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Saturday, February 7, 2015

[Nate Poll] Should a 'Netizen Investigation Unit' be established?


Poll: What are your thoughts on the establishment of a 'Netizen Investigation Unit'?

1. Agree, it will help 58%
2. Disagree, it won't help 40%
3. Other 2%

The debate was brought up because of recent netizen involvement in the investigations for the 'Cream Bread Father' case (a man was hit and killed in a drunk driving accident which led the country on a nationwide search for the culprit. Police initially thought it was a luxury car but netizens from a car cafe inspected CCTV more closely and found it to be a different car which ultimately resulted in the culprit turning himself in).

1. [+191, -13] Netizens are merely netizens, they cannot be the police.

2. [+185, -11] I think we should leave it the way it is now... netizens who are interested can volunteer their services.

3. [+142, -10] I'd be scared of witch hunting and the people's court

4. [+19, -0] I don't think it's right. I know that netizens have helped a lot in solving cases but like the best replies have stated, netizens are just netizens, nothing more or less. Investigations should be left to experts and professionals of the field. Netizens create bigger chances of the spread of false information and witch hunting. Too many risks to outweigh the benefits.

5. [+15, -0] Netizen investigations have of course helped but who's going to take responsibility for the spread of false information and the witch hunting of innocent victims? It's laughable that such an idea is even being proposed... does it mean that our police are not fit for these jobs or are we simply lacking in such forces? We should not be focusing our attention on establishing netizen investigation forces but on hiring better presidents and politicians who can strengthen our police forces.

6. [+11, -0] Netizens have no sense of responsibility. Once people can hide behind an anonymous name, all sense of truth disappears.

7. [+10, -2] Honestly against it. If they do go through with it, they're going to have to make it so that every netizen has to connect their account to their name and face. So many netizens have done crazy things behind anonymous accounts.

8. [+8, -0] Netizens should be able to help voluntarily. They should not be given rights.

9. [+7, -0] This topic is even up for debate because police distort the truth so much and it's become harder and harder to trust our police forces. Even the 'Cream Bread Father' case, the police are the ones who were investigating the wrong thing.

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241 comments:

  1. There are so many things wrong with this idea, why is it even up for debate? It's like the dream of all sasaengs!

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  2. Netizens have no sense of responsibility. Once people can hide behind an anonymous name, all sense of truth disappears.
    True

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  3. Though I do think Netizens are amazing in the way they look at detail,

    [+191, -13] Netizens are merely netizens, they cannot be the police

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  4. I've witnessed to much witchhunts to agree on this.

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  5. Youre dumb if you give them that kind of power. It's already good that theyre using their internet skills by voluntarily helping others. Let's leave it at that. Or just give them rewards, something like that.

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  6. I mean they can help in someway, but that's pretty much it.

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  7. If netizen were right 100% all the time.... lmao but we all know it ain't like that

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  8. This sound a little immature .
    I mean some of them might use it in a wrong way and i already hate how the investigate idols life .
    this could encourage them

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  9. I wouldn't make a Unit but I would make a special kind of forum where people can ask stuff because the Law and Order in S.Korea is pretty fucked up.

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  10. This will be a nightmare if it ever gets passed

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  11. It's it about kpop only tho it's about daily life incidents in Korea not kpop idol is dating and the other is sniffing

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  12. Yeah, especially since they'll be like those "know-it-all" type of people.

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  13. I didn't imply kpop only though. Just sassing behaviour in general. If someone is obsessed with seeing a person go down, they can make it happen if they are given the power.

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  14. This is a big no. Ever heard of the Zambardo's Prison study? What if they think they have power and know it all.

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  15. That gif scares me every time.

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  16. [+191, -13] Netizens are merely netizens, they cannot be the police.



    i agree with this comment. It is cool that netizens can catch things like that but at the same time they aren't police. They are merely people on the internet.

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  17. Either way, the idea of giving netizens the power is just so wrong. They can be like those know it all type of people. It's just too much of a dangerous move.

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  18. I am Korean....and this is the scariest bloody idea I've heard in my life

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  19. Nope, just allow for evidence cultivated by them to be admissible under scrutiny.

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  20. When I saw the title I thought it was going to be something about protecting against cyber bulling.. They should do that instead.

