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Wednesday, May 15, 2013

Kim Jo Kwang Soo hopes to fight for the legalization of gay marriage




Article: 'Coming Out' director Kim Jo Kwang Soo, "I will fight for the legalization of gay marriage"

Source: Mydaily via Naver [2] [TRIGGER WARNING: homophobia]

1. [+914, -137] In my head, I feel like I can understand the sexual minority but looking at the last picture makes me want to throw up.

2. [+731, -83] Shouldn't have uploaded that last kiss photo... I admit that it's still hard for me to accept it...

3. [+762, -153] Are you kidding me with that last photo ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

4. [+673, -77] I know that the sexual minority deserve rights but... Can we take down that last picture... Naver also has users who are young kids, this is going to influence them..

5. [+552, -90] Did you have to upload that picture when kids read these articles too????

6. [+407, -110] Feeling disgusted by gay love is also our freedom and right so stop forcing us to acknowledge it. So disgusting.

7. [+764, -203] Hullllllllll~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this is making me puke~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8. [+758, -215] This is so wrong... Their love may be precious to them but do they really want to pull something off like this when they know that people will think it's gross... Are they  begging for attention..

9. [+627, -151] oh my god jesus

10. [+125, -12] I always used to tell everyone that I can understand gay love but... seeing it through a picture like this, I guess I can't..ㅜㅜ It's difficult to wrap my head around it

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293 comments:

  1. Netizens, pls. ._.

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  2. this post is going to be GREAT

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  3. I'll just leave this here.

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  4. I'll never understand how ppl justify keeping gay marriage illegal because "it makes me feel icky" or "it's not natural". monogamous marriage isn't natural either lol

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  5. The negativity & (seemingly) confusion expressed in the comments is just sad. I hope SK (& the rest of the world for that matter) will be able to one day respect one's sexuality, gender, & sexual identification.

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  6. the comments are infinitely more disgusting and disturbing than anything in those pictures

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  7. To be fair, a lot of people are uncomfortable with public displays of affection. I'm all for equal rights but I don't think anyone needs to be that close in front of cameras whatever gender..

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  8. you don't feel attracted to people of the same sex? that's fine. carry on with life.


    but stop trying to dehumanize the love other humans feel and preventing them from expressing that love.

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  9. I don't understand why these people are so isolated and not open minded with this topic. Korea has one of the best technology out there yet they view this as disgusting. I'm sure they see lots of these on the internet.

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  10. nah, you don't see these types of comments in the press con posts of other celebrities that got married recently. there's clearly something else going on.

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  11. Kim Jo Kwang Soo didn't have a brilliant first impression with me.
    I don't have anything against his relationship, but PDA is uncomfortable with me. Doesn't matter he's gay or straight.

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  12. Koreans shocked by boys kiss? Quite ironic when you see so many male idols and entertainers playing to kiss me - kiss me not~

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  13. You know what grosses me out? People kissing when everyone knows they're cheating on each other and pretending to be happy for their "image". Should we take down all the pictures of failed couples fooling each other and everyone else? No? How about drunk people swallowing each other whole in sorority parties and posting about it online? Nope?

    Ok then, let's stop asking for others to hide what we don't like seeing. If you don't like seeing that, look away. Also, "influence children"? Does gayness travel through images? Oh damn, stop showing medical shows! We'll all get cancer! Men will grow vaginas if they watch a rom-com! Quick! Turn off your televisions! Unplug the internet!

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  14. '10. [+125, -12] I always used to tell everyone that I can understand gay love but... seeing it through a picture like this, I guess I can't..ㅜㅜ It's difficult to wrap my head around it' especially that last pic..*sigh*seems like i have that homophobi afterall..

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  15. yes it will unfluence kids... it will make them understand that being gay is not something that is wrong, and that you should not be ashamed of being. They will learn that it occurs, even in korea. And that youre not alone. They are great examples. I praise them for doing this.

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  16. These people should be wiped off the planet immediately

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  17. I bet if it was two gorgeous girls, the comment would be different...

