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Sunday, August 18, 2013

Too many idols on too many variety shows




Article: Having idol guests on variety shows are no longer a cure all solution

Source: Mediaus via Nate

Editorial that talks about how variety shows are throwing in random idol guests for the sake of viewer ratings when they don't really work with the program or the cast at all. The article uses EXO as an example, saying, "SM's rookie idol group EXO is busy trying to get their faces known wherever they can. Their guesting on 'Immortal Song' should be considered an aegyo, as they've also been on 'We Got Married' with Taemin as well as on 'I Live Alone' as Kang Ta's juniors. EXO fans may be happy to see their oppas everywhere but there's much to be questioned in how much they actually helped Taemin and Kang Ta on their respective shows."

Lee Joon's guesting on 'The Human Condition' is also used as a random guesting that didn't really do much for the show, instead bringing down the cast since they have to adjust to him being there, etc.

1. [+611, -45] I really think agencies need to stop sticking in their labelmates together on every show. SM is guilty of this especially.

2. {+759, -279] I just really don't want to see those EXO or whatever kids on TV anymore

3. [+502, -91] SM needs to stop the 1+1 deal. You turn on the TV and there isn't a channel SM isn't on. They're going way too far.

4. [+44, -6] I don't even get why EXO is everywhere considering nobody aside from teen girls knows who they are...

5. [+40, -8] As someone who enjoys 'The Human Condition', Lee Joon's guesting was a bit random but it was still good to see him get along with the original cast.

6. [+37, -4] EXO is seriously everywhere. Infinity Challenge, I Live Alone, WGM, Star King;;; Their agency is definitely pulling strings from the back. I feel bad for the opportunities they're taking away from other rookies and debuts.

7. [+33, -13] EXO is going to be on Infinity Challenge next week so I guess I'll be skipping that episode

8. [+29, -6] People are already causing a fuss over EXO being on Infinity Challenge next week.. I wish variety shows would just focus on entertainment. They don't need idols to entertain viewers.

9. [+29, -5] Idols just have way too many hardcore fans~ You say one thing and they're all on you

10. [+24, -2] SM is trashing their own image

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561 comments:

  1. Whoever bring more viewer or money, will win!
    Highest bidder

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  2. I thought EXO were pretty good on WGM. They were fun and personable but they didn't distract from the main cast members, which is exactly what a variety guest should be like in my opinion. I agree that they were not very good on I Live Alone and Immortal Song though.

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  3. Just don't watch if you don't like, Netizens, why is your life really hard.

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  4. Y'know what's a really useless idol variety show? The one that Boom is MCing. All The Kpop. They invite all rookie idols but make them do the most stupid things and even try very hard to form couples with so many kissing games. Ughh

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  5. 6. [+37, -4] EXO is seriously everywhere. Infinity Challenge, I Live Alone, WGM, Star King;;; Their agency is definitely pulling strings from the back. I feel bad for the opportunities they're taking away from other rookies and debuts.



    Star King ? are u seriously ? thats show have a lot of other Idols too

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  6. [+44, -6] I don't even get why EXO is everywhere considering nobody aside from teen girls knows who they are...











    THIS!!!!!!!!!!!well said!

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  7. [+29, -6] People are already causing a fuss over EXO being on Infinity
    Challenge next week.. I wish variety shows would just focus on
    entertainment. They don't need idols to entertain viewers.



    you forgot the rating knetz

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  8. And here iam still unconscious after the news that Shinhwa will be guuesting in next week's Running Man

    Hahaa

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  9. I find some of their comments really contradicting. The point of sticking them into so many variety shows IS to get their names out there. Since when do you have to be a big "SOMEBODY" to attend a variety show? So what SM is pulling some strings behind, that's how the world works. Deal with it.

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  10. 9. [+29, -5] Idols just have way too many hardcore fans~ You say one thing and they're all on you



    so true xD

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  11. Lol Star King always invites idol but I can see how seeing them everywhere would get annoying as a non fan. The only one I'm looking forward to is Immortal Song.

