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Saturday, December 14, 2013

TV: [Spoilers!!!] Winner TV


Article: 'Winner TV' pilot broadcast, how can all five members be so charming

Source: OSEN via Naver

1. [+572, -28] Nam Tae Hyun ㅋㅋ his speech is so chic

2. [+511, -32] Cute ㅋㅋㅋ Nam Tae Hyun's tissue paper, masculine speech ㅋㅋ So different from his fan service face ㅋㅋ Where are the ends of his charms? And Song Minho is so cute... for boys, they're so honest and open with themselves. Nothing fake ㅋ Fighitng

3. [+449, -26] So charming ㅠ Lee Seung Hoon ♥♥♥♥

4. [+157, -8] Minho and Seunghoon were daebak this week ㅋㅋㅋ I think next week, they'll focus on Taehyun and Seungyoon getting closer ㅋㅋㅋ

5. [+149, -6] Seungyoon's beauty shines by the day. Minho's also really charming as well.

6. [+133, -5] Tae Hyun and Seungyoon get closer ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

7. [+140, -13] Way better than the current idols. Hurry and debut~

8. [+129, -6] The reality in this is daebak, especially with Nam Tae Hyun showing his real personality ㅋㅋㅋ

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294 comments:

  1. Modfag just deletd my art

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  2. OMG Winner sounds like Wiener? this is truly a revelation! Tell me more, oh great one!

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  3. lol. Not to be mean or anything, but it really was winner fans who started it, and your comment being one of them!

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  4. I agree with you. But I think there is diffference from 2 shows.
    SHOWTIME' style is answer the question of fans. Every eps they choose some questions to answer. So we feel it too scripted more than other shows. ST like they share their feeling more than make fun.
    YG TV is really reality show. It show their real life, their personality, many thing. IF you want more funny, YG TV is a good choice.

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  5. I don't see anyone here who is more annoying than you. are you going to patrol all winner articles to see if a winner fan likes winner more than exo and you will be defensive all the time for it? what's wrong liking winner over exo? should I hate you that you are liking exo over winner? grow up.

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  6. when people say they hate exo because of their fans they don't mean your whole fandom. They only mean people like you who are so war freak.

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  7. wait you meant here on this article? aah.. and yes my comment is one of them.. but cmon this comparing will be there for long time its like 2ne1/gg fans nonstop compare them also other groups but always is two fandoms not only one who compare them

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  8. of course he got the wrong one, he''l be crazy to admit that the one starting the convo is an exo fan so he went for another

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  9. I don't know what you mean by "making a show of it" though. Simply saying, even in a comments section, that you didn't like something is fine. It's just sharing an opinion, and I don't see why in the K-pop fandom in general, nobody can ever say they don't like something without it being boiled down to hate or even being distasteful. People should be allowed to say they don't really like EXO's show. The initial comments weren't really that bad. I think all the subsequent conversation is a lot worse than those initial comments, that basically just said "oh, I like this show better!" Personally, I've not seen either show... I like to wait for full seasons being completed and full subs being available before I watch K-shows, because the waiting can be agonizing and it's better to watch benge style, for me... So, I don't have an opinion either way. Although I'd like to watch both shows to get to know these groups better; as I don't know many of the members of either group, or anything about them.

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  10. Though I think this comparison will go on for a long time after they do debut for real, I also think it's pretty unwarranted and avoidable.

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  11. Too bad then, I watched episode three yesterday and thought it was hilarious. I don't think there's a good subber left now though so there's that too. I checked the subbed version a few minutes ago done by a new subber and it didn't fully sub the whole conversations but it was fine overall since she did sub the main parts and you'll still get the gist of what's happening.

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  12. it's her opinion, why it's too bad?

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  13. What you said about SM applies to ALL idol groups.

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  14. Seung Hoon's yellow suitcase. You can stop traffic with that Lol.!!! Loving the show already.

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  15. Taehyun is such a mwsculine diva, the rapper line is childish, jinwoo really handsome and Seungyoon really cute... and I just fell in love withthem even more.. qq ♡

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  16. I truly miss Hanbin. :) The mere mention of his name makes me smile.

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  17. I really don't think you know what's going on with my comments and I don't know why you are telling me all of this (which I didn't bother to read).

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  18. I don't think it's less scripted from the last two episodes. The script is mostly just this person do this with this person. I think the problem lies within three points.


