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Tuesday, February 18, 2014

[Pann] Problems of each agency

Pann: Problems of each agency

SM: Treats fans like they're only good for their money. Treats f(x) like an invisible group (never gets their own concert). Acts like their singers are gods (doesn't let fans hug or shake hands with them at fan signing). Yoo Young Jin's songs.

YG: Tryhard song titles. Always postpones comeback dates. Yang CEO's obsessive image making.

JYP: They're good at planning groups and supporting them in the beginning but that support falls off/isn't maintained later in their careers. These days, it doesn't even seem like that's working with Got7. Also randomly sends a top girl group overseas. Has been years since we've seen 2AM.

Cube: Media play? Might as well be up to the fans to promote the artists. They have a lot of artists to manage but still try to debut more. Korean fans < international fans.

1. [+234, -15] Damn SM and them thinking their artists are holy beings; I think that's part of what makes the sasaengs crave them more

2. [+231, -17] Cube.. ㅠㅠ They brought in someone new to manage things since Hong Cube is sick but ever since then, they've been sending B2ST to Japan, no media play for BtoB's comeback yesterday at all ㅠㅠ Minhyuk oppa even broke a new record at IAC and got MVP but no media play for that either ㅠㅠ.. They used to media play so much at first but now it's like... please, just do some!!! And stop sending B2ST to Japan. Give them a Korean comeback ㅠㅠ Love our Cube fam though ㅠㅠㅠ

3. [+210, -19] I have too many problems with SM ㅋㅋㅋ I could write a thesis on it... several A4 pages longㅎㅎ

4. [+71, -1] SM's improved a lot since JYJ broke through ㅋㅋㅋ Back in the day, they were just money machines

5. [+69, -0] I wonder if Cube even has a promotion team... so frustrating watching them work. B2ST's How to Love was only on broadcast once and ranked at 100 with no follow-up promotions. Kikwang's drama was even canceled so I thought they had something big planned up their sleeves for them but what do you know.. they ship them off to a Japan tour... They also hold more fanmeets in Japan than Korea. B2ST celebrated all of their birthdays and anniversaries over there too. Please promote your artists more and stop sending them to Japan.

6. [+62, -0] Another one of Cube's problems is that they keep sending idols who still have a long way to go in Korea over to Japan. B2ST, BtoB... they need to build more public recognition in Korea still but B2ST is in Japan and BtoB is in SEA. I feel so bad for BtoB.. So much talent and charms but nobody knows anything about it.. They need more Korean promotions.

7. [+61, -1] I want SM to please just sue some people. YG and JYP are so quick to sue inappropriate behavior but SM... it doesn't matter if you sexually harass your idols or anything, they stay quiet. It wasn't until the fans started reporting on the anti cafes that articles came out about them; There are funeral pictures and false rumors being made about their own idols and they don't give a damn about it.

8. [+56, -5] I really hate how SM treats their artists like gods. They act as if their artists are the only special ones.

9. [+54, -0] Cube doesn't do any promoting. Their only type of promotion is tweeting a few things and that's it. If you're not on Twitter, you have no idea about anything that's going on with their artists.

10. [+49, -0] Damn right about SM's god complex. They treat their fans like sources of income and don't allow any type of interaction between fans and the artists.

11. [+40, -3] I don't care about SM using Yoo Young Jin's songs but they really do treat their artists like gods;; We're the ones pouring money into you, why can't we hold your hands once?

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297 comments:

  1. YAS CALL SM OUT ON THEM MISTREATING F(X)

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  2. These are all so true, especially SM. Can't even deny that one.

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  3. hard to blame SM for not promoting f(x). have you seen their latest performances?

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  4. YOO YOUNG JIN COMPOSING SKILLS SUCKS BIG TIME ..

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  5. The ones about yg and jyp are accurate as fuck

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  6. "Acts like their singers are gods (doesn't let fans hug or shake hands with them at fan signing)."



    i've seen plenty of both (for snsd at least)? even then don't see the big deal, a fansign shouldn't be a petting zoo.

