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Wednesday, January 30, 2013

Is YG about to end SM's decade long reign on the music industry?


Article: The powers of the industry reshuffled... Lee Soo Man and Yang Hyun Suk

Source: Korea Economy via Naver

Editorial that talks about how Lee Soo Man/SM has ruled the music industry for the past 10 years as the undisputed #1 but with Psy hitting daebak last year, YG's stocks rose high enough to catapult Yang Hyun Suk into the #1.

The editorial ends with a look at the different "training systems" between the two companies, pointing out that YG tries to emphasize the styles that their artists already have while SM focuses on a uniform style and look for each of their artists.

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1. [+248, -6] Park Jin Young would dislike this article

2. [+211, -23] I just don't find myself anticipating anything about SM's music anymore...

3. [+177, -22] SM is more like a gathering of people who just want to be a celebrity because they have a bit of talent in dancing or because they're hot. JYP is like a gathering of average kids that Park Jin Young helps find something special to put out while YG set themselves from the start as a hip hop company so anyone who applies to join are already interested in that field. What puts YG ahead is that their producers only help what their artists want to do as well as the fact that the company doesn't emphasize the importance of physical beauty. There's a difference between training kids that already know what they want vs training kids that just want to be a celebrity, whether that be a singer or an actor.

4. [+131, -11] YG's got more flair. SM artists are handsome and pretty but they're like dolls you can only look at from a glass window.

5. [+140, -21] SM reminds me of a concentration camp. Once you're trapped, it's difficult to leave and even if you manage to leave, it's never on good terms. I always end up feeling bad for their artists.

6. [+99, -3] I agree that SM is at a standstill but I think JYP is more in danger of losing everything at this point...

7. [+99, -10] Either way, I think SM would still make the most cash because they only put together pretty groups which are the best at attracting strong fandoms. Although this continues to separate them from the public, they're still creating a market from within their own fandom.

8. [+89, -9] JYP always comes out with the best artists but they never know how to maintain any of it. Park Jin Young's a great producer but his business skills are very poor. 2PM, Wonder Girls, miss A, god, Rain... They all debuted at the top and look at them now. JYP's the best at producing, SM's the best at planning, and YG's the best at management.

9. [+106, -29] SM has been in the lead for the past 7~8 years but they're no longer where they think they are position wise.

10. [+74, -10] SM needs to put out music that's actually worth calling music. Their faces can't sell these songs forever.

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357 comments:

  1. 3. [+177, -22] SM is more like a gathering of people who just want to be a celebrity because they have a bit of talent in dancing or because they're hot. JYP is like a gathering of average kids that Park Jin Young helps find something special to put out while YG set themselves from the start as a hip hop company so anyone who applies to join are already interested in that field. What puts YG ahead is that their producers only help what their artists want to do as well as the fact that the company doesn't emphasize the importance of physical beauty. There's a difference between training kids that already know what they want vs training kids that just want to be a celebrity, whether that be a singer or an actor.



    ^ Whoever wrote that makes a pretty good point.


    LOL @ the comment about concentration camps. :x

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  2. each company is using what it works for them and makes them money, if there was something wrong with what they did they would habe already change it to produce more money
    Like JYP they need to get their game on NOW!

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  3. JYP's actual position is so sad. I wholeheartedly agree with #8.

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  4. "YG's the best at management" -- huh?

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  5. Idts. Not yet.


    Psy hit it big but it would be nothing short of a miracle if he managed to gain success even remotely similar to Gangnam Style. The joke is old and people won't look twice at it now.


    As long as Big Bang is YG's only moneymaker I don't think YG will surpass SM. YG needs at least another act that brings in a lot of money (excluding 2NE1).

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  6. by the way it depends on style, people might think SM only puts pretty people and thats it, personally, I like SM cause of their music style, people like YG cause of their style too

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  7. lord this post is going to be a mess. I'll come back in an hour.

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  8. like look at 2ne1 in 2012 to say that. They were terribly mismanaged last year


    More of like YG has the best luck, Psy blowing up internationally out of nowhere with Gangnam Style.

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  9. Oh shit this is gonna be one of those articles, I'll come back later

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  10. exactly what i'm going to say

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  11. JYP and YG are quite similar in the sense that they can create top stars but can't maintain them. For YG, Big Bang is the only exception. I'd say SM is the best simply because they focus on fandoms who are more loyal in the long run.

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  12. sme stock fell 40% a few days ago xD
    even when Im not YG stan..I hope so...sme is so mediocre & currently their artists are overrated & mediocre too

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  13. anyways from a music perspective, I def enjoy yg's music more. I don't think I've ever liked a SM single. Everything they put out sounds so.. dated.


    however having better music is not enough to put them ahead of sm. Sm never got to where they are because of their music. They're really good at attracting fans. I have no idea how lol but their fans are like a cult. They stan everything sm related. I just don't see them falling from their position yet.

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  14. 10. [+74, -10] SM needs to put out music that's actually worth calling music. Their faces can't sell these songs forever. --- I agree on this one. SM is full of pretty faces almost like a doll but their music. Me myself, like SOME of their songs, not all. I think they are so focus on the faces of their artist and not really on the music. Why? For example, SUJU, listen to the songs they release every year, it sounds all the same. SNSD too. Sound all the same and act all the same (aegyo). That's makes their different from YG. YG is focus on both. Music is the top priority while the images are their back-up for their success.