    1. They're still getting used to having their own show. Everyone starts off awkward. Even BTOB didn't start off as crazy as they were in their MTV Diary. If you go back and watch the very first reality shows of idols, you'll see what I mean.


    2. It's just not in their personality to be overly crazy to entertain. Maybe I'm weird but I find their conversations funny, rather than their reactions and situations. I think a lot might have gotten lost in the translations like what happened two years ago when int. fans said some episodes of Infinite's Ranking King were so boring while I found those episodes to be the most hilarious because of the boys' conversations.


    3. Who they are paired up with matters! In such a huge group, I think the difference in dynamics between each members will be much more obvious than with a 4-7 member group. Maybe the PD/scriptwriters made a mistake with who they're pairing up with who but they're probably learning now because they found out the almost right combinations in episode 3. Last week with episode two, making Kai go with Suho was a big mistake. The combination of the Hongdae gang was off too. D.O's solo airtime of 11 minutes could have been so much better. The only one that was great was the Hangang quartet who were hilar.


    Maybe my brand of humor is different but I enjoy the show. I mean, I'm not gonna laugh my ass of every 5 second like I did when I watched BTOB's Diary or Infinite's Sesame Player but I'm not gonna base my enjoyment of a show based off of shows I've watched before.

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  19. only wed-thurs timeslot...SBS mon-thu, weekend, daily all terrible and having hard time to reach even 10%, MBC did well in all others except wed-thurs, while KBS always did well for daily drama and weekend

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  20. Are English subs out yet?

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  21. Yeah in Dutch it is also an abbreviation for bra xd

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  22. If you reverse the order, it's my bias ranking in them. xD

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  23. this is the comment section so this is where we r supposed to write our opinions and stuff. and you do not have to care who the person is. i don't care who you are too.

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  24. I think It's 2.9% and playful kiss had lower ratings last year. Lower than prettyman.

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  25. Can I disagree here haha.
    I don't think she's nowhere close to JGS acting skills. All she is doing is tryin to be cute and innocent. While JGS had many more shades to his character in just 8episodes.

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  26. Haha yes about that, it was actually an accident. My username was meant to be one letter because well...I'm lazy but I guess Disqus wasn't having any of it so they changed it to this. I'd definitely change it to JYP's pants if I could but I don't 'save' accounts on here and write whatever for my email/password. Maybe I should next time so people know who I am.


    And thanks a lot, I've been following your comments as well. :) Very thoughtful and very hard to disagree with also. Have a nice day!

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  27. Me too I don't like her character much but It's passable , the most boring character has to be Chou David....The guy and his poor acting -_-
    Tbh I like most of the Girls that give special appearances.

    I love the character growth of Dokgo mate and his faces and his trademark "Yilini" haha.

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  28. not really, these type of articles are usually dominated by fans just like this one, someone translated their first show comments :

    [+1125 -190] Excuse me ungya ungya kk (*this is the funny part when Kris winked. You have to see the video to understand)
    [+1032 -190] kkkkkkkkkkk Kris has overflowing sloppy personality kkkkkkkk ah, personally I really hate seeing bubble on the glass (when you blow the water) but when I see Suho and Kris I was seizing my hair kkkkk ha... but I should study for exam what am I doing right now
    [+906 -236] EXO 600th days congratulation~~^ ^
    [+800 -190]Today was really cute kkkkk I hope next Saturday come faster hehe
    [+355 - 49] Honestly I want to say what mistakes did they do. They are the company's hand: appearing on TV, doing music, dancing, receiving awards. They only receiving awards, but got cursed and their fans mental also.... fyuhhh... Be strong EXO
    [+296 - 38] D.O is sincerely cute

    [+300 - 43] Honestly they are so cute kkkk rather than only seeing their charm on stage, here they were like 20s teenagers. A friendly free character

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  29. song minho!!! i'm rooting for you~

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  30. His smile is the Bomb. He is very attractive wen he smiles than usual.

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  31. You really don't watch this show . Do you ?

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  32. Monday on Mnet's youtube channel.

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  33. Oh I hated that moon embraces Sun drama aswell. I still can't figure out what kinda dramas get Ratings in Korea.

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  34. They remind me of 2pm idol army days.

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  35. Doesn't matter . She postponed her Japanese album release to after the drama. Haha! Which simply means ??