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  21. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 7, 2015 at 5:13 PM

    Can only lead to bad, imo. Reddit users believed they found someone who was guilty of a crime (a serious crime, I remember. I think murder?). They harassed that person and leaked all of their private information. They turned out innocent. Although I think internet users can be pretty detective worthy at times, it's too easy for people to be wrong but unleash brutal mob justice. Not worth it.

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  22. It's too late for me to afraid.

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  23. Fawk no, that power can easily go into the wrong hands and be tampered to set someone up.

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  24. I thought they meant for gossip and other stupid stuff, but serious police cases? I don't think so.

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  25. It can be done for missing persons, distributing their missing poster via social networks

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  26. They already think they have power imagine what will happen if they are given this investigation unit. Imagine all NB users getting this, thats how it will be like.

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  27. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 7, 2015 at 5:16 PM

    Didn't someone say on NB that being a detective or private investigator is a common job in Korea? Don't know if that's true but it would explain how a lot of netizens are seriously skilled at investigations. Otherwise, it's still a bad idea.

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  28. The same people who call someone an iljin based on a PANN post with no proof in charge of law? No thank you.

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  29. The problem with netizens is that they’ll cover for oppa if he is involved,btw this is totally crazy,it could make a good drama the N-team

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  30. http://25.media.tumblr.com/811da4762c0230fd5d3e24ee002bbf0c/tumblr_msgved3UD51s751i1o1_250.gif

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  31. if there is even a debate it means that the police sucks

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  32. Maybe they should be enforced only in "special cases" ala Lee Santa, Clara, Enes ...etc.

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  33. Giving so much power to anonymous people is not really a good idea.

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  34. This. Have they forgotten what happened to Tablo? I'm sure that netizens would be helpful in a lot of cases but, let's be real, there will be more witch hunting and speculation than anything. If someone truly wants to investigate cases, go become a detective or something.

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  35. Wtf? No! And why the heck is this even up for a debate?!

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  36. I thought being a private detective was illegal in korea: /www(.)thekoreanlawblog(.)com/2013/06/private-detectives-tattoo-artistists(.)html

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  37. https://33.media.tumblr.com/7f6bc156a12303368f1863029559c50d/tumblr_ni1o85qtsV1qdxrpuo3_250.gif

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  38. Since i being kpop fans..i'm always amazed by knet.Their hawk eyes is so Daebak...but onve again.Netizen is just Netizen.Maybe they can help solving some problem.but just it.no more.

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  39. http://31.media.tumblr.com/0cfe2d0e556aa2b2bbf365af2d092cc0/tumblr_mtzwn983ax1qdtdy1o1_1280.png

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  40. ^ If you were wondering (Which I doubt you guys were) yes that's my comment above...I deleted it because I couldn't really pinpoint exactly what the op was trying to say, but I was specifically reffering to that group of people that are against me. That's why I said it's too late for me to be afraid, because people think their duties within their fandom is to act like authority against me and a few other people...Sorry, just wanted to clarify that...

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  41. MyFaceAtAllTheTryHardBullshitFebruary 7, 2015 at 5:33 PM

    I think the police should themselves train and establish an internet investigation unit. Netizens are accountable to noone. I wouldn't trust them, especially incases where there are likely chances of people just looking for evidence that confirms their own narrative.

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  42. If some people like investigating so much, then they should join the police.

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  43. If you're gonna link something, do it properly please.
    http://www.thekoreanlawblog.com/2013/06/private-detectives-tattoo-artistists.html

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  44. same reason why there are debates about abortion, ppl just love debating

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  45. museoweo, museoweo !!

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  46. that would Violate my freedom of speech


    http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/russianpastafortherussians/images/c/c2/Trollface_17-403125921.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130907222819

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  47. Pfft. Some of them already act like they're on an investigation team, lol. But not in a positive way.

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  48. Not sure if this is the case you're thinking of but I remember that they thought they figured out who the Boston bomber was, which just resulted in an all out witch hunt.

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  49. http://33.media.tumblr.com/ef13430032d9bf011d976d139c9e6d51/tumblr_mw0h54bsLQ1r6qguso1_250.gif

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  50. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 7, 2015 at 5:40 PM

    Weed is illegal in many countries but a lot of people smoke it. Private detectives may be illegal but that doesn't mean they're underground. On a side note, wtf to tattoo parlours and chiropractors being illegal in Korea.

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  51. Nah man. This can create a turn of events and become an uncalled for witch hunt. Pretty sure someone will get framed one day if stuff goes messy.

