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Wednesday, February 25, 2015

KCSC reviewing lesbian kiss scene in 'Sunam Girls High School Detectives' drama


Article: 'Sunam Girls High School Detectives' kiss scene, Korea Communications Standards Commission, "Discussing the agenda of the scene"

Source:
Star News via Nate

1. [+258, -51] It's not even a bed scene but a kiss scene. Is the KCSC trying to say that the scene is more erotic just because it's between two women? The scene being about homosexual love makes it more scandalous to them? Public broadcast has a drama with high schoolers in a bed scene and even having a kid, how about you look into that too.

2. [+154, -51] Well it's not public broadcast so I don't see a problem with it.

3. [+198, -151] No matter how crazy the world is, this is wrong

4. [+61, -477] Hul what the... they seriously put this in a drama? This isn't a 19+ rated movie, come out

5. [+26, -26] Why does this scene even have to be discussed? It's disgusting as it is

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Article: 'Sunam Girls' drama reps, "Lesbian kiss scene? Let's get variety acknowledged"

Source: Star News via Naver

1. [+2,325, -151] I like how the KCSC allows murder in plots but not kisses ㅋㅋㅋ

2. [+1,935, -267] The matter of homosexual love is a personal thing, none of us have any right to say it's wrong or right

3. [+1,814, -167] These scenes are in foreign dramas all the time. I guess there's some rejection going on since it's the first time in Korea.

4. [+1,231, -135] I was honestly super surprised

5. [+311, -52] I like how the KCSC will let cancer, affairs, pre-marital pregnancies, and divorce dramas all pass but gay love makes them shake in their boots ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

6. [+235, -49] Gay love between men is used all the time in dramas and movies but why are people overly sensitive about lesbian love? It's all because the higher ups are all conservative old farts.

7. [+165, -26] I don't see anything controversial about this

8. [+167, -34] There are lesbians in all female junior and high schools... My friend has a boyish, handsome look and she gets at least two crush confessions a month. This isn't a makjang drama at all but reflective of reality.

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264 comments:

  1. "2. [+1,935, -267] The matter of homosexual love is a personal thing, none of us have any right to say it's wrong or right"
    This

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  2. 6. [+235, -49] Gay love between men is used all the time in dramas and movies but why are people overly sensitive about lesbian love? It's all because the higher ups are all conservative old farts.

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  3. At least that kiss looks real.

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  4. oh that's new on kdrama!

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  5. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 25, 2015 at 11:47 PM

    As a bi-sexual, it makes me sad that I'll have to be in the closet when I go to Korea. Of course I can tell my close friends, but if I say it at the workplace I can be fired - or discriminated against. I'll have to hide it in public. I hope it'll get better. There's not a lot of support for the LGBT in Korea. It's very hush hush.

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  6. [+26, -26] Why does this scene even have to be discussed? It's disgusting as it is



    the only thing that's disgusting is this comment

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  7. wow they showed that on korean tv? im so surprised. it looks so much better than some of the kdrama kisses where the heroine is frozen

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  8. Any gif or video cut of this scene yet? Just wondering......

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  9. "conservative old farts" lolol

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  10. It's all because the higher ups are all conservative old farts.

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  11. Kisses between womans look sweet

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  12. it was a great scene - i just watched it. honestly, i hate the idea that two women are "more erotic" or some shit. it was a very nice, tear filled kiss. not a raunchy, in the back alley of a club, leg between thigh kiss. here's the clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrML-ZO9pOM

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  13. [+26, -26] Why does this scene even have to be discussed? It's disgusting as it is

    http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/02/Facepalm-Animated-GIF.gif

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  14. Looks like I gotta start watching this drama

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  15. YASSS AT LESBIANS
    IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME

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  16. Homophobic comments on here are pretty :/ but I'm glad that they have way more downvotes

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  17. Being a lesbian and seeing comments like in the first article makes me super sad. I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it still hurts to know that people reject you over something you can't change. I guess all I can do is hope that people open their minds and give us a chance.