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  18. 1. I read Kim Kwang Soo and I was like "WHAAAAAA" LOL
    2. Good for him. Fight for your rights.

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  19. [+673, -77] I know that the sexual minority deserve rights but... Can we take down that last picture... Naver also has users who are young kids, this is going to influence them..



    Really now? this is the internet if kids are using the internet they will most likely have access to a lot of thing that are far more influencing and disturbing that two men kissing...

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  20. Korea still has a loooooooong way to go.

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  21. Faking gayness is fine. Fangirls making groups "shipping" imaginary idol couples, writing gay fanfiction and making gay Photoshop manipulation in a grand display of playing with human lives and real existing people's sexuality like they're dollies is fine.

    Real gayness? God forbid we let that shit happen! It's sick! People will start being with the person they like and living together and stuff. No no. Only if we allow it and like it. In fact, let's all ban everything we don't like and demand no one messes with our own rights, since we should be allowed to do what we want, but others shouldn't. Makes sense.

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  22. if you think same sex kiss is disgusting then... dont kiss someone of the same sex you have lol

    you cant ask people to stop doing something just because its disgusting for you. if you dont like then dont do it. mind your own business

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  23. 4. [+673, -77] I know that the sexual minority deserve rights but... Can we take down that last picture... Naver also has users who are young kids, this is going to influence them.



    yeah guise quick hide the picture before the kids realize homosexuality exists lol


    ... I wonder if they know that lots of male idols kissed in front of their teen fans and there are many pics around. or are those different because no idol will ever admit he's gay?


    HA.

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  24. LMAO at KKS XXD That would be epic though, I would make popcorn for everybody here if that was true

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  25. I hope more folks are emboldened to come out when they're ready by looking at this. He and his partner are brave to do this in a country like Korea where it seems like there's about a millenia to go before things can change.


    Fight for your rights and don't let bigots bring you down.

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  26. What's with the comment about influencing kids...seriously don't understand these people.

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  27. i don't understand how it's hard to wrap your head around the fact that sometimes people don't fall in love with someone of the opposite sex. it's as simple as that. they're making it seem like a complex mathematical equation made of letters and numbers; constantly trying to solve for y and coming up with question marks when the answer is plain as day - like, you don't even need a draft sheet to figure it out.

    i wish him good luck and i hope that the gay community will help back him up on it; especially the younger generation - it's their country and these are things they can help fix to make their future and the future of others so much better.

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  28. THE majority of the comment are disgusting and majorly disturbing! SAD SAD SAD SAD very SAD indeed. KIm jo kwang i admire ur courage, please continue on fighting for gay marriage.

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  29. I am not disgusted but merely uncomfortable. Growing in a society where homophobia is not the norm.... it's really hard to accept it.
    I accept gays as people and respect them but when it comes to some of their private practices, please leave it behind close doors.

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  30. South Koreans are conservative and remained traditional throughout the years. My Korean friend told me so. Not all people in Korea have internet.

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  31. The world has still a LONG way to go.

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  32. I ship Infinite and their best butt contest lol http://youtu.be/bPQbVEsURj8

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  33. Well I'm all for gay rights, but he's been sort of a jerk about this the entire time. He knows that he can't shove it down peoples throats because they won't take that very well, but he's still doing that. I think he should have been at least a little more wary of the way he presents the gay community.

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  34. I'm still uncomfortable with the pics.
    There should have been aleast a warning on the title...

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  35. what do you mean?

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  36. Haha I can understand this perfectly way. I actually differentiate "homophobia" and "hatred for gays" because homophobia is just a phobia - you can have a phobia of water or phobia of heights, and just because you're homophobic doesn't mean you have to discriminate against gays or tell them to go die. It just means that you can't fully accept them OR they make you feel uncomfortable - you don't need to hate on them (even though personally, I don't mind homosexuality and I have a lot of gay friends).


    For some reason though, I get uncomfortable with kissing in public period. I can't even stand straight couples shoving their tongues inside each other's throats on the streets... makes me want to look away... and older men like them kissing is just a big no-no for me (heck, my parents kissing is yucky to me!)