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  52. also please establish 'Get A Life' unit

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  53. Obviously it's a bad idea. Just look what happened when Reddit tried to figure out who was behind the Boston Marathon bombing and ended up getting someone innocent suspected of blame.

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  54. bad idea. it's fine as is now with netizens chipping in from time to time lol

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  55. Cyber bullying is illegal

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  56. NO!!! they should improve their police work first

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  57. Whenever I link things my comments get flagged and deleted that is why I put the brackets in. Sorry for taking seconds of your life you will never get back but thank you for making it more quickly accessible for others since I am unable.

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  58. It would better serve their time to put more funding into their (private or public) investigations unit and police task force.


    Like the top comments said: who's going to take the responsibility for the spread of FALSE information? If we have police forces assigned to a case and they somehow f*ck it up and do more damage than solving the case then we can put the liability and blame on them. But it's harder (or impossible) to do that when you trust anonymous internet users. Their ISPs won't even be tracked if they use proxy servers and VPNs.


    It's foolish to trust posts made on the internet if you can't see or be certain of which type of posted it. There are psychopaths on the world wide web that are able to masquerade much better than in-person because you can't see their body language, just a screen with some words on it.

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  59. i just read Tablo's story and wow poor guy! What jealousy can do to people, man...

    https://alumni.stanford.edu/get/page/magazine/article/?article_id=40913

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  60. I know but technically still illegal so a (good) lawyer could potentially argue that evidence gained by netizens as being from private detectives and could undermine its value in a case (or even throw the case out which happens with the evidence it is based on is called into question) which would make their involvement redundant unless the law on private detectives is changed.
    Tattoos I believe its gang related (same reason if people have too many tattoos they can not go in the army).
    Chiropractors....not sure if that is brothel related like massage parlours or perhaps issues with alternative therapy (here is a blog which explains it: brumskeptics(.)blogspot(.)co(.)uk/2011/07/south-koreas-medical-professionals(.)html) But in short, I think its just a case of concerns of ill-trained practitioners.

    (I get the (mildly ignorant admittedly) impression S.Korea's approach to certain topics is rather than get evidence based reasoning and figure out the difference between harmful and reasonable or have more training, knowledge, administration and other management on subjects and education to understand the details of things they would rather put everything in the same bin and ban it all- or have that as much as possible. Straightforward and simple. )

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  61. It sounds like a good idea in thought, but if it came to reality then everything would just be a huge mess

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  62. So, will you pay them? This still need to be registered and interviewed officially because you don't want someone random trying to act right but in the end its a false fact which will ruin somebody life then we can't ask for responsibilities because they can easily gone just like that and immature teenager could join it easily, please just keep your head clear before saying something like that because well someone or some grup of people will take this seriously then trying to make it true because they're a fan of some detective and reporter theme-like drama so its look so cool!

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  63. Don't worry!!

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ed/e7/02/ede702ee0b18f1b085b8cc2724ad1231.jpg

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  64. Sure some netizens have amazed me with how they can investigate things, but they are just netizens. Just leave it to the police. Sometimes netizens can be helpful, but sometimes they can spread false rumors too.

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  65. the only links that get deleted are ones for kpopkfans.
    I guess you're just unlucky :/

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  66. Her hair looks quite healthy for a creepy ass ghost, what conditioner does she use?

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  67. the fact that 58% of them agree for netizen investigation unit is scary tho.. I mean what would they do? assuming?

    http://875357559f655c0fd9842374.eventingnation.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/I-m-praying-that-you-re-joking-trolling-_f76c9c1c5caed775af268a0df44b1b9e.gif

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  68. Voluntarily finding something is okay, but to form an actual unit for this would only lead to bad things. Although reading comment #9 makes me realize how many people feel about the police department. If many citizens feel as if they're not doing their jobs properly then I can see why this would even be brought up. I still believe that perhaps they can elect better officials to handle their police force.

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  69. Yes. They can find out who killed Biggie and Tupac.

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  70. Why you gotta be so rude, tho? It is annoying to remove parenthesis, but I'm sure that if we're browsing nb it's because with have some time to spare :'D

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  71. as much as some netizens are amazing with doing this like in that case, no way there should be an unit like that. with the amount of false information being spread in the net, i feel like they need more specially trained policemen to catch people spreading rumors, not the thing suggested.

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  72. I say yes, it will help in the long run.