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  12. k-netz clearly doesn't know what is business is all about~

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  13. I think the netizens should just stop complaining and get used to it. It's really inevitable nowadays that they let idols be on a variety show 'cause they make up most of the korean entertainment industry.

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  14. OMG YES! but no Dongwan bcs he is
    still on vacation :(

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  15. of course sm will do that, they're trying to get exo's name out there. it is annoying but what can we do? there's always an oligopoly in the entertainment industry. we see the same people every time.

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  16. lol EXO debut last year but they appear on NONE of variety show

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  17. I dont watch much variety but I think SM went hard with the 1+1 deal when they put Taemin and Kyuhyum in Henrys song Trap. They weren't needed it at all.

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  18. what do these people expect, idols have to promote themselves too

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  19. Goodness. The Exo shade again. What is the use of this article anyway? This is the course for almost every idol group! Why is the article targeting them only.

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  20. LINH LINH PPYONG ❤August 18, 2013 at 5:09 AM

    Too many EXO on NB recently, too. But i like it lol

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  21. People said theres no filming agenda yet hahaa but Dongwan is in SK noow...holiday session is over hahaaa

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  22. I agree that they didn't do much for I live alone. But star king? I don't remember a single episode of star king ever NOT having idols react to their guests. As for WGM they didn't even really talk they just did whatever Taemin told them to do. As for Infinity Challenge next week the guest are TEENAGE GIRLS needing a break. what do teenage girls want? hot guys!

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  23. EXO fans want all the good attention and none of the bad attention, huh. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way~.

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  24. IM STILL IN SHOCK MAN

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  25. Henry need it tho....for promoting purposes....Henry well known in China but not too in Korea......imo

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  26. k-netz are actually care about exo.they always exo that exo this

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  27. exo is their scapegoat

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  28. Shincom still unconfirmed though but heres the translation link from Daum news
    http://malpabo.tumblr.com/post/58584000786/news-shinhwa-running-man-appearance-appearing-on

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  29. That's awkward. We international fans want to see them more in our screens (that's the only way for us to actually watch our biases etc) and K-nets doesn't like it? Oh too bad.... Looks like managements and PDs listens to us more then. :P

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  30. [+33, -13] EXO is going to be on Infinity Challenge next week so I guess I'll be skipping that episode

    thanks for the info bro ... i'm so going to watch it

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  31. I still cant believe it MAN!!! Reading it over and over again and pinch myself just to make sure i'm not dreaming hahaha

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  32. in SHINee member alone exo had been in Minho's To The Beautiful You, Onew's Royal Villa and Taemin's WGM........not to mention others labelmates TV programes........the way SM promoting them is like parasites.....stick in every members from every groups........ #sigh

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  33. almost forgot. immortal song 2 started off as an idol show. for idols to showcase they were more than just idols.

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  34. It doesn't work that way for ALL OTHER IDOLS as well :) EXO is just being targeted this time round cos their promo cycle is seeing success. BTW, every fan would want good attention from the public, not only exo fans ;)

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  35. I agree with what youre saying, but I think theyre saying put to put them in variety shows that they match in. But they probably don't match cause theyre awkward and not amazing at variety yet. I can see some of these netizens points but at the same time I think theyre just blindly hating without really understanding.

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  36. SM should stop 1+1 deal. It will doom the show it self.

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  37. Thank god Kwanghee is no longer in Appa Odiga

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  38. immortal song?whaaat?they did a good job on that...

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  39. And now they're putting amber, chanyeol, eunhyuk, and donghae with him for 1-4-3 promos. Dont get me wrong, i love me some HenBer and EunHae but why cant SM let him promote alone. Sigh

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  40. But their idols. It's their job. If you get so sick of watching them all the time, then why do you watch the TV? This is one of the ways idols have always promoted, it's not new...