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  18. I LIKE GAY GIRLS YAYYYYY

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  19. i think it's because it's from a paid tv channel, but still it is surprising that they have that in a kdrama

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  20. at some parts you could tell that the girl in the scarf was kissing the other girl's chin but other than that it seemed natural

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  21. Wow it is real. I'm happy that Korea's opening up to lesbians now~ I wonder if Hyeri did this 😂

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  22. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM

    A person's sexuality is their own business, if that is what they want.

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  23. Queens of Lesbians! South Korea bow down!

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  24. Much better comments than expected. I am glad.

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  25. [+165, -26] I don't see anything controversial about this



    got my lenses out and i still don't see anything wrong with it.

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  26. But its better than the suprised fish kiss lol

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  27. idk i just really hate this mentality of "it's different for everyone you can have your own opinion on it bla bla bla" like... we need to stop just being neutral about this it's not okay to be against it at all

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  28. "6. [+235, -49] Gay love between men is used all the time in dramas and movies but why are people overly sensitive about lesbian love? It's all because the higher ups are all conservative old farts."
    GOD BLESS YOU. People dont care abt a lot of things happening in the world but they're all "omg this is so wrong" about gay stuff. Ok, half of the world dont have food, is it ok too? Gays can't kiss or have a life but people without food or water or a house is ok?

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  29. I have a question , I'm afraid to offend you but still im curious so I'll ask . You feel love for both genders ? Because a friend told me bi are sexually attracted to a gender and love attracted to the other . Really just a question no intend to offend

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  30. ? it is right though? A person's sexuality is nobodies business but their own

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  31. wtf LOL people have their own opinions and beliefs and it's OKAY. What is not okay is to dictate how others should live and hurt them for it.

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  32. Yes it's personal. But nobody has the right to say that its wronf

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  33. Seems like naver netz are more open minded than nate netz.

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  34. "Public broadcast has a drama with high schoolers in a bed scene and even having a kid, how about you look into that too."



    Are they talking about that one drama with Joon because I've seen gifs of it all over tumblr and I seriously thought it was some kind of soft porn movie.

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  35. this is not just a matter of opinion lmao literally you're allowing people to have the opinion that other people are wrong or disgusting like how is that ok at all...

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  36. What about the gay love scenes of men in Frozen Flower?

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  37. The difference between nate comments and naver comments smh

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  38. wasn't that a movie

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  39. Again, in a free world people are allowed to think and feel however they want, and you or nobody else can change that, however, what is not okay is hurting someone because you don't approve of their lifestyle/personal choices.

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  40. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 25, 2015 at 11:56 PM

    Well I mean people have their own opinions, and a lot of people will hold on strongly to their opinions. However feeling a certain way is different from expressing it. For example, my mom doesn't like my bi-sexuality. However I have accepted that it's just her personal opinion. However, I think it's offensive for her to tell me that she doesn't like it audibly.


    If you don't like it, fine, because those kind of opinions are hardly changed - no matter how hard you try (trust me I have tried). So long as people keep those negative thoughts in their heads and respect others, it'll be more peaceful.

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  41. We all read that comment. But thanks for repeating.

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  42. I know i.m saying that they did not make a big deal out of that.

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  43. Hey kim your ass look weird at the Brit awards what happens did you not put the recommended amount of fat in it or did you exceed it anyway please be safe it looks like it was about to fall said good night to north west for me

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  44. but the thing is that people's thoughts and opinions effect their actions literally everyone knows that... what you just told me is "my right to an opinion is more important than your safety, to you being taken seriously, to you being treated the same as others" and that's fucked up as hell. I'm done

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  45. i did a quick google search and it is apparently a drama.

    "It airs on SBS on Mondays and Tuesdays at 21:55 for 32 episodes beginning February 23, 2015." (wikipedia. i know bad source lol)

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  46. I have been watching this drama since the first episode because I found it interesting and this is not the first time they have shown things that are regularly not spoken about. For example, in two episodes they dealt with teenage pregnancy, abortion and suicide. In another it was about bullying. This show has been dealing with controversial things since the first episode and truly that's why I like watching it. The show doesn't paint this perfect world instead it shows that things like pregnancy, bullying, and now being homosexual exist.

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  47. better than 90% of the kisses in kdramas tbh

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  48. I am not judging anything it just homosexual is a taboo thing in some country or still not normal in some people....

