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Wednesday, August 20, 2014

[Pann] Cover ups in the army

Pann: Army trying to turn a normal family into a makjang

On the 83rd episode of a TV show titled 'The Truth You Don't Want to Know', the show covered the details behind bullying cases in the army. One account was about a soldier who had committed suicide and the army trying to cover it up as something other than what it was to his parents.

The conversation went like:

Army: Your son commit suicide due to issues with his girlfriend.

Parents: But our son doesn't have a girlfriend?

Army: We found his girlfriend's picture in his cubby. Take a look.

Parents: That's a picture of our daughter.

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1. [+98, -0] ㅋㅋㅋㅋ They're crazy ㅋㅋㅋ They think they can pull this off just because the person's dead and can't talk? ㅋㅋ I hope they get hit by lightning

2. [+77, -10] To all the students who haven't enlisted yet... you're going to be divided into units based on your school ties and other connections with higher ups. You guys may think it's decided randomly but everything about you is calculated before you get placed ㅋㅋㅋ

3. [+69, -0] Wow... can't they sue for that? Even if the soldier's dead and can't talk doesn't give them the right to just make up a story like that to a family already suffering from sadness.

4. [+6, -0] What in the world..;; I never imagined this could happen

5. Sigh... seems the army is a place where the powerful are protected while those without power are given no interest even when they lose their lives...

6. Damn... I don't want to send my son to the army ㅡㅡ;; or can I follow him in??? Why would I want to send my son somewhere he's going to get so stressed in...

7. Crazy bastards...

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69 comments:

  1. The army sounds so scary tbh.

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  2. This is honestly so fucking common in the army it's distressing. My dad, when he enlisted in the 80s, he was beaten so badly by his seniors that he didn't wake up for two days. When my dad told me the story he talked like it was no big deal and the idea that it's accepted is so, so sad.

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  3. Just like the governments in any other country.
    Cover up after Cover up.


    Loads of rubbish really. How can they live with themselves?


    More Pancakes!!! LOL

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  4. "I hope they get hit by lightning."

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  5. i feel so bad for these poor souls. i hope everyone there are doing okay.

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  6. this is so sick! don't they have at least a little bit of remorse left? Aren't their conscience hitting them yet?

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  7. The army is so scary no wonder there are always comments saying men are afraid to enlist :(

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  8. So what happened to the case of the dead solider now?
    Did those assholes got punish or it got covered up again?

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  9. the army is a scary place.

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  10. Is there a government that isn't corrupted tbh?

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  11. So annoyed, they make them go to the army but they treat them like this? Are you kidding me? They should shut this thing down in my opinion. Pointless deaths and violence.

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  12. Army: Your son commit suicide due to issues with his girlfriend.

    Parents: But our son doesn't have a girlfriend?

    Army: We found his girlfriend's picture in his cubby. Take a look.

    Parents: That's a picture of our daughter.

    LMAO

    https://img0.etsystatic.com/010/0/7186166/il_570xN.419986258_a0ej.jpg

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  13. i really dont understand how human beings can do that to anyone

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  14. [+98, -0] ㅋㅋㅋㅋ They're crazy ㅋㅋㅋ They think they can pull this off just
    because the person's dead and can't talk? ㅋㅋ I hope they get hit by
    lightning

    i really do

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  15. Army: We found his girlfriend's picture in his cubby. Take a look.

    Parents: That's a picture of our daughter.



    BURNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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  16. Trying to cover their own sorry asses by using a stupid story like that is beyond shameless. Somebody with influence needs to be the ballsy one to stand up and do what is right. Military service in Korea is mandatory, yet they're not exactly making people dig their heels in any less because they're not tackling the issue head on. Grow up and make positive changes before any motivation held by future soldiers withers away. Fucks sake.

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  17. i've heard stories of the army covering up the truth about a death of a solider before (the one's i have heard about were about the American military in Iraq i believe).


    it's pretty disrespectful to the family if you were going to go as far as not tell the truth as to why their son committed suicide.