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  15. ALL YG idols are talented, look at Big Bang TOP for example. Perfect rapper, singer, dancer and actor.
    YG loves their idols like they were his own children.

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  16. SM has great managment, they know how to handle their company. They had the most popular groups from S.E.S, H.O.T to DBSK, Super Junior and SNSD who are one of top groups.

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  17. But YG has risen to this point mainly because of PSY's success and because Gnagnam Style went viral, it's not something that you could have predicted and in that context I find that SM has more staying power purely because there is a deliberation with how they do things.

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  18. I wonder how many trolls will swarm to this article? I'll find out once I get back from dinner. I bet there will be close to 200 comments by the end of the night.

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  19. 8. [+89, -9] JYP always comes out with the best artists but they never know how to maintain any of it. Park Jin Young's a great producer but his business skills are very poor. 2PM, Wonder Girls, miss A, god, Rain... They all debuted at the top and look at them now. JYP's the best at producing, SM's the best at planning, and YG's the best at management.



    can't help but agree, the WG were my first kpop addiction, loved 2 pm, loving miss a but at the end I end up losing interest since the song got too similar and didn't deliver. I hope he wakes up and finally accepts to work with other music writers, composers..

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  20. In general, the three big companies are, in one way or another, in some sort of a slump. Kinda like the beginning of the fall I guess I don't know. There might be chances 2013 will see big changes, good or bad. These are just my opinions though.

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  21. SM has releid on Yoo Young Jin since the beginning of time, it seems. After a while of having one main producer you're bound to fall off musically. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

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  22. "JYP always comes out with the best artists but they never know how to
    maintain any of it. Park Jin Young's a great producer but his business
    skills are very poor. 2PM, Wonder Girls, miss A, god, Rain... They all
    debuted at the top and look at them now. JYP's the best at producing,
    SM's the best at planning, and YG's the best at management."

    Could someone please like put that into their heads? Granted JYPE has always been the weaker one of the 3, they've done well enough to stay within the 3, .but I'll be honest, he/his ceo or whoever else is involved with their decision making, has harmed them in more ways then good, though sending 2pm to japan actually seems worth it considering how well they are growing.


    I think though that so far this year, JYPE/AQE have been managing these a bit better already...they really helped sony with 2pm's arena tour, and MissA's members other than suzy are getting actual individual gigs. Let's hope they can come up with some good music this year to bring them back to a more stable place

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  23. yep the general public is fickle but fandoms are almost always in it for the long run

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  24. SM idols (no, sorry I can't call them artists) seem dead to me...Their creativity (if they have one) and freedom of speech is constantly choked to death. They are marketed as the perfect girlfriend/boyfriend. Funny, hot, cute, etc.

    YG seriously has - hands down- the best management and freshest artists. Lee Hi! PSY! BIGBANG! 2NE1! EPIK HIGH!! [...] I have nothing to say about them but I have a bad feeling about their new group.

    JYP. You can't deny it, Suzy is making it all. JJ project didn't do as expected so JYP needs to pray for a miracle.

    I'm honestly starting to love STARSHIP as a whole and Woolim. Tasty didn't do too bad (even if I don't personally stan them...).



    Just my two cents.

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  25. The top 3 groups are:
    1. Super Junior (from SM)
    2. TVXQ (from SM)
    3. JYJ (formerly from SM)

    I hate SM, but you can't deny they are on the TOP. Yg is not even close. u_u"

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  26. I'll have the popcorn ready for you.

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  27. hahaha everyone loves YG, SM stans have shitty taste.

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  28. Johnny why are you here?

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  29. i don't know much but YG's management skills, but even as a JYPN fan, i know they are terrible

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  30. what about Dara then lol

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  31. Not that YG's limited sound is any better. They'll experience the same flal in a decade if they don't step away from the same electro bs.

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  32. Though You're a troll, anyone would be crazy to deny how successful Big Bang has become over the years, If they are not the top selling group, the are definitely within the top 3

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  33. SM is good at marketing. They know what attracts the fans, and not just any other normal person fan who may or may not buy their albums with each new release. Instead they know how to market their idols so that they attract the right kind of fans they want - fans who'll buy every single release regardless of whether or not the album was good musically. They also know how to do branding, they brand themselves so well as a company, many fans of one group in SMTown is also a fan of at least another group in SMTown.
    Essentially they're like a cult, but this cult-like fandom culture is what is bringing in the money for SM. Never mind that their music is in a slump (*coughIGABcough*), their music-looks-image package sells and will continue to sell for at least another decade.

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  34. it depends on the person I guess, cause i see SM artist very much alive

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  35. ugghhhh What is this ALLKPOP TROLL doing here??

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  36. You think Big Bang sells more than JYJ? LOL, try harder...

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  37. Let me sum it up.

    SM = people finally start to wonder why the hell it exists.

    YG= you go boy, everyone loves you except SM stans

    JYP= Suzy

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  38. even if jyj does sell more, big bang is still within the top 5, no denying that

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  39. " YG's the best at management." Where is 2EN1

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  40. please b*tch ... PSY is way more successful than Big Bang will ever be.

