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Saturday, April 18, 2015

[Pann] Senior/junior relationships within college majors



Military academy


Physical education


Music major


Medical school


Health science majors


Flight operations major

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1. [+41, -2] People go all the way to college to still act like iljins? And all this fuss over being a year or two older than the juniors, how childish

2. [+23, -1] I'm in art school and there's no discipline stuff here because everyone's always working together on late night team projects so they have to relate on some level. Usually when we all have to stay behind late for school projects, we'll all order chicken to take a break from work and get along well. When I see other majors, though... there's so much discipline intimidation going on, especially with the med students. I can understand that they're strict with their juniors since their line of study involves actual lives but I don't get why seniors in physical education and music majors are so harsh. Model majors too. I heard that freshmen in dance majors are prohibited from wearing make up or dyeing their hair and have to keep it tied up all because their seniors force them to. I remember at the cafeteria a freshman freaking out saying, "Hey, hurry and tie your hair up, the seniors are coming ㅜㅜㅜ". Then they got up and bowed 90 degrees when the seniors came in while the seniors just chicly said hi and passed them by. And if a junior has a bit of hair dye, she'll get called out and criticized. The physical education majors act like college is some type of army and all of the juniors have to get up and shout a greeting super loud whenever the seniors come in... it's all so pointless. Seniors think they look intimidating or something but other majors laugh at them.

3. [+15, -0] I'm a med major and it's super bad here... No matter what you say, anyone a higher grade than you is always right whether you like it or not

4. [+11, -0] Add childhood education majors to that list

5. [+8, -0] And dance majors

6. [+7, -0] I heard culinary majors are pretty tough too, but moreso once you're actually working in a kitchen and out of college because you're working with fire and knives and you have to stay awake 24/7.

7. [+6, -0] I'm a music major... super bad here.

8. [+5, -0] I feel like majors where one sex is the majority are more tough when it comes to discipline. Although I'm sure there are majors without this stuff too.

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212 comments:

  1. Because the mere stress of college itself is not enough...

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  2. I can never do this or bow down like this to someone just cause they are older than me when they aren't respecting me. To me, respect is to earned not given

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  3. Way to put more stress on students... sad.

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  4. lmao this stuff would only fly during frosh week. otherwise who the fuck are you to ~discipline~ other adults

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  5. I understand having respect and expected respect, but they take it too far. My household was "respect and listen well to elders/seniors but don't take crap from anyone

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  6. They are just jealous...

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  7. Why do they have to make life shittier for themselves.............................. like why do that to each other mang

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  8. senior junior relationship like this is such a bullshit one..this straight bullying,,,if you want ppl to respect you,first u need to earn the their respect...there no such free respect..

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  9. Well my kids aren't going to college in Korea.. altho it's a far-off prospect hehe

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  10. I would never get on my knees for anyone.

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  11. Superiority complex

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  12. In universities here, that sort of behavior is called hazing and you can be expelled for it.

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  13. now i understand why a lot of koreans are studying here in our country's big universities.

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  14. This is so childish and unnecessary. Just because you are older it doesn't make you wiser.

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  15. I'm so happy I'm not a student in Korea!

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  16. Right. Everything in excess is dangerous and if someone is disrespecting/humiliating you, you shouldn't take shit from them.

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  17. [+5, -0] I feel like majors where one sex is the majority are more tough when it comes to discipline. Although I'm sure there are majors without this stuff too.

    yea :(

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  18. not even kanye?

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  19. Jeez. At times I do appreciate the whole respecting your elder thing, because in America you see so much disrespect and too much entitlement, so it's Korea can be a refreshing change. However, this is taking it too far. I can't get pass the idea that just because somebody is like 2 years older than you they are always right even when they are wrong. And the fact that you have to be so submissive is just wayy too much. I don't think I could handle that type of culture 24/7. I mean I'm like 5 years older than my brother and he definitely isn't bowing down to me and following my every command.

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  20. I never completely understood the whole seniority thing in Asian society. I agree that you should respect your seniors and elders but that respect should be reciprocated regardless of age or position. This senior junior relationship is going too far.

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  21. Exactly, a certain line of respect to people above you is cool... But this is pure and disgusting bullying

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  22. I'd get into a lot of fights if i went to school in Korea.

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  23. I get the senior-junior relationship. Its good if the senior use it to mentor the juniors. Not to take advantage and bully the juniors.

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  24. In our country university seniors always support juniors.

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  25. gotta earn the respect,,only elder got free respect because they are older...some senior did this to me..i disobey him,,ask to fight,,i own the shit out him,,after that he just avoid me.haha

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  26. now i feel that korean are really weird despite their cuteness idols images...glad i'm not korean

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  27. I have a hard time saying sorry to my mom. this will kill my pride and me eventually. I will always be thankful that i never got to experience bullying of any kind at all.