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  7. /whispers i actually love yyj's songs/

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  8. i get you but why would a group work hard if they get no reward for it? it's not that they can't perform well, it's just there's no reason to anymore. Watch their Pinocchio lives if you don't believe me

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  9. i think one of the reasons SM seems to treat their idols like gods is because of sasaengs though. i mean, remember what happened to yunho and the glue? i think ever since then, SM really stepped up and started protecting their artists more. technology is so advanced these days, and people are getting weirder, so it's hard to predict whether a fan is sane or not, and what kind of harm sasaengs can bring to idols...

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  10. YG: Tryhard song titles. Always postpones comeback dates. Yang CEO's obsessive image making.

    I don't know what the most annoying between Yang Hyun Suk's bullshit everywhere or postpones comeback dates.
    What's a title track tho lmao

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  11. It's cute how Kim kilee is under cube entertainment :3

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  12. But i mean, which big guy behind all these isn't here for the money?

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  13. I loved TVXQ's Something. YYJ can still compose good songs.

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  14. 2am had a comeback late last year??

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  15. (I say this as a SONE) People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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  16. "always postpones comeback dates. Yang CEO's obsessive image making."
    I'm curious about k-netizens' reactions about YG postponing 2NE1's comeback date again even when it's just 2 days.

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  17. Super Junior gives the best fanservice despite SM being so strict ^^

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  18. "SM acts like their singers are gods (doesn't let fans hug or shake hands with them at fan signing)."



    They are gods tbh so yeah.

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  19. 8. [+56, -5] I really hate how SM treats their artists like gods. They act as if their artists are the only special ones.

    Change SM to YG and the comment still makes sense ^^

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  20. why is this being downvoted?

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  21. Not allowing physical contact during official events = treating artists like gods???
    Uhm what lol. Maybe is some SM stans weren't so batshit crazy and stopped hurting them at airports and such, SM would be more indulgent. Idiots

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  22. here come the whiners >.>

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  23. 3. [+210, -19] I have too many problems with SM ㅋㅋㅋ I could write a thesis on it... several A4 pages longㅎㅎ



    literally same

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  24. I cant talk about the other companies, but SM's is pretty accurate.

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  25. fans treat their idols as gods though so sm's just right to treat their artists like that lol

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  26. YG is king of bullshit and postponing. I mean seriously. 2NE1s come back has been pushed back so it will match CL's birthday. Why the hell didn't he think about this BEFORE making an official announcement? The more he talks the less I look forward to thing.

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  27. [+61, -1] I want SM to please just sue some people.



    this tbh. i know cray fans bring in the $$ but cant you fucking do something to them to show that there is a line that they cant cross?????

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  28. YG's fault is for delaying comebacks and not keeping his word. If you're going to set a date, don't change it last minute.

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  29. "Acts like their singers are gods" Yet treating them like dogs

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  30. I agree with what they said of SM, they should let fans atleast take pics with their idols ..... unless bitche be crazy so no

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  31. Every agency has their good and their bad qualities.
    Some are just more apparent and bigger than others.

    What's new

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  32. hm but dont forget SM has been treating f(x) like an invisible group even before 2013

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  33. Lol, I'm surprised he didn't try and release the intro as a title track. Would've been pretty easy, the MV only has to go for like a minute and a half.

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  34. CMM didn't make the list? KKS must be so disappointed.

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  35. "SM treats their artists like god"


    I feel like its more like they're treating them like that because of all the crazy psycho sasaengs though.

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  36. "let me touch your hands once!!!!" remember when yunho got poisoned for less than touching hands? some stans are scary. they get a bunch of fansignings and talk to fans, feeling an obligation to physical interaction is kind of weird.

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  37. yeah there would be thousands and hundreds of fans i can imagine how hard would be for them to shake hands, hug them. Some fans might be sick or carry some decease, who knows

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  38. I'm actually glad SM keeps their artists away from the fans. Yes, they may be public figures, but personal space seems like the only privacy they have left. Take that away and I'd probably go insane.