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  41. SM fan here and i also like YG, u make no sense

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  42. Troll Troll Troll

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  43. are you spamming your comment's votes (+) even here?

    PATHETIC.

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  44. sm fans hate yg, yg fans hate sm...and jyp fans....hate themselves?

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  45. BOA, she would do a great job creating new idol :))

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  46. Until he calls said children ugly.

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  47. why dont we talk about it 1/2 singles after gagnam style

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  48. top 3 most delusional fandoms are:
    1. Super Junior
    2. TVXQ
    3. JYJ

    all the male groups in SM are basically irrelevant in Korea.

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  49. sme would be good if they would be able to keep their own artists ..they had the best artists but they lost H.O.T, S.E.S,Fly to sky, the grace, shinhwa and JYJ.
    you still dont know the destiny of snsd and suju xD
    at the end..sme sucks

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  50. "JYP. You can't deny it, Suzy is making it all. JJ project didn't do as expected so JYP needs to pray for a miracle."


    Suzy does make a good amount for jyp, but 2pm is still their biggest money maker with their cfs, tours and japanese activities. They made more in japan this year than suzy herself, but of course jype has to split the earnings with sony, so they didnt get to see all of that

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  51. TOP ..perfect singer + dancer ... in what parallel universe ?


    His acting and rapping skills are nothing more than average either.. he's just really charasmatic

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  52. dude its
    1.Super Junior
    2.JYJ
    3. TVXQ

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  53. BIG BANG can be huge in USA too, like a mix between One Direction and Lady Gaga.

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  54. I LOLed. Like YAH RIGHT. YG is the biggest troll ever...where is my 2ne1 comeback in November and Taeyang solo album. What about Supreal...and the new Girl Group?

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  55. I think the top 3 all have "cult-like" fanbases, but SM's is by far the most extreme lol. the only reason exo (who is so mediocre as a group) is so popular is because they're an sm group.

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  56. I adore JYP but i really love SM style too, BoA's early years where amazing, DBSK, SJ KRY, TaeTiSeo, and a few others are very talented but as any company they have their black holes too. YG has them, JYP too, Cube.. etc.

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  57. I'm a JYJ fan and I think Big Bang sells just as much in physical albums and way more digitally. Their US concert tour also sold more tickets than JYJ's.


    I don't really mind that JYJ sells less though. Big Bang and JYJ both have big fandoms, great solo careers, and earned respect + envy from the public and their peers.

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  58. Way to troll. I can see you replying to yourself.

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  59. imo, they are both great groups even if i don't follow them as much as i do other groups. They are both successful in their own right :)

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  60. ooooohh shit here come the mad sm stans

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  61. honestly, unless yg's plans for america hit big then no, SM remains no 1 in korea and japan.

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  62. They were doing fine (well BIGBANG was at least...) until GS blew up.
    Other than BIGBANG and Lee Hi (maybe Epik High), it was pretty messy.

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  63. it's always fun to see yg stans and sm stans fight

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  64. kpop must be a little sad for the people who think they HAVE to limit themselves to the acts of only one company or they will betray their bias or something

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  65. this at the end sum it up for me.
    -There's a difference between training kids that already know what they
    want vs training kids that just want to be a celebrity, whether that be a
    singer or an actor.

    -JYP's the best at producing, SM's the best at planning, and YG's the best at management.

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  66. haters gonna hate...
    but at the end these people will continue to bash while the persons they are bashing will continue to work hard and make money from their work.

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  67. I know right? so close minded and they dont see how much they r missing by doing that

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  68. As someone who lives in the Philippines and actually lived thought the Sandara craze almost 10 years ago, NO. She's not a good actress. She's just pretty enough to watch onscreen.

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  69. Disagree.


    Do you really think Dara or Bom or Minzy suit the 2ne1 concept? Dara is talentless, BOM and minzy are so dull in personality and on stage. It seems like 2ne1's concept is mainly developed according to CL.... Plus, BB and 21 are so simliar, how is that unique and refreshing? Maybe different from other groups, but essentially, they all have that YG "swag" that was forced onto Lee hi and Epik High too.


    There are actually lots of outstanding talented kids in SM,TV5Q, Kyuhyun, Onew, Jonghyun, Taemin, Key, Kai, D.O, Baekhyun, Chen, Taeyeon...just few of the ones I think are talented.


    JYP concepts are just hell boring.

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  70. we jyp fans hate their management department is more like it XD

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  71. Please. Yunho is just a fanboy who wanted Yonghwa to write them a song. Whut

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  72. i thought top was just a rapper

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  73. No one should ever reply to your comments. you're a well known akp super troll who thumb ups their comments with multiple accounts. we all know how easy that is to do on disquis..

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  74. This. Will never see the appeal of stanning only one entire company and only staying loyal to them. It clouds your judgement and is so limiting :/

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  75. omg epik high ;A; no joke I was depress for weeks after seen what YG did with them

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  76. Honestly YG has had a lot of influence over the k idol music industry, with their hip-hop. But The only top artists to come from YG are Se7en, Big Bang and 2NE1. If you compare their top artists in numbers to SM entertainment, YG falls short.
    SM:
    DBSK
    SNSD
    Super Junior
    BoA

    etc etc....