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  41. Taemin and Kyuhyun were there more to boost the songs popularity.

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  42. before, when idols guest on variety shows, it was fun
    not it's like "just put as many as you can"
    if they all have what it takes i will be ok, but the problem is that most of them have no presence whatsoever..

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  43. i think this will my 3rd time i watching IF..the first time was idol star golden bell...
    2nd is just when IF cast suddenly met super junior at han river..and i just watched that part...LOL

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  44. Hey Sm wtf are you doing trying to promote and make money! Stop that shit! Stop trying to do your job right now!

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  45. I think that it's okay they give idols an opportunity at guesting at shows, there are some very good variety idols that make shows better, on the other hand, I think it's wrong that companies use their power to stuck their idols everywhere they can even when they are not good at it and bring down the show's quality.

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  46. well it's Boom. what do u expect

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  47. Netizens could turn the TV off and read a book now there's a fuckin' thought.

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  48. I love seeing my idols on variety show but I also understand that sometimes some people want to just watch it freely w/out any idol. Not all will be satisfied honestly.


    Just seeing my idols are enough. If they get into a variety show, I'll put it on my calender. If not, than I'll still watch it since most of the variety show is funny. Everyone can't be pleased in my opinion. People will always hate.

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  49. SM loves cross promoting their artists and they have a large network. It's shameless, but you know that if the other agencies could, they would too. To The Beautiful You was pretty much a SM production, which explains why they have a lot of SM idols involved.

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  50. It's to help promote Henry as an artist in Korea. If you noticed in his Trap promotions, after the first few weeks he started performing by himself and I think the same'll happen here.

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  51. the only variety show i watch w/o idol is running man...for other show, i only watched for my favorite idol...

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  52. The problem with EXO is that these kids still lack of entertaintment skill. Although I gotta admit they did improve a bit this year, it still is not enough to actually attract other people who are not their fans. EXO M actually did good last year in Chinese variety show but somehow they can't do the same in Korean variety show, which probably mainly because of the language barrier. Well hopefully SM find a way for them to handle this

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  53. I hate when there comes guest to promote on Human Condition. I don't think it fits in the program format to do that, it kind of ruins the show a bit in my opinion.

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  54. I could understand that but atleast make proper use of them. They seriously did nothing special for the song, if anything they made him look like he wasnt ready because they put in two stronger vocalists and that made Henrys voice sound weaker.

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  55. i actually don't get why idols have to be in star king especially on that reality show (or what u call it) where they use idols to act out the problems the show is trying to solve (just found out it's called Love and War)

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  56. sure Henry don't need them my baby is amazing ... but girl i don't mind some eunhae

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  57. The real sad thing here is Kangta gets released from the SM dungeon only to be used as someone to promote other SM groups.

    Also, I don't see why Netizens are complaining. The shows Exo are appearing on have tons of idols on them all the time, so if you don't like idols you wouldn't be watching it in the first place.
    The day we see Exo (or at least some of the members) on Running Man is the day for Exo fans to rejoice. It seems like that's the hardest one to get on. You have to be well liked or widely known for it.

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  58. It also could've been to help Henry get used to performing alone on stage.

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  59. teen girls all around the world tho.... ._. *i'm not a fan but it's true

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  60. [+44, -6] I don't even get why EXO is everywhere considering nobody aside from teen girls knows who they are...

    THIS

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  61. . You can switch the channel and watch some kdrama. You can nagging but Tao and Kris can enjoy their pizza.
    But sometime how bad EXO in Netizen point of view they always become hot topic .

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  62. Jenizz | pinkcrownAugust 18, 2013 at 5:20 AM

    Thanks knets for saying what I thought this whole time... there's always 1+1 with SM... annoying..

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  63. yeah...and i stop watching after my bias idol stop appearing

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  64. If netizens think they have too many idols, I'll trade them Bieber for all of their girl groups.

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  65. I want a show like Star Golden Bell where it was balanced between Gag men, Singers/Idols and Actors it was fun to see.

