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Monday, November 25, 2013

Rumors of 'K-Pop Star 3' contestant Kim Eun Joo's iljin past circulate online


Reader request.

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Article: 'K-Pop 3' the praised contestant is an iljin? Producers "We are checking"

Source: Star News via Nate

You can read about the contestant here or here. A netizen put up a post claiming that Kim Eun Joo is an iljin, explaining, "Kim Eun Joo makes me so angry. It makes me angry and regretful to see that child sing with the mask of a lamb. Last year, she was forced to transfer out of our school. She would disrupt the class, hit her friends, drink, smoke, and even put up pictures of self-injury on her SNS." Pictures can be seen here [graphic].

1. [+1,592, -24] It really disgusts me when trashy people like her act like they've changed their ways because of music or whatever. Just shut up and live quietly on your own. Do you think everything is okay because you've reformed your ways through music? What about the kids you tortured? How are they supposed to deal with the nightmares?

2. [+1,386, -17] Seems like iljin kids used the money they ripped off from classmates to go to the karaoke

3. [+1,001, -19] She always has the ㅇㅅㅇ facial expression ㅋㅋㅋ kick her butt

4. [+165, -0] For a junior high school student to be forced to transfer out, that's quite severe... Hopefully the producers don't think they can get away with a short interview of her crying saying she's reformed her ways through music. Why is the entertainment industry becoming a collection of criminals? If this is all true, they need to take her off the show.

5. [+159, -2] If this is true, please take her off the show. If teens see that an iljin is on TV and doing well, they might not think twice of the bad things they are doing. She should not be allowed to do anything until she goes and apologizes to each student she tortured.

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Article: Kim Eun Joo's iljin controversy... 'K-Pop Star 3' official homepage board "Take her off the show" vs "Witch hunting"

Source: X Sports News via Nate

1. [+791, -6] With the situation gone as far as it has, they surely can't be thinking that they can continue to let her sing? Won't the iljins now look at this and think they can continue on with their ways if gets let off?

2. [+741, -14] What makes me so bitter about issues like this is that... their apologizes all sound like a person who's lived badly for their entire lives and only decided to turn his life around because he found out he was going to die the next day. This is why you should live your life as a good person every single day... because you never know when a golden opportunity like this will be taken away from you. That's how life is fair, I guess.

3. [+772, -9] The broadcast company should definitely investigate into the matter. There's no way that a story without truth would have so much back up, right?

4. [+76, -0] Think about it this way.. imagine if you were tortured and that person is now on TV, singing as if nothing was wrong. People like her need to have their roots cut off.

5. [+63, -0] People who ruin the happiness of others do not deserve to be happy themselves.

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176 comments:

  1. I was just looking at this, and I can't imagine how it feels to be one of her classmates and seeing her doing well and having a fancafe and so on. If she's really reformed, she should think twice about sticking her face on tv for her victims to have to see.

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  2. I still need a sub of this. How was YHY as a judge?

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  3. Well this is a complete shame. She was the one contestant that really stood out to me.
    If they keep her on this show, that's gonna be really controversial. These are hardly rumors to be honest, most of them seem pretty true as they came up right as soon as she came on TV (rather than other idols, whose pasts end up coming up and are often fabricated).
    She's talented but... what she did to her classmates wasn't that long ago. I see why they're all speaking out and complaining cause I would be too.

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  4. I hate Illjins(like hyomin), they shouldn't be famous. Their happiness comes from making others miserable

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  5. That's a bit scary... Although it's not completely confirmed so I suppose I can't really judge but... T_T"

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  6. People cant't change their ways? ok then.

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  7. what the fuck? she posted pictures of her self harming. there's obviously something wrong. i'm not trying to justify her mistreating other students but it's not like she's just some cold hearted bitch... she has some serious problems that she probably took out on other people.

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  8. she did gave this ㅇㅅㅇ expression the whole freaking time. acting like one innocent fella. xD

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  9. The producers must be having a tough time now. While I'm not sure
    what they would do, I hope if there's proof of her behaviour then I'm
    sure it'll be reflected in her votes later. After all, her whole career
    will depend on public support anyway. And I hate to quote example, but
    seems like stories of Sistar's members (except for Bora..?) are widely
    known yet, well, I still see them around.

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  10. Wow, people are so quick to believe things. How are these people so confident that the netizen saying Kin Eun Joo did all those things? No one knows Kim Eun joo's past. For all we know, that person could have made it all up. This is really disgusting and hateful.

