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Saturday, October 26, 2013

IU's reps deny 'The Red Shoes' plagiarism controversy


Article: IU 'Red Shoes' plagiarized?... netizens divided in response

Source:
News 1 via Nate

1. [+1,470, -118] It's not suspected plagiarism, it's flat out plagiarism.

2. [+1,279, -104] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-34XUW_huvk Listen for yourself, it's similar.

3. [+961, -72] It really is quite similar, though

4. [+218, -24] No one's divided over this ㅋㅋㅋ Anyone can tell that it's 100% plagiarized, just the stupid fans that are shielding it.. tsk tsk.

5. [+203, -15] It blows my mind that IU fans are shielding this by claiming that it's how all the swings/jazz genre songs sound like ㅋㅋㅋ The controversial part is not the rhythm but the melody, chord, and brass that are all the same.

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Article: IU's reps deny plagiarism controversy "Not at all, a completely different song"

Source: Sports Seoul via Naver

1. [+4,994, -397] It sounds the same to me...

2. [+4,230, -291] They use the chord excuse for everything. Be honest, you guys were surprised when you heard the song too, right Loen?

3. [+4,233, -367] Apart from the "Disappearing summer time~" part, everything else is plagiarized

4. [+3,720, -284] I played the song for my dongseng and he asked if it was an English version of Red Shoes ㅋ It's too similar

5. [+1,541, -92] Loen's statement is so patronizing... purposely using musical terms that they know the average person won't know and basically saying, "Haha, us professionals don't think it's plagiarized, not like you guys would know anything about that..." Excuse me, but the song is listened to by the general public. The way they're obsessing over the chords makes it more suspicious.

6. [+1,257, -86] It doesn't matter what they say because if the public thinks it's plagiarized, it is ㅋㅋㅋ

7. [+1,157, -186] Honestly, the rhythm is too similar, as well as the middle part... 99.9% it's plagiarized... IU, as if Eunhyuk wasn't enough, now you're plagiarizing... farewell, nation's little sister!

8. [+920, -50] Is their company blind and deaf? It was pretty much just copied and pasted.

9. [+791, -47] Let's admit what's true, IU. I got goose bumps when I first listened at how similar it was.

10. [+650, -44] To me, it sounds the same;; I don't want to hate on IU but I think the composer needs to step up and say something so that IU receives less hate... I personally like the song so what a shame.

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440 comments:

  1. i think loen explained it pretty well this time

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  2. It does sound very familiar :D

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  3. oh dear lord, i just listened just the beginning, it sounds exactly the same.

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  4. lol it sounds similar and fans are still denying it. i find loen's respond funny too.

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  5. Just when her image was getting better...

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  6. News in: Music of the same genres sound similar!

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  7. "6. [+1,257, -86] It doesn't matter what they say because if the public thinks it's plagiarized, it is ㅋㅋㅋ"


    This is the most stupid reply I've ever read in this article. I don't even know where to begin describing how this comment pisses me off. Go play in traffic, #7.

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  8. This is the vid comparing both songs. It sounds REALLY similar to me but I'm no music expert so if "they" say its not plagiarism then..... I guess it not

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVf9hOrLtQo

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  9. I'm sorry but it does sound similar.

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  10. Well...who would admit plagiarism lol

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  11. al jazz songs sound like that.... OTL

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  12. 10. [+650, -44] To me, it sounds the same;; I don't want to hate on IU but I think the composer needs to step up and say something so that IU receives less hate... I personally like the song so what a shame.

    THIS.

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  13. OK, wow! IU's version really does sound like the Korean version of the original.
    What were Loen thinking?! And that statement of theirs was so pathetic. Anyone can hear it's the same whether they're professional composers or not.

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  14. I never checked out both songs until now and I'm not an IU fan but I gotta be honest, when the headlines came out I was like "unless you can come up with a detailed musical explanation like what that SM producer did for SHINee, then uh oh..." but then they gave one so I guess that settles it. Just snap out of your hate and be objective for once.

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  15. Loen should have known better its a distributing company for heaven sakes did they not know someone would connect the dots?

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  16. lee min soo is not a new, unknown composer, i wonder why he didn't do anything yet

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  17. "Oh yes the song was plagiarized"


    Said no company ever

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  18. I'm not taking sides, but maaaaybe it just sounds the same. It can happen, just imagine there's gazillion songs out there...