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  36. sorry then
    i though u are one of those fans who can't accept opinions on what their favorites put out and go:'' u didn't like it ? too bad cuz i freakin' loved it'' and then proceed to post a wall of text about how the show is so good and your opinion is irrelevant
    sorry again

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  37. I am reading the comments and exotics just turned this article into an EXO showtime discussion forum among themselves. I also see netizen comments on showtime pasted. They really are all over the place on all idol boards. Dont you have your own fansites or fanboards?

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  38. wow thanks , good to know that k-nets have the ability to give exo a break once in awhile when they normally just feel the need to "shade" exo in every articles even though it has nothing to wif exo at all

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  39. It's fine. I think it's just a common mistake that a lot of people make. Humans tend to read/see things the way they expect or want them to be read/seen. It's a case of prejudice and bias, lumping together individuals because of a common misconception about the group of people they belong to. No harm done.

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  40. TBH his movies were more successful than his dramas in korea.
    I liked his performance in Iteawon and Baby & I.

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  41. Why are u soo pressed ?

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  42. Yes! So sad JGS has loads of cash yet hasn't got a Plastic surgery to perfect his features :P

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  43. YG's cruel in that sense, he establishes his rookies really well, enough for public recognition and a strong fanbase and then leave them to fend for themselves which brings the fans to the end of their wits

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  44. Kang Jun Pyo is the center!

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  45. oh it sounds like future sasaengs...

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  46. No Bigbang had their official debut in 2006 with an album and concert and stage performances on music shows and some variety show appearances.
    Winner has not 'officially' debuted yet, they've just had a survival show, some songs released, a fansign, their own TV show and being BigBang's opening act in Japan. They don't have their own album or promotions yet.

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  47. you shouldn't have brought EXO here, and after you all have the nerves to accuse Exotics to be the ones attacking.
    what did you expect exactly saying Exo's show is scripted and that you will watch this one ?

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  48. Why did NB did a positive dump? I thought NB only did a negative dump?
    I don't think we need a Winner article in NB.
    Winner are still nugus. The ones commenting are just 100% fans.
    Real knetz are still not interested in commenting = useless article/comments.

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  49. the awkward atmosphere of SeungYoon and Taehyun make me remember, seungri and daesung LOL they are just the same. this show is sooo funny love tham all, Mino....LOL

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  50. are u still mar becuz team B lose? get over it!!! they will debut when they are ready.

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  51. don't post we, talk for your self.I needed a a Winner article in NB and i'm glad there is one

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  52. i invite you to click on "oldest" then because the one bringing Exo here was a YG fan ! but as usual you see what you want to see right ?

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  53. exactly ! but never say to a YG fan that they are the ones who did wrong. You know, they are little angels ^^

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  54. It was merely an opinion. If you can't accept just leave no need to hate. No accusation here, it was ppl who were sensitive to the comment & being butthurt abt it.

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  55. actually no I read every were likr this " YG ew group will never superpass exo, they are the new gods of k-pop" or "really YG ? with this shitty group wil u try to beat exo?" etc etc

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  56. Eva CountryBlueBerryDecember 14, 2013 at 7:46 AM

    I really enjoy this drama, it's funny! I think JKS is a great actor, he can make you cry and smile, the character has really been lot of shades! And I really like IU, I didn't know her before pretty man, but I think she is a good actress and she has a really cute smile! I love the story, it's not annoying!

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  57. probably a sane discussion, but hey he won't get one with u

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  58. wtf? and don't worry ''Winner's K-fansites, fancafes, & fanblogs are posting up banners/notices that read "Our site forbids sasaeng activity"
    there is something done to prevent that

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  59. OMG!! Thank you for this post NB <3 Love you so much!!
    I have to say that Winner TV makes my Xmas beautiful :))

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  60. He's the bastard son of a Chaebol... and the eventual heir since his half-brother is only motivated to protect his daughter and not run the business.

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  61. is that Bom? what happen to her nose?

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  62. actually if YG let her he is a musician, she play piano. violin, violinchelo, and just a little os guitar,.... some other said more, she and ehr sister are mutiple are talented on intruments

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  63. Since ratings are solely based on monitoring (2x) 200 TVs for the two rating systems I've not taken them too seriously as an indicator of good or bad.

    Read the article by the Vault to understand more.... if you can find it.
    http://vaultofdoom.wordpress.com/

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  64. yg should make a group with 7 members! 5 members are so bigbang! choose 2 frm team b to add in!!!

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  65. he make 2 one of 6 and one of 5 people sleected the second....