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  73. I thought of this but reading their comments I realized that netizens should be able to help voluntarily as most of them are really good with these things. The police also are not really doing their best nowadays. You cant really tell your kids to trust the person in the blue uniform anymore.

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  74. Nope, nope, nope, I disagree with everything. Do not establish a formal witch hunt unit in where one "rumor" or bad case can destroy a person's entire life. There have been instances where good things have come from netizens, but overall, there have been instances where netizens hamper the actual investigations or make up "facts" (cough T-ara scandal cough).

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  75. What a bad idea. Who even come out with this poll.

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  76. Jenizz | pinkcrownFebruary 7, 2015 at 8:15 PM

    3. [+142, -10] I'd be scared of witch hunting and the people's court



    But well.. considering that the police / politics in Korea are.. slightly.... corrupt.. hm :/ not that big of a difference tbqh.

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  77. "1. Agree, it will help 58%'" REMEMBER WHEN SPOON SCANDAL (CHANGMIN X VICTORIA) :P

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  78. yep it was a student at Brown University, and he committed suicide shortly after :/ though i can't remember if the suicide was definitively linked to the Reddit accusation.

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  79. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingFebruary 7, 2015 at 8:24 PM

    Some mods feel they can get away with being cold/rude because they have automatic power over the users. Not all, but some ~

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  80. http://static.tumblr.com/ebfc10711d7c39f1c51f53d2dc80f304/frwdpnh/65bnb8gr2/tumblr_static_5l5vxmk3vz8kggcsgk8kcwskc.gif

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  81. I'm really afraid of the witch hunt that will ensue after they agree to make this. Like it's so hard to become a celebrity or a person in Korea. Lol. Or am I just caught on this entertainment news on NB? Haha

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  82. [+142, -10] I'd be scared of witch hunting and the people's court

    [+19, -0] I don't think it's right. I know that netizens have helped a lot in solving cases but like the best replies have stated, netizens are just netizens, nothing more or less. Investigations should be left to experts and professionals of the field. Netizens create bigger chances of the spread of false information and witch hunting. Too many risks to outweigh the benefits.



    Yeah, especially if netizens are only middle school students. What do they know about law and the harsh realities of life?

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  83. The police don't have a cyber unit?

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  84. For cases like the Cream Bread Father, netizens should volunteer with their help...but a formal investigations unit is just not right...And isn't it the responsibility of CITIZENS to report anything you find in these kind of cases?

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  85. _s_r_kamb_b_s_ °^°February 7, 2015 at 9:27 PM

    Yah remember when reddit messed up during the Boston marathon bombing. They accused the wrong person as they tried to match facebook profiles with people in images from the event and foreign names. The family got tons of hate phone calls because someone who knew it leaked it online as they trusted online users more than the cops.

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  86. it didnt seem that way to me while i was typing it out at the time. definitely wasnt my intention to come off as rude. my bad lol

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  87. and if i remember correctly, during the sandy hook shooting, the media first released the gunman's brother's name, thinking that he was the one that did it.

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  88. Yes, and find my car keys will you are at it.

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  89. As helpful as i think they are at times but i think the police should create something like this themselves

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  90. WOW! easy
    http://dollarduty.com/?id=782

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  91. the police should have investigate those netizens who like to spread malicious rumors about other people or celebrities, specially the so-called "sassaengs", why there are no laws against these crazy and lunatics sassaengs to invade the celebs' life?

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  92. So, the culprit from cream bread father case was not the owner of that ehite BMW?

    there were time netizens destroying someone's/celebrity's life. So i kind disagree this investigation unit. Netizens can make an input for investigations but police cant 100% depending out of it.

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  93. Better they uses up there time to do something positive like this...

    http://dollarduty.com/?id=782

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  94. I say the same thing, better they uses up there time to do something positive like this ...

    http://dollarduty.com/?id=782

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  95. police to chillax while waiting for netizens do their work

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  96. Catherine Jeanne TanFebruary 7, 2015 at 10:25 PM

    Can you translate an article about vixx's Leo? Thanks author-nim!

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  97. From that gif, i think it's a guy with wig.

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  98. I think if it's to stop people from having more Ji Soo situations then that's okay.

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  99. Although this is annoying and awkward, this is not the variety show. A lot of people think this is part of the show.


    Yes, the show does revolve on the same concept but, isn't this part of their everyday news report? Entertainment news about India and kpop. Idols are there so they thought they'd get that in the news about the situation and stuff. This is not what's going to be on the entire show.