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  49. reminds me of how i watched every episode of white christmas be 19+ because people were getting murdered and beat up but no making out. it's lame that violence is more acceptable than sex/love

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  50. This reminded me of my friend.. He's gay, and his dad is a pastor but doesn't know about his kid's gayness yet lol But ANYWAY, the dad offered his son's 'best friend' to live in their house because he was having problems at home.. Though little does he know that he invited in his son's boyfriend 😁
    They get to do cute shit all the time and I'm honestly so jelly 😣

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  51. Can anyone watching this drama can tell me about the relationship about the two characters? Just curious thanks :)

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  52. You blew what I said right out of proportion I just can't with you lmao. I don't know why it's so hard for you to comprehend a simple concept.

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  53. the one where Joon is doing that lady? I think that was from a movie? Unless Joon has another sex scene :D

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  54. ?? that's exactly what the comment says

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  55. "none of use has the right to say it's wrong OR right"

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  56. Maybe I should watch this drama
    It's rare to see Korean production dare to make TV shows like this

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  57. think theyre talking bout thus:
    http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.ca/2015/02/tv-spoilers-heard-it-through-grapevine.html

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  58. I think they are mistaking the gifs from Rough play(movie) to the drama Heard it through grapevine

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  59. I feel the same way but I'm in the closet because my parents are biphobic/homophobic and my extended family are deeply religious.

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  60. I'm honestly pleasantly surprised at all of the comments that are supportive.

    Good on ya, Knetz. Doesn't happen often, but good on ya.

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  61. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:01 AM

    Yes. I lean more towards men (I'm female), however I am attracted to females and wouldn't mind being with one. I have loved both men and girls in my past, and I equally cherish the memories I had with them. The way I felt for the opposite gender was no different than how I felt for the same gender. The same innocent and butterfly inducing feeling.


    And no, you didn't offend me. I know it's scary to ask people about their sexuality because a lot of people are easily offended. Don't worry about it lol.

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  62. 5. [+26, -26] Why does this scene even have to be discussed? It's disgusting as it is

    Who are we to judge? I respect everyone's opinion about homosexuality but describing it as 'disgusting' is a little too overboard.

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  63. Yes for exposure!! It's time to educate~~

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  64. from this people are assuming that you don't think it's ok to say it's right lmao. I agree with you -- I saw a good quote recently that said "your opinion has a death count" or something like that.

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  65. I've followed this show from the beginning - I like it and they address lots of tough social issues that you don't see talked about much in sk.

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  66. That should get million upvotes

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  67. i get where you're coming from but the thing is that people cannot just have thoughts/opinions and not have them influence their actions. Also by not being supportive of the oppressed in any situation you're taking the side of the oppressor which isn't ok at all. Being neutral and letting people have their own opinions which are oppressive are not going to get us anywhere at all.

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  68. lmao i love this drama, so funny and interesting. also the characters are quirky. Way better than high school dramas in public broadcast

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  69. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    Yes! My family are Jehovah's Witnesses, and they often make offensive jokes about homosexuals. They're very religious and have no qualms with being physically uncomfortable around homosexual's. My dad isn't religious but he's very disgusted by homosexual's and isn't afraid to voice his opinion about them. Only my mom, cousin, and sister know my sexuality. I'm not going to tell anyone else in my family because I already know they're homophobic. It would be just shooting myself in the foot if I did so.

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  70. "6. [+235, -49] Gay love between men is used all the time in dramas and movies but why are people overly sensitive about lesbian love? It's all because the higher ups are all conservative old farts."

    Ha! Well as far as I know actual gay men aren't abundant in Korean dramas, though queerbaiting certainly is. (Not that this is exclusive to Kdramas, it happens all the time on American shows too for example.) But otherwise the point here stands. Love between girls is almost always strictly platonic, whIle the lines can be blurred more with boys without there being a huge outrage...like we see here. I'm glad a lot of the comments are positive though, I always expect the worst when it comes to people commenting on LGBTQ issues.

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  71. i dont know how it goes for your friend but as a bisexual i can assure you that im sexually attracted to both genders and have fallen in love with both a man and a woman. though i lean more towards men (im a girl) and there are people who lean more towards their same gender.

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  72. Huh. I read it differently.