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  37. homosexuals are probably the one group that wont get equal rights the near future. fact is that there are just too few of them (what is it? 10%) and the majority of people either hate them, or dont care about them. personally, like the vast majority of other people, i do get uncomfortable but that doesnt mean i intend to deny them the rights that i have myself. regardless, its always funny how women defend gay men, men defend gay women yet both sexes react in the opposite way if the individual is of the same gender as they are: disgust. lol at the hypocrisy of human beings.

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  38. Hahahaha Omg... I can't believe Gay love is a problem in other parts of the world... xD I just relly can't understand that!!


    btw the couple looks really cute!!

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  39. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww sorry but ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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  40. Here comes the enraged liberal army, ready to generalize all Koreans because of comments on an article. Not that they don't represent the sentiments of the majority, indeed homosexuality isn't accepted in Korea. I'm just sick of idiots who go around pretending that means Korea or any country for that matter is the worst place on earth. To give an example, so many "progressed" countries are responsible for the justification and politicization of millions of children whose only sin is being different from them, that must mean the citizens of those countries are evil and intolerant towards people who are different than them, right? This isn't a comparison as irrelevant as you would like to think and I'm just about done with people acting like the only ignorance in the world to exist is in countries they can look down on from their more progressed countries. Different cultures exist and they affect the people living in them. Something you view as basic human decency to accept in your culture is foul to even witness in another. Get over it, unless you have gazillions of other tabs open making condescending comments about a culture you don't live in, through a goddamned gossip site.

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  41. think of the children!!!!!
    lol as if kids would go gay because they saw a pic of 2 dudes kissing.
    i wonder if they would fawn over it if these guys were hot.

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  42. I don't find the comments disgusting tbh . . .

    [+125, -12] I always used to tell everyone that I can understand gay love but... seeing it through a picture like this, I guess I can't..ㅜㅜ It's difficult to wrap my head around it.

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  43. well it's against nature and all religion banned it ...so it's forbidden .....

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  44. I'm disappointed in this. I'm all supportive for gay rights but I don't think forcing people to accept it like this is a right way. In South Korea, it's actually frown upon for a straight couple to kiss on the streets (in a lot of cases, the elderly will scold youngsters trying to kiss on the streets and such) and even dramas have very censored kissing scenes (or morel like pecking if you'd ask me)... he's being too pushy with it. He should act more like this gay comedian (sorry, I don't remember his name) as he tries to put homosexuality in a nice/warm light by joking about it but also being honest when spilling his feelings, which is making people slowly warm up to him. THAT is the right way to do it. Not this kind of pushy way. It will only make people want to turn away.

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  45. first time ever am with netizens ......am just against gays and lesbians ..

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  46. omg these comments......... just WTF!! you say you feel disgusted by their love, i say i feel disgusted to live in the same planet as you people, just what's wrong of 2 people in love wanting to get married & live a happy life??? they don't want your money, they don't want anything from you but just live a happy life... every person deserves to be happy, is that so hard to understand you homophobic freaks???

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  47. I could never understand homophobics, it's their lives not yours, they can chose whoever they want as a partner as long as they're happy and not hurting anyone. everyone has their own preference and if it was different from yours try to respect that or at least ignore it. why would you leave all these hateful comments? do gays harm anyone or cause death to other people or smth? they are just living their life.

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  48. Are you kidding me with that last photo ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ loool

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  49. Just because people speak up about problems does not mean they think the country is Hell on Earth. We have huge problems in any and every country and anyone who claims their own country is Heaven is blind. Does that mean we should stop commenting on such issues?

    We like South Korean entertainment and can see how talented and smart and capable Koreans as a people and a nation are. We choose to talk about these things because we appreciate certain good qualities we'd like to see shine and outweigh the bad. Someone else might be interested in Nigerian society or culture and choose to speak about that and that's fine.

    Culture is not an excuse to abuse people and deny them the right to regulate their own life if it does not harm others. Culture is not an excuse to control the life of someone else if it does not fit your own taste. If and when I see those injustices in my own country, I speak up about them too. I believe most people do the same. This is a site for South Korea, however. Of course we'll talk about South Korea. Is it surprising we focus on that one here?