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  39. ༼ ༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ༽February 18, 2014 at 7:05 PM

    It's reasonable (financially) for SM not to promote f(x) since there are more popular groups in SM (e.g. EXO, SHINee, SNSD) and they would obviously milk more money from those groups than f(x) but honestly speaking, I find f(x) a really good girl group and I think it's unfair how they're basically treating them like shit lmao.

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  40. You didn't even state an opinion?

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  41. the cube one is way to accurate!
    shin jihoon? i just found out 2 weeks ago that she promoted her song before.
    roh jihoon? i know because i follow him on twitter
    btob? twitter


    seriously cube, a little promotion and media play wouldn't hurt

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  42. They still sell Well .. Not as Big as Soshi, SJ, TVXQ, SHINee, or even EXO now.. But they still sell well Physically :)

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  43. I think SM not allowing hugs during fan sign events is fine, there are some crazy fans out there & you never know what will happen. I don't think that's SM acting like their artists are gods, it's keeping their artists safe.
    Though each agency has their problems, not one is perfect.

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  44. the problem is that YG speak without thinking. Like last year he said in september that BIGBANG gonna release a single in october but GD had not even started to work on BIGBANG new songs.

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  45. Do u want me to link u to some snsd concert fancams

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  46. the groups you've listed are more popular thanks to good promotions, so wouldn't it make sense that f(x) would also become more popular with more promotions? plus, f(x) have had really good public recognition in the past with their songs, so i really think it's kinda weird that sm isn't promoting them as much.

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  47. umm... YoonA?

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  48. The lacvk of energy started last year and it was only sulli tbh but SM promoted them poorly (by SM standars) since the begining no to mention they were second best selling group last year so they have really no excuse.

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  49. except that sm seems to be promoting crazy sasaeng behaviour. i mean they give exo 2 security guards...

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  50. YG: Tryhard song titles. Always postpones comeback dates. Yang CEO's obsessive image making.

    This right here I agree with. Still waiting for WINNER & 2ne1's comeback...any minute now...
    http://static4.fjcdn.com/comments/+_58ab4137263d38106548f7246a3faf1b.jpg

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  51. YG: NOT KEEPING HIS WORD..LEAVES FANS HANGING ON THE EDGE

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  52. " 4. [+71, -1] SM's improved a lot since JYJ broke through ㅋㅋㅋ Back in the day, they were just money machines"

    this is so true.

    Now the only thing they need to do is, pay more attention to f(x), dont freaking overwork the groups. Do something about their sasaengs and antis(especially EXO's. GDI, theit Sasaengs and antis are fucking creepy)
    And lastly, Please, let them interact with fans more! TT TT

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  53. wish sm wouldnt rub into our faces that they treat f(x) as if they're invicible in their eyes

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  54. i really dont understand sm. exo debuted after f(x) but because of the company's marketing, they rose in popularity very quickly. therefore, it would make sense that f(x) would reel in more cash if they were promoted more.


    /eternally sighs

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  55. YG is worst they didnt even let their artist go on variety shows until 2Ne1 started flopping

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  56. OMG!! I CAN'T HUG OPPA...SM DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!!

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  57. Yeah and like now that he suddenly decides to push 2ne1's comeback to CL's B-day...please think before you speak.

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  58. Guess he'd better add some new random members to T-ara or something. THIS time it'll turn CMM into a major company, this time.

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  59. Yg's mediaplay about the talent of their idols. It's the main reason why ppl think cl is talented

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  60. after the yunho incident i can hardly blame SM for protecting their idols.

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  61. aside from jessica and taeyeon the rest of the group still tries even though their bodies are exhausted and some of them are doing 600 things at once.

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  62. I think YG doesn't think actually

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  63. I thought that not letting fans hug or touch idols was something all companies did. Whenever I see pictures of idols with fans who are touching them (generally putting the fan putting their arm around the idols' shoulders), the idol usually looks really uncomfortable. Off the top of my head, I've personally seen this with T-ara, 100%, and BtoB.