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  11. you may change your ways but you still have to pay for your past actions.

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  12. Dasom's were disproven. This was already spoken about on another recent article. Her iljin rumors were actually related to an ulzzang also named Dasom (Lee Dasom I think), SISTAR's Dasom was brought into the rumors by incorrect judgment.

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  13. i guess i'm the only one who still don't get what iljin is all about....lol

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  14. I still have yet to see stories about Hyorin.

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  15. Wow, she is one pretty and talented contestant.. and BOOM iljin reputation!
    This will stick with her throughout her whole career (if any will exist after this), so I don't see how any record label would pick her up. Too bad really...

    [+1,001, -19] She always has the ㅇㅅㅇ facial expression ㅋㅋㅋ kick her butt


    I thought this too. I... actually.. find it annoying because I don't feel like it's genuine, more like she knows she looks cute doing it....

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  16. This will not bode well with the show they would take her off it i understand the girl has changed her ways and shit but with a past like this you will never be loved or respected by the public

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  17. Iljins are bullies, but more organized and more dangerous. Thinks of it as teen mafia groups in training.

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  18. People always try to pile on shit that's not even really bully behavior to make them seem worse. She could have been a terrible person to other people, but mentioning that she took pictures of herself self-harming and that she smoke and drank have nothing to do with hitting other kids and disrupting class. I don't drink or smoke, but I don't think kids acting stupid like that is worthy of making them a terrible person.

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  19. I was just watching a clip of her before I sleep last night. Too bad her career already ended... waaaaayy before it even started.

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  20. she isn't that good either. she's just scream in some part. and shes like OoO the whole time. irks me that she got compare to Lee hi, she didn't hv the soul.

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  21. Those are screencaps of actual SNS, and even people on instiz have confirmed it. Your ID is attached to it and instiz people are very respectful of the site, since you can be banned permanently for breaking rules like swearing and defaming.

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  22. bora was popular in school and she wasn't a iljin. the only person who they had proof of was soyu and she changed her ways before she even got popular.

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  23. Who are the rumored iljins in kpop? I mean idols AND trainees?

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  24. Your past will always haunt you in the K industry whether if its even true or not.

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  25. Punished for your past?
    I mean it'd be terrible if she truly felt bad about her past and was cut short on the opportunity to do something she loves.
    And anyone doing self harm clearly needs help. A lot of people who act so crazily generally have something going on on their own.
    Not saying that excuses the behavior completely, but still.

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  26. It really bothers me that children that young are already capable of doing horrible things to their peers.

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  27. wtf... wow, that's despicable.

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  28. Because there were already screen caps posted from her SNS. You clearly didn't look at them.

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  29. I really hope they got Supermom like in Sunny Movie that will fight iljin

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  30. "...and even put up pictures of self-injury on her SNS." How this is supposed to be indicative of an iljin?



    Anyway, this sounds like a mess but I think it's ridiculous that they're saying a 16-year-old isn't allowed to grow out of her past to live her potential.

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  31. isn't being a iljin and being a bully two different things? i thought an iljin was a girl who drunk and played around with friends.

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  32. ummm.. no lol

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  33. Hyolyn was never an iljin either lolol. The girl had social anxiety disorder for crying out loud.

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  34. They didn't really have proof for Soyou either--they only had pictures of her underage drinking.

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  35. Iljin are like the grade school version of a mobster crew. (Yakuza, I think would make sense for a lot of you.)


    They have connections between schools all over the city, and even other cities, and they arrange things like sex parties and some of the girls sell their bodies for cigarettes, booze, or money to other iljins. So bully is nothing compared to an iljin.

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  36. The meaning of iljin goes much deeper than underage drinking though.

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  37. iljin =/= just a bully but someone who is generally seen as a delinquent. Though posting up pictures of self-harm doesn't necessarily a deliquent, perhaps in Korea it's evidence of delinquent behavior which I admit is an unfair assessment to make unless you know why she was posting them up and how.

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  38. wooo..
    she looks innocent...
    looks really can be deceiving...

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  39. tbh i seen many meanings of ijin and i don't know which is the real meaning. *confused*

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  40. he's straightforward and on spot in criticism, i think the three judges r perfect match, YG goes on the star selling point, JYP goes on the star performance point, while YHY goes on the music point. and its so hilarious when he confront JYP.