    In my uni seniors are the ones who are always helping out and showing support but in korea its appalling. what to do though they were thought from the beginning that older one have power and younger should always bow down.

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  28. Not disrespecting their culture but personally just bc by CHANCE you happen to be born a few yrs older than me shouldn't give you the right to act superior or even boss me around. Age shouldn't get you guarantee respect, it's your actions that get you that

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  29. I don't know why you would think being an idol could compare to an average Korean.

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  30. in my university the seniors are acting like they're superior or something. Respect is for those who deserve it, not for those who demand it.

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  31. I dare a bitch to say some shit about my hair. It's MY hair on MY head. You don't need to be worrying MY body unless I'm missing a limb.

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  32. They probably don't want to do it either - but if you don't do it then they can make your life so miserable and spread false rumors about you etc. to the point that either you will leave your school or you will get kicked out. These people spend their entire youth studying, and I guess decide to bow down to some loser for a few more years so they can achieve their dreams with their hard work will be better.

    I just hope that when they actually start working the situation improved though :( Otherwise, shit this is a messed up situation and will cause havoc in the country in the future with increased suicide and depression.

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  33. Respect is earnt, not given.
    Hate how elders seem to think that just because they're older, they are automatically right. If anything, just shows how they're older but not wiser and more mature.

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  34. Wtf Korea .___. This is total bull shit and totally unnecessary.... I'm in college in the U.S. and everyone is pretty much nice, this seniority thing is taken way too far there....

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  35. In my school for business majors I think their is am implied superiority and respect for the actual seniors because they made it so far through their hard work.

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  36. Damn. Thank god I was born in a country were respect is earned and not mandatory based on age. Like college stress ain't enough.

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  37. So glad this does not happen where I live.

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  38. Now I'm here thinking, I don't even know the juniors of my career

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  39. BUT WHAT About Jay Ray

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  40. I'm a sophomore in korea now and i think that those are just the extreme cases? I'm very grateful that even though I /have/ to bow/greet every senior from the department, they're treating us well lol. Those cases are straight up bullying ^^;; i personally think that greeting is a must when dealing with people above you, esp in korea because it's what their culture is. Other than that, screw off. Who are you and why are you controlling us.

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  41. In here it's all about regeneration, senior teach how to survive in college life and the junior will be more respect to their senior because of that

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  42. It's a culture over there?
    Really I don't get the whole you're older you deserve more respect. Respect is about give and take, respecting one another. Putting down someone cos of their age is immature and stupid.

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  43. Well thats good to hear~ It's just kind of scary sometimes to hear serious cases like this.

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  44. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingApril 18, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    This is why Korea needs to change how powerful seniority is. Too many people abuse it and use it as a loophole to abuse others and make them their slaves. Every human earns respect.

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  45. You respect me. I respect you. That's how it should be. I grew up with my dad telling me to never let ANYONE walk over me. And I don't intend to let someone treat me like trash just because they're older, girl no. I wish they would. They'd get a piece of my mind.

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  46. But college isn't a thing called team, it's somewhat " all by yourself" but why do they have to discipline them harshly

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  47. somewhere else this is probably considered bullying.

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  48. The Senior/Junior relationship seems good in theory but too many people like to go on power trips and abuse their seniority. I just think it's stupid that people demand respect because they were born earlier. Respect begets respect, not age.

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  49. 3. [+15, -0] I'm a med major and it's super bad here... No matter what you say, anyone a higher grade than you is always right whether you like it or not


    damn, that's nasty. a higher grade doesnt mean u are smart and think that u right.

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  50. I think it will be hard for me to live in this kind of relationships ✋💔

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  51. I don't think this it's about respect. It's all about fear and intimidation. It seems like "it happened to me so it's only fair others experience it too " type of deal to me. Instead of breaking the cycle they let it continue. Sad really.

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  52. Thankfully we don't have any seniority in my major but I do remember the all female/male high school in my country is really strict with seniority. Freshman need to hung their head low if they meet seniors inside and outside school and greet them and there's also places that prohibited to them.

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  53. Yeah :< i think it depends on what kind of college/univ you enrolled? Because each univ has different reputation, and it kind of snowballs from senior to junior and to the years below etc

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  54. So ridiculous... lord

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  55. comment no 1 tho. have been in school at least for 15 years and behave like no different than uneducated crum.

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  56. Art School seems to be the best everywhere :D

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  57. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingApril 18, 2015 at 10:57 PM

    Ah I think seniority can be a good thing. It's good to respect the elderly as they are more experienced. I just hate how it's so powerful. So many people think that seniority empowers them and gives them more entitlement.