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  77. why is everybody so obsessed by SM's artists then ?

    there is reasons why they are so loved but telling they are irrelevant because they are not your biases is kinda arrogant because it means you think your opinion should be the only one to count.
    SM's artists are very loved, deal with it !
    i'm pretty sure of the origin of these "rational" comments though...

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  78. I agree. There are a lot of outstanding talents in SM. YG cannot compare, they don't really have as much. I think the most talented person in YG is Se7en....

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  79. SM entertainment has more kpop legends than YG has... YG started to become really popular after Big Bang's success... Before Big Bang.. they were just a hip hop label...

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  80. I think all the companies have their flaws.

    YG sucks at promoting their artists properly. With the whole 1 music show per week thing and than their also terrible at promoting multiple top artists at the same time. With this new girl group coming out he completely forgot about 2ne1 when their due out for an album in July.

    SM has pretty horrible songs but is amazing and promoting their artists especially when they have so many.

    JYP artists always has very unique concepts and great songs but can maintain their popularity.

    At the end of the day as a music company I think YG beats all. Even if he sucks at promoting them you cant deny they have kick ass songs and quality music. But I disagree you cant give all the credit to PSY. PSY Gangnam Style only became popular because of the music video. If GS didnt have such an awesome MV it would have neverrrrrrr become viral. It was seriously just luck on his part.

    If SM doesnt make legit songs soon than SM will get pushed down even furthur. They have to stop releasing crap songs like Sexy, Free and Single and bad remake songs like I Got a Boy.

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  81. true, they have more top artists than yg, but Big Bang would probably still rank up high even if yg itself doesn't rank that high with amount of top artist

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  82. I agree with netizen #7 though. Unless YG fixes itself and stops relying on only Big Bang, SM will still be the top company because it doesn't rely on only one group. Hell, SM lost DB5K, the biggest boy group they've had in the past 10 years, and still their company didn't crash and burn. They had SNSD and Super Junior to keep it afloat. Can't say the same thing about YG and Big Bang. Take Big Bang out of the picture, and that is already 70% of YG's revenue down the drain.

    JYP sucks in keeping his artists' momentum, I will never forgive him for shipping out Wonder Girls when they were at the peak of their fame.

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  83. You're not any better you know.

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  84. YG loves whoever brings in the dough. LBR.

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  85. are you a YG stan? thanks for replying to me without fighting... And yes Big Bang is one of top powerhouses in Korea...

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  86. Honestly i don't expect anything good from the big 3 anymore

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  87. Considering if Big Bang were to disband or something were to happen with them, YG would be shit out of luck, I'd say its a stretch to say he's about to surpass SM.


    And what's this bullshit about emphasizing the styles they already have? Lol. If that was true, Bom would be making R&B music right now. YG has just as much of a uniform style as SM, only it's more colorful and on the fashionista style, but it's really the same.

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  88. /sigh.


    I guess that's where his plans for the new girl and boy group are gonna come in.


    tsk. I want my 2NE1 first.

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  89. i still think it's impressive that YG is a much smaller company and is still competing with SM...i mean jyp,cube, other companies have way more artists than YG but they cant really compare

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  90. You are exactly correct. YG cannot match up with SM's success with just Big Bang and PSY alone.

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  91. How is IGAB a remake when no one else has released a version of it? There was an English demo and that's it. It's not the same as remake when currently SM and Soshi have the only version.

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  92. Someone finally mentions 2NE1's comeback. ; u ;


    Ugh. My little betrayed heart.

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  93. Yeah you are right about that, i guess we can say that about YG. He does not have the amount of artists on his roster like SM.. But he is able to be on top.

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  94. wasn't sandara a prostitute in the phillipines? http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwubow4dFz1r10l94.jpg

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  95. I think it's because he's so small that he's successful. SM is at greater risk with more groups because concepts are going to be recycled and they're essentially going to overlap in one way or another, YG has two idol groups and they basically are the same style just male and female, BUT, it's okay because they're charting different routes being male and female but once YG starts making more girl groups and boy groups people will get tired because the styles are bound to overlap and become extremely redundant.

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  96. 8. [+89, -9] JYP always comes out with the best artists but they never know how to maintain any of it. Park Jin Young's a great producer but his business skills are very poor. 2PM, Wonder Girls, miss A, god, Rain... They all debuted at the top and look at them now. JYP's the best at producing, SM's the best at planning, and YG's the best at management.

    I agree with the last sentence:JYP's the best at producing, SM's the best at planning, and YG's the best at management.

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  97. YG is a dirty label compared to SM. They have murderers (Daesung) Gangbangers(Teddy Park) Racists, Sex Addicts (Seungri) Cocaine & Drug Dealers(PSY) Potheads(G-Dragon) Plastic Surgery Addicts(Bom) Prostitutes(Sandara)

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    1. But still could mantain the high rank on several chart. Lol eat that mdfk

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  98. c'mon ! again ?
    who cares ?
    SM groups have their fans and YG & JYP groups have too.
    while this journalist is trying to start a war , those groups are working their butts off.

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  99. Yeah it reminds me of Lee Hi and how she said she really wanted to go for YG because she knew she wanted to do soul music and that she thought they would be the best at helping her go that path. And they really did. I'm happy she found success doing the kind of sound she wanted.