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  66. OMG this is such a big surprise! 0_0

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  67. srsly i watch this show without engsub and still make me laugh so hard epscially when seunghoon cosplayer coup d'etat and he checking the room with his voice HE Hoo~ lmao

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  68. omfg THANK YOU! I'm SO DONE with people here on NB PRETENDING they care about Minzy! Yes Minzy has a BEAUTIFUL voice, but Missing You and ALL those others songs wouldn't be the same without Bom, CL and Dara. But I guess that's the difference between fans and haters; we appreciate EVERY member's charm. I don't see you guys praising one member and putting the other members down when it comes to other girls groups? That's basically because you guys have a problem with 2ne1. It's so obvious lol. Seriously people, stop pretending to care about the least populair member, because I tell you what, if they ever get to be the most populair one of the group: you guys will hate on them just as much. That's how hypocrite some NB are, it's you haters' cyclus. Stop with the whole "underrated" shit thing, because Minzy is very much loved within the blackjack community.

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  69. They were so adorkable. OMG. WINNER is going to do so well when they debut. I'm so proud of how far they came. Can't wait for the subs!~

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  70. I agree. Some people just want them to act like everyone else. The show and the comebacks and the events are happening so fast. Plus, sasaengs running rampant. People should give the EXO's show, and the members, some time. Like you said, the reason why people are complaining is because they won't give them a chance.

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  71. I seriously love this boys. I haven't seen the first episode yet but I am excited. I really can't wait for their debut

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  72. The battle for domination starts in 2014.

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  73. I agree with the whole Troublemaker thing. The whole subunit is one big gimmick that brings down the quality of beast/hyunseung. As if they can't make it without the whole grinding thing.

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  74. Come on now. You can't compare two shows from the two newest groups of the t two most popular k-pop companies because like with most things you have to consider sensitive fans who are ready to take everything offensively.

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  75. The studio version would be good I guess^^

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  76. What tends to happen is that one person brings up EXO, then a lot of fans respond and before you know it, it's a bigger issues than i was meant to be,

    I still don't know what wrong with saying you like one show over another and why it's such a big deal.

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  77. Beiita Martín GarcíaDecember 14, 2013 at 9:13 AM

    Sooo... there's gonna be good voices and no facial expresion, cool

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  78. I need eng sub, I want to see this ep T_T

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  79. okay guys i wanna tell ya something so i'm from indonesia and BH is bra in bahasa . Also TOP's doom dada , dada means breast in bahasa thank you xx

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  80. It has been so long.. Bigbang better release an album in the first quarter 2014..

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  81. I want more lee hi.. that girl has been under the radar for months.. what a waste..

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  82. but Kris is one person.

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  83. Yeeees... it was so weird for me to see him like that.. I fell in love with his dorky self and suddenly he was so serious and I totally didn't understand anything anymore.. glad he's back. :3

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  84. YHS: Surprise bitches . I bet you thought you'd seen the last of me ~

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  85. No it's Harin (CL's sister ) :D

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  86. Hm... I doubt that..l see a lot of love for Seunghoon and Jinwoo as well.. like.. ridiculously much.. I'm an avid fan of Seunghoon too.. so yeah.. If it's like that.. it must be like.. 2 fans difference.. haha

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  87. *applause* you're so....classy^^

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  88. reminds me so much of Daesung-Seungri relationship. maybe that's usually the case with the maknaes o

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  89. smart plan of loen i must say lol

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  90. 3. [+547, -284] We have to watch IU's bad acting again? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Her acting makes my hands and toes curl



    lol is this person is talking about IU from 'you're the best lee soon shin' and this 'pretty man'? because IU is actually good....i laughed most of the time when it comes to her scenes on 'pretty man'...and YTBLSS really showed her potential as an actress...
    this person commenting is just blindly hating on IU

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  91. i think YG won't debut team B next year
    not until WINNER has a solid fanbase
    and if he really plans on debuting team B next year
    that would be war within the YG stans @@
    that I don't want

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  92. Its from the Etude House commercial

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  93. i luv winner and can't wait for their debut songs and album. winner fighting!!

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  94. subs will probably be out in 2-7 days. usually onewomansubs has the subs the day after but since she's busy with school she's partnering up with winnertv, it takes more time though

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  95. While I somewhat agree, you can't deny that Minzy is a pure gem within the group.