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  50. There should be a warning before your shitty posts so we don't need to read them.

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  51. nice wall of text, thumbed down without reading it PEACE

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  52. Hmm, frankly I think that Asian countries like S. Korea and Japan are actually enforcing the idea of homosexuality way too fast hence why people find it harder to accept it. I mean, how many decades did it take for USA and UK to fully understand and warm up to homosexuality? Even now, there are still plenty of homophobes in the supposedly gay-friendly countries. Asia is rushing with this, trying to force gay rights on people when they're obviously not prepared for them. They should do it slowly and lightly so more people will understand. It's not good just telling them "accept this because that's what right" but more like "this is why you should accept it, if you want to, of course" kind of way.

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  53. 4. [+673, -77] I know that the sexual minority deserve rights but... Can we take down that last picture... Naver also has users who are young kids, this is going to influence them..

    How horrific for children and young people to see it's okay to be who you are with who you love. Appalling.

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  54. i agree about the last picture... im not disgusted by it but rather i feel awkward looking at it
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    but other than the last picture, the netizens seem pretty respectful

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  55. Maybe someplace other than Korea it would be

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  56. this is making me laugh tbh. he definitely has guts i'll give him that.

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  57. There are parts of the world that are making massive leaps and strides in getting there though. Korea isn't even where everyone needs to be.

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  58. He was very bold for that last photo.

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  59. "against nature"


    cool story bro.

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  60. gotta love this comment lol

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  61. He's not being pushy. He's getting married and announcing it. Hong Seok Cheon (the man you wrote about) also speaks up about his relationship and feelings, the problems he encountered etc.

    I do agree easing people into something is the way to go, but we can't ask the man to contain himself and be oppressed or fake his natural character just to be accepted and liked. Different people, different styles. I guess we'll know if and how their society will change and how it will view them in the future.

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  62. You know what else is against nature, shaving off part of your jaw and injecting chemicals into your face

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  63. good god, why does this have so many down votes??

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  64. It's sad when women only defend gay men and men only gay women. As you say, hypocrisy. All gay people are people. If you really support their rights, you can't be "choosy".

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  65. Um, that's not truth. I'm a woman and I've never felt disgusted by lesbians. In fact, my best friend is a lesbian. Just like I know straight guys who have gay friends and don't feel uncomfortable or threatened in the least. Don't generalize.

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  66. Remember that homophobia is just a phobia - you can have a phobia of water or a phobia of heights. It just means that you don't feel COMFORTABLE with it - not that you discriminate against gays, torment them and tell them to die. Perfect example: my mum is technically homophobic since she doesn't approve of gays, however, she doesn't care whether someone wants to be gay either. She basically just ignores them and she would NEVER judge someone just because they're gay.


    However, the reason why many homophobes DO bully gay people is because of something called "humanism" or, in other words, humans are idiots and they judge, torment or even destroy things that they don't like. This is why people kill bugs who don't even do anything wrong to them over than crawl on their walls and this is also why people often pick fights with other people they don't like. Sometimes I think wonder whether humans are simply human-phobic.... *shrugs*

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  67. I find them cute! :) Good luck to them. It's gonna be a hard fight.

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  68. but some ignorant people like to generalize all of korea with just a few articles. you obviously dont seem like that kind of person but as you read the comments people have already formed judgements in their heads about the whole korean population, not realizing the netizens are probably the young adults with too much time on their hands

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  69. Not everyone feels the same way though. I agree a society does not change in a day and that slow and steady wins the race, but imagine being a gay person in such a country. Would you like being told you can't live your life until you're 60 because things can't change just yet? It's easier for us to suggest plans and a pace, we're not living there and we're not gay. Well, I assume. I'm personally not.

    I can't blame those who try and maybe these attempts are what we need. Yes, change will be slow, but change will never come about if people are also slow in getting their feelings out and speaking about unfairness.