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  100. Oh come on. Can you not? It's a thing here in the Philippines that if a teenybopper actress wants to shed her image and get the mature, grownup roles, they do a sexy photo shoot. I don't agree with it but it is what it is.

    And this photo shoot is ridiculously tame compared to that the others do here.

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  101. Why? I may not care about YG but your comment is just utterly fucking stupid.

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  102. But at the end of the day it's what YG wants that goes. Regardless of how they want to go, YG is going to create the path for them he thinks is the right one. There's only one Big Bang in YG, I think people need to remember that. 2NE1, Lee Hi, and every other idol singer/group hes going to release is not going to be as creatively in charge and driven as those boys are.

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  103. Best management huh?

    Btw how long did it take for a Daesung solo album? Its not even a korean album....

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  104. Sadly, SM's black hole is their very own resident composer Yoo Young Jin who is in charge of coming up with almost all every other comeback title song.

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  105. Well i consider myself a JYP stan as i like all the artists from JYP, but i do enjoy some SM and YG artists as well :)

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  106. Oh here is a dumbass YG stan!

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  107. I love Yoo Young Jin but I agree that SM shouldnt rely only on him, we need something fresh

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  108. LBR. You can't call majority of YG -idols- artists either. I wish people would stop acting YG is full of big bangs. Lee Hi doens't write her music, 2NE1 doesn't write their music, this new group isn't going to write their music, so no, they aren't artists, they are idols as well and I differ on the management. YG has the most unprofessional shitty management in all of kpop.

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  109. Stanning a company is a silly thing to do anyway. o_O'

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  110. this is just unnecessary...you're pathetic

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  111. let's be honest, there's the possibility that all the of the big 3 companies have some kind of dirt on them, not necessarily with the artists themselves as well.


    And no disrespect, it's not fair to single out YG artists when both SM and even JYP artists have may dumb mistakes as well

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  112. welcome to kpop man.... idk who started that company stanning shit.. but its sooo annoying.. its not done anywhere else.

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  113. i only reason i consider myself a JYP stan is because i adore all jyp artists, but my love is not limited there, i love artists from the other 2 major companies as well as the smaller ones.

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  114. You guys do realize it took PSY's viral success for YG to top SM... So once that falters, he'll drop down once again. That's what this was about. If PSY doesn't deliver a hit single again, the stocks will drop.

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  115. i'm pretty sure they are trolling.. why so serious?

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  116. Same. I find myself expecting more from the smaller companies lately with groups like Infinite and BAP.

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  117. 7. [+99, -10] Either way, I think SM would still make the most cash because they only put together pretty groups which are the best at attracting strong fandoms. Although this continues to separate them from the public, they're still creating a market from within their own fandom.



    this tbh! YG's new success with Psy was accidental and tbf, most would agree that even Psy himself will find it difficult to repeat the success he had with GS again. YG's music does appeal to the public with their easy melodies and whatnot but their fandoms are twice smaller than SM's, and the money they make internationally from concerts, endorsements, albums sales and merchandise is no where near what SM makes.


    Koreans can satisfy themselves with pretending that YG is the biggest, but the industry will forever see SM as the biggest and most profitable as long as they maintain their current formula

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  118. IKR?! I can't with YG stans saying they stan ~artists~ and not idols. Everyone there is manufactured, even Big Bang. They try so hard to be packaged a different way from everyone else when at the end of the day, they're still idols that are just as manufactured as any SM or whatever else idol. Good for Big Bang to be so in control of their music, but still, they're manufactured idols to the core.

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  119. is that supposed to make it funny and okay?

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  120. I think BB is the only exception, because GD is the main producer of the songs. If YG had to care about that, it would be reaaaaaally messy.
    Because all the YGstans know that he sucks at management.
    He can manage only one artist at once, and that's his main problem.

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  121. Oh really? Well SM is full of male chauvinistic pigs. (Super Junior) Gays (Shinee, Exo, DBSK) SM created that whole shipping garbage. SM also created the annoying idol craze and saesangs...

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  122. I'll say Big Bang has only started to show their artistry now that YG has let them do as they please (but he still keeps the reigns on them and tells them which songs they can and can't release) But 2NE1? Lee Hi? This nugu group? Even Se7en was "manufactured" so I don't understand why people insist on trying to act like anyone except for Gummy (who has disappeared to the YG dungeon) , PSY, BB and well now EH are actual artists in YG. The rest of them are controlled, manufactured idols.

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  123. 1. Before Gangnam Style came out, YG was already consistently leading in Korean ent. company stock prices.
    2. Big Bang still brought it way more money than Psy did at the end of the day.

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  124. SM's music quality has gone down drastically, but I don't think YG can overtake them just because Psy was huge last year.
    1. YG still has major time management issues.
    2. SM stans will still buy any crap SM puts out.

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  125. Who the actual fuck is racist in YG, they're the most accepting to foreign cultures out of all the labels I've seen.... Michelle Lee anyone?