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  19. Holy shit, that's sounds way too similar to not be plagiarism...

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  20. What, did they sample the song? It sounds same. I don't know, I'm not an expert.

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  21. it sounds the same to me too especially the beginning...so many plagiarized songs this year...

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  22. 5. [+203, -15] It blows my mind that IU fans are shielding this by claiming that it's how all the swings/jazz genre songs sound like ㅋㅋㅋ

    This is pretty much what you can found on Allkpop. lol

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  23. [+218, -24] No one's divided over this ㅋㅋㅋ Anyone can tell that it's 100% plagiarized, just the stupid fans that are shielding it.. tsk tsk.

    Not a hater but they've got a point! Its similar... too similar

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  24. LOEN's responses are always funny. "went visit a sick IU" LOL
    At least they didn't throw any group under the bus

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  25. What sucks is that IU is the one who is going to suffer the most from something like this despite the fact that she didn't write the song/has most likely never even heard the other song before today. After everything that had happened to her, she was finally making a successful comeback with a fantastic album and now she is going to be hit pretty hard because of the careless actions of the composer... such a shame :(

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  26. "Not at all, a completely different song" Because this is a really detailed musical explanation......0_0

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  27. Am I the only one who don't think it's plagiarism? In the beginning it's a bit similar, yes, but the rest of Here's Us is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WTF just listen to the whole song for god's sake

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  28. shinee's composer handled it very well ( & he was hot :P )

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  29. how many notes must be simular to be called plagiarism in korea?

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  30. I'm no music expert but that's just too darn similar not call it plagerism.

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  31. idk . it sound similar . but it not just this song . a lot of songs in kpop group lately sounds similar to the other korean song . but , no further action was done . so , i think it was also the same to this case . just wait and see

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  32. A lot of music sounds the same these days, i'm not surprised.

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  33. It will be utterly ridiculous if IU gets hate for this ... because for the most part the fault is with the producer or composer.

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  34. Good job, Shawols!

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  35. You're trying too hard

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  36. You know there's a whole article to read, right?

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  37. It's obviously the same song. Anyone using the "but all swing sounds like that" excuse has not heard much swing music. Swing music does have a very typical sound, but come on, it doesn't use the exact same chords and melody for every song.

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  38. btw have u guys seen the full explanation?

    "Hello!

    This IU’s agency, LOEN Entertainment.

    We would like to express our official position regarding the opinions raised by netizens that IU’s “The Red Shoes” is similar to foreign musician Nektar’s “Here’s Us”, upon receiving opinions from the composer of “The Red Shoes”, Lee Minsoo, as well as external music experts.

    Part of the melody of “Here’s Us” might sound similar to the melody of the 2nd verse of “The Red Shoes” (B part), but the chord progression of the two songs is completely different.

    "The Red Shoes" follows a B flat minor scale chord progression, with a B flat minor bm7 - cm7 - cm6 - f7sus4 - f7, whereas "Here’s Us" follows a dominant scale chord progression, with B flat major chord progression.

    Also, the fundamental chorus and first verse (A part), the bridge part of the second half of the song, as well as the song’s overall melody and composition, instrument arrangement and other aspects deem it as a completely different song.

    In addition, it is not true that IU is ending her album promotions due to this controversy, as she is preparing for the solo concert at the end of November, her Japanese promotions at the end of the year and she is filming for the drama “Pretty Guy”, which were all already planned in advance.

    Please give your love and support to IU, who always puts in her best effort as a popular singer, and also as an actress.

    Thank you.”

    Translated by squishy with love

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  39. It seems that none of commenters listed have ever listened to swing music before.

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  40. Kevin Horvejkul KwokOctober 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM

    [+1,157, -186] Honestly, the rhythm is too similar, as well as the middle part... 99.9% it's plagiarized... IU, as if Eunhyuk wasn't enough, now you're plagiarizing... farewell, nation's little sister!



    It's not IU's fault. :|

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  41. hehe I find it so funny that they use the "different chords"excuse... since it doesn't make any sense.. Just because they have different chords doesn't mean it can't be plagiarism... What do these composers think? that it's onlt plagiarism when something is exactly the same... Anyway thank for sharing this!! (:

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  42. LOL at LOEN even having to break down the chord progression and certain parts of the song to prove their innocence. The song just sounds waaaaaay too similar to the other one.