    I read it as saying that they have no right to say whether it is wrong. It didn't read as neutral to me. Or at least, not a problematic neutral, anyway. "Live and let live," etc.

    It's better than the kind of neutral I'm used to, anyway.

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  73. and hopefully one day same sex couples can have those sexy, dirty kiss scenes everywhere just like all the prominent straight couples in dramas and movies do too. the double standard is so ridiculous ):

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  74. Edit: Downright wrong.

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  75. Yes...it's SBS drama "Heard It Through The Grapevine"

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  76. i aren't Indian society are sensitive about this topic ?

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  77. you are assuming that people's thoughts and opinions will effect their actions negatively when that's not always the case. I mean you could have read through the entire comment and actually tried to comprehend it.

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  78. they're better than we might have expected, considering I recently saw a survey referenced saying only 25 percent of koreans support homosexuality and the like. I won't make excuses, but I do think things are shifting quickly with the generations at the very least! the assholes will die out and become laughingstocks.

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  79. people always want to argue that you can respect someone while having bigoted thoughts about you. the balance of power in this world rests on that fake nastyniceness, but okay. kumbaya or w/e

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  80. Yaaaassss! Korean Marimite!

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  81. the "none of us have any right to say it's wrong or right" really rubs me the wrong because like... this isn't really something to have an opinion on anyways... why does anyone think it's ok to just be okay with people having opinions that are against people who are just trying to live their lives they way they are like... how could people living life the way they are be anything but right like i just don't understand that lol

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  82. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:07 AM

    But the thing is we can't change their opinions. They will always hold onto those opinions and we can't do anything about that. The only thing we can do is not give them the power to act on these feelings. I'm not saying that I condone how they feel, however there are just some people that refuse to change their minds for the better.


    We can't make them be quiet because that would violate freedom of speech. The best thing we can do is remove their power to act on those negative thoughts.

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  83. There's nothing wrong with two girls kissing. If being a lesbian is wrong, then who said being heterosexual is right?

    https://moanti.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/image.jpg

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  84. lol like this one

    http://38.media.tumblr.com/d38164472af76b36608f2e4f5fd264bd/tumblr_mvk9wnGp1q1r3z3j0o1_400.gif

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  85. I had some homo experiences but i still dont know if i'm bi or not. i don't feel attracted about women that easy tbh. But i'll never tell my parents, only my closest friends know about it.

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  86. This isn't a makjang drama at all but reflective of reality.

    ^^^^
    This last part.

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  87. Obviously, we need to control everyone's opinions for everyone's safety. We should all just agree with your right?


    What an asinine comment.

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  88. I'm glad they put this scene. Sure they are some homophobic comments but overall people are just like "this isn't a big deal"

    Plus the kiss was good! Better than that surprise wide eyed brush of lips they always pass of as a kiss on k dramas yasss sk

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  89. jtbc is the besttt

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  90. Obviously there's going to be people who won't change their opinions but i'm saying those opinions shouldn't be tolerated. Like we shouldn't just be okay with people having those kind of opinions.


    In no circumstance is someone's freedom of speech more important than the safety or security of others. When people say they are against homosexuality, i feel a lot of things and none of them are safe or secure.

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  91. definitely not true. bisexual is the common term for attracted to ones own gender and other genders, but biromantic is the term that includes the aspect of falling in love with both. some people are asexual, with little to no interest in sex, but biromantic, etc. more often than not i would say sexual attraction and romantic love line up, so people usually just mention their sexuality (straight, bi, gay) to cover everything. I hope that helps!

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  92. I'm glad to see plenty of upvotes on the comments supporting gay/lesbian love. Things are definitely changing in the world wrt tolerance and acceptance, it may be slow, but the generation shift is apparent.

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  93. I haven't been following censorship in SK for 10 years so I wouldn't know, sorry.

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  94. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:09 AM

    Yeah, this looks like progress.

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  95. That was my first kdrama,after years of novelas i was like wtf is this!!!

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  96. The thing that hurts me the most is that in a few years from I'll have to cut my family ties especially with my mom who I'm closer to than my dad and even though she says she's not religious, she makes horrible comments about gays and says homosexuality is not part of nature (which isn't true because in humans and plenty of other species there has been proof that homosexuality does exist and there's nothing wrong with that). Personally, I don't care what my extended family thinks but I know my mom would feel ashamed (more like disgraced smh) if they found about me being bisexual (granted she doesn't know either yet).