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  66. I am agree with u I am a fans it self but their variety skill euggh.. NO
    But I think because many member just have 1/2 year trainee period I hope they can improve ^^

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  67. I sometimes wonder why Boom is even still in the industry. Either he's completely deluded himself to thinking he's actually popular or somebody from behind is giving him a big push. Not one person I know said they found him likable in even one way.


    The fact that his mandatory service record is also horridly appalling also shows he's a bit of a dick, and that's putting it subtly.

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  68. 6. [+37, -4] EXO is seriously everywhere. Infinity Challenge, I Live Alone, WGM, Star King;;; Their agency is definitely pulling strings from the back. I feel bad for the opportunities they're taking away from other rookies and debuts.



    I don't, it's a dog eat dog world and SME are Rottweilers.

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  69. But exo is on really little shows compared to other grroups lol

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  70. I saw a comment once complaining about idols on IS2 and it was the funniest thing I'd read all day, lol. I'm still waiting for SJ-KRY to guest on it as a girl, the dreams of a fangirl haha.

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  71. LOL XD
    well..before this, he used to be one of my favourite mc but after army.... -_-'

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  72. same here i just watched because of shirtless siwon

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  73. Solution - make an idol-specific show where they're put into teams of 10-30 and put into an urban or forested arena with paintball or airsoft guns.

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  74. Sounds like Battle Royale

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  75. It's not only the language barrier, but SM likes delegating speakers in the group when it comes to shows and appearances. Naturally, since they are in Korea, the Korean members get to speak more. Most of the Chinese members can speak Korean pretty well, except for Tao.

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  76. Well, that's the point. Getting people to know them. Lol.

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  77. I think that was actually a smart move, he's relatively unknown to the general public, getting kyuhyun in it gave him a plus, and adding taemin made shawols also be interested and buy/support the song, and got some of the general public to listen to it too, in this case it did help henry.

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  78. LOL Knetizens why is your life so hard :)

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  79. And Oh My School too! Those were the good ol days

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  80. they need at least two who are really good and have a good sense of humor, the rest can improve over time
    that's how SJ did it

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  81. Same, haha. It was also hilarious how the other members frantically put their shirts back on but Siwon was just casually shirtless the entire time xD

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  82. {+759, -279] I just really don't want to see those EXO or whatever kids on TV anymore

    It's pointless to pretend you don't at least know their name.

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  83. Well EXO in the latest Weekly Idol is fun

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  84. Haha, you took the words right out of my mouth (or in this case, my fingertips).

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  85. ts how you get famous Showing your face everywhere so people will be like ohh its that guy.if u stay out of sight/attention then you become invisible Also its not like EXO is getting all the shows just a part of the program

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  86. i miss that show!!! really sad when the show end~

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  87. SW always use "ride others popularity" method. Sometimes annoying though.

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  88. More like Tibetan Mastiffs.

    http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0014/QGxfz13152.jpg

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  89. it was sad that they changed Oh My School so much it was fun at first but they killed it TT_TT I like the first few episodes

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  90. Hope they have better use of them. All I'm saying is if you're going to make lablemates feature in a song with him atleast make them useful. Henry could have done Trap all by himself.

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  91. exo are in kangta's show, boa and shinee's performances, snsd's mvs, super junior's concerts, f(x)'s promotions...

    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0gs8bfd31qdlkgg.gif

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  92. Well...Its how you get recognition Many people(other than idols) do that not only EXO They only took a part in WGM

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  93. Just grateful to not see my SJ in that photo and among the comments haha

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  94. they can't. because idols are everywhere whenever you turn on the damn tv! if you are not in korea, you can't say that easily.

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  95. Amen. Tip for prospective idols: get into SME if you wanna make it big.

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  96. it was just one episode.. he guested there

    for 30 min or less

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  97. I'm down for lablemates having parts in eachothers songs, but I think Trap wasn't the song for them to feature in.