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  43. What does this have anything to do with SHINee and us fans?

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  44. okay, I agree with netizen who said this was a patronizing statement. They used terms most people don't know to explain things. It sounds the same to my non expert ears. LOEN is always making stupid statements aren't they...

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  45. Hyori did. Though she says in her defense that it was mostly because of her composer/producer Bahnus. It's the reason she was gone from the spotlight from 2010 to earlier this year.

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  46. wow, as much as i wanted to say "jazz (or whatever genre it was) will of course sound similar" this comparison really says a lot especially when they overlapped the two songs. i'm no music expert i'm just saying as a casual listener.

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  47. It really does sound too similar. Just because you changed the key doesnt make it a completely new song. Cant even get away with saying that they sampled it.
    But IU's promotions are already over(right?) so it doesnt really matter

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  48. Would you like to name another swing song that sounds like the The Red Shoes and Here's Us to prove your point? If all swing sounds like this particular song then it should be easy for you!

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  49. Even if it's just a coincidence Nekta>>>>>IU. At least she's got the right attitude when she sings.

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  50. Too bad..this album is good. I personally like the whole album

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  51. i agree...
    this comment:
    " as if Eunhyuk wasn't enough, now you're plagiarizing..." is fcking stupid-___- SHE DIDN'T EVEN WRITE THE SONGGGG...ahhhh i'm so annoyed by this

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  52. But if the song was a hit. Wouldnt she get most of the credit? If is good then artist should take the popularity but its a fail then the composer should take the hate?

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  53. I think it's definitely plagiarized but having said that I do prefer The Red Shoes as a song, it sounds fresher to me. Here's Us is a good song by itself though.

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  54. Bb, next time stay away from trouble. be cautious in everything, you're talented and all, but you're wasting it on these kind of scandals.

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  55. Dream Girl was accused of plagiarizing a Luis Miguel song. The producer ended up appearing on camera and showing how he worked on the song, etc.

    Though Dream Girl really did sound like the other song, melody and all.

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  56. Too bad I like Red Shoes. The composer of Red Shoes should atleast say something.

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  57. To each his own. Here's Us has a sassiness to it that I think lacks in IU's song.

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  58. he made a video response that pretty much ended the all accusations
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjAp0FkaCNs

    you can tell he's very proud of his composition

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  59. i read netizen#4's comments as stupid fangirls instead of just fans at first...i must have stupidfangirldelusionopia....

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  60. composers are not celebrities, and as i believe the man who composed the song is in fact a well known composer, someone who has received a lot of credit for his work. IU gets credit for the performance not the song, they are two different things. the composer gets credit for the song and he isn't outright celebrated for it because, like i said, he's not a celebrity.

    and yes, the composer should take the hate. plagiarism is "the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own." (thanks google) IU never claimed to be the composer/writer of the song and therefore she should not take the blame when said song is found to be plagiarized ^_^

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  61. Ohhh


    Also also unrelated, but how have you been?? Do you still go on any KPOP forums?

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  62. nowadays NB has been affected by trolls . pretty serious .

    i miss the old NB . clean and calm .

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  63. 7. [+1,157, -186] Honestly, the rhythm is too similar, as well as the middle part... 99.9% it's plagiarized... IU, as if Eunhyuk wasn't enough, now you're plagiarizing... farewell, nation's little sister!



    IU did not do anything but she has to suffer the consequences! That is so wrong!

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  64. i didn't say she did write the song. being cautious means taking part in choosing what and what not to release. which means she should be careful in everything since she's still recovering.

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  65. I've been good!u? I pretty much stick to twitter & OH! now

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  66. Basically everything is a remix

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  67. How is she supposed to do that?

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  68. i agree the the song is plagiarized ....but the hate against IU instead of the composer , is what i don't agree with ....

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  69. Yep. Like every now and then I here a song that I'm 75% I heard before, like I just can't figure out where.

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  70. then Shinee Dream Girl song was also plagiarism, because they sound similar too, but everybody believed when they said it wasn't...