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  96. i have to agree....yoochun is BIG in japan...even his first historical drama, 'sang kyunkwan scandal' did well in japan...
    'rooftop prince' is even more famous

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  97. all the fan sites banned a picture which was believed to be hacked from WINNER boys by sesaengs LOL
    we say no to Sasaengs

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  98. no eng sub though
    I watched it and have no idea what the Knets are talking about
    tell me please T.T

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  99. Lol that was me!! I spam a lot at fb..twitter..I am the YG CSI.. Thank you thank you *bow * *bow* finally someone noticed my spam...

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  100. http://fakewinnersubs.tumblr.com/post/69949079705
    this fakesub is the best LOL

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  101. Nah, Zelo probably is probably fourth with the amount of lines he gets. Zelo does the middle part usually, but in all of their songs (especially their non-title tracks), it's practically all BYG. I think his parts are all longer, as well.

    Lmfao I remember when Sistar19's Gone Not Around Any Longer came out and they made a male version and it was weird.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Q8vjzp-jY

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  102. I only mentioned Kris because he was the most obvious example and the one that really threw me off. He would look extremely rude to a non-fan.
    \I'm not gonna write about all 12 of them lol.

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  103. where can I watch with english subs?

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  104. who are "we" @@
    because I always want to know what is knet reaction to WINNER TV

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  105. sensitive fans are sensitive
    applied to every fandoms

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  106. I also saw on this very site that WINNER needs to debut to crush Exo, and it had TONS of upvotes. Clearly both sides need to grow up.

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  107. Is this really true? I don't really know their names but for me Mino is the one that I've heard of the most

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  108. my list
    1. Seungyoon
    2. Seunghoon
    3. Jinwoo
    4. Namtae Mino

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  109. omg i watched twice without sub lol and gonna watch again with sub later

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  110. The ones commenting are just 100% fans --> other articles don't have that too? LMFAO
    Real knetz are still not interested in commenting = useless article/comments.--> some articles only end up having like 70ish upvotes...these ones have more than a 100, at minimum LOL


    Besides, NB gets to choose what she translates XD

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  111. No offense but, you brought up one of the topics on EXO here (on this article). Which is kinda ironic since you're complaining about it.

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  112. Not even that...like it's so irrelevant to bring in another idol group to compare to Winner...I mean Winner hasn't even officially debuted. T_T...seriously people...

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  113. wow winner always get positive comments and exo gets negative comments. i think winner already more popular than exo

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  114. I'm not bashing her. Song Jieun is one of my top female biases, without question, and I love her to bits. However, if you look at photos of her from Magic to even Yoo Hoo days compared to now, you can see a definite change in her eyes that isn't makeup. If it was simply makeup, then her eyes would've looked like that before.
    That being said, it's just eye surgery, I don't think people are bashing it for her. Rather, people like myself are disappointed in the other members for changing such pretty faces so drastically.

    http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6706/secretmagicjieun.jpg

    http://static1.allkpop.com/upload/2013/12/content/Ji-Eun_1386116353_20131204_secret_jieun.jpg

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  115. I didn't really mean you were bashing here (I didn't mean everyone were bashing them really, overreaction), I see a difference, but it doesn't really need to be surgery, might just be photoshop and makeup, I know how much difference make up does. I have nothing against cosmetic surgeries (as long as you don't get addicted) and I respect your thoughts and opinions though.

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  116. I respect your opinion as well. I just think that even make up and photoshop has limits, and I don't think it can really make them look as drastically different as they do for this comeback.

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  117. Actually they did. They denied Sunhwa's PS when she appeared w/ Song Jieun on KBS' Hello Counselor.

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  118. As long as we both respect each others opinions! And even if they had plastic surgery it doesn't affect the song, personally I love it (perfectly suited for christmas) but I hope we will see them fierce and jazzy again next year. TSent even said he will focus more on secret next year.

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  119. Omg it would be freaking awesome

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  120. Plot twist: It's actually Hwayoung, former T-ARA member. Bom's singing + Hwayoung's rapping = Eargasm lmao if only it was true :cc

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  121. music should be about music and maybe 20% on looks.

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  122. In Korea, EXO has many international fans. Besides we can't really judge yet, they haven't even debuted.

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  123. She's stressed it so many times that the whole "Baddest Female" scenario is reserved only for the stage. This isn't even the full post. There's so much to talk about in regards to the good that she's done, like quietly donate money and books to villages and those less fortunate only for the ruthless paparazzi to find out and report about it months after she did it. I admire CL because she sacrifices so much and loves her members and people in general so much. I may not know her personally, but I can tell she's an honest and loving person. Chae Rin is a sweetheart and I wish people would read up information than just go with what others say about her. Her members actually receive more attention than her. She doesn't hog the spotlight like everyone who ISN'T a fan of 2NE1 likes to presume.