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  70. "5. [+552, -90] Did you have to upload that picture when kids read these articles too????" because being gay is like a contagious cold that you can spontaneously catch all of a sudden...

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  71. idk most comments are just grossed out with the last photo, not with gay marriages

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  72. I think he's being sarcastic, but it's difficult to tell. Online conversations lack so many things necessary to tell such things. Plus, there are people who believe these things so how can one know. Meh.

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  73. lol i like how ur comment is related to ur profile pic

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  74. same... not as bad as i thought they would actually be

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  75. Same here. And I've never met any girl who was supportive of gay rights but disgusted by lesbians. Or any guy who was supportive of gay rights but disgusted by gay men. So personally, I have no idea where @takasar1 is getting his generalization from...

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  76. That's true and it's sad, yes. But also unavoidable. It's in our nature to generalize and create/adhere to stereotypes. This should not cause problems for the rest of us or get our spirits down. So many voices, so many opinions. Talking about things is good. It's an exchange of minds and can only enrich those whose mind is open and built to think about what they read, not just absorb it. :)

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  77. You make sense.

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  78. How is it against nature if part of nature does it? Many animal species have homosexual behavior, well more like bisexual...

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  79. there are people who find these kind of pictures disgusting:

    http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/524167_597255960287245_338115872_n.jpg

    http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f10/220988d1288467244-weekend-gore-special-child-caution-teeth.jpg

    I, however, don't have any problem with them.

    Does this mean that I have to force other people to like them?

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  80. No you misunderstood me here. It's absolutely fine that he's getting married and such - I'm happy for him - but he IS being pushy by kissing his husband in front of the camera, etc, when he knows that it doesn't make people feel any more of gays. You can tell from those comments alone that instead of making people warm up to the idea of gays, he's making them get turned off. It took countries like USA and UK decades to finally accept homosexuality. It would be selfish and ignorant to suddenly expect Asian countries who are so much more conservative to accept gay people in a span of a few years (because it hasn't been that long since the media started showing homosexuality in a good light). From my point of view, it's bad enforcing things even if you're trying to enforce something rightful and perfectly moral.


    For example, if you have a stubborn three year old child who doesn't like eating vegetables, you cannot just force him to eat veggies or he'll simply refuse to eat altogether or throw up - instead, you have to get him to warm up to the idea of vegetables first and show him that they're healthy and yummy. THEN you can try to make him eat vegetables again. The same principle goes with making people accept homosexuality - take things slowly and never do anything to put people off.

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  81. considering their other dumb comments further down, i doubt they're being sarcastic sadly

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  82. Couldn't he have made a speech with his lover by his side?

    I am just not cool with PDA. Boy/girl, girl/girl or guy/guy. It all make me awkward.

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  83. "It doesn't have ANY effect on your life. What do you care? People try to talk about it like it's a social issue. Like when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say 'How am I supposed to explain to my child that two men are getting married?' I dunno, it's your shitty kid, you fuckin' tell 'em. Why is that anyone else's problem? Two guys are in LOVE but they can't get married because YOU don't want to talk to your ugly child for five fuckin' minutes?" - louis ck.

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  84. soon im betting america will slowly accept polygamy
    about 100 years, trust me

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  85. LOL if they freak out from a kissing picture, I would love to se K-netizens reaction to the meatspin video. xD

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  86. The majority of the comments are reasonable. If the dude is happy, he should celebrate it privately, not public. He hold a press conference and sounded like a douche

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  87. Homophobia is just an excuse work for ignorance, and intolerance.

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  88. did you really just compare a picture of a horrific injury to a picture of two people kissing? what a dumb comment jfc

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  89. I suppose but then I rarely see couples kissing on a red carpet or wherever..I can only recall when John Travolta kissed his wife and no one said anything good about that..
    I think it's too much. I think it's great that he wants to do something but it's not very classy. They're representing a lot of people so they should try to come across well.

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  90. so when is this guy's next movie coming out?