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  64. Meh people like to call f(x) fans whiners but if their faves were treated like f(x) i want to see them. Even 2ne1 got 3 comebacks last year.

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  65. DSP- Lets go of their top groups and breaks up stable fandoms. Manages nugu groups poorly.

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  66. thats just an excuse. hes scared of SNSD

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  67. thats him trying pathetically to hype his groups lol

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  68. Actually if anyone from snsd is lazy it's definitely not Yoona when it comes to performing lol, nice try.

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  69. At least they're not disbanded :/

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  70. it's not the mediaplay that's bad, it's the fact that he's mediaplaying about the wrong idols. he seems to forever be pushing CL and ignoring minzy, even though minzy has the better vocals and is a brilliant dancer.

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  71. what? are we on about the same group here?

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  72. i can see why SM is strict with their groups but honestly, some of their groups (snsd) does interact with fans tho. the problem here is YG being accurate as fuck. less talking, more doing please. tired of your mediaplaying ass.

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  73. f(x) has so many individual activities, but their group stuff lacks in promotions. There's no excuse for SM to not give them more group stuff, it's almost no effort. They're doing really well(2nd best selling girl group), but goodness it's like they're forgotten sometimes.

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  74. lol keyword : "think"

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  75. Fans problems to each company: Treat them like the evil one and their idol are the slave >_>

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  76. How do comments like this get so many upvotes.... They perform fine. Luna brightens up the whole stage, Victoria always smiles, Amber is always lively. Krystal also performs fine. Sulli is the only one that has been performing badly but that still doesn't happen that often..

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  77. "Has been years since we've seen 2AM."
    WTF
    They make two comebacks last year, also JYPE doesn't manage them, taht is BigHit job.
    And GOT7 promos are okay.

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  78. when did he push it back :o
    :(

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  79. I feel like he does this to make fans more anxious for the comebacks but instead it's causing people to question his statements.

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  80. The longer version of Alive aka Still Alive is so good omg

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  81. I see nothing wrong with SM limiting physical contact during fanmeets. Some of the stans are just crazy. The farer they from idols, the better.

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  82. You can't really blame f(x) either, sm could have at least promoted them as a group in japan or china like other sm artists

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  83. protecting artists from overzealous fans, or even just for health reasons, is not something i have a problem with. i've seen a number of fancams where people try to get too touchy-feely with snsd (cupping their face, petting their hair) and it skeeves me out.

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  84. Today http://www.yg-life.com/archives/27872?lang=en :/

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  85. A few hours ago..He delayed it by a single day though

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  86. BIGBANG went on variety shows a way before 2NE1 debuted ya know.

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  87. when was nb taken over by all these downvoting cockhungry virginal messes
    bitch go back to allkpop

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  88. LIKE REALLY? nobody mentions SM's crappy random english insert in a song which makes no sense from any angle?


    on side note i am not really bothered with YG's song title though..

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  89. This is the second time this has been postponed lol It happened secretly yesterday when it was switched to midnight on the 25th now he changed it again but with an announcement this time.

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  90. sulli lol that lazy fox like girl

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  91. Is that just an SM thing? I've always thought it to be more of a K-Pop as a whole thing.

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  92. 8. [+56, -5] I really hate how SM treats their artists like gods. They act as if their artists are the only special ones.
    lol SM artists are probably the warmer that i have ever seen with their fans.
    it's also the reason why they have so big fandoms because they give you a friendly feeling.
    just 2 days ago i was watching a picture of Ryeowook smiling while giving a hug to a fan and shaking hands with them at a fansigning event.
    if they are talking about the fact that they don't let fans jumping on them then hell yeah they're right ! i'm actually relieved about that since fans can be a little bit too much intense sometimes.
    i don't want my biases to be hurt.
    i wonder if sasaengs are the ones writing these comments.

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  93. im not saying they didnt go on any at all..EVER. i think its obvious what i meant..

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  94. For me it's a day because of my time zone.

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  95. nah It's not solely an SM thing lol

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  96. When YG sends them on variety and something controversial comes up, these will be the same people to say that they should just shut up and not be on TV.