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  98. EXO isn't the only idol who appear on variety shows -___-
    and they didn't do any variety shows last year too
    so i think its pretty normal to have them appear on shows recently this year :v


    Netizens are being the way too harsh with EXO -_-

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  99. feel sorry for knet..
    this is what happern when exo didn't appear in any variety show last year..now, they are everywhere~
    ha3

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  100. Pfffftttt. EXO showing up on shows with other SM artists is nothing new. Same thing happened with all their other artists when they were rookies. Super Junior and SNSD showing up in a lot of each other's variety/reality show appearances before. SHINee showing up and performing in Heechul and Kangin and TRAX's reality show. Nothing new. Obviously SM would out their rookies into shows that they can put them in, aka the shows their other artists are in.

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  101. And SNSD were in Super Junior Mvs, f(x) was in Shinee's mv, Super Junior were in BoA's mvs and performances.

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  102. How else are idols going to get their names known in the sea of rookies??

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  103. I don't mind idols on variety but sm artists are mostly just fucking boring!!

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  104. at least we know what the public thinks

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  105. I think almost every label does that tbh...its just the way SM did it for Trap that I wasn't feeling.

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  106. haters gonna hate -_-

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  107. Shit, if I was an idol I wouldn't let SM reject me. I'd audition over and over again till they said yes.

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  108. DBSK had their debut performance on the BoA/Brittany Showcase. DBSK/SJ also had a joint single in SJ's debut year.

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  109. Isn't that the purpose of making them appear EVERYWHERE? To get EVERYONE to KNOW them? LOL

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  110. Jenizz | pinkcrownAugust 18, 2013 at 5:33 AM

    Most famous group: Big Bang
    Why?: Music

    They barely went/go to shows because they can persuade you with their music.

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  111. I wonder if SM is on the same level as Johnny's Entertainment in Japan.

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  112. shinee key and snsd yuri were on sj's movie
    snsd sooyoung in kangin's movie

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  113. They used to be in pretty much all variety shows, too, you know.

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  114. Sort of. SM would have to concur acting to be equal to Johnny's.

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  115. Last year, people were complaining about EXO's lack of appearances on varieties and now they're complaining that they're participating on too many varieties? LOL. I honestly don't get why they're complaining. Don't like it then don't watch it! As simple as that:/

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  116. Why k-nets always bring exo n SM, you cannot stop SM for getting Exo in variety shows, it's like telling Sams*ng to stop distributing their products to every electronic shop. They are idol, That's their job to be on a television program -_-

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  117. This is nothing new...It's obvious any agency will try to tag along their rookies with their seniors in an episode of a show. It's not only SM's doing. I've seen Secret with B.A.P before, Sistar with Boyfriend and many more.
    Fans like it. Fans are also viewers. Broadcast stations should consider the variety of their viewers and their tastes...
    People just want to hate on EXO and anything SM related.. SMH

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  118. im kyuhyun biased but i agree with u
    henry could do it alone
    and taemin had so many lines too

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  119. same here. i'm so gonna watch it now:D

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  120. Actually yes they were... at least half of the YouTube viewers were shawols and elf who were there for TaeKyu, but most of them ended up returning because they liked the song. It's a promotional tactic. But promoting songs is the only time this is acceptable.

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  121. Rather than useless appearance on variety shows, please give us the actual thing : Great Music...Show us the music that can make any haters shut up and lovers going crazy.

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  122. yes . even without idols , variety shows still can be good . i prefer comedian rather than idol . and i remember dad where are you going still can get high views without idol ( except ep 1 , kwanghee joined them ) the kids are more entertaining than them .

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  123. LOL same here XDD
    I think the reason is that SJ are variety idols - they ARE funny!
    From what I got here, the main problem was that there were too many and not really entertaining idols stuck into shows. This can honestly not be said about SuJu :)
    Even though some members are recently becoming real variety stars - like Kyuhyun - some of them were professional entertainers from day one - like Heechul, Kangin and so on. This made them different from all other rookies and got them a Variety Idol status.