    So many use it as a loophole to make others work for them and treat them abusively. I think seniority is a good thing, again, but people should generally earn their respect. So silly how people look down on those although they're only 2/3 years older. That's just silly.

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  58. That's ridiculous....I'm very close with the "sunbaes" in my major, but they treat the underclassmen well because we work together a lot and spend a lot of time with each other....

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  59. I wont care much since I would become a senior anyways lol

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  60. i only want to go to Korea for concerts, foods and picture taking. living there is out of the question, having kids there is even not dreamed of at all.

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  61. Dang, this is like...hazing for the entire major. When hazing was legal here in my college, it just applies to people in frats or soronities.

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  62. In my country we got hazing everytime we enter new institution like Middle School, High School, and University. The intention is that so the new kids can bonding over together in order to solves/do the task from the seniors. If ones can do it in the right direction, hazing could form a bond within the new kids, but when it goes wrong, it could turn out to be a 'legal bullying' that even the institution allowed it.

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  63. Capitaine Chantel DuBois.

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  64. ah it's similar to universities here... the extreme cases of hazing in my country is even more ridiculous, like, 3 times more ridiculous than these pictures.


    but in the end juniors will still like the seniors, though. stockholm syndrome.

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  65. Seems like bullying to me, but then again I'm not familiar with the culture. I'm pretty sure their plenty of lovely seniors who aren't buttholes.

    Those poor military academy and physical education majors....
    http://media.tumblr.com/ff83d0c6c405634dae0b53bb18cec895/tumblr_inline_mvfyj2GSU01r9cslv.gif

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  66. That is true, the thing that I like about the 'seniority cases' is that the elders take care of the younger and held a responsibility for them (like for example if they're failed to take care the younger, its their responsibility to fix it), therefore the younger needs to respect the elders. But again, some people can be stupid and it turns out to be a straight up bullying thingies.

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  67. Reminded me of the Japanese drama Tonbi where there is a situation similar to that with the baseball team, apparently it's not "bullying" if you're continuing the cycle.

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  68. If a senior comes and criticize me because i dye or i have my hair down
    she would leave with a broken nose or a black eye


    I know it's a different culture but this is bullying

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  69. it's kinda hard to do that, though. if you don't join (?) the hazing (like, you don't show up at all), most of your friends will kind of ostracise you because you didn't suffer together with them and it's unfair.

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  70. Sounds like they use bullying as some team building exercise. That's really unfortunate and scary.

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  71. Frat/Sorority hazing is just so...ugh. An alumnus from my high school was caught up in a hazing scandal in his new university and died because of the extreme hazing that he fell victim to. When the news reached our school, it was so upsetting to hear.

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  72. Completely my POV, but if I were full-Korean (given that I have the same mindset I have now), I'd probably be one of the coolest seniors ever

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  73. It's definitely a systematic cycle of bullying. The seniors are carrying the burdens from their seniors and forcing it on the underclassmen because they're the easiest to victimize.

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  74. ...and you'll be charged with violence.

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  75. I'm so glad that I'm in a university where there's no seniority whatsoever.

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  76. even if its america you can still be respectful. children who are not raised properly and are given no consequence for being a douche will always be douche. it depends on your upbringing. its just that in asian countries its stricter. but still u will see assholes regardless of the country

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  77. as a korean who has been beaten by seniors and principal in dormitory for one year. i can guarantee you that you won't.
    it's much more complicated than it looks.

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  78. this is really a problem for education in asia,in indonesia too,some college or university really do this kind of thing that bothers me

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  79. Me too. How do they even know if someone is in the same major and older than them anyways? I'm in my second year at uni and we have nothing like that here. People just pass one another without even a glance. I seriously don't even know anyone in the same major who is in a lower or higher class than me (in terms of years). It's all just really weird to me to bow to a stranger respectfully simply because they're in the same major and older. It all seems so weird. I understand respecting each other as people, but I don't understand the extent of it in Asian countries.

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  80. why?? please elaborate more on this, i'm interested^^

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  81. I think that is too much, respect is good but that seems exaggerated

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  82. All I can say is I'm very thankful cuz it never happen to me & I never witness it happen & I never heard it happen near me. Sometimes, we don't even know who is our seniors since each one of us busy doin our own stuff.

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  83. Oh that's sad. It's so sad that it is only stopped when tragedies like this happen. But yeah, at our college, hazing is now against school policies. I think it is actually illegal across the States for hazing to occur, based on what i read years ago but I can't be sure.

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  84. Yeah, it's just an excuse for bullying. Every country with this problem should try to draw lines for how far a senior/junior relationship can go, and try to solve bullying problems in general (well, the last bit is for every society).