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  71. Heywaitwhatyousaid?October 26, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    She should shave her head, reflex and apologize

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  72. let's be honest, it's too much similar to say that it's a coincidence.
    but i don't think IU should be blamed, rather the composer (and Loen a bit).

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  73. Same. I'm at KPS (KpopSelca) - OH is One Hallyu, right? Are all the old AKP Shawols there? It gets lonely at KPS sometimes. XD

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  74. you mean "reflect" i think xD

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  75. 5. [+1,541, -92] Loen's statement is so patronizing... purposely using musical terms that they know the average person won't know and basically saying, "Haha, us professionals don't think it's plagiarized, not like you guys would know anything about that..." Excuse me, but the song is listened to by the general public. The way they're obsessing over the chords makes it more suspicious.
    THIS!!

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  76. LOEN needs to hire a better PR
    their current PR can't handle problems nicely
    their excuses are super lame
    and for this one i think they should let the composer or arranger step up and explain, not making an excuse that made IU gets more hate

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  77. yep! they're not.. a lot of them went to Kayo. I don't like it that much but I keep in touch with them all on twitter! :)

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  78. There should be like a website where you can submit a song and it detects if how many bars are similar to another song to check for plagiarism.

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  79. yeah that really sucks. It seems to happen to often. Especially if you're a popular artist, you can get away with plagiarism. Also in western music. I feel bad for the actual artists, because it happens often that beeats get "stolen" from lesser known ones. If you plan to take a certain beat or something, people should just pay the original artist instead of claiming fully as their own :S

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  80. uh, im no music expert, im no entertainment person, im no whatever that is related to the industry. uh, maybe study her pieces before releasing it? i don't know, just be extra careful i guess :))

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  81. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 1:43 PM

    I don't know music, but it seems to me that if they're both B flat then it's still the same. if B Flat were a family Major and Minor would be twins, 1 outgoing, 1 shy. I would hope a composer would tweak a few things in the arrangement and not just cut and paste.

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  82. Ikr. That place is filled with shit load of comments

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  83. Am sorry but who are you to judge?? i like IU more than Nekta......just because you think she is better doesn't me you should bash the other ....

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  84. I only hear the beginning sounding the same js.

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  85. Aws ;__; Come to KPS...XD

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  86. it's always like that but i feel bad for IU :/

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  87. There should!! Kind of like how they have it with papers - you can check for academic plagiarism this way. LOL

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  88. I listened to it and it's just too similar for it not to be plagiarism. I don't hate IU or anything but the truth needs be told.
    And for those of you blaming the composer, just listen to yourselves. When the song was doing good, you guys were praising IU and no one cared about the composer, but now that something has gone wrong, it is just the composer's fault?? Both are to blame tbh. It's IU's song for crying out loud!!!

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  89. Where am I bashing? I just said that Nekta's sassiness suits swing better. I never said that IU was a terrible singer who should be thrown into the deepest pit of hell or whatever else constitutes actual bashing.
    Honestly I don't care enough about IU to bash her. She's a good singer but I find her music pretty meh.

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  90. Glad the comment here pretty much 'common' rather at AKP!

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  91. I guess I'm slow because I'm not really hearing the similarity. I'll take a listen again.

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  92. hmmm...good point

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  93. lol she even have to beg her company to include her composed song, Voicemail in the album. she's not in the right place yet to freely choose what and what not should be in her album for the release... all are still being given by the agency no matter what. no matter how LOEN is quite free in giving the freedom to her for making music, the final decision is still not made by her. she may be can suggest songs but the final decision was not hers definitely... unless she make her own company to release her own things of course :P

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  94. seriously! i've been seeing those comments everywhere and it's quite sad :|

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  95. lol, not saying she should decide on her own. of course she's part of a company, her bosses or whoever decide should be also careful. of course what she does reflects the company do.


    i'm just addressing it to her since she represents everyone behind her prods or whatever.

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  96. it's too much commitment! XD I try to visit Kayo from time to time

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  97. hhhhhhhhhh ok it's the same song expect the lyrics and plz we know jazz and no jazz song have the same melody may be the seams feelings but not the same rhythm

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  98. nah so her fans finally know how the feel of getting hate for something you didn't do. No offense. That's how kpop world works.

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  99. I just hear the two songs (IUs and Nektas) a few minutes ago, and I honestly dont think there is plagiarism.