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  97. LOL...the cable channel said, "We got this"

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  98. its a movie therefore it was screened first and was rated before showing it in cinemas. but the show above is viewed in public.

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  99. The article not discussing homosexuality right or wrong, but discussing the scene.
    Even in glee, when the character kiss it's usually back of the head scene, so you can't see the lips.
    So parents can watch it, and if there are 6 year old kids they don't understand "kissing with camera shooting back of the head".
    More like korea likes to shoot kissing scene like japanese porn, look at that close up, trying to pry ratings i see.

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  100. #6 of the Naver article is everything.

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  101. Someone took some delulu pills lmao. "Control how others think/feel"? What in the hell.

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  102. I'm bisexual but I'm more romantically inclined to women (I'm female too) but I haven't had any relationships with women yet because I'm still sort of in the closet and it sucks.

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  103. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:12 AM

    Except punishing those with negative opinions would be a violation of their fundamental freedom's. As long as they aren't acting on their negative opinions, there isn't much to be done about them.


    There are assholes everywhere and that's not going to change. It has always been that way and will continue to be that way. If they act violently on those negative opinions, they can be punished by law.


    However if they only feel a certain way, it is their right to do so. That's just how it is. We all have the right to think about things we want, so long as we don't act on them if they're bad.

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  104. It is literally ILLEGAL to be gay in India.

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  105. lmao y'all are so ugly tbh i'm done fighting with straights y'all are all so fucking ugly

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  106. "who said being a heterosexual is right?"


    Don't even try that.

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  107. "why does anyone think it's ok to just be okay with people having opinions that are against people who are just trying to live their lives"


    Because as humans we have feelings and thoughts that we sometimes cannot control and as humans we learn to accept them and either move on with our lives or do something negative about it. You assume that because we feel negative about something that it will show in our actions, but that is not always the case.

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  108. "Public broadcast has a drama with high schoolers in a bed scene and even having a kid, how about you look into that too."

    is he/she referring to "HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE"???
    i'm loving this drama btw, it's so funny & realistic, even the dialogues & the acting is daebak

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  109. Same here. My older sister outed me to my super religious conservative aunt, and she said she would "get me help". My dad got so pissed off at her for saying that.

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  110. please. there's always an exception to the rule.

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  111. I haven't seen this episode yet, but that's why someone said this episode wasn't what they expected. Tbh If you watch this show, every case they take on is either taboo or very sensitive, better to acknowledge it then act as if it doesn't exist.
    Now I know what the current case was about. So excited to watch episode 11.

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  112. There's nothing wrong in people's preferences as long as it didn't affect other people.

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  113. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:14 AM

    Well, I think homosexual's and executed in India. Not sure if it's a common practice, though. Don't shoot me, SJW's. I'm not entirely sure here. Would google but my ramen is getting cold.

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  114. Yeah they are referring to that drama.

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  115. i really don't care about protecting the rights of ignorant oppressors when LGBTQ peoples' rights are infringed upon daily but ok... you do you sis i guess... Like gay, lesbian, trans, POC are literally out here getting murdered but if you wanna keep worrying about preserving the right to ignorance then go ahead =)

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  116. Preserving the right to freedom of thoughts.


    Are you okay??

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  117. Okay well have you ever though that maybe, just maybe, when you say you're against their opinion, they feel unsafe and insecure???
    LOL seriously. Now you just sound like you're forcing homosexuality onto others.
    Just accept that some people are comfortable with it and others aren't.

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  118. "i'm done fighting with straights"


    LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO

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  119. At least your dad tried to defend you, my mom would've thrown me under the bus if she knew because she would say it's for my own good. Not to be rude, but does your older sister dislike you or something?

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  120. For example is this. Love in the same gender.

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  121. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:17 AM

    The saddest thing family can do is choose their religion and beliefs over you. I have long accepted that I will never be accepted for who I am by my family. If I were baptized, I would be shunned by my whole family if they were to discover my true sexuality.


    I'm sorry for what you go through. Just remember that family isn't restrained to only those who share your blood. It hurts a lot. I know it all too well. Homosexuality used to be so acceptable, too. I guess humanity started walking backwards on that one.