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  85. this is so sad. people should be respected if they earned one. not because of seniority or age.

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  86. The saddest thing is the ones who experience this don't try to treat their own juniors better, but practise the exact same abuse as a twisted way of getting their revenge on their shitty seniors. Thus, a ongoing cycle.

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  87. They are taking the senior status too far.

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  88. Ive always thought koreans being so strict about senior/junior and older/younger is too much that it seems illogical and childish. remember that age doesnt define your maturity.

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  89. its honestly a power ploy. People just want to be in power so they use the "I'm older than you" game, to gain some sort of power

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  90. In Portugal it's normal to have seniors pulling "pranks" on the juniors all together, to make the degree work as one and for people to get to know eachother we get college godparents to helps through it, but of course it has rules and you can only do it if you went through the same, your dress code is correct and ABOVE ALL IT DOESN'T PUT SOMEONE PHISYCAL INTEGRATY ON THE LINE. I'm a junior and I got "pranked" but it was good because I got know the people of my degree better and or seniors knows us all so we know if we ask for help they will be there. It's a tradition here, but this kind of thing in SK with no rules is kind of bad...

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  91. What it's "about" is solidarity.


    The basis for this crap is esprits de corps. and it's real whether you like it or not. Koreans are more loyal to their college majors and later that translates to them looking out for each other, helping each other, giving each other jobs etc.


    In the US you have people segregated by things like Jews looking out for other Jews and packing Hollywood with Jews, black athletes banding together helping black charities or sue the NCAA , even gay "mafia" in Silicon Valley etc but in Korea they don't really have those built in groups to self-segregate into. People band together via colleges and majors to get a leg in a very competitive society.



    The issue is that this stuff is often abused because there is no oversight of crap that 20 year olds do. Also in every group there will always be someone who doesn't fit in or doesn't like it and they complain bitterly about it. Any form of hazing is based on how humans are wired. Going through something together makes people closer... this isn't even a question everyone from the Armed Forces to google exploits this basic aspect of human interaction to make the group more harmonious and more efficient



    There are pluses and minuses. Koreans are good at team things everything from team sports to esports, compared to similar cultures with a less of an emphasis on leadership, hierarchy and team like China. There's no right or wrong social organization is basically a living social organism and how people organize themselves are very different. For example zappos and other companies in the US are trying to do away with the CONCEPT of management entirely.

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  92. At my country, we just dont care with each other...lol...

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  93. True! Most cases are straight up bullying disguised as "respecting elders". :/

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  94. SK sunbae/hoobae noona-oppa/dongseng system is fucked up.


    You have to earn my respect. It's not handed out to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

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  95. That's not respecting elders, that's just bullying!!!

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  96. We had hazzing in my highschool dance team. Even when we were in the hallways or in a lunch line we would have to move out of the way for the upper class to come through or get in front of us. When we were at camp they raided our bunks tore the place up and put inching powder in our beds. Except for the beds that were hanging from the ceiling or out by the lake. They treat the lower class as garbage. It was so crazy. Even when there were complaints no one would do anything cause we were the best team in the state so the news of the hazing would get dismissed. The people who would tell would get bullied until they leave the team.

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  97. This is really crap. What about computer science majors? They need to reform the whole college system if it is like that. No wonder we have Koreans coming to our college by the droves.

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  98. Nah, gotta respect their culture! or something.

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  99. no..im sea asian,,,sometimes u just need need to intimidate so they will leave u alone

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  100. Koreans are way to strict on respecting their elders. Heck I just spoke "informally" to a girl who was 5 years older then me a few days ago. And people say that Canadians are so well-mannered. Korea clearly overrules in that area lol.

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  101. It seems Korean colleges still act like high-schoolers over there. Here in America, nobody even has the time to give a crap about other fellow students' personal businesses and all this unnecessary showmanship of "respect" because everyone is literally too busy managing their own shit to care. Granted, America doesn't have the social hierarchy structure that Korea does but still, that deeply ingrained hierarchy system only follows Koreans around from birth until the day they die: there will ALWAYS be someone older than you up until your deathbed.

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  102. It's interesting that this continues through college... in the US High School can be really bad with the popular people vs the losers, and freshmen vs seniors but all of that ends once you hit college. There arent"levels" in college, UNLESS you are in a sorority/frat but even then that drama stays within the frats/sororities cuz no one else cares.

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  103. In my univ it's only in the beginning the senior act like a 'senior' but as the time past the senior didn't act like that anymore in fact we're hanging out together and become closer .. so it's pretty sad to see that somehow it's too exaggerated but at the same times maybe it's their culture we can't expect anything..