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  41. apparently, the one who wrote that was claimed to be her classmate, he/she was not the victim but the witness. in E-news, it's written that this netizen didn't denied her vocal talent, but feels it's unfair since she's a bully, someone who treat others badly but she can get all the fame without guilty. and after that request, many netizen started wrote their experience on the site board

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  42. Oh, my bad. Missed the pics. Well, one thing I know for sure is that girl needs help.

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  43. Taken from another post:

    "Iljin is similar to a bully but worse (kids who get in trouble, ditch class, smoke/drink, sexual activity, bully others, or other things of that nature). It's kind of difficult to exactly translate what an Iljin is. But one thing is for sure is that it has a negative connotation."

    "Indeed bullies they are, though what makes them even more dangerous is that they're run and operate like gangs - the only difference being that they're not smart enough to make illegitimate businesses and are minors wearing school uniforms instead of suits.

    Fight and beat one in victory, and you'll wind up having more coming down on your ass for 'revenge'.

    Unlike your typical bully, those folks are known to get in trouble with the police more frequently. And are known to be far more violent and even have their own hierarchy (in the form of NorthFace jackets, though the fad has died away supposedly).

    The movie 'Don't Cry Mommy' gives a fairly solid portrayal in what the most dangerous iljins are like."

    There were only pictures of Soyou drinking underage, but there has never been any proof of Soyou getting into fights or ditching class or bullying other kids.

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  44. Well I guess the innocent act ain't flying anymore.

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  45. OT but remember The Gloss? They are debuting soon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0pBZBejWY.



    The white girl looks so old.

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  46. I want to know about Hwang Seol Lin....

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  47. why harm yourself and post it on the internet? ...... I mean, ok, you do this at home, everybody has their problems, but what's the moral of posting it on the internet... do these people think it's cool to self harm? is not~

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  48. Maybe she was an iljin in the past. It's a shame that she's not allowed a second chance.

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  49. For some, it's a cry for help. I mean...if you've ever heard of the Amanda Todd case...her video was a cry for help and when people bashed her on the Internet too...well...let's just say her case ended up in the worst possible solution.

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  50. God damn was everybody a damn iljin?

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  51. actually when the original post came up knetz are like " i wanna see the receipts! " then she posted KEJ's pics and screencaps of her SNS so knets believed her story.

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  52. Same thing with Demi Lovato. Bitch was a terrible bully growing up, and then would cry to the world that she was bullied. Disgusting.

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  53. 'Why is the entertainment industry becoming a collection of criminals?'

    because its ran by criminals.

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  54. at least she likes bigbang

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  55. call im seeing is claims but no proof. i'll hold my judgements till i see some receipts.

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  56. 5. [+63, -0] People who ruin the happiness of others do not deserve to be happy themselves.

    I'm an awful human being but I totally agree

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  57. are those needles in her leg? wth

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  58. I know, but it disturbs me that self-harm is considered as some kind of reprehensible behavior rather than as an indication that someone (a child, in this case) is in need of attention.


    I don't know how old these netizens are but the manner in which they're haranguing iljins--who are, above all else, underaged kids--isn't a responsible or appropriate response.

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  59. Even as an American who has heard of pretty much all types of criminal, nasty things going on, this probably types it off.


    To think there are elementary/middle/high school kids going around and doing this stuff... it's painful and disgusting to hear about.

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  60. Her the graphic photos though? - it confirms the "self-injury on her SNS" part for sure.

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  61. Yes she may have had serious problems but she had not right to take it out on innocent people now can you imagine the long-term effects she has left on her victims whilst she moves on with her life and becomes successful i can understand why people are vivid it's not fair for her to move on so easily imo

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  62. At the bottom of the instiz post in bold, the poster wrote this. It touched me so I wanted to share it.

    "It is a good thing to work towards one's dreams. But if that dream comes after stepping on others and leaving scars in their hearts, isn't that wrong? As another person who hopes to be a singer some day, I believe that songs should be sung from the heart. I believe that songs convey my sincerity to others. Can someone with this kind of mindset have sincerity? As a member of the public, I truly have to wonder if this child who bullied others, who caused others pain and suffering, can really sing with sincerity."

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  63. It's more than that she wanted attention but she caused plenty of stress, pain, suffering, and trauma. Having a mental problem doesn't excuse her from her actions.