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  100. what? lmfao im just telling you my opinion and what ive been i read lololol ure super funny. then u thought ure smarter than iam? please all sm fans got fooled by sm btw lolololol

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  101. wow i thought they were her hands. baek has some really nice long slender fingers~

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  102. err unflattering picture much?

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  103. LOL So agree Generalizing the whole nation seems totally okay when inetz talk about Koreans, but if it is towards inetz, koreans= racists LOL What a hypocrisy!
    I guess there are 837 Racists so far on NB, I mean, if i apply these hypocrites' theory in this case. LOL

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  104. 3. [+142, -10] I'd be scared of witch hunting and the people's court

    Honestly, the first thing i thought.

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  105. You are an idiot with a short temper. the first picture is from Oct 3, 2012 the post was posted yesterday.

    You fail

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  106. Because you couldn't admit you were you wrong you fail even harder looool

    first picture is from Oct 2012
    second picture is from a fansign in late 2014

    you fail at plastic surgery too

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  107. But she was never big to begin with I don't understand

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  108. https://38.media.tumblr.com/4e40aa56409cd6de33c808906639fa28/tumblr_nhdw51LIyU1qa1jq1o1_500.gif

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  109. What's even more ridiculous is that the police and even his professors and the Stanford administration repeatedly proved with all documents (as well as classmates) that he graduated and attending his freaking classes to get his double masters but people still didn't believe him...

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  110. It's a good thing she ate more after her comeback. I realized during the first few stages of her comeback, her vocals were not as strong as they were. But recently, her vocals got a lot stronger. She doesn't need to lose weight at all. She just needs her voice. She needs the strength and energy to sing those notes.

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  111. "honey boo boo"
    "Mwah."


    ew.

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  112. saw her the performance she looks good but different in a good way.

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  113. There are about a dozen underground detective agencies in SK. I even have a list of it somewhere in my computer. They handle mostly adultery and missing persons case. They don't do serious stuffs like murders and such.

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  114. Wow these comments are messy. Anyway, she lost a little weight and the nude manicure had longer finger nails make her fingers look longer. Her hands were cute before though.

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  115. 내 한국 이름은 태양입니다February 8, 2015 at 12:13 AM

    YUP.. I AGREE ON DAT.. ESP SEEING ALL THOSE DIFFERENT GENRES OF ANIME.. LIKE I'VE SEEN EVERYTHING LOL

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  116. i'd also like a nose diet

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  117. those look like my legs though... well gee now i know that i look obese to all the koreans (and chinese) at my school

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  118. Why? what happened with Koreans in Mexico?

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  119. Painting your nails nude also tricks people into thinking your fingers are longer though.

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  120. lol am i the only sane one its a HAND.......

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  121. that show ended as a train wreck but Barney's character was legen- wait for it... -dary!

    http://blog.thestorefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Barney-Stinson-how-i-met-your-mother-20540139-1920-1080.jpg

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  122. 9. [+12, -3] All a singer needs is vocal talents. It's so hopeless how people are telling her to lose weight and calling her fat just because she happens to be female.



    at least one netizen has some sense

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  123. No that was SM before that they were 12 boys kissing sm's feet oh please seosangnim give me a chance. Next.

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  124. And.. Baekhyun Hands. LOL

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  125. CCTV??? Ok SM, keep playing pretend, you cant even pass CJ Ent or Leon (1thek) in power yet and you're going after one of the biggest broadcast companies in China? Guess we won't be able to see any of your artists anytime soon.

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  126. I think they just caught her from a bad angle.

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  127. LMAO!!!! Women's priorities XD

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  128. I expect when I click on this article...we will see baekhyun's hand and I'm right...ha3
    Seriously, baekhyun also have very pretty hand...

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  129. Aha honey boo ew. Mwah.

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  130. Lol all Krishan get fooled by Krishan. Oh you thought you were better than. Uh huh honey boo boo. Mwah.

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  131. how taeyeon, how?? i need it!

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  132. I Thought they already had one witch hunt team since they seem to know everything?? Too many reputations and lives lost everywhere cuz of anonymous accusations...
    RIP cream bread father.

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  133. Still doesn't change the fact Jessica didn't drag SM. I don't care about your opinion or what the Jessica vs OT8 situation. Doesn't change the facts. So bye honey boo, don't be mad that SM will make more bank than you or you're faves ever will.