    And I really hate it when people like that user use Minzy just to spite the other girls. The Blackjack fandom recognizes Minzy as the best, but if these dummies only KNEW that Hyun Suk doesn't let them shine until around 20/21 years old. He did it for CL and I feel like 2014/2015 are going to be great years for Minzy. Minzy is actually getting a lot more noticed than before.

    People need to be patient and stop using Minzy, because they want to use her as a way to put the rest of 2NE1 down. If Minjas can be this patient, so can they. Hold your tongue if you know nothing about 2NE1.

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  124. Can't wait for their debut ^^

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  125. Stop trying to start a fanwar.


    Exo is obviously more popular than Winner. Winner has not even had an official debut yet.


    I think the reason Exo gets a lot of hate is because they (or at least Kai) was forced down everyone's throat prior to debut giving them both fans and anti's. Also their fans...well some of their fans are past extreme and annoying which also gets them hate.


    Being from SM, EXO is pretty much guaranteed a shot to the top of the idol pile. Having a lot of members gives everyone someone to like thus boosting their fan base.


    I think it'll take awhile for Winner to have a gigantic fanbase. However, they'll probably have the respect of the audience vs the numbers.


    Kind of like BIg Bang vs Suju. Suju has a much larger fanbase, but Big Bang has more respect musically.

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  126. Bom's voice is getting worse day by day tbh. Idk why she's getting so many projects compare to other members. Minzy has improved so much and so does Dara. Bom's the only member that still can't improve anything , tsk tsk

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  127. Same here. I think they've actually gained confidence after winning, and all of the support is just making them stronger.


    I really hope their debut song is not one they used on the show. I also hope it doesn't remind you of Big Bang in the least. I hope they are able to find their own path in YG and add some diversity to their roster. To me, they don't really have to be the hard hip hop type group. They can add a softer touch to it by focusing on their vocals while still making the song catchy. Plus they have an awesome choreographer in their group so hopefully each song and dance tells a story.

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  128. Oh, yes! Everyone says all their sexy/powerful concepts sound like Madonna part 2 but I don't really care, Madonna was the shit! Sexy fierce secret is my absolute favorite. I feel like they're more in their element, especially Hana.

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  129. this show is pretty awesome but my only wish is that this came out after their debut stage in korea.


    one of the reasons that sm artist above all are so sought after on variety shows is because they show such charisma on stage but they're all such big dorky, goofs offstage most especially my suju boys <3 not to start a fanwar but that's one of the main charms of exo's showtime. it really paints the exo boys in a different light...


    however, i don't really know how i feel about this show since i haven't seen their debut stage yet... i want to respect them as artists before i saw in love with them as idols...

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  130. Not to mention Lee Hi probably needs a new album as well as Akdong Musician.


    I don't think 2ne1 will get an album though. Something tells me he's just going to skip over it. He's already missed the timing to have an album with the songs they've released.

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  131. I love the message in Madonna too, "Do everything with style and confidence" and I think they should give Hana a rap solo album, because I feel she feels kind of not wanted and she is the least famous member. I wouldn't really say they are part 2's and stuff like that more that it is the same kind of concepts, Poison and Madonna is probably my favourite title songs of Secret even though their cute stuff is kind of my guilty pleasures..

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  132. They look alright back then, but now look like a bunch of plastic monster, so disgusting. And the dance is so stupid, but i kinda like the song though.

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  133. seeing the back of the other member from the teaser, i can sense some MINZY... especially with mizy's hairstyle nowadays... OMG.. could it be????


    i'm still dreaming, no matter what

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  134. please stop with all the comparisons . .like a group of 5 vs.12 shouldn't be compared. This is an article for WINNERTV y don't we just talk about fun things from it. .

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  135. OMG, yes there is an actual gif of this press conference (i think) where all the other members where exiting to one side and CL was the only one that went the other way .... and you know what she actually went back to push all the chairs in ... like who does that <3

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  136. Calm down, goodness. Why would I choose to ignore Minzy? If I were ignoring her I wouldn't want her to have a solo would I? I probably wouldn't have even brought her up if I were in fact ignoring her. Usually you only choose to ignore people you don't like, so that statement really makes no sense.