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  64. no, she just scribbled on the picture to cut off some of her leg 'fat'

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  65. I understand... maybe... some people have their motives, others are just calling for attention, but, at some point, is possible to differentiate both I think...

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  66. Any group would be ashamed to have a fan like that.

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  67. what is iljin?

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  68. There are already pictures from her SNS... you should try reading the links NB provided before saying 'no proof' -_____-

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  69. One of the comments on instiz says:

    "Honestly I really hope that people like this don't make it.

    It's already the criminals that have everything, so when I wonder if the victims will always have to be the ones to suffer, I can't feel any hope."




    I have to agree.

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  70. Now normally I'm all for forgiving people's pasts, but if this girl is still bullying people recently, maybe it's better if she steps out of the limelight first and get herself straightened out and make it right with the people she was/is bullying. Producers shouldn't take a girl who's not right in the head and put her in a high stress environment anyway.

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  71. They are a form of bullies however they take it to the extreme. They are in gangs, the commit really disgusting things such as sex parties, girls selling their bodies, and they are known to ruin their victims lives. A lot of people commit suicide because of them. They are basically the lowest form of bullies.
    P.S I might be incorrect, if I am please POLITELY correct me :)

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  72. I think she should see a therapist. Self-harm? Maybe something is seriously going on with her to feel the need to bully and hurt others like that. The last thing she needs is spotlight and fame. She needs help those pictures are gross and I hope she learns from her mistakes, you should never belittle anothrr human being.

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  73. If it's true she should be forced to leave and it can serve as a punishment for her that bullying is just not acceptable and regardless of her singing talent.

    And if kpop star 3 continues to leave her than this season might as well go out the door. In a country where people commit suicide bc of bullying puting her on the show is seriously wrong.

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  74. For some reason, when I was reading this... My iTunes on shuffle played "What Goes Around, Comes Around" by Justin Timberlake.
    I think she needs to be responsible for the people she bullied first. The dreams of those she bullied are shattered because of her ways. Her parents should do something, too.
    I feel for those who are bullied. To see someone who bullied you rise on national TV can make one's blood boil and can potentially completely ruin their lives.

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  75. this girl need help..
    she seems loves to see ppl suffer coz of her action...
    she looks innocent n pure.....
    Looks can be deceivinggg....jeez

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  76. oh...still, she seems to be in need of help/

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  77. They can but they gotta pay the price first.

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  78. wtf. it would be horrible to have a fan who acts like that,

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  79. tbh, I had a funny feeling when watching her perform and finding this out isn't that surprising to me. If it is true - even though this sounds bad - I don't want to see her on the show.

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  80. As easy as it would be to think that delinquency manifests on it's own, most of the time it's cause-and-effect, and a pretty strong sign of a cause in this case could be self-harm.



    I've no idea what motivates each iljin to do what he/she does but if anyone is a part of a cycle of abuse wherein their actions are a result of their own victimization, do you seriously agree that they deserve all the punishment and none of the help?

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  81. I'm always so conflicted on topics like this because yes sometimes people are complete assholes and don't deserve once in a lifetime opportunities like this, but other times I'm just like how do you expect someone to become a better person if you don't give them a chance to redeem themselves.

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  82. I didn't say she doesn't deserve help of her own, but it certainly doesn't excuse her from the punishment.

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  83. I do believe that people can change their ways. I've witnessed others who have realized their wrongdoings and have apologized to the victims. However, if these posts came up, it's because the wound is still open. Meaning, she did not apologize.

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  84. well that why we hacve to be careful of what we do, your past always will hunt u!

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  85. If it's true, I think she should be kicked out. No bully deserves positive recognition, unless he/she regretted his/her actions and honestly apologized.

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  86. Iljins are basically child gangs. Best comparison I can think of.

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  87. ?? astually I think she was the one that get bullied

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  88. TROOOOOLLLLL IN THE DUNGEON

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  89. the way i see it, these kind of support and witch hunt to those iljins should be done whether the iljins are joining the entertainment industry or not. yes it blew up in the media because it was trigger by her appearance in the national TV, but then again, it also means that people have the power to gain awareness to stop those iljins, and even more so those students who were bullied will feel supported.

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  90. My Harry Potter feels omg sthap.

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  91. Well my comments are directed at the netizens' comments, the majority of which seem to think a)self-harm isn't a cry for help and b)iljins aren't allowed to recover as people and that they ought to bury themselves in a hole for the rest of their lives.