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  124. Let me translate that for you: "Hey guys, my interests is so much better than your! I have to constantly validate what I like so I can feel superior than you!"

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  125. don't they do it all the time? what is wrong with a group appearing on tv during their promotion period?

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  126. what did u see in him? o.o
    he is just.. idk.. bad?

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  127. EXO on WGM was good. It was different and quite refreshing. So, I guess they meant that to stick idols in shows that are suitable for them. Not sure about I Live Alone and Infinity Challenge, haven't seen them on it to say anything.


    I guess in time if EXO really make it big much to their sunbae level (DBSK/SNSD), people would stop have these comments then.

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  128. Jenizz | pinkcrownAugust 18, 2013 at 5:39 AM

    Uhm? They barely are anywhere.. like in the past.. whereas sm idols are EVERYWHERE like seriously.. For the last promotions they were on Running Man, Go Show and uhm..?

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  129. you must be one of the fangirl. lolzz. i can feel the netizens

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  130. Oh my god, thank you for reminding us about that. I thought I was the only one who hated the 1+1 deal.
    Anyways, to stick to the point of the article... my un-popular opinion is that k-nets are kinda right on this one. I'm an exo fan, and I liked seeing them on weekly idol, but I'm not delusional to think that thek-nets are wrong.


    C'mon guys, obviously they have every right to complain. They watch TV for entertainment, and to have to see the same faces shoved into every show must be annoying. Imagine seeing Miley Cyrus every night on your tv. And to all you people saying that netizens should just not watch tv; are you guys serious? These people are paying money for their cable, so they have a right to voice their opinions in hopes of getting better enjoyment out of their money.



    Yes, idols always appeared on variety, but the influx this year really is crazy. Especially, since only a handful are really good at them.



    And yes, I like seeing exo on variety, however I am sick of having SM stick them into everything. It might be good business for them, but the public will start hating on exo more. Specially since the way they're being promoted is very parasitic.

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  131. Why not create variety shows where idols are the main casts. Okay I'm going too much...

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  132. Yeah when they were fresh and needed to promote more, just like Exo Situation right now

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  133. SHINee were in SNSD MV, with SJ in variety shows and with BoA , TVXQ and both SNSD and SJ in performances.

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  134. exo is everywhere
    it's not that i don't like it

    but sometimes i think it was too much
    everything that's too much isn't good

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  135. I know hehe their variety skills are the best ^_^ Was just afraid that they'll be pulled in! Relieved that their skills are recognised :)

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  136. because before the army,he always with sj (sj is my bias)...they matched well in variety...so, i like them in show together

    actually, its just around year 2009 i like him..and he went to army in the same year
    after he out of army, he just become annoying to me

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  137. It's actually a good idea. Look at how Weekly Idol is doing very good.

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  138. LOL SM is doing their job! and doing it so well at that! All u Knets an talk about these days is EXO xd

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  139. They could be on the same level if SM have another "Jin Akanishi".

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  140. Well... There is already Shinhwa Broadcast... And it's very funny XD

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  141. Sometimes I wonder shy they remove certain shows and then bring in shows that are just completely useless. I mean I really liked Oh!My School. I actually watched a lot of the episodes but they had to cancel it.



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  142. yeah....but that's annoying for SHINee fans....since exo fans always invite war......dont even try to deny it....bcoz i know!

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  143. Jenizz | pinkcrownAugust 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM

    Lol if you think so... just saying thatit works with less appeaeances too.. well if the music is good. ;)

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  144. yeah SJ are good, most of them at least

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  145. Jenizz | pinkcrownAugust 18, 2013 at 5:46 AM

    Even then notas much... just compare it to SuJu.. xD
    There's really not much to watch of Big Bang..

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  146. Jenizz | pinkcrownAugust 18, 2013 at 5:46 AM

    *What basically all non-fans think.