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  126. This! the only true YG creation that has had huge success is BigBang, and even they are limited to the Korean market. 2NE1 is no where near 4 of SM's top idol groups, Gummy is no where to be seen, and Epik High had the most disappointing comeback last year which pretty much flopped every where. the only YG act with the potential to reach success in the future is Lee Hi but even she is different since she was never trained as an idol at YG.


    on the other hand u have SNSD, SUJU, TVXQ, BoA ruling over the Asian market including Japan which is currently the world's biggest music industry after having surpassed the US. then there is Shinee and Fx who have huge physical AND digital sales thus proving with each passing day that they have the potential to repeat and even overtake their sunbaes' successes.


    Koreans dislike SM for creating music that doesnt appeal to them. I still remember when back in 2009 editorials like these came out about SM falling from its #1 position and YG overtaking it, yet only few months later SM bounced back with SNSD and SUJU as Korea's #1 label


    come 2014 and SM will still be the undisputed label in Korea.

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  127. Fantastic shitstorm brewing in here... Honestly, I think people praise YGE too much and shit on SME too often. The Big 3 all have different styles, but at the end of the day which company you prefer depends entirely on personal taste. YG's brand of music is not superior to everyone else's. All of them are putting out comparable volumes of manufactured pop. YG isn't a "hip hop company that doesn't emphasize physical beauty". None of YG's active artists are hip hop, and netizen #3 apparently missed all the media play about his new girl group being "pretty without plastic surgery". He seems pretty preoccupied with looks if you ask me.

    About JYP sucking at management, I definitely agree, but I don't think they get enough credit for how well they've been managing 2PM. Jay leaving was a massive loss no doubt, but Heartbeat wasn't the peak of their career. Three years ago they could not sell out an Asia tour. JYP's position isn't as precarious as people make it out to be.

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  128. LOL no she wasn't. That's a picture from a magazine photoshoot she did yeeeears ago while she was known as a popular SINGER and ACTRESS.


    /rolls eyes/

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  129. IDon'tStanMusicCompaniesJanuary 30, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    In the end it should not be about the companies but about the music itself... Who puts out the best music should be on top.

    If a company relies too much on the fanbases to buy their stuff and neglects the quality of the music, sooner or later it will bite them in the ass, as the fans will grow and get tired of it. I'm no music elitist but fans need to be more critical about what they buy. I understand that they're young and gullible but if "you have to listen to it 100 times to like it" but you still buy it, you're not buying because you love it but because of brand loyalty.



    I'm sorry if this comment came out a bit judgmental.

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  130. Lack of money coming in because IGAB was a huge flop? Idk.

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  131. Totally agree. In 2012, SM's stocks is worth $1.24 BILLION dollars. Although YG may be losing to SM musically, SM still has other divisions where they're expanding such as co-publishers of Avex Trax's japanese artists, drama productions, partnerships with other companies, not to mention two other SM Entertainments (one in the US and the other in Japan), an academy, tourism agency and much more.


    YG struck big with Psy, but they're still nowhere compared to what empire SM has built.

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  132. Didn't Michelle leave YG recently or something?

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  133. Yes! "1234" was a song that was literally made just so Lee Hayi could show off her voice. I was really happy when they decided to let her debut with that kind of song, rather than some weird electrodance song or a ballad. :)

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  134. let me give u a hug! u hit it right in the heart of the issue! thats exactly why SM never bothers with the public opinion. music will only bring u money from album sales. digital singles are promotional tools and nothing more. u can have gazillion #1s on digital music charts but whats the point in that when the cost of the song is 3 cents only! SM focuses on fandoms cuz they bring in the album sales where the profit is made, and they stick with the singer for a very VERY long time. they also guarantee sales of merchandise.


    only few days ago i heard that YG's new store has been flopping becuz nobody is buying any of YG's merchandise except for Big Bang's fans.

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  135. very true. the thing is also, 2012 is no wear near as bad as 2010 for JYPE. After Jay park was gone, their stocks were so low and 2pm had to rebuild album sales and they did. The only thing that really save them that time was MissA's massive success with BGGG and Breathe. 2011 did well in comparison, where's 2012 kinda plateaued or dipped a bit, but not as low as 2010. However, if they keep making bad decisions, they do stand to lose not only their rep, but i'm sure their artists might consider leaving when their contract is up

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  136. I want yg and sm to both stay on top.. although I like yg music I also like sm music some of them like shinee. Variety is good.

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  137. Exactly, it should be because of the music, not because of the company. :)

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  138. Same can be said for YG stans though. Let's not act like One of A kind was this genius album, but fans ate that shit up whether it be just cause it was GD or because they enjoyed it, who knows but let's not place SM stans on a different chopping block than any other stan who follows a whole company or one group.

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  139. Umm you're joking right? EVERYONE in YG entertainment is 100% korean. None of them are Chinese, Thai, or mixed race. SM and JYP is more accepting to non korean applicants. Only recently YG accepted a thai trainer, and Michelle Lee. But they kicked out michelle lee because she didn't want to loose weight.

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  140. Uh... I guess...

    But when I look at the credits for 2NE1 and Lee Hi's songs, NONE of them have "Yang Hyun Suk" listed under writer or producer. What he DOES do, is select which songs will be promoted. The actual songs are really up to the producers (Teddy, in 2NE1's case, and Choice37 in Lee Hi's case).