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  122. Sad thing is it didn't used to be, for like two seconds between 2009 and 2013. :( Then the fucking colonial era code criminalising homosexuality got reinstated by the Indian Supreme Court ugh.

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  123. no im askin what would be an example of it affecting others?

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  124. im so happy that they actually even included it in the plotline of the drama to begin with and that they were willing to deal with the consequences of potential backlash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love production teams when they take these kinds of risks in korean media !!!!!!!!!!!!! its so important. honestly, i was really happy when that character in it's okay, that's love turned out to be a trans woman. and honestly if they ban this scene its going to be such a big hypocrite move if you look at all of their queerbaiting dramas, and idol concepts. I LOVE PROGRESS SO MUCH!

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  125. yeah this is a huge fucking joke to you this is just a fun argument haha love a little debate! no. honestly fuck you. fuck you. fuck you. fuck you. i fucking hate you. this is not a fucking joke to me this is my fucking LIFE and you're sitting here making a joke about it and saying how people should have the freedom to feel that my life is wrong. You're a fucking piece of shit. I hope you die alone. Seriously. Fuck you.

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  126. I've seen gay people say that they can't understand straight people and think it's disgusting but you don't see people saying shit, do you???

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  127. LOL you're no different from homophobes. Case closed.

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  128. I have to watch this drama now.

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  129. JTBC is cable right? Isn't that exempt from censorship? Guess not.

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  130. I'm not saying that it affect others. I'm talking about other people do not this

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  131. I'm not making a joke out of it. I've been completely civil this whole time until you started lashing out, swearing, and quite frankly, talking stupid.


    Go rant on Tumblr or something. Your argument is ridiculous.

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  132. This isn't a makjang drama at all but reflective of reality.



    ^ Well said. This goes for every episode of this drama. I honestly look forward to watching it every week.

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  133. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:22 AM

    So I say all that, you can't find a comeback, so you're personally attacking me? I'm not preserving their ignorance, I'm preserving their freedom of rights. And I'm a part of the LGBTQ, so I don't understand how I'm against them.

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  134. Whoa, no one's been executed by the Indian state for homosexuality. Things are bad, but they aren't that bad. It's been criminalised, which means that people can be prosecuted (and face jail time/fines) for it.


    Surprisingly though, transgender rights have progressed (India has legally acknowledged a third gender since '94), especially in the state of Tamil Nadu.

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  135. Yeah, she does dislike me. Basically what happened that day was that my sister and my aunt and I were sitting in the kitchen and my aunt was nitpicking my friends since we were on Facebook, and with one of my particular friends, my aunt said, "Well it's bad enough that she's bi." and me being bi as well, I went off on my aunt and since she kept giving me BS retorts to what I was saying (like 'why is being bisexual a bad thing), I just decided to walk away. My aunt's like, "Is she bi?" and my sister's like, "yeah she is." You weren't being rude by asking, and I wish your parents (or is it just your mom?) would be supportive of you. Honestly, I was terrified to come out to my dad and I was really surprised at how open-minded and supportive he was.

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  136. i hate those kind of comments the most oh my god. as if we were crazy just because we like people of our same gender or both... my family is pretty okay with it i guess (i havent told them yet but ive got a gay friend and they treat him really well + my cousin is a lesbian and they dont seem disgusted by it) but sometimes my aunt would say things like "its a waste that such a handsome man is gay" and im like ???? its his choice wtf?? why???? so i guess thats why i havent come out yet to them and it kinda sucks

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  137. I....ok. I was just asking for an example of a preference that actually affected other people...

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  138. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:24 AM

    Just looking at that gif pisses me off.

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  139. it's a cinematographer's or director's decision to angle a shot. they probably deliberately chose that angle to illicit a strong reaction from people while also making a statement. i don't know what this drama is about but i'm just interpreting it as legitimacy of queer romance and relationships? as for six year old viewers, there are age ratings on dramas for a reason. if a child isn't meant to watch to begin with, kiss or not, it's up to the parents to ensure that they abide by those broadcast suggestions. and as for glee, you really have to factor in that this isn't an american drama???? like this is seriously so important. the fact that they didn't censor a blatantly non-hetero scene like this may be one of the first depictions of lgbtqa+ characters engaging in NORMAL ROMANTIC BEHAVIOUR without being dehumanized???? in america there are literally gay couples on nearly every major channel and people film that clearly as well. it's not fair to equate humane depictions of queer people to pornography; the only reason you could make that comparison is because of heteronormativity. please re-evaluate your commentary.