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  92. sucks. her voice is really good too. if i were bullied by her i would hate to see her doing well because it goes against all the underdog stories. maybe getting kicked out will make her really think about her life - - but it could also make the bullying worse. all i know is that she needs help whether or not she continues in the competition.

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  93. Many of us have probably experienced bullying and seeing something like this is upsetting. But it takes time for someone to change, if it was true that it was only last year she transferred out of her school then I think it's way too early for her to go on a show like this. Fame and a mean personality only means more power. If she's mentally ill then all these comments could fuck up her life for good. But right now it's too early, I doubt she's changed and I doubt she's apologized and for me personally I don't think she deserves to be there.

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  94. i feel the same too, i didn't think she 'that' good either. very pitchy but hey opinions and such

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  95. I think it really just takes being part of the culture to understand the animosity towards iljins. If you have ever been a victim, known a victim, or seen a victim, you would understand why it is so hard to think of it from the perpetrator's point of view. Iljins tend to get away with everything, with most transfers being the victims and not the iljins, and many suicides and causes of depression being bullying. I think there was a boy on Hello Counselor who didn't talk to his mother for two years while living in the same house, because she reminded him of an iljin at his school that bullied him. Not to mention she hasn't and isn't showing any remorse for her actions, so they really don't have any reason to.


    It takes a very forgiving person to look past the wrongs and reach out a helping hand, and most people who aren't iljins are victims. I'd stake my life that most of those upvotes are from people who have dealt with iljins in the past and see her as an example of their own iljins who have succeeded in life while they are still hurting inside.

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  96. thanks :D

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  97. thank u :D

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  98. the power of big circle lens XD


    she's 16 in korean age, so she's probably a 98line kid??
    man, so young. if she really did those bad things.. I feel bad for her fellow young classmates victims.
    her voice is not bad tho.

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  99. "What makes me so bitter about issues like this is that... their apologizes all sound like a person who's lived badly for their entire lives and only decided to turn his life around because he found out he was going to die the next day. This is why you should live your life as a good person every single day... because you never know when a golden opportunity like this will be taken away from you. That's how life is fair, I guess. "


    That's how life should work, anyway.

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  100. I think she was the one who being bullied because she was chubby as a kid.

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  101. That's fair to say. This is just a very gross process to watch unfold, and while I believe that there are definitely real perpetrators that deserve retribution, its unfortunate that others are paying for it one way or another.

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  102. Omg, i just watched her audition and i would have never imagined her to be like that. You can never judge a book by its cover indeed

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  103. Not excusing any of her bullying past, but if she's inflicting harm on herself & posting it then perhaps it's a cry for help. If all of this is true then the girl needs some therapy and maybe her family needs some sessions together. I wouldn't say she doesn't deserve to be happy because if she's also harming herself then there's something seriously wrong.

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  104. what's scary is that she's even able to put up a poker face like that T_T... i mean .. how

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  105. I think that person is confused

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  106. [+63, -0] People who ruin the happiness of others do not deserve to be happy themselves.

    so funny how some netizens then dont deserve to be happy themselves because some/most of you likes to torture the happiness of some celebs.
    I give this girl benefit of doubt. she got talent.
    this reminds me of kim woobin caharacter in the heirs (stopped watching at ep 8 or 9). isnt his character kind of like a bully too? i dont get why all of you found his character is charming whatsoever. but when a girl got into a scandal like this, all people seems like immediately shaming and bashing her, saying she didnt deserve to happiness in her entire life.

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  107. FFS who the eff cares. It's a singing competition, not a "what did you do in high school" competition.

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  108. If she was posting photos of self-harm online obviously she has issues with depression. With the way netizens are acting now by bullying her off a bunch of unfounded rumours and old photos from her school days she'll probably end up killing herself. Instead of helping people these netizens just judge and attack more. No wonder Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

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  109. She's a life ruiner. She ruins people's lives.

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  110. I don't think you can easily make up a rumor like she was forced to transfer out of her school, because that sort of thing you can easily check with either the staff at the school or simply ask the students if Kim Eun Joo was really a student there and if/why she transferred.


    If 50 students say the exact same thing, how can it be false?


    Pictures and shit are always circumstantial, but being forced out of a school because you were a bully is something easily proven and concrete.

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  111. Waiting to see what the producers found. If she was forced out of school for bullying, the school will confirm it.