    You can pretend Minzy doesn't fade into the background all you want to, but the truth is, when she's on stage with her members, she's not the person most people zoom in on. We all know she can sing, dance and rap. However, for whatever reason, that hasn't been good enough to get the majority of the public interested enough to ask for more.


    I don't recall actually mentioning Please Don't Go (probably because it's not a song I actually remembered), so I'm not sure why you even brought that up. I just watched it on YouTube and while it's a fun song I suppose, I'd hope that's not the kind of song she comes out with (Minzy). That does nothing to show off her vocals. My main point with CL is that she's already had a chance to stand alone on stage, Minzy needs the same chance. Although in 2009, CL and Minzy were about on the same level of public recognition, in 2013, most people would see CL before they notice Minzy if they were together. Unless Minzy was doing something so amazing that it made you look at her.


    Instead of being so defensive try to understand comments that you don't agree with.

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  137. I love jinwoo...he is so underrated..

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  138. True lol..I thought Jinwoo is innocent...But that boy is a player lmao..Being cute with seungyoon..jumps on mino..and almost kiss(?) their makeup artist who is a married woman...So unexpected lol..

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  139. i don't have a problem with that since i kinda agree with the comments made about exo's show time, but mostly i'm kinda upset that i've seen some comments here saying exotics keep bringing up exo in winners articles while it was mostly the other way around if you checked...like the comments brought up are criticizing exo's show and aren't made by exo fans yet people still accuse exotics for mentioning exo, that's why i didn't like that they mentioned exo cause for some reason people are blaming us for it...

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  140. Why are you bringing Exo, or any SM artist into this. What does the show have to do with their debut stage? The whole purpose about the reality show is to show the real side of them to their fans. Everything you said up there is just so messy.

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  141. I think it's bc of the ps.. It's harder for her to open her mouth or move her face.. But I do agree with you that she doesn't sing as well as she used to. I like Minzy and Dara, but their range is not nowhere near Bom's yet. Also, Dara lacks technique.

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  142. HAHAHA I LAUGHED WAY TOO HARD XD

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  143. Honestly. For a group that hasn't debuted yet, they are really popular. They already have a strong fanbase. EXO has alot of International fans, than Korean fans.Being in korea, EXO isn't that popular in Korea as people believe.

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  144. I remember that. She's so adorable. Like if only people could see that she'd rather stay in door and snuggle a Rilakkuma bear rather than party like her stage persona lets on.

    Or when the other members of 2NE1 say that she's the most feminine, and they said she'd most likely be married first. If the Running Man cast can recognize how lovable she is, then so should other people.

    I don't mind if people don't like or aren't interested in 2NE1, but these people need to make sure their facts are straight.

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  145. onewomansubs is subbing it and i think winnersubs is too but they have exams so they said they wont have it fully subbed till like saturday night or sunday. Jeni (onewomansubs) keeps u up to date, you can tweet her if you like onewomansubs.blogspot.ca :)

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  146. People tend to forget that these are 'personas' yea it does have a little of who they are but that doesn't represent they're entire being ... CL is the one that goes up there to give you a great performance and Chaerin is the girl that bows 90 D to even her hoobae's. She is both and not just CL .

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  147. lol we got a new diva in town.

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  148. let's send 2014 calender to YG as christmas gift

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  149. I've been watching 2NE1 TV and YG TV for years, so far I know they don't script the show, the juz edit the cuts from what they have recorded on camera, yg in-house CCTV. But sometimes members might purposely do things for show.



    The things I enjoy most of these shows are I can see sneak peak of interactions between YG artists, how they work on the album and songs.

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  150. there was yg tv too featuring sneak peak of all yg artists activities

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  151. what I got from Ep 1 are
    1. Nam Taehyun is a Diva
    2. Mino is Camerawhore
    3. Jinwoo is a slut too :P (didn't see it coming)

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  152. Why bring up EXO?

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  153. So many ppl in Korea hates JKS and I really wonder why... The guy is a very good actor... Yeah the ratings are bad in Korea but who cares !!!! It sold out to 10 countries already...why??? Coz it's a good damn drama...and it looks like Koreans can't see that yet.. Why??? I just wish someone tells me about a k-drama that's similar to BM!!! There are none... Regarding the heirs we hv seen that story like a 100 times and yet it got very high rates??? Why ?? Does Koreans really have that bad tastes in dramas!! Or is it because they hate JKS to the core??? If he was that bad he wouldn't be that famous outside!!! He's gonna be a world wide star before Korea recognize him and only God knows why... His drama is been watched online from China only by more than 31 million ppl... And this is China only!!! Seriously I wish to know what dd he do wrong for Koreans to hate him so much!!! Did he killed someone or commited a great treason against his country??? Oh I know .... They don't like his hair cut!!!!