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  134. Actually he keeps his nails short, but his nail bed is that long

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  135. Seriously honey boo you're long replies about irrelevant stuff is so tedious. You have way too much time on your hands as I thought to type mini essays to defend your delusion. I can smell it from across the internet honey boo your words aren't going to change a thing.

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  136. I thought it's "they're just boring. There's no wow factor about them."

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  137. Actually he keeps his nails short, but his nail bed is that long.

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  138. Oh honey boo boo is my england all you can cRitICZe. I almost cared, but my internet earned masters in england is just as good as your "legal facts" earned by your internet law degree.Bye. Mwah. Oh getting the big mean words out now? The truth got under your skin? Poor baby. Toodles till then.

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  139. I cant really see the difference and think the mani in the 2nd pic helps her hand look slimmer but No one said she had hand surgery soooo we're improving

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  140. http://data2.whicdn.com/images/134657919/original.gif

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  141. am i the only one who liked the first picture more? im thirsty of dorky taengoo. oh those days.

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  142. the angle on taeyeon's eyes on the first picture looks so cute. her eyes used to twinkle a lot before too.

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  143. they also invented apple and google

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  144. 탱팬인듯탱팬아닌탱팬같은나February 8, 2015 at 1:42 AM

    most celebrities suffer from yoyo effect tbh, they starve themselves to death for their cb n ofc during the comeback (or after) they need energy to work (or else they will faint) so the weight slowly comeback. They need a more healthy diet if they want to stay thin, DO. NOT. STARVE. YOURSELF
    anw its such a bad pic of her, journalist is so mean...

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  145. Just read the whole thing. How scary netizens can be sometimes D:. Even his whole family were disturbed by the stress and pressure from the society back then. Don't understand how someone can destroys one's life. And hopefully Tablo and his family are doing okay now. He is indeed strong to go through all that.

    Btw, anyone have the links on the videos where Tablo went back to Stanford to prove he's innocent?

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  146. 9. [+12, -3] All a singer needs is vocal talents. It's so hopeless how people are telling her to lose weight and calling her fat just because she happens to be female.







    If only more people of the society think like this, then celebrities in general don't have to care about being fat/tall/skinny/short/whatever but let people just enjoy their talents.

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  147. Go back and re-read my comment. You'll find that we're basically saying the same thing. I said Ailee is considered an idol because of her promotional activities and the way she's marketed however, she could easily become an artist because of her talent...if her company gives her complete artistic freedom and does not have to adhere to an idol image. However for now, she's an idol.

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  148. It shouldn't matter if you're talented or not. Weight shouldn't be a basis for insult. Why be fixated on something such as petty as weight/appearance.
    "If it can't be fixed in less than 5 minutes, don't say anything" is the golden rule to follow.

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  149. wow where have you been? it's been a min

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  150. Honestly when I first read this all I thought was that SM was gonna pull the same shit they did to JYJ: to blacklist as many "traitors" as they can and prevent from ever working in the industry again

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  151. I love this one!!

    [438+] Don’t come digging for gold in China then. When have you ever
    invited a Chinese actor over to Korea? And you then talk about the same
    stage? China, don’t invite Koreans anymore.

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  152. her singing is too good, they can only mock on her weight.. smh

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  153. Of course they do but their work is different, they aren't there to just assist other units in their cases.

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  154. She's a very talented singer I don't see why her weight matters too much to these people and she isn't even fat. Some people are so thirsty to insult others whenever possible...

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  155. So in their opinion those are the thighs of a fat person? *dellusional*

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  156. WTH is Hand Diet?? Wait, really even hands are dieting? My head hurts. XD

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  157. Shouldn't it be "exercise"?

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  158. To be fair Chris singed up for SM to act.

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  159. Yeah, I actually feel kind of bad for him...

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  160. her hands changing are because she got older and lost a bit of weight naturally, your body changes all the time... you can't really lose weight in your hands from a diet...
    maybe if you did a lot of hand exercise you'd see a little difference but honestly... ><

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  161. It's funny because Lay is more talented than Kris and Luhan, but Kris and Luhan are better looking than Lay, so I guess why they were the most popular members in China.

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  162. She's beautiful! She's at a healthy weight there, and unless a doctor tells her she needs to lose weight or gain weight, it shouldn't matter to anyone else

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  163. How would your hand go on a diet? I think it's just age

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  164. Dare I say, she looms quite sexy like this

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  165. Rude. Every country has individuals that objectify women. Way to lay on the generalizations.