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  18. So sad to read these stories. So thankful my cousin isn't going thru this in the military

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  19. Thank God im not korean!!!

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  20. I find it so disgusting

    http://gifshost.com/reverse-1236682025_slow_motion_slap.gif

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  21. People need to riot about this(peacefully), otherwise this is never going to stop and might get worse, because nobody is stepping up to try and put a stop to it.

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  22. no they are definitely getting punished. going to jail to be exact.

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  23. Woooow, thats digusting. How shameless can they be? I feel like they just past the torch, one group of recruits gets bullied then they do the same to the next and it just keeps going down the line, like they're petty upperclassmen in high school. No one has the courage to stop that from happening. And you would think that someone committing suicide would be a wake up call.

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  24. So scary. RIP to that young man. :/
    I do not have a lot of knowledge on the Korean army but I do know that the army in my country is very corrupt as well.
    Just one of the many controversies surrounded by it but the American army covers up a lot of rape.

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  25. I want to know what they said after they were put in place by the parents.

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  26. It's not just a Korean thing, things like this happen to lots of countries. The US has some bad cases about wrong doings not just to men but women as well.

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  27. lol more like http://media.tumblr.com/3d48f53c99c22a0fa95439b5cd1f4126/tumblr_inline_mnozp19s0U1qz4rgp.png

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  28. WTH trying to pass off the sister as the girlfriend REALLY REALLY?

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  29. Woww it's ridicilous.how they make up the stories..

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  30. I was talking to my dad about the current scandals in the Korean army because he served in the 80s and he was talking about how his seniors would punish (like punch/slap/kick) the juniors like my dad and the other men who entered with him. My dad said that that was considered normal because it was like hazing or showing that they had seniority over the juniors but he said that what the new soldiers are doing these days is not normal and that these kids have something wrong with them to think that torturing people like that is normal.

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  31. I dont think it's only the government at this point though. Korea's legal system is pretty shit too.

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  32. militaries almost everywhere are so disgustingly messed up especially american ones. the amount they do to hide rapes, extreme bullying/hazing, etc. to the extreme of dishonorably discharging them if they tell. it's just horrifying.

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  33. stop eating my comments :((

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  34. And they complain when celebrities choose to do public service when they can...

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  35. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 20, 2014 at 10:55 PM

    Korean men serve to become strong and fight for their country. Not to return to their family and friends as a cold corpse. What Korean man wants to serve in these conditions? How can I watch Real Men and laugh, knowing that soldiers are being mistreated behind the scenes? These Korean men go to protect their country, but it is the country that cannot protect them.

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  36. Come to my country n join PLKN

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  37. omg TT____TT i cant even endure pain when my toenail hit something, to get beat up & stay silent....

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  38. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 20, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    Ikr. What sane Korean would chose to be a regular soldier when they had a better option?

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  39. omg fuck HAHAHHAHA that's just summer camp hahahahah

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  40. I think this person meant thank god they're not korean so they don't have to go to the army for 2 years. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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  41. Any systems in most countries are shitty full stop.There will always be corruption. Which is completely fucked up

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  42. Yeah protesting is a good way to start. The only way to fix the corruption is through peoples power.

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  43. I just love how bloodthirsty knetz are. It's great.

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  44. When celebrity recruits issue rose, the army went into full investigation mode, but with these bullying allegations, they are pretty quiet. It's sad to think that these young men had no where to turn to because the issue is not just a selected few but as the culture in general.
    It's when things like these comes out that you can understand why some people don't want to go to the army and some wanted to join the celebrity recruits, they may have not known how bad it was but they knew enough to know its tough.
    I'm not too worried about the idols, since I think Idols and celebrities would be safer in the army compared to the normal solider, they have their agency's standing behind watching out for their wellbeing and the agency's at least have some power to be able to see them instead of these normal men who are cut off from the world and tortured until they take their own lives.

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  45. I heard stories about the Commando Unit and its more horrible...like they torture you as part of the 'loyalty training' and recruiters die all the time there because some recruiters can't handle the torture and dies during the training session...