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  112. it got me curious. why are there so many k-idols involved in this iljin rumour scandal? it goes against all the underdog stories. why we dont hear something like taylor swift (i'm not sure, just remember her song 'Mean') who got talent and fought back her bullies and become successful like now?

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  113. Damn,
    how you not even famous yet an you already have a bad record?
    Korea don't play with not iljin

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  114. What the fuck is wrong with this girl...!?


    There must be something wrong with her if she thinks she can act like that and still be a famous singer... Lol. With Korea's stance against bullying gaining more momentum, it'll be impossible.


    If the rumors are true, I won't feel sorry for her at all. Tsk.

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  115. she's compared to Hayi??? wtf???

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  116. Maybe she should join T-ara.

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  117. Iljins go nowhere in life. I knew some iljins (yay for living ktown) during my high school years and most of them ended up not even graduating from high school or fail to obtain a GED.


    To the kids who get bullied, remember that those who bully you will most likely fail in life.

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  118. Society in Korea is really different from America, I guess. She wasn't really physically harmed or had food dumped over her head, she was frozen out by the popular girls because they said she wasn't pretty.


    Iljins take bullying to a whole new level. People who are wangtta aren't just ignored by their bullies, but their classmates and most of the people at school take part in the bullying as well—either by choice or by social pressure (something like "if you talk to that person you'll end up like them").


    I think you can get through just about anything as long as you have support from your family and friends. The kids who are bullied in Korea are completely isolated from their peers, which crushes their self-esteem and confidence. I can't imagine what that must be like, but I don't think being famous is on their list of things to do at that point. Especially knowing that the entertainment industry is extremely fickle and volatile to begin with...

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  119. the fascinating thing regarding these articles is how quickly it popped up (only hours after the airing) and how rapidly it spread. before the end of the day, there were already kim eun joo anti-fan cafes where they started "demanding the truth from her" smh.


    i understand the severity of the issue. and i'm not excusing the girl for her bullying ways and saying that we should all bury the past because the girl's trying to move on. i don't think that's the case especially if she's trying to be a singer whose job is deliver emotion to an audience. i remember one of my favorite idols once saying that the job of a singer is to let their fans know they're not alone whether it be celebrating happy news together or dividing the sorrows together. however judging from the really harsh comments (the ones that nb didn't translate are worse some of them referring to her self-harm photos and wishing that she would go further and commit suicide) there's a bigger issue here at hand. stop hating on people cause they're talented and try to do shit with their life while you sit in front of a computer all day. if you're really worried about bullying and the conditions of the school life, you shouldn't be expressing your discontent online through comments. go out, check out the school life, volunteer, etc. this is just another classic case of koreans not be able to stomach the site of someone else going somewhere with their life just like primary.

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  120. I agree with the netizens. Why reward bad behavior.
    ...I'm also 100% sure this will be brought back up again during T-ara upcoming promotions. The issue of bullying has been brought up again, so I'm sure they'll say throw T-ara away just like this girl here.

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  121. this girl might be mentally ill.
    she used to injure herself.



    here's the photos

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  122. i've heard of a couple people that said they were bullied in school but they might have been actresses i can't remember

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  123. is it safe to assume you probably weren't bullied as a kid?

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  124. I think you missed the point. This isn't simply a case of people "hating" on someone working towards their dreams, this is a case of the public speaking out against allowing a person who stepped on others, bullied people, disregarded her teachers and other members of authority, to appear on tv.

    Someone else posted it, but it's a translated comment from Instiz: "It is a good thing to work towards one's dreams. But if that dream comes after stepping on others and leaving scars in their hearts, isn't that wrong? As another person who hopes to be a singer some day, I believe that songs should be sung from the heart. I believe that songs convey my sincerity to others. Can someone with this kind of mindset have sincerity? As a member of the public, I truly have to wonder if this child who bullied others, who caused others pain and suffering, can really sing with sincerity."



    The reason why people are revealing her iljin past is probably because she hasn't apologized properly for it. Bullies rarely ever truly feel bad for the hurt they've caused others, but she wants to be an idol?


    Really?

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  125. I never thought I'd see one of my posts being used as a reference XD.

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  126. 1) I'm going to wait before passing judgement because rumors are... you know bait for idiots to start mobs.
    2) If it is true then I do believe she should spend some time reflecting on her actions but as an adult, condemning a child from pursuing her dream for the rest of her life would be a little overboard.