    Plagiarism happens when you write both songs on paper and they are using the same notes, the same lyrics, the same riffs or beats, etc.

    I just dont see that with these two songs. They are just songs using the same style (60's Swing music). It seems that most netizens (koreans and international) are just impressed by that.

    Do this: go to youtube and search for "swing music". You will see the exact same beat and intruments used in dozens of different songs.

    There you go... this video is from 2010:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shzJafxvaq4


    Its the exactly beat from the Nekta song (which is from 2012)... is Nekta plagiarising too?


    Its scary how easy it is to influence people these days on the internet. You guys need to start thinking for yourselves before jumping on any bandwagon.

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  100. Ok I've listened again, and I'm hearing a little bit in the verses, but not enough for me to think it was intentionally done.




    Idk just knowing the history of the producer why would someone who created great original hits like "Abracadabra","Sixth Sense"."Bloom","Irreversible","Good day",You&I","The grasshopper song",and more need to steal when he has proven that he's pretty original in his own right?


    Call me delusional if you want because I'm not jumping on the train, but whatever.

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  101. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    LOEN has a very detailed reply, but in reading between the lines all I hear them saying is:

    http://youtu.be/KoArTZNA5F8

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  102. "Yes they had sex"
    Said no company ever

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  103. Well it sounds similar but there's a process to establish plagiarism so I won't judge without knowing for sure.

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  104. Yup. I agree with comment #10. The composers need to step up and give a detailed explanation about how the beginning sounds similar while the rest does not. Saying "It is a completely different song" is utterly false cause even a small child could say it sounds the same in the beginning.

    Just when IU was catching a break and finishing up promotions, this comes up. Part of me wishes that the person who accused it never brought it up because IU didn't compose the song so she had nothing to do with it.

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  105. "claiming that it's how all the swings/jazz genre songs sound like"


    I've heard this a lot now and i find it to be a stupid excuse
    anyway i don't get why people are bashing IU as if shes the one who wrote and composed it :/

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  106. I laugh at Korean public when they say IU and oh all the supposed good artist's songs are better than SM's or idol's. HHAHAHAHA

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  107. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 2:16 PM

    EASY! By listening to EVERY song ever written just in case this 1 in a million thing happens. I can't believe IU didn't do that and trusted a well known composer not to "subconsciously plagiarize".

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  108. Except it's not just the beat that sounds similar in Nekta and IU's case, it's the melody.

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  109. at least SHINee doesn't have plagiarism problems.

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  110. 5. [+203, -15] It blows my mind that IU fans are shielding this by claiming that it's how all the swings/jazz genre songs sound like ㅋㅋㅋ The controversial part is not the rhythm but the melody, chord, and brass that are all the same.



    Lol as someone who's been in a jazz band (high school for two years), swing/jazz does may sound alike due to the fact that swing/jazz is fast, use clonking (refers to the piano playing style) and is constructed around a big band (which has a set number of sexophones, trombone, and trumpet players), but if you break it down in chord structure and melody lines, these songs are VERY different from each other.


    I listened to both and the only thing that's similar is the introduction with the drum solo. However, legally plagiarism requires at least 4 bars of measure to be used, and the drum solo in IU's song lasts for only 2 bars. So legally, it's not plagiarism.

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  111. amaya aguero monzonOctober 26, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    soooooo I'll still listen to it ! plagiarism controversies are meh

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  112. wow just when I thought IU would catch a break...

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  113. sad...I really like IU´s comeback, the songs and concept. I wonder if she didn´t know it.

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  114. until its your own work that get stolen.

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  115. Swing songs don't all sound the same though, one thing is to have the same characteristics that would define the genre, but is a completely different thing is to sound the same. Those two songs are very similar.

    Anyway, since we are on the topic of swing and just for the hell of it, here is one of my favorite soundtracks ever (Belleville Rendez Vous - Les triplettes de belleville) for those of you who aren't too familiar with the genre ^^

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACXK3g9hpRE

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  116. Then Im going deaf... I honestly cant see any similarities in the melody.



    Nektas song is almost enterely swing... IU's song is swing until around 0:50 and then again in the end, and during this time she is using more low key notes, while Nekta's song already start using higher notes.