    YG personally handles (or at least makes the decision for) the marketing and publicity, which is why he selects which songs will be promoted. Although I agree that Big Bang pretty much takes the reigns about 98% when it comes to all of that stuff.



    And then he delegates—which is something JYP obviously fails at—to the choreographers, stylists, and other staff to finish the task. And he gets the final say before anything is released.

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  141. SM promotes homosexaulity.. but does not actually allow their artists to be openly gay.

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  142. i think people upvote it cuz everyone knows its fake, but its kinda funny...

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  143. LOL YG aint that hardcore, Try Again

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  144. Just because they imitate and dress like black people, that doesn't mean they are accepting of foreign cultures. With YG I feel like anything foreign to them is by a means of accessory, a way to look cool. Like that saying, everyone wants to be black, but nobody wants to BE black. That describes YG perfectly. Black culture and style is costume jewelry for them, imo. Plus there's shining ignorance in Seungris statements about how if the van he walked into was owned by a black man, he would have been shot, and also GDs remark about how seeing a black lady listen to one of his and GDs song weirded him out.

    And Lee Michelle left.

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  145. JYP is an epic failure, whereas YG just kind of pisses off the fans. Tbh, I'd rather be a pissed off YG stan than a disappointed JYP stan.

    I'm still really angry about how JYP handled the whole Jay Park Myspace scandal, tbh. There were better ways to handle the situation, but because the scandal happened right when 2PM was promoting "Again and Again" (the song that shot their popularity to the top) he chose to kick Jay out using some BS excuse that no one believes, despite the fact that there were 1,500 fans sitting in front of the JYP building begging for him to bring Jay back.



    After the news broke out, it took JYP all of FOUR days to make the situation exponentially worse. But sending Jay back to the states, it made him look even more guilty. And that ridiculous excuse for a "press conference" in which they answered every question in an evasive manner... that's why the Hottest fandom is so split and that is why 2PM has so many anti-fans now. They have the most anti-fans out of all the idol groups to this very day.


    FUCK JYP. He fucked up WG's career and the fucked up 2PM's career. And he's probably going to fuck up the careers of Park Ji-min and Baek Ah-yeon soon enough if they keep releasing songs that flop harder than a damn pancake.

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  146. I love JYP artists but JYP is a terrible manager. He doesn't know how to manage his groups and tries to do everything himself when it's pretty obvious that he can't.


    He cannot be the producer, choreographer, stylist, and manager for every single group he has. He just can't. But he still tries and that's why JYP is failing so fucking hard.


    INFINITE is more popular than 2PM in Korea right now. That's how far they've fallen. A rookie group from a small company is now more popular than 2PM.

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  147. I agree SM has more staying power but YG's success did not come over night at all. They already made more than 60% of SM's profit with less than 1/3 of their roaster AND Big Bang dipping in and out of activity in 2009-2011. Their share prices were already highest in the Korean ent. compagnies even before Gangnam Style and with them being newly-listed. Gangnam Style just gave them the little boost they needed to surpass SM but they were already in better financial standing.

    In any case, I think SM has better sustainability simply because of their baffling ability to create intense-as-hale fandoms. Or as LSM calls it "his secret formula" (insert evil laugh). YG doesn't really have a formula(or does he idk)? They've just been lucky to put out groups that draw public, international and fandom attention. But I like YG's way better obviously. Hope this encourages more Korean ent. companies to let their idols branch out, explore their musicality, etc. I see a rise of idols that are more involved with their musicor doing full-on solo/unit promotions and I love it!

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  148. " and also GDs remark about how seeing a black lady listen to one of his and GDs song weirded him out."
    Why are you making about shit. GD never said that, stop lying please.
    GD constantly likes photos of Rihanna, Beyonce, Teyana Taylor on a daily basis....

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  149. I never said YG makes their music. YG oversees it all though. The producers might make the song but if YG doesn't like it, it's not happening. If he doesn't like the choreography, it's not happening. He doesn't like the outfits, it's not happening. It's what YG wants, and how he wants it done that passes. He handles all aspects, so it is YG's path that gets taken.

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  150. LOL. I'm not making shit up, dumbass. It was when he was in Las Vegas for tonights MV, he was interviewed and was asked about Las Vegas he said he saw some black lady listening to Knock out and it was a weird expireince for him, so you can sit the fuck down now. I don't care how many photos of FAMOUS black people he likes. That's like when people say "but i have a black friend" after saying some stupid ass racist remark L O FUCKING L

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  151. "Their creativity (if they have one) and freedom of speech is constantly choked to death." meanwhile their artists usually get chances to compose/write songs on their albums. please don't talk about people you clearly don't have enough information on to form a fair unbiased opinion on.

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  152. The only thing Infinite is ahead in is Korean sales. That's partially because they've been releasing material constantly while 2pm hasn't been active as a group in the korean music scene in the while. Over all though with concert sales, dvd sales, and overseas sales, 2pm is ranked higher than infinite. Plus, 2pm is still quite relevant among the Korean public as their advertisements are all over multiple places around south korea, and their songs are still played in places.