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  127. Honestly she must have some issues since she self-harms herself (or at least in those photos) but reading the translation from on of the users she seems to be making a joke out of it. She shouldn't be on tv if these rumors are true.

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  128. I assure you, I haven't misunderstood the point or severity of the issue. But I'm saying the amount of hate she's receiving is unwarranted just like T-ara's case. If you read some of the comments about her, they're asking her to slit her wrist completely (referencing her cutting photos) and just die so the world can be a better place. The comments that NB translated are rainbows and sunshine compared to others. And that's not all. She already has hate cafes dedicated to taking her off the show. Keep in mind - she hasn't made any comments regarding this situation, the school hasn't made any comments on if she was really forced to transfer and why, and finally the whole iljin scandal comes from ONE post online from a source that won't even reveal her/his real identity.

    Anger that's been geared towards her like that doesn't come just from wanting justice. It comes from jealously and hatred. If she hadn't received such high compliments from the judge (the rare time that all three judges had only the highest compliments for her), people wouldn't have reacted so rashly against her.



    I'm not saying that she's right and has the right to keep her head held high - that's not my point. If she is really an iljin, then Kpop Star should really give some consideration on what they want to do with her. BUT I'm saying that the netizens, as always, are overreacting on this situation and using justice as a mask to cover their jealously at someone who is talented and trying to go places in life.


    Seriously. Asking a 16 year old to commit suicide so she help rid the world of trash? In what kind of society is that okay?

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  129. You have the most knowledge when it comes to iljins haha. I've seen you go more into detail on past NB articles too.

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  130. ugh, so many non-koreans are supporting her on youtube despite knowing of her bullying past
    she's changed? uhm, do you know her personally to be convinced that she's changed?
    haters are retarded? no, people who support bullies are retarded.


    rumors like this don't just pop out of nowhere people! why would they make things up anyways? it's not like she's famous enough.
    they could've claimed that other kpop idols were bullies but did they? NO because they weren't.
    get my point here?

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  131. Omg how many iljin bitches are there in the KPOP scene? Just because they can sing, they think the world is theirs?
    For all those she hurt she needs to suffer 10 times more. Get her off the show and never allow her to debut.

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  132. You don't seem to be aware of just how severe the iljin culture really is.

    "he school hasn't made any comments on if she was really forced to transfer and why,"

    Schools in Korea rarely, if ever, make comments about their own being transferred, because it's usually a sign that they could not deal with said student being a serious issue - plus K-schools are known to care more about their public image than actually getting things done.

    That being said, the vast majority of transfers that take place tend to be either iljins who were so out of control that their previous school could not handle them or victims who had undergone extremely severe amount of bullying.

    "nger that's been geared towards her like that doesn't come just from wanting justice. It comes from jealously and hatred."



    Jealousy and hatred is anywhere near to the amount of overall public disapproval young Koreans have towards iljins.


    You also mentioned T-ara's case - newsflash: earlier before that scandal, it was a time when anti-bullying attitudes were spiking up in Korea and when there were reports of kids in middle school committing suicide, which riled up the whole country massively.


    Had it taken place in the early or even mid 2000s, it would have been an entirely different story.

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  133. She's better than you people; a grass eater

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  134. Another sad thing is that the ones who don't get caught by the police will inevitably be picked up for their mandatory service too - and wind up bullying fellow soldiers who are perceived as 'weaker' than them.


    Note - if you have a criminal record prior to doing your MS, you are considered ineligible for duty.

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  135. Dominique (도미니크)November 25, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of Iljin still to this day....

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  136. I find that strange...why get them off the hook for having a criminal record. :/

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  137. Let me tell you something. As I grew up in an Asian country, self-harming does not appear to be the results of depression. During my middle school years, the iljins were doing it to look "cool". They think that they look like real gangsters if they have a few scars on their bodies. It was a trend back then in my middle school. Someone even uses the sharp blades and crafted someone's name on their arms in class and showed it to everyone in the class. In the cases I saw, they just want to show that they are "cool" and "tough". Not all self-harm actions associate with depression.

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  138. omg you referenced one of my comments :Db/c of my crappy day that made me happy

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  139. Because it'll be taken as official evidence that you're a troublemaker and hence unfit for duty (in other words, the military will think you'll be a burden to guys around you and your superiors).


    It's a common thing among armed forces worldwide, whether conscript or voluntary (here in NZ, when I was applying for the NZDF, the form also had a part whether if I had a criminal record or not).