    People are saying that the song is 99% plagiarised... then I think it should be easy for anyone here to provide proof. Something like "hey, listen from 0:30 to 0:35, and you'll see that its exactly like Nekta's on 0:40 to 0:45", or something like this.


    Im waiting.

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  117. They did have some problems with Dream Girl. It was blown over pretty quick though since SM knows how to handle controversies and LOEN obviously doesn't.

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  118. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 2:28 PM

    LOEN needs to let go of artist management. The problem is that the composer is ALSO under ttheir management. THIS was his statement. They needed to release 2 separate statements. One expressing IU's surprise, the other defending the song.

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  119. It's generally the same for every plagiarized scandal in KPOP but don't worry idols/singers have a life and most of them are not obsessed with anti coments like us.

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  120. Dream Girl ? plagiarism ?

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  121. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    I like the smart, sassy trolls. The intelligent ones who say things tongue in cheek or the ones who subtly troll. The stupid ones are a bore.

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  122. They have that for academic writing but its still quite a 'flawed' setup and that's just with digitised, on layer of text. Someone could probably have a go but it might be years to get one that's considered worthwhile and no to mention the amount of music you would need on the data base or how long it would take per song to check. I think technology and programming is not quite there yet for this, as ideal as it would be, to be feasible in the near future at least.

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  123. "Yes I'm gay"
    Said no highly questionable idols *cough Jo kwon* cough key* ever

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  124. The song sounded similar...they could have copied the beat and change the cords...who knows..then again i dont really like the red shoes song i prefer between the lips

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  125. brighterthanmushroomsOctober 26, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    This is too alike to be a coincidence...

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  126. oh god fucking allkpop fans are being retarded again.


    The top commentators on allkpop don't think it sounds similar.


    They are so retarded it makes me lose faith in humanity.

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  127. you mean Key.

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  128. ImArnoldSchwarzeneggerOctober 26, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    "Yes, dating rumors are true."

    Said no company ever

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  129. Their response was great tho lol

    "'The Red Shoes' uses a B-flat minor scale chord progression with a B-flat minor-bm7-cm7-cm6-f7sus4-f7 but 'Here's Us' uses a dominant scale chord progression of B-flat major. Also, the chorus and first measure [A part], the song's latter-half bridge part, as well as the overall melody, composition, and instrumental arrangement reveal it to be a totally different song."



    They explained it very professional and technically

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  130. ImArnoldSchwarzeneggerOctober 26, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    you mean Kwanghee

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  131. imagine all the plagarism kpop would get accused of god...

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  132. ImArnoldSchwarzeneggerOctober 26, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Netizens wont understand a sh*t

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  133. Kinda similar but to the point to be called "plagiarism" I don't know because both people here and k-netz just stating based on what they have heard and me too (but I'm not stating that IU's plagiarizing Nekta), not that they actually have the knowledge to call it a plagiarism.


    Btw I prefer IU version, sounds more exiciting, just in my opinion.

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  134. the whole songs almost same except the chorus

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  135. Some elements are really similar, but the fans are being super delusional. It's not her fault they need to accept that much at least.

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  136. "dream girls" 8 months ago

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  137. is it only the verses part? i like the original singer she sounds nice! :D

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  138. i don't really agree, of course people would praise IU for it being a good song if she sings it well, but when it comes to something like the production of the song you literally cannot blame a person not involved in it.
    it's like if you get counterfeit money and you try to use it in a store and you get caught, should you be arrested for using the money even though it was given to you without your knowledge? do you check your money all the time to make sure it's real? no, you just use it. she doesn't check things composers give her for plagiarism, she just sings it.

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  139. *said some companies ever

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  140. What if they change the cords so that they have reason incase accused when they make the song? There r possibility

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  141. Exactly, like comment 5 who's just mad Loen used big words that he can't understand. The song might sound similar to the ears, but alot of songs are sang in similar way anyway. If the notes and scales aren't the same then it's not plagiarism. These netizens who aren't trained in music think they know more than the professionals.

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  142. search on google.."shinee plagiarsm" you'll find so many article

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  143. There ya go:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shzJafxvaq4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPA8RDzl-Ss

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqUEkRNuRd0


    3 different songs. Same beat, same instruments, same feel.