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  147. yes, SGB was one of the best variety shows... T_T

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  148. You sound like someone who knows NOTHING about KangTa and just trying to use this to prove a valid point. KangTa is not in the dungeon. He is appearing in The Voice Korea. He did Chinese movies or drama, not very sure. Also he had his own cooking show....

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  149. The mention of "the famed DBSK-Super Junior friendship" will get an upvote from me for this comment XDD

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  150. EXO on Infinity Challenge..... but I heard they're not going to guest but just passing through in few minutes.... still. I'll waiting for the eng subbed videos~

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  151. its easy for you to say. imaging having bieber or one direction in nearly all channels. I wouldn't like the idea at all

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  152. HUL!!! The next thing they will be complaining about is too many actors and comedians in variety shows.. -______-

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  153. Same thing for all Kpop idols actually

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  154. "I feel bad for the opportunities they're taking away from other rookies and debuts."

    OH REALLY. and then the keyboard warriors start to type "if you don't know them, vote up" ; "I don't even know who you are" ; "who are they? are they human beings?" when some rookies debuted and get popular even by a bit of scandal made by journalist *cough* vixx *cough*

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  155. and finally the whoever get more haters. lol!

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  156. Mah name is Justin. Wow. Fangirl. But yes I like EXO, they are pretty talented imo. At least I'm not BLINDLY hating on them.

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  157. Still unconfirmed from Shincom but heres the translation from Daum news
    http://malpabo.tumblr.com/post/58584000786/news-shinhwa-running-man-appearance-appearing-on

    Anw...thats my fav pic from Jongsuk hahaa

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  158. Dad where are you going has singers, actors and news anchor.. They are not comedians.. How is that any different than idols?

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  159. That only works if Big Bang actually makes good music. But whatever helps you sleep at night I suppose.

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  160. thanks for the info.. i'm so gonna skip it too

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  161. EXO guesting on these shows isn't meant to help the show, it's to use that show to get EXO's name out there. SM does this a lot with their rookies, nothing new.

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  162. as expected from one of exo's fangirl

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  163. It was a pretty good move though. It brought him fans as a solo.

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  164. They sure know a lot about EXO's schedule for people who hate them lol

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  165. you are so cute .. try harder

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  166. Trap being promotional tatic was a given.I just thought it was obvious that they just threw them in there and gave them no real purpose. Henry could have handled the song just fine. Atleast one member would have been fine but two members from very popular groups was just so plainly obvious that SM was throwing them in there as a package deal and for promotional reasons.

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  167. How is promoting useless? I know you are trying to show off like you know music and music industry but you just seem ignorant and snobby to me. XD

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  168. 10. [+24, -2] SM is trashing their own image

    NO! they never really target their music for the koreans in general but for the strong fanbase!!
    But yeah now they r trying hard to get EXO name out there!!

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  169. you know what was a really good show? Xman and Love letter, there were probably 3-4 idol members and the rest were solo artist, gag men and it was super fun to watch especially with yoo jae suk and kang ho dong being the mcs

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  170. SM got what they wanted!! It works! /Clap clap/

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  171. Don't forget actors too..

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  172. This is literally EXACTLY how almost every other SME idol group starts out. With the netizen culture as it is, there's no way around the hate for more publicity. Fortunately for all you Exo fans, SM artists have a good track record of making their way out of the bashing 2-3 years into their careers. Y'all just have to wait it out.

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  173. But the rating is low!! Mayb coz not that many A-lists idols r coming out!

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  174. And that's out of jealousy on how far SM has grown and EXO has won on music shows and their diehard fans (on the other hand, Diehard fans=$$ )

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  175. elfs were there to support Henry

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  176. and actress YoonEunHye, bck then she was not that popular though.