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  46. That's just wrong..

    But then again ' There's wrong and then
    there's army wrong '

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  47. Another thing that's common is the abuse female soldiers deal with in the army too. My friend who went to army training camp was nearly raped by a Sgt. of a different division but she didn't report it (all her trainees - guys and girls knew she nearly was because they saw him) but, none would report because it could jeopardize her position in the army...


    Fucking sucks.

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  48. exactly. it always has been. the higher ups will do just anything to maintain that power.
    plus most of the corruption in many countries happens behind closed doors, they do their best to hide it from the public. it's just really sad.

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  49. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 20, 2014 at 11:03 PM

    Well, trying not to generalize here but Korea has a large problem with bullying. I think it's due to the whole "senior has the power" mentality. It's easy for people to abuse that power. And also conscription for the army.

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  50. I remember I was watching a show where a female soldier got raped and she wanted to take it to court but she dropped it in the end because the higher-ups were making her life harder because of it. I just don't understand the logic but hopefully they get what's coming to them.

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  51. im glad i dont have to join plkn. none of my family members had to. now im wishing my younger sisters dont have to as well. such a waste of time imo.

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  52. Army: Your son commit suicide due to issues with his girlfriend.

    Parents: But our son doesn't have a girlfriend?

    Army: We found his girlfriend's picture in his cubby. Take a look.

    Parents: That's a picture of our daughter.

    Army: FML

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  53. just because there are bad things everywhere doesn't mean one place can't be worse than another. Korea is at the bottom of the barrel.

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  54. Exactly. As a matter of fact, there was Danny Chen, an american army member, who was being abused in the US Army who committed suicide and ever since that happened, the US army not only charged the 8 soldiers involved, but also requires check-ups about any bullying or abuse and it must be reported.

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  55. i once watched an episode of "Mayday" (show about plane crashes and their causes and such) and in that episode it was a korean plane and the pilot did something wrong but the co-pilot didn't say anything because he was his senior (apparently a lot of korean commercial pilots are formal air force pilots and the pilot was not only much older then the co-pilot but he was also had been a much higher rank in the air force) and the plane crashed and they died... :/

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  56. Honey, as long as humanity exists on this planet, there will always be corruption and conflict.

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  57. there definitely isn't but some governments are less f*cked up than others...... Take Mugabe's Zimbabwe vs. South Africa, one takes all the aid money and keeps it, chances out all the white and brown people(they were the wealthy and successful ones), starves his country, life expectancy at 46 but still nothing. And South Africa is like a lot of countries.

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  58. This is one of those articles that deserve the public's attention with zillions of comments .. they should be creating the fuss they make with celebs to pressure the army to investigate all this... its sad they want to hypnotize the parents going all "your kid had a gf!! thats why he did what he did!" if they wanna write makjang they can go to sbs,mbc or kbs to work lol...

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  59. now this is unpleasant. to avoid saying the truth. anyone wanna wish the officer's death? you may now...

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  60. What a sick place, they dared to make up a story like that?
    No wonder Korean families worry so much when their sons go for their military service.

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  61. ......these ppl go to the army to train and protect their country and possibly give up their life for their country.....but this is how they get treated and how their families get compensated i just--

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  62. you do know that the us military is still corrupt and abuse is rampant, whether it's sexually, physically, or mentally.
    much of the shit that happens is hushed up and even if the victims do report it, not much happens. do you not see all the horror stories that are still being leaked today???

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  63. what i find sad is how seniors treat others like wow.... whats the purpose of it? i also hear many stories of soldiers who are considered "pretty" and get harassed... thats disgusting but they deal with it because what else can they do? it's sad that a place that ALL korean males HAVE to spend 1 years in is so disgusting and unsafe in many ways

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  64. USA and other countries also have a large problem with bullying. I'm just saying don't just put one country in this bubble while many other have the same problem

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  65. It's still very much corrupt. There cases where women are raped and nothing is being done for them also there things like racism.

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