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  104. i'm mostly talking about male dominated community.
    the hierarchy is extremely deeply penetrated in the culture and people's mind.
    people actually think it's right to do so.
    like beating your juniors and the juniors should feel gratitude for the education.
    ,checking how seniors feel before you do anything.
    so many injustice and it can't go out
    if you tell anyone outside what's going on(but pretty much 'anyone' knows already but choose to ignore) you'll be the biggest loser
    and if you refuse to follow the rule you will be either out of the community or you get shit.(violence,izime in my case.)
    saralovestae said she(or he) will be against senior
    that's gonna make you a disrespecful bastard also your juniors are gonna diss you as well. i've been through both and juniors not respecting you is like your entire ego crushed.
    when i was in the dorm
    i was really depressed
    i had to tell my mother i don't want to live
    she didn't really know what was happening so she told
    the principal what i said.
    right after he came to our dorm and called me out.
    he started beating me in front of everyone as usual
    and he said
    go commit suicide do it right now or kill me many times.
    then beating me again.
    people who weren't there dont really imagine the blow.
    it's like being a sandbag.
    after he's gone
    there goes 2nd time.
    the oldest hyung beating my younger hyungs ,me , my juniors.
    and my hyungs are supposed to beat me which will make 3rd times but they usually didn't they were kind.
    it's was just another normal day.
    i'm out now anyway
    i've been writing really inchoherent
    but what i really want to tell you is that
    south korea has been under military regime for like half century and we still have conscription for 21 months
    it has made the air. too much hierearchy and it bears side effect. yes side effect of it.
    our grandparents , parents , teacher , sunbae etc
    everyone is doing what they had gotten.
    also when youngster become old and they can do the same thing. most choose be the same one.
    becuase having and using power is fun.
    those in position have to make an effort to change but they don't.
    my english is too poor but i hope people can understand the problem is social structure.
    it makes korean the way we are now. like slide.

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  105. I'll tell you this seniors don't just talk to you
    they would push you or even slap you
    if you ask me how i know, my cousin lives in korea

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  106. that moment when one comment is way too long and you are just too tired to read 1 fifth of an essay

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  107. rolling my eyeballs back to 1894

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  108. I guess physical fight is not what you should be afraid of. They can ostracize you,ridicule or mentally bully you, even your batchmates would distance themselves from you as they are also afraid of being targeted by seniors.

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  109. In my country this kind of thing is prohibited since there is a victim . idk about the other school but my high school is pretty strict so no senior dare to bully or disciplinr stuff like this

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  110. where do you live?

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  111. my school used to be like that too, all the seniors act like they owned the school and act superior toward their junior to the point where all of us (the freshmen) sick of it. so we tried to fight back by breaking the cycle and suddenly the seniors stop act superior and trying to be close to the freshmen. Most of the seniors are kind only a few of them who actually mean...

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  112. when i was in junior high school, senior junior relationship was like that too. we were scared of seniors lol i remember i had to pass by my seniors on the stair and they were like 'EXCUSE ME SIS' telling me that i had to say excuse me for passing by. when i became a senior, that kind of thing didnt really exist anymore. im glad i got to get close wih my juniors and they werent scared of me

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  113. yeah I wonder, what about computer science majors?!

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  114. omg whoever you are stay strong!

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  115. What I don't understand is why SK have a hierarchy system within their own family that also feels so strict. Family members are closed off to each other so they can't talk comfortably about any private matters.
    Family should all be equals, you should be able to let loose and be yourself around them, you should be most comfortable with your family members. Where else would you go?
    For example, I respect my parents a lot and listen to any advice they have, but if I disagree with something I will tell them. They won't act surprised, offended, angry, hurt that I am questioning them. Instead they'll sit with me and have a discussion about it and we'll all listen to each other.
    Isn't that meant to be normal?

    The ONLY place I apply hierarchy system is at work. You'd listen to the manager or team leaders and do exactly as they say, but you can still discuss with them as equals! I also call them by name, they actually expect to be called by just their first name (mostly in retail work).
    In other professions you can add a 'Mr' before their name but they'll most likely tell you 'please, just call me *name*' lol

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  116. I'm kinda grateful that in my country, we don't observe this kind of thing.

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  117. I just wonder what if one of those juniors say to his/her senior to f*ck off, (not using that word but you know..) I know they would be criticized and called rude but maybe others would stand for themselves also and then the senior would be more criticized/embarrased for not being an good model for youngers.
    Respecting someone older than you is part of Korea's culture but that definitely doesn't make taking advantage of your position as the older one a good thing.

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  118. I wonder what the Korean med students are talking about ? Studying med is already hard and then you add this stress ahh. No wonder why I find some Korean doctors I've met so methododical and not so patient friendly. The med students would probably burnt out after first year of med.