    Being a member of a mob also gets you considered ineligible.

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  140. I am ashamed as a VIP that she posted such a picture with the caption "wow fantastic baby" she needs help....

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  141. When did Kpop Star 3 start and why isn't it on hulu?

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  142. If she was talented, i can at least let it pass.
    But i'm not sure if everyone's deaf, her singing sucks to me.
    She said she never had any vocal training. I am quite mad that YG praise her, you shouldn't praise random ppl just because it's a show!

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  143. Ohh...ok that makes sense. I was thinking more on the lines that they should be able to serve in order to do hard labor, but I guess they can't just assign that for no reason...LOL

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  144. because serving in the military is not a punishment like some make it sound its an honor and a duty as a citizen but someone who has committed a crime loses that chance jus like it would affect their chances of getting a job with a criminal record

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  145. That makes perfect sense.

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  146. Lesson: Karma will bite you in the ass.

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  147. There actually was one time the ROK Armed Forces actually did conscript criminals though, back in the late 60s, to create a secret black ops unit to assassinate Kim Il-Sung (granddaddy of Kim Jong Un) - though the unit mutinied a few years later and as a result, was wiped out.


    Not entirely sure of it, though it's possible that incident was a factor in preventing those with a criminal record from doing service.

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  148. From your logic, then criminals should be allowed to take part in military or police entry fitness examinations.


    You don't seem very aware of just how dangerous these iljins actually are. We're talking about minor-aged mobsters who are heinously dangerous to society, whether child or adult.

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  149. I will never understand what's going on in these people's head...I mean...how can they hurt, humiliate people without even feeling remorse and...on the top of that being happy to do it ? It makes me really sad, an human being to be so cruel.

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  150. No, it isn't.


    Iljin is a term to describe delinquents who are members of their school gang. With the possible exception of the more 'elite and prestigious' schools, every school has their own gang of iljins, or even several of them.


    They are much, much more ruthless than a typical school bully or delinquent. They operate much like mobs, and have ties with iljin gangs from other schools as well (even turf wars and alliances occur). These sort of guys and girls get in far more trouble with the police than any other minor.


    Smokin', drinkin' and clubbing with fake IDs is considered normal or simply something not even worth being sensitive about in Korea's youth.

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  151. It's really just psychological projection

    This pretty much sums it up. "A bully may project his/her own feelings of vulnerability onto the target(s) of the bullying activity. Despite the fact that a bully's typically denigrating activities are aimed at the bully's targets, the true source of such negativity is ultimately almost always found in the bully's own sense of personal insecurity and/ or vulnerability. Such aggressive projections of displaced negative emotions can occur anywhere from the micro-level of interpersonal relationships, all the way up through to the macro-level of international politics, or even international armed conflict."

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  152. "I'm going to wait before passing judgement because rumors are... you know bait for idiots to start mobs."


    Indeed. It's quite scary how so many people are taking it as it is even though those are rumors.

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  153. if she ever wants to join a label,go join CCM...the company that is filled with iljins.and girls who would bully a member out of a group out of jealousy

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  154. These people would literally throw away their education for this career....but iljins don't seem be ashamed

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  155. I enjoy reading your details comments most of the time.

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  156. A bully or teen age gangster.

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  157. Bullies throw away their education when they choose to act like thugs...drop outs AKA bullies will either be working at their mommy or daddy's company or just literally be bums LOL

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  158. If she is an iljin then she must off. I mean she will be an idol, idols should be role models for children and inspire them to be good.

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  159. ohh . thanks :) finally someone answer me

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  160. soyu's iljin rumor was started over a hair dressing license...

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  161. PERFECT WAY TO PUT IT. Good job!

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  162. This person needs to go into reflection before coming out. I can see her determination though.

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  163. I get where you're coming from, my view is that it's still fairly recent, and I doubt that in such a short time someone so young has completely turned their life around, therefore she doesn't deserve it. If she has the talent, she should work on amending the damage she's done, or at least try to do so. Many victims just want their tormentors to apologise, to show them that they're really, truly sorry, so if she does that, like truly does it without any other motive, then she should deserve that chance

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  164. definetely. she act innocently and cute but I don't find it cute at all

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  165. "3. [+1,001, -19] She always has the ㅇㅅㅇ facial expression ㅋㅋㅋ kick her butt"

    I dont know if anyone has done this already but when I read this comment, I thought of...

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  166. btw. sorry this was so irrelevant

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