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  144. I wanted to say the same thing here as well. As a professional jazz musician, I've played a LOT of jazz pieces with different ensembles. Jazz composers (particularly in the Swing genre) tend to do a lot of sampling. That PARTICULAR part in both IU and Nekta's song is NOT unique to either of them and can be found in big band swing tunes all the way back to the early 30's.

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  145. hohoho I hope people around the world will do more research first than badmouthing about anything they don't know about. Thanks!

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  146. If this is plagiarism , then all the songs that have dub step and stuff should be considered plagiarism. Almost every song from swing music sounds the same.

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  147. what if iu didn't know......

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  148. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    The reason for this forethought press release is that LOEN also manages the composer.There's nowhere to shift the blame. They needed 2 simple statements.


    OH is shocked and saddened to find out that her song is so similar to blah blah. Seagulls confidence that any similarity was not consciously done by the composer who she has worked with on multiple collaborations. OH hopes that fans will continue to enjoy Red Shoes and enjoy blah blah's version because both songs convey different themes. Blackblack look upon her kindly.


    Lee Minsoo has heard about the similarities in his composition and blah blah. Lee Minsoo is very sad about the similarities because this song was 100% written from his heart. Lee Minsoo has reached out to the original composer to extend an apology for inadvertently causing this issue. LOEN will request an independent panel review the songs and will resolve this issue with their guidance.


    Or something, I don't know. They were just TOO defensive, Netizens want humble, then it's harder for them to kick you.

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  149. Everybody is all "it sounds really similar to my ears, so it must be plagiarism" and I'm sure even if an expert came out to explain why it wasn't people would just think it was an excuse.

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  150. Damn it Loen...*sigh*

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  151. How did I miss this?? Wich Lus Miguel song? I saw shinee's MV and it doesn't look/sound like something Luis Miguel would do o.O

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  152. you could probably find 100s of other jazz inspired songs that sound the same as IU's and Nekta's.

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  153. That would be a great endeavour for 'Shazam' to take up, for instance!

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  154. Let the law handle it, children. Go back to praising your favorite singers and stop passing judgement on the rest. If the song was plagiarized then someone will pay, but in the meantime let's not get ahead of ourselves and claim something that isn't. It may very well be that the song does not legally classify as plagiarism and you're all getting heated up for nothing.

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  155. I think anyone who has an opinion different than yours is probably really retarded... specially considering that you spent your entire life listening to KPOP songs and everyone knows that this makes you an expert in music.


    Thank god you are here on NB sharing your opinions and making this site so much better than AKP.

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  156. idk if this is considered plagiarism but it just sounds very similar.

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  157. People who accuse IU of plagiarizing this Nekta girl needs to understand they are both sampling Ella Fitzgerald, queen of swing. Listen to some of Ella's early stuff and you will find similar riffs throughout her pieces.

    The style of swing IU has in her piece dates back to the 1930s' and 1940s'. Naturally, her piece follows the style of bass and drums as big bands back in those day. Music students in university who train under classical jazz are pretty much instructed to sample riffs from these pieces and to stylize them in a modern way. (How electro jazz was born!)

    Please realize that composers go through years of training to be able to put together songs of this calibre. It IU truly was plagiarizing, I would be the first one outraged because that is one of the biggest taboos in the music industry. The composers put out an explanation which made sense, yet because Netizens don't understand music theory, they brush it off as 'technical jargon' and thus a poor excuse. After listening to both songs, particularly the parts under accusation, I can most definitely say IU is NOT plagiarizing Nekta. In fact, they are both sampling a well-known swing riff that can be found in many other jazz tunes.

    Credentials: Professional (paid) Saxophone player who has 6 years experience playing with a wind ensemble/jazz band.

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  158. thanks, some knets and nb users are fucking delusional

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  159. Just make correction a bit of your statement "Plagiarism happens when you write both songs on paper and they are using the same notes, the same lyrics, the same riffs or beats, etc.". For music/songs just have same certain numbers of bars, we can say it as plagiarism. Even not for half of it have similarities.

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  160. People cry plagiarism as easy as they cry racism these days.Similarity is not plagiarism. I wonder if there is a song produced the last decade that doesn't have similarities with other songs of its sort. Feels like it's almost impossible to do unless its you go out of your way to make it sound weird

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  161. I may be wrong, but I think this is only the legal interpretation of it. And it varies from country to country.