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  119. there wasn't any of such thing in my country.
    seniors and juniors get along very well

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  120. Damn SK. This is just sad to see.

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  121. i thought the same thing. i rmb fei from Miss A said that once she went to uni (i assumed Korea) and she was called over this girl on campus. She came over and the girl asked her why didn't Fei greet her cuz she is Fei's sundae. Fei was so surprised she was like wtf i don't even know who u are let along know you my sunbae. But not wanting trouble Fei just pretend like she doesn't understand Korean and her friend with her told the girl Fei is foreigner so the girl let Fei know. The story was so ridiculous but the other people on the show only focus on Fei pretending not to understand part but don't comment on how some anonymous nobody as Fei over,

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  122. I don't think I could ever survive in Korea with these seniority thing. I have a really short temper and I was raised to never take crap from anyone.

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  123. weird thing is, the juniors will not hate the seniors when the hazing ends (at least this is what happened to my friends, i still dislike my seniors lol), why? idk, i think maybe it's sort of a stockholm syndrome.

    and this stuff has become a culture in almost every uni here, so, participating in this feels like you're part of the 'family'. you hate the seniors at first, but when this ends, they will say things like, 'now you're part of this family blablabla...' and think the suffering you had is a must in order to be accepted. and then the junior become the senior and the cycle continues.

    and if you're being 'f*ck this, i'm out!', your friends from the same year will dislike you thinking you're being selfish&individualistic. here, there are even some (not all, ok?) people that believe this builds character.

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  124. That kind of traditions must be abolished, its so fuckin childish and stupid

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  125. I found this post on Tumblr, and the context is more from Western society but it's kind of relevant as it deals with the authority-subordinate kind of relationship.

    "Sometimes people use “respect” to mean “treating someone like a person” and sometimes they use “respect” to mean “treating someone like an authority”

    and sometimes people who are used to being treated like an authority say “if you won’t respect me I won’t respect you” and they mean “if you won’t treat me like an authority I won’t treat you like a person”

    and they think they’re being fair but they aren’t, and it’s not okay."

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  126. i read this in bey's voice

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  127. awww that's sad :( people here have that kind of mentality too, i hate that so much. but fortunately i haven't been bullied that way even though i tend to have more idgaf attitude.

    please stay strong!!!

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  128. They should really change their education. This is very wrong and unthoughtful. The seniors should not take it too seriously or be bossy towards their hoobae. The place where I live does not exist. Everyone is treated equal and respect. Even if we make mistakes, we still learn from each other. Perhaps, someday these people will change their education and their behavior. But, what can you say? Nothing will ever change.

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  129. this is a stupid tradition in asia. or crazy tradition of entering sorority in america. in my opinion just another form of bullying. nothing like this happen here in australia. there is no junior senior. we are all on equal level as student in university.

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  130. The seniors of my boarding sschool should read this >:(

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  131. indonesia. copy pasted this in google image 'ospek indonesia' if you're curious. things have gotten better, though, especially in better universities. but things like that still exist.

    and to give you some context, this is what 'normal' hazing looks like, if the seniors use violence, it's considered the more extreme cases. some will make you do push up if you did mistakes. my old uni wasn't harsh but they gave us like, tons of home works (?), my friends even had no sleep to finish those.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5kOQ1FdwXRM/UeNDAcYosYI/AAAAAAAAAZY/klNNpj1_fDE/s1600/1877572_20130712030804(.)jpg

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  132. I understand, sometimes is about the ''power'' people think they get just for being older and want others to know they have it.
    It's is a cycle so I guess the only thing we can do is hope the best for those who are suffering from their seniors.

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  133. so true ㅠ why must they make us suffer to become part of the family

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  134. waiting4indiansummerApril 19, 2015 at 1:19 AM

    eh no need the generalization n cultural superiority based on very little exosure of 'Asia' you get here. i'm from 'Asia'(not Korea) and no such thing going on here....

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  135. the most ridiculous part, for me, is how the juniors don't feel like they are the victims. and how this could be a culture WITH the university/institution knowing.

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  136. This is what senior worship gets you: Abuse of juniors. :-/ Respect is earned and it can be lost, it's not intrinsic to age groups.

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  137. Not all sororities/fraternities are bad, most are actually really good. Please don't generalize everything by what you may see on Facebook or your local news station. Yes, things bad can happen within them, but to say that entering a sorority or fraternity is a crazy tradition shows how little you actually know. And I bet similar things have happened in Australia, you just haven't heard about it or don't bother doing more research.