    You really can't please anyone.

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  97. Yeah and that's what bugs me the most! I hate it when he doesn't go with his words. It's frustrating to Blackjacks.

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  98. If they only get one promotional period per year they should to their best so they can shine and impress. Plus, what kind of work ethic is that? Working just for a reward? In my book, that ain't admirable. One does one's best even if the reward is little.

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  99. the part about 2AM isn't

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  100. If 2ne1 is flopping, I feel bad for all the other girl groups out there lool

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  101. If anyone's lazy in SNSD... that would be Jessica lol

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  102. BigBang went on lots of variety shows before and after 2ne1's debut.

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  103. This reminds me of that article that I read about fanmeets in Japan. There's a certain Japanese girl group that goes through a lot when they shake their fans' hands because a lot of the guys go to the bathroom and masturbate so that their semen is on their hands when they do the handshake. It's disgusting and I'm sure that's scarring. I think not allowing them to shake hands and hug is a good thing who knows what else crazy fans will do.

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  104. They were so huge, even at the same level with SM.
    Now, I really don't know where they are.

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  105. Well you can understand why.. There was an incident in Japan where a female Japanese idol star shook hands with someone holding his own semen

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  106. Sica is not amused XD

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  107. Because he made that crap up so they wouldn't have to go head to head with SNSD.

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  108. Surprised by the lack of their commentary on YG's stupid habit of delays. He better have everything ready and then announce something. Don't try to rush it.

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  109. Ahhh psychic minds

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  110. I'm not even a Blackjack and it bugs me. He should keep the dates as promised instead of randomly postponing things. Tbh I think using CL's bday is just an excuse because they could have used that as a release date before.

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  111. LOL and his recent love for CL. Postponing 2ne1 album to CL's birthday to make it more special. I mean does this man think the fans are idiots or something. http://25.media.tumblr.com/60409c78fc19f423926555d949e31ad7/tumblr_mzv3quF5SF1revobio1_400.gif

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  112. I mean, the post does have the general gist of JYPE's problems, they have habits of breaking any momentum their artists have for whatever reason.



    As for the rest of that


    1. 2am had 2 releases last year although only one was promoted because of Jinwoon's accident.


    2. While I understand people have high expectations for those coming from the big 3, the only JYP artist that had an explosive debut was Miss A. GOT7 isn't off to a bad start, it's just a matter of JYPE continuing to build and maintain any momentum they gain.

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  113. Sasaengs dont bring in any money lol.
    They ude the only money they have on following around their idols.

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  114. SM need too kick Sulli out of FX and put her into acting

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  115. YGs clever marketing ploy makes me hate their artists more and more :) they have an annoying superiority complex

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  116. actually its worst with sm when it comes to the artist. Sj came and we weren't allowed to pass any presents during the concert and i was like 1 cm away from donghae and i just wanted to pass my painting but couldn't :(

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  117. lol yes watch any performance from the last few months. they r the ones that are consistently bored or stiff when the members who are twice as busy still try

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  118. lol ikr? Twins were separated at birth

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  119. It's a stupid example but I get what they're saying. SM promotes their artists with an unapproachable, unattainable image, while other agencies promote their kids as the opposite.

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  120. No i think someone finally showed him a calendar. ANyway what kind of bullshit does he think this is. LIke does he think his fans are 12 or something to actually believe he is postponing for CL.

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  121. i hate weaboos

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  122. They're suppose to focus on China more, so let's hope this is true. Victoria already does stuff there so why not send the group there & have them promote more?

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  123. [+210, -19] I have too many problems with SM ㅋㅋㅋ I could write a thesis on it... several A4 pages longㅎㅎ



    Same here ... title tracks, how they promote etc. On another note, i see nothing wrong with not allowing a lot of contact with the idols. How many times have artist gotten injured or hurt because of fans. why encourage them

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  124. I was like...




    http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Kristen-Bell-Laughing-to-Crying.gif

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  125. Yeah it pretty much makes people pissed off when he suddenly changes the dates. I think it is too. I really want to know why he postpones so much? This isn't the first time at all. People are saying it's because of SNSD but he has postponed before.