    As for JYP, the only thing he's really involved in anymore is their music and training. He may have some say in the business adventures, but alot falls on their ceo. Management, marketing and style and choreography falls on the shoulders of other people. It's not fair to put all of the blame on him when he puts his eomployee into power and they have a hand in these decisions as well

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  153. michelle never left. yg put out a statement back in like novemember saying all of that was false that she had some personal issues to tend to. just because they don't have mixed races or different cultures doesn't mean they are racist. shit bigbang and 2ne1's bands for the world tour were black. well bigbang's was.

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  154. 1. Michelle was never officially kicked out. They only said they had misunderstandings.
    2. You're totally pulling the "didn't want to loose weight" bit out of your ass bc nothing was ever specified.
    3. No Chinese people because no desire to enter the Chineses market? Uhm that's basically the only reason why SM and JYP have Chinese people in their group anyways (which btw don't they get terrible treatment at SM coughHangengcough).

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  155. michelle never left. yg put out a statement back in like novemember saying all of that was false that she had some personal issues to tend to.

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  156. do you mean infinite challenge ? o-O

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  157. why do people have the need to stan a company? i think its pathetic. i get the SM stans cause they take pride in that fandom and cult shit. but these YG stans r getting on my fucking nerves. the talk about how they love BB or 2ne1 because its all different and "real music" (what does that even mean) yet they were all up the gangnam style song cause of bandwagon but its a song that represent shit quality. bottom line is dont stan a company and stop devending one and talking about its success and money it made like its ur own dad who's earning it for u. it makes this whole k-pop fandom thing look like a real cult community

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  158. Whoa.. Whoa.. Calm down ma'm. Seriously.. Did you ever think you are taking thingss WAYYY out of context? Why are you guys so oversenstive sometimes?? Did you ever think that MAYBE he thought it was weird that a non Kpop fan liked his song... like wtf.. Calm Down.

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  159. Hmm since Wonder Girls try and fail in America and also failed to regain their popularity and status as top girl groups(even now behind the likes of Secret lol) in Korea, is the terms "top 3" still relevant now? Doesn't it likes already being the top 2?

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  160. americans are soo obsessed with race.

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  161. i think this year is going to be hard for everyone. YG is constantly going to try to top himself since there is anticipation since Gangnam Style and since they are media playing the shit out of their new girl group they really /have/ to be good. but you know, when all fails, just drop a Big Bang album.
    SM is having trouble with their sounds - because lbr, last years releases (in terms of their title songs) + IGAB were generally huge let downs. (though i really liked electric shock, catch me, and sherlock; a lot of people didn't)
    JYP is just.... they just need hope so they can catch up. i don't know what they can do but; ;;....

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  162. Don't tell me what I should take offense to and what I shouldn't. If it was merely a non-korean (I'm assuming you meant that) then race wouldn't have need to been said, he could have just said I saw a foreigner listening to my song and it weirded me out. And what do you mean you guys? Black people? Ha go fuck yourself dear. Please, go join um.. in taking a seat.

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  163. well shit is happening --------- fanwar

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  164. There was also that time GD told Seungri he looked like a Mexican as if looking like a Mexican was something kind of joke to laugh at and you could visibly see Seungri was uncomfortable with the comment.

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  165. Don't they have many phillipines dancers in yg?

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  166. i read somewhere that if you are from the SM you cant say that you like BB or sing to their songs in the building

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  167. STILL overreacting.. and making assumptions again.. Ugh..

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  168. "Their faces can't sell these songs forever" lol that's definitely aimed at SNSD - IGAB XD

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  169. "why do people have the need to stan a company? i think its pathetic. i
    get the SM stans cause they take pride in that fandom and cult shit."

    Sooooooo you're okay with SM stans....but not YG stans? Double standards much?

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  170. uh their non electro songs slay though ( blue, lonely, 1234) were all massive hits

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  171. Oh please, actually I hate 1D, but come on with their arguably massive popularity 1D have right now, no kpop group near their popularity. And I don't want to start about Gaga too lol.



    And peoples behind them like Simon Cowell is far more have the power, knowledge and almost everything to rule the market compare to the likes of JYP, LSM, etc.

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  172. Lol that's some bullshit lie from some pressed VIP trying to make it seem like SM has time to hate Big Bang all day and dictate whether his artists listen to them or not. If that was the case, EXO would be out because I saw them jamming to Big Bangs song at Mamas and SNSD went to Big Bangs concert.

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  173. Whoa, the whole Sandara/prostitution thing is new to me.

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  174. jyp fans hate the hater bash JYP

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  175. Lol. You're opinion is irrelevant and will always be irrelevant...

    STILL IRRELEVANT.

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  176. YG's new store doesnt sell yg merchandise...it's an office supply store....people are so caught up in this SM vs YG thing

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  177. well... i dont really believe it !! and i know that some of SNSD and exo went to bb concerts ... like this fanwars are like never ending ppl will always be defending the company of their favorite idol group regardless of the quality music

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  178. my opinion is so irrelevant.. yet you keep replying to me.. obviously my opinion is extremely relevant to you.

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  179. ? how was that being obsessed. you were the one talking about race. i was just giving you information on your argument.

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  180. LOL. Why do you keep changing your name, is it because you're one of those people that runs around here making multiple comments talking to themselves? It's still irrelevant, I don't know what else to tell you besides stop flattering yourself. LOL.

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  181. If Big Bang was to suddenly disband YG would immediately fall apart. Big Bang is YG's cash cow.

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