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  140. Lol. U sure about glee???
    http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120311202415/glee/de/images/5/5b/Brittany-santana-kiss-1-.png

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  141. yes me too, i thought at first its just drama about girls playing as detective but surprisingly they included much social issues.

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  142. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:25 AM

    Yes, but at least it's nice to see a bit of progress. It was absolutely devastating to read Korean opinions on homosexuality from 2006 to 2009. But it has progressed a lot. I'm happy. But I am, of course, still hurt from the negative comments. I always remember the negative comments more than the positive ones.

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  143. Plus, they kiss better than most of the straight pairings in dramas.

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  144. This is progress! Yay !

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  145. Love that all of the responses are pretty supportive. It shouldn't be an issue at all.

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  146. Applauding the positive comments so hard right now. The negative ones were expected so it's best being pleasantly surprised with those Knetz who are open minded and not so discriminative.

    7. [+165, -26] I don't see anything controversial about this

    MARRY ME YOU WONDERFUL NETZIEN YOU!

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  147. Well just like everywhere else the biggest hold outs are the Christians. They threw a fit when the mayor of Seoul expressed support for gay marriage a couple of months ago. Same problem in the US.

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  148. I mean, I still talk with my dad but I live only with my mom so I'm much closer to her and only care about her opinions. My dad is homophobic too but since we're not close, I honestly don't care whether he supports me or not.

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  149. yes but they also included this issues on past episode.

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  150. So now the censorship board is stepping in. I'd be willing to bet some people immediately lobbied them to intervene.

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  151. But I thought cable was allowed to break more rules. Evidently not.

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  152. yes let's fight for people's right to think stuff yaasss and then they'll use those thoughts for actual personal choices like voting and generally avoiding all romantic conversations or not going to a certain part of town yasss these harmless thoughts! slay!

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  153. Maybe you can't control your actions but other people certainly can. Not everyone agrees with the shit that you do and you can't force anyone to. Get over it.

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  154. You can be bisexual and still be more attracted to one gender more than the other. Don't let people fool you into thinking bisexuality is 50/50. Then again you could be pansexual (which means you're attracted to people regardless of their gender and don't limit yourself to be attracted to only two genders) or maybe you're just queer. At the the end of the day you decide what sexual orientation you identify as (or you could chose to identify as nothing at all, it's up to you after all).

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  155. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:33 AM

    What about the Islamic state? Does that not count? I mean, they have executed people for being homosexual. Do they not count? However I do agree with you.

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  156. There are plus points, though the whole loveline with one character's brother is complete bullshit lol, isnt he supposed to be a professor or something, I wonder what a man in his 20s doing chasing after a 16 years old girl. And I just find the whole detective play things really unrealistic.

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  157. See, I read it as them not saying "we can't say it's right," just that deciding that it's wrong isn't their decision, either.

    It's basically saying there is no 'correct' way. It just... is.

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  158. a lot of colonial era laws really messed up India and the sad thing is that those western countries have moved passed those old laws, but India hasn't. At least that's what my aunt says lol.

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  159. it's okay if girls.. haha
    felt horny

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  160. India isn't an Islamic state though?

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  161. 8. [+167, -34] There are lesbians in all female junior and high schools... My friend has a boyish, handsome look and she gets at least two crush confessions a month. This isn't a makjang drama at all but reflective of reality.

    hehehe... at least now I know this is also common in all girls schools in SK ... I went to an all girls school too. I am now reminded of a friend who acts tomboyish (but isn't lesbian) so a girl once confessed to have a crush on her and asked if she was interested to date. These days I'd kid her about that incident whenever she acts too tomboyish and remark something along the lines of "no wonder that girl thought you were a butch".

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  162. I'm bi and I think it's okay to be "against it" personally, as long as you don't oppose someone's rights and you don't go protesting against people's love.