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  138. It could be the fact that i am not Korean and i am not familiar with Korean culture but damn, how do they sit there and do nothing about it? What do they lose? It's not like these seniors grade their assessments or anything. I wish a fool would try this shit on me. At my uni and degree, we're all strangers, sure a few of those strangers become your friends but none are my parents and have no authority over me whatsoever. I don't call it disrespectful to stand up for yourself, if anything those seniors are being disrespectful douchebags. This could just be my personality but i would stand up for myself, even if they were to threaten to beat my ass and were stronger than me, i would still try my hardest to fuck a bitch up. Uni is stressful as it is, let alone having someone who's slightly older than you trying to assert their non-existent authorataaaaaaaahhhh

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  139. Goddamn, I would never want to go to university in Korea... How restrictive???

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  140. at times like this is when i'm proud of my school/college. i've had worse in high school when even the male seniors would say shit like, "do you think i'm scared of hurting you because you're a girl?" but where i am now, we went through this orientation where all they did was give us a ton of weird homework. but as it turned out it was to prepare us for the real thing, which is college assignments. and the real assignments are even crazier. and even when there are stupid cases during the orientation time, they always hold themselves back and choose to just talk it out. when the orientation phase was over, they were just really, really nice seniors. and i've heard worse and more horrifying stories about univ orientations.

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  141. That's horrible. Universities aren't prisons

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  142. There are so many things implicated on this theme but since their society has this thought that since seniors know better, they have lived more, they own the experience and the wisdom, they should be respected so (some) juniors tend to believe older people can do these things bc they have the "right" and they should simply listen and learn hence when they get older they do the same now that they have the "right".

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  143. I hope they apply equal and more respect to their parents, if not them the hell with this!!!

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  144. stay strong baby ><

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  145. I rarely know who is my senior in class, in college, age doesn't show on someone's forehead and i don't think we have the time to check everyone's year of enrollment... how do you even know that?

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  146. What the actual fuck?

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  147. What's wrong with the discipline issues over there. It's just so sick!

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  148. What would happen if one of those juniors rejects the bully? I'm curious

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  149. My country has it like, "treat others like you want to be treated", so if you want to be respected, you'll have to show respect too

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  150. Agreed. Respect is due where when it's deserved and not a moment sooner.

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  151. What are you on about now?

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  152. No one ever really knows

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  153. Jenizz | pinkcrownApril 19, 2015 at 3:17 AM

    And... what if... you don't follow these ridiculous orders? Will they box you ?

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  154. Seniors are kinda mean to juniors here in the u.s too. (Or maybe just my stupid school).

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  155. Zetman444's_Hot_Miso _ soupApril 19, 2015 at 3:31 AM

    So if someone is older than you and asked the younger one to steal or jump of a bridge are we saying that because the person is younger respect the elder and do it.

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  156. But the hazing in Indonesia only last few months, tops. Once you pass the initiation the lines between senior and juniors usually fade naturally.

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  157. I dunno but I saw something about Jews, China, US, gay mafia in Silicon Valley and black athletes. I'm skipping this.

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  158. Yep. Not transferring to any Korean colleges any time soon.

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  159. In other countries this happens only in the army... But medical school? That's messed up.

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  160. and why u ask? u know why korean among the highest in suicide rate?bcoz of their stressful life..i love watch korean dramas,documentaries, kpop music...even i amazed with their beautiful actresses / actors/ cute idols...they always show us about their beautiful country ,good society ,respect the elders....how lucky they are as korean...but the fact is in real life,something is wrong with their society...we adore their cute/handsome idols on tv but we don't know so much about their stressful schedules, they work like a slave & they give us their fake smile on tv..but we don't realize how struggle they are to work for their agencies..this is bcoz of their sunbae/dongsaeng relationship...emm maybe my english not so good 4 u to understand

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  161. I'd surelly get in physical fights... there is no way I obey those kind of supid/bullying orders from another human beiing.
    those people in the photos are sick in the head and the police needs to be involved

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  162. I could see how many high schools in the USA have similar systems of seniority, but not universities. A lot of high school seniors definitely think they're the hot shiz on campus, but they're really just full of hot air. It was never like that at any university I went to here in the USA, though (and I'm embarrassed to say how many different universities and majors I transferred into lol). College kids were pretty chill, at least in undergraduate degrees. It starts getting a little more complicated when you're working on a graduate degree, but even then it doesn't seem as bad as this. Sounds a bit like fraternity hazing or something.

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  163. this is too much.

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  164. In my major i never get this awful treatment from my senior, i could say they nice to junior and all but if the junior cross the line they will take an action, not in physical but verbally. On other hand, my house-mate friend who major in Law must through some serious senior/junior relationship. On first month of freshman year, they gathered in university hall after all classes dismished and the senior will give you meal (a proper meal) but if any one couldn't finish their food, the senior will be pour the left-food in one place and all junior must eat all of it, though my friend's friend throw up the senior still let her to eat. Disgusting.