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  126. I thought the no-touching fansign events applied for everyone... I personally don't have a problem with that. I think it's too risky to allow such things.. But even with no touching, they have conversations with their fans. I like that :]

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  127. Have you? I mean, have the people that are agreeing with you actually seen any of their recent performances. They perform just fine (sans Sulli). But people only remember those few performances where they were slacking but they don't perform like that all the time. Vic, Amber, and Luna are energetic most of the time & Krystal does fine.

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  128. Ikr he used to say things like "2NE1 are ugly" and stuff like that and now "CL self written song is too good to be true" stfu YG really. He really does think fans are idiots, just release songs and stop your stupid media play.

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  129. http://25.media.tumblr.com/a575fa94ac1e8694691b552b8dcab96e/tumblr_mznjwgz4Qe1revobio1_400.gif

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  130. Exactly. YG wanted a girlgroup war, SM gave in and postponed SNSDs comeback to the 24th and immediately after 2ne1s comeback gets pushed back a day lol. And then even more 'because of CLs birthday' obviously if he wanted to do it for CL he would've done it before this is the stupidest excuse I've ever heard lol. Even worse than the "data corruption" excuse of Sm lol.

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  131. Throw your bedazzled bra at them

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  132. These are my thoughts exactly. And it's not like SM is the only agency that does this as well. You can tell these comments come from weird possessive fans.

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  133. LBR the only ones who consistently always gives her all is Hyoyeon.

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  134. They can whine all they want. Let them be!

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  135. Honestly, I feel like f(x) isn't being promoted much as a group probably because SM (and I) thinks they don't have much longevity or success together as five. But separately, they have tons of CF deals, way more than SHINee anyway, and tons of solo opportunities. All of my Chinese friends know Victoria. She's huge in China (so much so that most of them wish SM would let her go solo). Sulli and Krystal are busy acting. Luna jumps from musical to musical. Unfortunately none of this bodes very well for Amber who isn't a native Korean speaker, but it's not like they'll be able to stay together as a idol group forever.


    On that note however, they do deserve at least a fandom name and solo concert. SM, get on that already.

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  136. TT I love Hyoyeon! She's an amazin performer ...

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  137. surprised they didn't mention anything about sm and acting LOL
    but most of this is true except 2am did have stuff released(it hasn't been two years and 2am isn't directly under jyp. they are under bighit).


    yeah cube needs to promote their groups better! btob is so talented and m4m (lol what ever happened to them! I hear nothing about them!) G.na! come on cube! your talents deserve more promotions

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  138. I would be really embarrassed if i were in 2ne1's shoes. Like they are gonna get hate for no reason. Plus this move is so cowardice. I am actually wishing that SM would stay quiet and release the album on the same day. Maybe then YG will get his senses back.

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  139. He should focus his attention to each and every member. But the thing is that people have always dissed and bashed on Minzy's looks. She even got plastic surgery on her nose and even with that people still criticize her. Daesung is another one but people don't bash on him as much as they use to. He used to be called the ugliest in BIGBANG.

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  140. lol the gods comments have to be from sasaengs ! they are probably frustrated to not be able to put their hands on their bodies xD
    but seriously i have never thought of SM artists as Gods, they don't play hard to get with their fans nor the exclusive card.
    i think i can speak on the name of every SM fandoms here because it's something we can agree on, they are really sweet and close to their fans.

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  141. THIS. Rainbow, A-JAX does not have songs that charts high. The two are also constantly shipped off to Japan without a proper fanbase in Korea. I haven't even see the girls from Dear My Future. KARA also kind of disbanded because DSP does not give them enough of other projects eg solos.