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  163. I wouldn't say it's that surprising? Trans women (known as hijras) have long been a part of the subcontinent's culture. They still have some stigma against them, but those are not a direct translation of Western stigma.

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  164. India...is not an Islamic state. It's a secular country, with it's religious population spread over Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Jains and Buddhists.

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  165. [+61, -477] Hul what the... they seriously put this in a drama? This isn't a 19+ rated movie, come out



    I am so glad to see the negative votes on this comment

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  166. Way to go Sunam Girls! Also glad to see so many supportive comments.

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  167. Nope, the majority of India are Hindus but the second biggest religion in the country is islam.

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  168. I wouldn't say it's not a translation of western stigma, because when the law criminalizing homosexuality went back into place, there was a sharp increase in violence against the transgender community of India.

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  169. The amount of times I finally find a Kdrama I can roll with the then comes the girl-is-surprised-and-wide-eyed-bad-acting-kiss. Bleugh. Same shot every time. Sigh. Back to Homeland to ship Quinn and Carrie...

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  170. yes I know that... I'm Indian... In any case, Islamic State means primary basis of government is sharia law. That's not the case in India so it's not an Islamic State.

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  171. you cant force people to believe in something just because you do. if the topic was everyone should believe in religion you would go crazy. people can think what they want.

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  172. socially? depends on who you hang with. i'm from a big city and an educated part of society; nobody i've ever known personally has a problem with homosexuality (apart from the one homophobic stage that all straight teenage boys seem to go through) but it is a lot harder to be gay in other parts of the country. unfortunately, a couple years ago the government criminalised homosexuality, but there have been annual pride marches in several cities and as far as i know people haven't been arrested for it. overall it doesn't come off as a particularly homophobic environment (you probably wouldn't be fired from your job in delhi/mumbai for being gay) but it's definitely not an accepting one just yet

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  173. Oh damn, I thought your comment said isn't india an islamic state though. Sorry, I need to get some sleep...

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  174. lmao it's okay, I need to sleep too, but first I need to stop procrastinating and finish studying!

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  175. you are honestly one of the most annoying people on this site.

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  176. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:51 AM

    I've seen a few people like that on Youtube and a lot of people called them out for it. Being heterophobic isn't as known as being homophobic. I hope soon that'll change. I get really pissed when I see gay youtubers talk negatively about heterosexual's. Makes me think, "You of all people should know that they can't choose to be that way." I mean, biologically it's correct to be straight. So it's kind of silly for people to be against something that is literally our biological nature.

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  177. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 26, 2015 at 12:54 AM

    Yes. I wish religion didn't have such power. I firmly believe people have the right to believe what they want, but the power religion has is ridiculous. If you want to dislike homosexual's, fine, but to voice out your hatred and do stuff against them is definitely not what their god would want.

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  178. not particularly true? it really depends on the type of crowd you're hanging with because my cousin is a full-blown lesbian that lives in daegu and most of her friends and coworkers are completely accepting of it. she told me that you have to be more wary when you're in a public area or around the older generation, but i think that's the case in a lot of countries (and koreans aren't generally fond of PDA anyways). i don't know if you only get your information from websites and dramas, but korea is so much more progressed than you all think regarding lgbt issues.

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  179. "Gay love between men is used all the time in dramas and movies but why are people overly sensitive about lesbian love? It's all because the higher ups are all conservative old farts."



    I'm glad that someone acknowledges the double-standard here. Reminds me of all the fans who enjoy watching male idols make out on stage but think lesbians are disgusting.

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  180. http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzg560NwrP1r317bvo1_500.gif

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  181. The double standards. Fucking double standards. Jusung and Park Seojun can kiss on publuc broadcast, bit girls can't even on cable?

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  182. I knew that this will be very controversial, i'm actually surprised there is a lesbian kiss scene in korean drama.
    anyway, i really loved this drama so far cuz the story and the acting from the cast is really good including hyeri. And that kiss scene is better than a usual man and woman lead in other dramas.

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  183. Oh, I'm well aware of hijiras and their long-established role Hindu culture (Mohini, Ayyapan, etc), but I'm still pleasantly surprised at the extent to which they've been legitimated by Tamil law and the rights they have access to. It's an example even for Western societies to aspire to.

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