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  165. Poor students.. I think they will also face the same thing after they have graduated. I mean, check out the 1 night 2 days on the news reporters edition as a reference. Of course the senior reporters would say they act as if they are bullying their juniors. But you can clearly see that the junior are being uncomfortable and they feel threatened when the senior forced them to give hints to them. Even joonyoung doesn't feel good when he saw how the juniors are being treated

    In short, such behaviour should stop.

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  166. TEAMBisMINE❤️April 19, 2015 at 4:31 AM

    Maybe it's just how I was raised, because first and foremost you have to EARN my respect by the way you treat me and others around you. I don't know what type of person you are, and I'm sure as He'll not gonna humble myself at your feet just for being born before me. Like WHOOP-DE-DO your old, so WHAT?!? Age doesn't mean anything, it's how you spend your time on Earth that matters.

    Anyway I never really understood the mindset of total obedience some Asian cultures have base on a persons age.

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  167. I wouldn't fit in in a korean college setting. I'd tell these people to fuck off.

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  168. sorry but this is sick. it is nothing but bullying. these people look like have mental problems.

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  169. Wonder what happens if they don't follow....
    But the 'weird' thing is all these juniors will probably act the same way if they will be seniors

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  170. Lol what, gay mafia in sv? Where in the world did you get that?

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  171. I read the title as SUPER JUNIOR relationship xD
    My biased eyes

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  172. But...The seniors don't have any power..like, there is no consequences for not listening to an older student, if Im not mistaken? Yes, I get that they respect seniors but isnt it the professors only that actually have "judicial" power?

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  173. We have experienced a period where freshman gets tough treatment. One of them because huge influence of our government. Usually freshman got bad treatment in first year. But times changing. Even a school or university now, prohibits the existence of unfair treatment on new students using excuse of senior-junior. Beside that younger people knows better that when we want get respect we should gain respect itself with how we should behave, doesn't matter they are younger or older people.
    There's no right to treat other people whatever they want just because they are older.
    I know, you can't just change your society just like that. But at least when you know how it feels treated badly by your senior, I hope you won't do that to your junior :)
    You have such a great mentality. Be strong :)

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  174. I hate girl act like that. I used to have one year senior in high school and she act like that. Totally bit*h and half of school didn't like her at all.

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  175. Bullying using an excuse of seniority ..

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  176. as if the senior is the one will give them marks, n will fail them if they didn't treat the senior well.

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  177. Yeah, like damn, where is your dignity??

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  178. No wonder suicide is highest there.
    Tips of iceberg.

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  179. That's really worth leave them a black mark in their face

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  180. Well at least it isn't crazy Jon Hamm level hazing.

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  181. And these kind of things make me think its just social engineering to produce obedience and compliance. Somehow in the junta days, they make a whole society like an army culture. Its freaking effective.

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  182. I was curious about law major...

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  184. PETAL ·‥…─━★April 19, 2015 at 6:15 AM

    why do the juniors obey?!! just because everyone else is obeying doesn't mean i should obey too... and what the professors are doing? there should be strict rules regarding this thing in each college

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  185. In the college I came from seniors are too busy trying to graduate to even care about the juniors.






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  186. They would think twice before making me do anything like this. I respect those who respect me (mutual understanding...no reason to start a convo with, "I'm older than you so..."). Fuck off.

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  187. i think seniors with this kind of attitude has some low self esteem or some personality complex, and they feel threatened by juniors "oh no, he might become successful and surpasses me, that shall never be". Idiotic how this kind of culture exist, instead of teaching generations to be respectful toward each other whether he's older or younger, they're turning seniors into iljins bullying juniors and hurting them... A college is a place where you build yourself not destroy it =='

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  188. so there's same issue between SK and Indonesia about Senior-Junior relationship in a HIghschool or even University

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  189. Last time I checked the seniors aren't paying my tuition.

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  190. yeah but that's the thing, while koreans actually do the stuff seniors tell them "most" other people wouldn't give a fuck.

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  191. Thats kinda odd, is it similar too hazing? Or is this all the time? I was looking in to studying abroad, possibly in Korea. Does this happen in a lot of the schools?

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  192. Well, a lot of Kpop fans and fans of Korea's pop culture don't realize that Korea is not what it seems. It's silly to think so. It's just like watching movies of NYC or LA and assuming that life there must be so fun and great. You shouldn't take what you see in a movie to be serious unless it's a documentary, but even some of those could be fabricated. Some Kpop fans are already awake and know that korea is not a fairy land. More need to wake up so they aren't disappointed when they visit.

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