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  166. you do know that you can have swollen fingers and be super slender, its has something to do with water in your body not with fat.
    it comes and goes depending on different factors
    this debate is getting ridiculous so i'll stop talking about Taeyeon.it could be water or fat but idk.
    all im telling you is, YES there is something called swollen fingers, google it if you dont believe me

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  167. tell me your secret!!!! my fingers are long but id like to see some bone LOL

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  168. A bullgarian imigrant inveted it

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  169. But she said she's specifically Korean, not another type of Asian. How can that apply to a Korean American liking Korean things?

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  170. Oh, sorry I am not! But I like her username already ;D

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  171. ⇨★♔DRAMA★SENSEI♔★⇦February 8, 2015 at 5:51 AM

    I would've agreed except for the huge fact that biased netizens can misuse this to sway public opinion one way or another if they are anti fans of a ertain idol or celebrity. Which we as i-fans or local fans will never know, or be able to tell. How would we filter out what's biased and disinfo or misinfo and what's actualy turth?? Netizens don't have enough credibilty for that. Esp. as how many if not most asre so overly critical of celebs.

    It can be good for fun but nothing that should be official or taken too seriously. I think that can cause way more problems than people may anticipate at tje moment. Just my 2 cents...lol.

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  172. ⇨★♔DRAMA★SENSEI♔★⇦February 8, 2015 at 5:56 AM

    What did they do??? lol.

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  173. Ew yes, that's creepy I wouldn't like to shove water in my forehead lol but to each their own I guess

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  174. suddenly i remember her boyfriend's pretty hands
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJg2q5kCMAAtF71.jpg
    http://img.gurupop.net/u/90f5313ac56d64f9

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  175. Bottom line is that SM loves $. They have recently been hit with the very harsh reality that had they promoted Kris, Luhan, and EXO-M properly in China they could have made lots, and lots of $. All of their actions up to this point have sounded like the actions of a bitter ex who knows they let a good one go.

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  176. junsu_is_my_religionFebruary 8, 2015 at 6:41 AM

    oh sorry
    i just guessed
    I already like your dp :D

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  177. whoever you are thank you. i'm also korean living in korea. the last sentence "think it is perfectly okay to fetishize" it is very true.

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  178. that's a load of crap...

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  179. Ailee has a great voice. So it doesn't matter either way.

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  180. Aww am I missed? LOL. I wish I could be more active but I've been really busy with my work and I was having job training for weeks in a place with no wifi available ;_;

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  181. Haha, thank you, I like it too! ;)

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  182. But my hands are almost the same as the first picture :( My fingers are... FAT :(

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  183. http://www.google.com.tr/imgres?imgurl=http://25.media.tumblr.com/e4ed5aad6c939c39eedf5964fb7c51ce/tumblr_mlb2syNoGL1qzh00so1_1280.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76976590.html?thread%3D13665624526&h=612&w=612&tbnid=_vGQdvvruRotdM:&zoom=1&docid=3sbowu0fphN8CM&ei=DVfXVPfhDsLXaomXgZAG&tbm=isch&ved=0CG8QMyhLMEs

    My nails are even smaller than these... What should I do?

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  184. That scene is my most common nightmare.. Thank you.

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  185. I like my own race guy I don't go for gay looking type so yeah

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  186. Her personality is fake

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  187. I didn't say Japan's the only country though? I guess my comment wasn't clear enough.
    https://31.media.tumblr.com/091b172d0cf17bb9273012929e13b660/tumblr_inline_mzjfmkHMGr1qfmt35.gif

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  188. The delusion that SM is a shady company?

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  189. What are they talking about ? If Ailee's thighs are too big then what are they going to say about mine ?

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  190. A company will obviously make more than an individual, that doesn't mean the individual doesn't deserve rights. The question isn't about every random employee at SM but the management.

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  191. You seem to have a desperate need to stan a company that you don't work for. Employees also deserve credit for a group's success. Even if it's just their appearance, there's a genetic component to that same with vocal talent.

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  192. It's not true that Jessica was blamed because of the friendship with Kris. Jessica was blamed because of her tweet "8 others kicked me out of the group."
    Hangeng is hated by Koreans because he got the advertisement that Korean woman swears in Korean word and Hangeng punish her. It was a hateful advertisement.

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