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  142. SM dumping f(x) in favor of exo is an old strategy, they already did it
    before with The Grace in favor of snsd - it's how SM works they value
    the looks more then the actual vocal talent *sigh* Tho the fans don't
    seem to notice that SM also likes to dump their 'old' groups in favor of
    the 'new' ones and sooner then later their 'new & fresh' groups
    that are 'trendy' now one day will also become 'old' in the eyes of SM
    and get replaced with a 'new product'. In SM not even one group had a
    long lasting career until now coz SM doesn't focus on 'permanent' and 'stable'
    career for their groups. They create a group and milk them until they
    can and when they are to old they dump then and focus on a new creation.
    Maybe it brings SM a lot of money but definitely not more fans and
    sooner or later karma is going to punch them in the face.

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  143. Exactly look at what they do when they get close SM artist attracts some crazy ass saesangs tbh. Look how many times their artist got hurt hen fans got close

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  144. I if you input how she is the busiest member she always still gives a lot of energy on stage, (save a few absentminded performances here and there which is understandable)

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  145. I can only wish Still Alive has an MV... that song is so damn good I listen to it every day.Why can't they just perform that song at least once, it's an epic song!

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  146. What are you trying to say

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  147. didn't their Japan debut get cancelled because there was no interest for their showcase?

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  148. here come delusion sm stans

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  149. yoona n seohyun both have busy schedules outside snsd but they both make solid effort

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  150. What do they mean about not allowing physical contact? lol
    Unless it's official handshake or high 5 event, physical contact may seem creepy if fans touch idols just because they want to. lol

    Speaking of high5 event, I remember fanaccounts saying some SHINee members don't only high5 but also hold fans hand for seconds. I think that were Taemi and Jjong.
    Sane Shawols were also able to talk to SHINee upclose during a prerecording of Everybody comeback.

    It's not just the company who decides how groups interact with fans. The idols themselves have their decisions.

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  151. Everyone knows it just YG"s BS I even saw some sones supporting the girls because they felt bad for them I do too tbh YG needs to get his crap together he's been so annoying lately

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  152. For this comeback, I think it is because of SM. YG announced 2NE1's comeback date not even 24 hours after SM announced SNSD's then YG stated all of this weird media play while using SNSD's name. That tweet is probably what did it & SM delayed SNSD's comeback saying there was "data corruption" *rolls eyes* A few people speculated/joked if 2ne1's was going to be delayed as well then yesterday he changed the date on the original article moving the digital album release back by 12 hours & now he's moving it because of CL's birthday? SM said that SNSD's album will be released on the 24th as scheduled, bu the MV is still unknown.
    Now this may not be it at all, but some things don't add up & if it's just random delaying then this is all very coincidental and nothing I said matters lol

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  153. Star Empire: Pushes back debuts (SoReal has been on the 'to debut' list since 2011), only focuses on the trend, treats trainees horribly, deems individual activities more important than those of the group, ignores international fans, and replaces their idols like gold fish.

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  154. Still bugs me how they only let them perform on inkigayo

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  155. Yeah seriously. Who is managing DSP? Kwangso? Even he pays more attention to his artists than DSP. And what type of company actually break up their breadwinner?

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  156. Here's the funny part SM never announced their new date they just said it will be delayed to MAYBE 2 weeks until they "recover the data"

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  157. soooooo you're saying me going up sneakily up to sooyoung and whispering "unnie, let me braid your hair" as I touch her luscious and shiny haircape would be inappropriate?

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  158. there's a reason why sm won't let fans touch their idols, I mean come on..... it's kinda amazing they do events even with all the sasaengs their groups have

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  159. Inkigayo and sometimes Mcountdown like 2 or 3 times per promotion. Well I understand why they don't perform on Music Bank tho

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  160. He's been hit or miss the past few years but when he does it right, he really does. Most of my all-time fave songs are done by him, so I can ever hate on him, no matter how some songs of him make me go "huh?!"

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  161. i think the fact that they appear unapproachable/like gods is also why they have so many saesang freaks. ppl crave for what they can't get. it's sm's plans anyways, their artists look super popular but they have to suffer with crazy people.

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  162. They forgot DSP who fck with all their groups. SS501 and KARA got screwed over by whoever's the idiot running the company.

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  163. Ah, now that you have explained it all, it does seem kinda fishy. So basically YG declared a war against SM? but SM is also hesitating now. They are both waiting to see who will win.