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  162. ^This. changing cords, slowing down the track doesn't make it non-plagiarism. using fancy words =/= make them right.

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  163. it's not wrong that loen is 'throwing' musical terms at you. you do have to have a musical ear to decipher whether it's plagiarized or not. the songs are not similar enough that the call is blatant. unfortunately netizens, even though you think otherwise, you may be wrong in this.

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  164. You know I always try to give allkpop comments a benefit of the doubt but the responses to this article are utterly ridiculous

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  165. Comeback ScheduledOctober 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    Can I get a "Thank you, Sishus from the choir? Amen"

    http://www.youtube.com/Fcuz5QToAok

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  166. Sounds like plagiarism tbh :( but it's the composers and legal team's problem so yh.....and i really like both songs actually, it's my jam \/

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  167. I meant all but I ran out of coughs

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  168. Mostly for the cases like this, composers never step up and say something with their own mouth. And in the end singers and singer's agencies suffers with hates from public. Even those composers are part of those agencies, but they have the right to explaining something like this.

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  169. Oppar_is_not_YoursOctober 26, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    the song was called Vuelve.
    Poor guy he got his song down voted massively because it sounds like their oppars song, even if he released it BEFORE them.I mean logic anyone?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrE4us1ytBs

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  170. A korean in a plagiarism scandal shocking, (sarcasm) She also should forfeit her music bank win.

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  171. Not just kpop, all pop from anywhere in the world would probably get flagged, actually any song. Even the academic writing programs just highlight anything from common phrases matching to several sources every other word to lengthy paragraphs from one source. Getting software to be sophisticated enough to match similarities to anything found in a database of millions and filter out very small matches would require a huge memory.
    Any song you tried to submit would likely get 80% plus matches to something else and it would be bits and pieces here and there from many other songs. Generally for writing if something is considered plagiarism its a poorly paraphrased lift or unreferenced quote but around that a lot of the text usually is highlighted to because all subjects have their own technical language you inevitably use, like all genres of music have something that characterises them. Working out where and how to draw the lines would take a lot of personal judgement still.
    for music they also need to consider when judging if something is plagiarised or not is when the writer/composer first started working on the music so a lot of personal interpretation come into it.

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  172. Oppar_is_not_YoursOctober 26, 2013 at 3:27 PM

    I kinda feel bad for IU, just when I tough everything was going well for her after her scandal, then BAM her comeback song is accused of plagiarism.

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  173. On a similar note, why/how did Roy Kim get away with his plagiarism so easily? His song 'bom bom bom' was such a one-on-one rip-off of another song but he's still having a career as if nothing happened. He got really lucky.

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  174. You don't seem to understand how PR works. If they keep their mouths shut, it will all eventually blow over. Just like how the accusations of plagiarism for SHINee's Dream Girl and Apink's Nonono eventually went away. Netizens don't even care about that anymore. But if IU comes out and admits that it was all a mistake, netizens will call it an excuse and treat it as if she knows she plagiarized and is trying to get away with it by apologizing. You never admit to being wrong in this industry, unless there's solid proof that you are.

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  175. I've understood it and still think it is plagiarized.

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  176. Key is not even that much of a diva, it's all just fans blowing his "bitchiness" out of proportion because they like divas.

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  177. I find it refreshing to see people who are actually interested in music genres such as swing to comment on this site

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  178. Different chord = not plagiarism, another bs from Loen.

    IU looks so cute at those pictures though.

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  179. thanks for this.
    and because of this, I was actually searching more for Swing/Jazz music and I actually like this genre ^^

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  180. This video explains any questions you may have about this article.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

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  181. Both artists are rip offers (though legally cause original piece is from 17th century). Why do you think Acoustic Rain's song is named as Love is Canon?

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  182. JUST LOOK AT THIS VIDEO. THE END.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

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  183. Check out this video showing you how you stupid you are for not knowing about music and being a k-netizen yourself LOL..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

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  184. Theres already a video on this. Your late to the party.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

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  185. not buying the musical mumbo jumbo excuse they gave. nice try though. i do think it was only that one part though, and doesn't a song have to be plagiarized a certain percentage to count for legal action?


    completely unrelated, she looks gorgeous in that first photo.

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  186. It's sad you don't know shit about music and follow the crowd lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ

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