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  91. JYPNATIONCITIZENMay 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    4. [+673, -77] I know that the sexual minority deserve rights but... Can we take down that last picture... Naver also has users who are young kids, this is going to influence them..



    influence?? this people kidding right?? feeling nevers just influence by someone or something..


    i am straight but i support him 100%...

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  92. i think Letsjijiparty's asking for the popcorn

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  93. I don't see why they have to marry in the first place.
    Marriage is soo overrated, someone will not love you more orlonger because they signe a piece of paper. People do cheat even if they are married, and many marriages end and then it's just a massive shitstorm where your ex-partner will try to screw you over by taking avay as much as possible.
    It's like gambling 50% or more of your belonings for a chance to stay together withe the same person.
    If they love each other they dont need a piece of paper stating it.

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  94. what I mean is homosexuality ---not homophobia

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  95. you are disgusting

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  96. If a straight couple hold a conference and then reporters take a picture of them kissing, would anyone complain? No the comments would be like aww~ they're a cute couple, wish them the best etc
    There's nothing wrong with the guy saying he want to fight to protect his right to be with the person he love

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  97. The man's face kind of has this idgaf expression/feeling hahaha.


    And cmon it's just a small peck, not like they're shoving their tongues into each others mouths there. Jeez what an overreaction.

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  98. no. it's the same mentality behind angelina jolie going public about her double mastectomy. they want to raise awareness and show others that people like them have nothing to be ashamed of.


    it's because gay couples have been forced to "celebrate privately" that they're seen as second-class citizens and abnormal. there is nothing weird about homosexuality and there's nothing wrong with wanting to celebrate it publicly JUST LIKE so many straight couples do every single day.

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  99. Yeah, but this isn't a red carpet. This is their wedding press con, on their wedding day. It's literally the most appropriate place to kiss. There is nothing distasteful about it and I'm betting the reporters even asked them for a kiss picture. I don't see the problem. I get your point, but If they didn't want to see men being affectionate, they shouldn't have gone into the news post in the first place.

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  100. Oh well, yes, I do agree, but as I also said, think about it from his point of view. Other couples can give a peck to each other or hold hands outside, can't they? Celebrity couples kiss on camera and even have reporters on their wedding ceremonies. He's also an older person. Imagine how long he has not been able to express himself and live in fear of that being seen. Maybe he needed this. Maybe they felt that kiss would symbolize and seal their decision to be free and happy. It could mean a lot to them.

    I agree that it will turn people off and that it might not have been the best move, but I also can't help but understand the reasons that might be behind it. Yes, he wants to help the issue and gay rights, but that does not mean he should choose that over the things that he feels comfortable doing and saying or that it should be his focus and only thought 24/7. So I agree, but I also understand and can't fault him for it.

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  101. All the gay stuff aside. I am super creeped out by the fact that they look more like father and son.

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  102. Why should he do things in the shadows when straight couples get to have their press conferences and red carpets and kiss pictures on their wedding day? Fuck you.

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  103. i respect gay love but the last picture made me uncomfortable to be honest. Maybe it's because i come from a culture where homosexuality is not accepted and even married couples don't kiss in public so i'm not used to it.

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  104. All the best for the two.. It will be a hard and - I suppose - long fight with the public. ♥♥♥

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  105. You should work on that

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  106. stereotypes, real-life experience, news stories, culture, society in general. plenty of places. look no further than the boy on boy and girl on girl pornos and who they cater towards respectively.

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  107. obviously not every man and/or woman but the majority

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  108. He is allowed to get married though. Gay communities have rights. It's just that the majority of citizens don't understand and are uncomfortable with it. You can't force people to change their opinions.

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  109. tbh, its a perfectly legit comparison, some people dont like public displays of intimacy, shouldnt people cater towards their preferences in the same way we would towards people who fear bloody pictures?

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  110. I don't understand why the need to celebrate it publicly with press conference and showcase. Normal couples celebrate it with their close family/friends instead.

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  111. man they freak out over everything lol God forbid a celeb does something for him/her self.