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  164. You have no ideal....

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  165. Plus does that man actually do any managing in the company. He literally sits around giving out interviews and shit. And are we ever gonna get a comeback from Bigbang? They are gonna be drafted for army soon. Or is YG busy preparing to debut himself?

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  166. So you know YG idols?

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  167. he does though? and realized how painful they are to watch when they're with unfamiliar people.

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  168. Except 2AM had a mini album literally 3 months ago

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  169. oh I have a few things to say about TS as well...

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  170. GD confirmed a summer comeback (If memory serves correctly july) He said he's personally doing the album so hopefully :)

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  171. Yeah, but they weren't really promoted much and didn't Jinwoon get hurt or something & couldn't promote?

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  172. I trust GD more than YG, if he says summer it means he knows album get be ready before the end of the summer (meanwhile YG said april~july lol bye)

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  173. jessica is a joke. long time she's been dancing lazy but now she doesnt even try or even sing her lines

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  174. Lol. I didn't even know Btob made a comeback yesterday! Which I was looking forward to as a non-fan. They seriously need more attention as well.

    "BtoB.. So much talent and charms but nobody knows anything about it.. They need more Korean promotions."

    yeah~ I think they deserve more to be honest.

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  175. SM has a god complex but in return YG has a superiority complex
    JYP could easily be one of the best if they tried a little
    just a little
    i feel like JYP just fell off the face of the earth after wondergirls went to america

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  176. If I'm into K-pop, how can I not know any YG idols?

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  177. "Forever pushing CL?" That only started in 2012. From 2NE1's debut to 2012 the only two people he pushed to the front in 2NE1 is Dara and Bom. It was about time CL got SOMETHING. She hardly got anything to do outside of 2NE1.

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  178. Yeah sure "confirmed"? What about baby Daesung. Why is he only releasing in Japan?

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  179. I dunno if ppl are aware but SM (like other Korean management companies) actually help STALKERS and give them info where their artist will be etc.? They treat it like part of the 'promotions' and use those stalkers to their own advantage and get money of it coz the info 'costs'. It's a well known fact in Korea and Korean fans know about it for years now. You think those stalkers are any average ppl? They are loaded with money and have time to go around idols and even they get money out of it when they sell the 'secret' informations/photos etc. regarding the idols to other fans or tabloids. The corruption of Korean Entertainment seeped out in to the k-pop fandoms long ago...

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  180. it's always the stupid individuals who ruin things for the whole fandom tbh

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  181. So CL isn't talented. K.

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  182. I meant the member being the least talented not lazy

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  183. "acts like their singers are gods (doesn't let fans hug or shake hands with them at fan signing)"

    I don't have any problem with this tbh ◔_◔?
    SM still let those fans talk and give their present to oppa tho ><
    and Yunho love to shake hand with his fan's little brother/son/daughter xdd

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  184. yeah... i think the more and more YG does this, the more unprofessional he looks

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  185. IDK I heard their was also supposed to be a Korean solo comeback but there is no set date yet :(

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  186. Lmao speaking of Hyo

    http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/large/672052ebjw1edmk39mjegg20b407bu0x.gif

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  187. I've seen High-touch events but no hugging.... they actually allow that during events?

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  188. Papa YG really does care for his artist!!!111!! He even postpone 2ne1's comeback for CL's BIrthday!!111!! YG FAMILY!!!!111eleven!!!

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  189. jfc... imagine the sasaengs going to a high-five event with exo or whatever

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  190. 7. [+61, -1] I want SM to please just sue some people. YG and JYP are so
    quick to sue inappropriate behavior but SM... it doesn't matter if you
    sexually harass your idols or anything, they stay quiet. It wasn't until
    the fans started reporting on the anti cafes that articles came out
    about them; There are funeral pictures and false rumors being made about
    their own idols and they don't give a damn about it.

    8. [+56, -5] I really hate how SM treats their artists like gods. They act as if their artists are the only special ones.


    Love these two contrasting views.

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