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  177. I'm soo agree with you. I wouldn't mind them guesting on so many shows if they are entertaining but I found most of the shows with them are awkwards and boring. I get it that they will develop over time but its not right to guess in so many shows when you skills are like that. what I couldn't understand more is the fangirls act as if they are so good and fun in variety shows.

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  178. They all REMEMBER wht shows they huv been on. It's possible that they know when they come out, but naming all the shows mean they r actually paying attention them. and i guess that's SM fishing for.

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  179. For me, X-Man had the perfect balance/mix of actors, gagmen, and singers. There were only maximum 4 current idols that would appear, basically a mix of DBSK, SS501, and Super Junior members, and they wouldn't be hogging camera time either. Love Letter, too.

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  180. 6. [+37, -4] EXO is seriously everywhere. Infinity Challenge, I Live Alone, WGM, Star King;;; Their agency is definitely pulling strings from the back. I feel bad for the opportunities they're taking away from other rookies and debuts.


    In WGM, without EXO, who would give the gift (on behalf of Taemin) to Apink...also, it was convenient since both EXO and Apink were in the same music show (when EXO was still promoting "Wolf")...and they're only on the show for a few minutes in one episode...idk what's the big deal.

    In I Live Alone, you could say that EXO is the supporting actors to make the show more interesting - to see relationship between senior and junior, senior giving advice etc. It was coincidence that both Kangta and EXO, who came back from music core, was in the SM building anyway....

    Star King, Weekly idol, Beatles code etc. - mostly all group will be the guest on the show at least once...except for last week weekly idol (because they got the highest viewer rating, so that's why the PD wants them back as a congrats or something) and Beatles Code - idk? probably wants to invite the other half of the group or the same situation as weekly idol?

    You could say it was all coincidence that they're on a lot of shows this year...but none last year, so fair enough. Don't know why the writer mentioning this now when some rookie groups were on the show with senior group last year or few years ago...

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  181. Not to mention that they're everywhere in ads, too, whether in print or commercials. They're literally everywhere.

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  182. I want to watch that show but I can't find links that works anymore so I haven't seen it... do you know where I can watch it with Eng Sub?

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  183. Why is the blame only on the idols and not the PD's who agree to let them on the show, or sometimes were the ones to invite them in the first place? Why not put some of the blame on them for having too many idols on variety shows?


    Besides, asking idols not to appear on variety shows is like asking chefs not to cook, cleaners not to sweep the floors or drivers not to use a car. Its part of their job so WTF are they complaining about? If you don't like it then feel free not to watch.


    If inviting idols onto variety shows was a problem, then weekly idol or WGM would be in serious trouble. Even the best varieties like running man or infinity challenge invites idols every now and then. Without idols, that's like cutting the amount of ideas in half so what fun would that be?

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  184. Haters gonna hate. :)

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  185. Henry is multi-talented and seems like a nice person too. Hope to see him in Korean variety.

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  186. boom is an ultimate douchebag ugh

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  187. There are some episodes still uploaded in YouTube, I think. You just have to be specific in looking for it. I think the easiest to find in YouTube is the DBSK special and the Shinhwa special. I think they can still be downloaded somewhere, too, if the links are still alive. I know someone from Soompi reuploaded everything a couple of years back with subtitles and all.

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  188. The problem with SM is that they tend to prioritize on their music acts, in particular, idol groups. Many of their trainees (and the EXO members themselves) have been trained on a variety of skills - dancing, singing, rapping and often on top of that, modelling, acting, variety and hosting. I think it's safe to say that some of the trainees may have joined SM under a different pretense (eg. to pave a career in modelling or acting or hosting and not necessarily music), but for whatever reason, gets added to an idol group line up instead as SM probably sees it easier to debut music idols first and then let the individual members branch out into their areas of expertise.
    The bad thing about this approach though, is that the public/netizens often become resentful with seeing 'idols' taking acting, hosting and variety show roles because they don't find them 'worthy'.

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  189. nb pls tranzlatezzzzzzzzzzz http://t.co/yjfapKUG0h

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