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  154. Kang SeungYoon is the leader so expect something GREAT.
    Seung Yoon has a different musical background.

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  155. I have no idea what those comments in the OP are all about?!? The Pretty Man is an excellent drama with some great acting and mending some real life issues. Maybe Korean peepz don't like watching it because the show is actually trying to teach a lesson or two!

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  156. Too many commenters talking BS about this drama just skimmed through the episodes, if skimmed at all.... That is the main problem!

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  157. Maybe you should watch it first...

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  158. That is not sad, that is admirable! He's satisfied with his looks and so are many MANY other (mostly) women around the World!

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  159. still hasn't been subed but people are working on it :) winner fans are subbing it and mnet said it will be out with english and japanese subs monday!!

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  160. SNSD happened over time and not all members at once. Perhaps Tiffany and Hyoyeon had the biggest change between comebacks. But Secret suddenly came back with all of them looking new, very drastic and so it shocks people.

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  161. hell no lol, it's just I haven't seen mentions of other groups this bad really. I'm not just talking about this article too.

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  162. have you seen how stupid and irrelevant some of the comments are? I'm not just talking about this article too.

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  163. Im not a yg group fan, but this sounds awesome! Sadly, all i can see is GD comebacks...>.>

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  164. yeah I see the pattern. it's just with those groups you mentioned, it wasn't as bad

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  165. Where to watch them with eng sub?

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  166. Love them sfm. They NEED to hurry and debut. I can't wait any longerrrrr!

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  167. Eng subs comes out every monday on youtube. Just check out their official channel there~

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  168. Who's the maknae?

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  169. The main point of releasing Winner TV is to see how things are going after winning WIN.

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  170. I actually love this drama.
    Its really fun and cute, the plot is also quite refreshing and interesting...

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  171. YG made an exemption and keep the boys as trainee becuz of how talented they are. He plans on debuting them to.

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  172. speaking of military, i think there's a high possibility that some Bigbang members would enlist once the boy group do well.. oh the feels TT_TT

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  173. Oh God we're not like that O.O

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  174. Yeah.. im a non fan so Idk how to feel about Kris when I watched ep 1 of their Show. I was practically raising my brow..

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  175. Ride Ride Pony Tonight~December 14, 2013 at 4:30 PM

    They should do something original >.>

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  176. They were throwing opinions not Hate. Don't you want EXO showing their real self as well?

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  177. I love boobs &amp; legsDecember 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM

    so she used JGS fame for her upcoming japanese album? lol smart! and by the way, she'll have red shoes repackage tooo. I hope it will do well

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  178. Oh, okay.

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  179. Honestly, Exo fans didn't bring it up, just saying. They were complaining about other bringing up Showtime just to put them down to make Winner TV look better. Or just discussing the show with the person who brought it up. It's not an issue for me, but don't blame the fans, because it's not their fault.

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  180. I was kinda surprised at the positive comments on hyorin. I just thought maybe they watched her on as4y and they saw what she said about the hate comments and they thought "Maybe we were a bit too harsh on her?" I hope they stop hating.

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  181. i think it is real coz ksy took off his pants in front of the cam without hesitation.... it is real....

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  182. um ur kinda dumb, i wish i had time stamped it for u but the first comment on this article was LITERALLY ABOUT EXO.

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  183. ur srs so dumb. im sorry for calling ur dumb shit out? call me whatever u want, but it was u who fucking brought up exo for no reason. srs like, should i bring up something completely fucking irrelevant also now?

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  184. so why are they charting so well ? and don't say me "because of the fans only ", because to do well on charts you have to have the public's support.

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  185. oh I see. thank you

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  186. lol if you say so ;)

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  187. but why Winner ? couldn't they choose another name seriously ? it already sounds arrogant (though they will match well with the other YG artists).
    and how will their fans be called ? Winnies ? Whinys ?

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  188. Same here. I don't understand a word they are saying, but they are somehow still hilarious.

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  189. Omg more of Kang Suengyoon's "Natural Sate" love these boys

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