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  112. how are you expecting people to ~understand~ when you're asking gay people to hide in their houses and keep quiet about these issues? being more public about these things is a step forward toward acceptance and understanding from people.


    you're forcing peoples' opinions anyway by only teaching them one side of this 'argument'. by letting people be more public about being gay, it lets others make up their own mind on it

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  113. lmao. some people find it disgusting, what are you gonna do about it? Not everyone thinks the same as you do. you are no better than christians forcing their beliefs down everyone's throat.

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  114. Actually, ALL pornography is catered towards men if you really look at it. But if a straight women was given the option to view guy on guy or girl on girl porn, why wouldn't she choose the former? She is after all, a straight women, who is attracted to men. That doesn't mean she is disgusted by lesbians (I know of lesbians who prefer male gay porn - girl on girl porn is 99% of the time made by men, for men fyi).

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  115. lol at the 'massive leaps', you need to get out more. legalizing something is pointless when society despises it. gays are and have been (for better or worse) some of the most despised people on the face of the earth. they still are unfortunately.

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  116. They are not normal though. The "normal" I'm talking here is a regular citizen. I don't think normal citizen would hold a prescon because not many people know them. This man is a PD. Yes he is not an actor but it is not uncommon for a PD to get his marriage reported on news.

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  117. as is arachnophobia and vertigo.

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  118. it stopped being about love a long time ago. in a sense, its about security. essentially, outside of america, the majority of couples dont get divorced. they remain married.

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  119. Is this at their wedding press con? Sorry, I didn't realize, it didn't say anywhere but then I should have guessed by the way they were dressed...I can't think of any other wedding press con to compare them with right now but kissing should be ok there..
    I still think that because they do want to represent gays and improve their rights they have to think about their actions and sadly, because this isn't a common occurrence in Korea, there would be many people judging them and gays based on the last picture..

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  120. famous people always do press conference, why he can't?

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  121. With my basic english comprehension I don't think @Mochi 's post sound like she's forcing people to accept gay. They feel uncomfortable because they are foreign with the concept of same sex love. You can't force close minded people to change their view in a day. However you can always explain to them that it is okay to love same gender people and they are no different with straight people. Your post doesn't sound like you are agreeing on neither side. What is your opinion on gay marriage? I would like to know that.

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  122. i dont think you understand my point. firstly, how can you say ALL porn is catered towards men? to think i was being accused of making generalizations. of course she would choose the former. my generalization was referring to the hypocritical nature of society. an easy example is to get a room full of diverse guys, pick how many like girl-on-girl porn and then from those pick how many are homophobic. answer should be quite obvious. anyhow, lets end this, i have an exam tomorrow.

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  123. It is ironic. They write fanfics of malexmale couple idol. From G to Rated to Hardcore R. Yet they would cut a bunny if their idol turns out to be gay and married a man for real.

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  124. My opinion doesn't matter, really. They can do what they want. I just want people to have basic human rights.

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  125. How is it better if they hide their relationship and act like it's something to be shameful tho? He can't change their opinions but he can raise awareness about it. If all LGBT just decide to hide and never speak out then nothing would change either.

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  126. Um yes? That too...

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  127. Nah, I think it's really people just being uncomfortable looking at same-sex PDA (I for example get uncomfortable with ANY type of PDA, gay or not)

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  128. I'm pretty sure the commenters in the article seem a lot more than just 'uncomfortable'.

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  129. True. However, in South Korea, even PDA between straight couples is frown upon and actors in dramas have to kiss the same way I kiss my parents (I don't get how those kisses can even be called that... they're like... family pecks) so it's not like he's actually missing out on public affection. But yeah, I also get your point :)

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  130. I sincerely don't understand when people say they're not prejudiced against the homosexual community but that the latter should hide and not be able to do what many heterosexuals do, such as hold hands and give each other pecks in public... Specially when they use the 'think of the children' argument. Children are so innocent and accepting, I'd think they would see a gay couple the same way as a straight one, unless the parents have influenced them in some way. Children can teach many out there a lesson or two.

    Homophobic people marginalize a minority by making them feel ashamed of who they are; it's pathetic and disgusting, and makes me physically ill. However, who am I to tell them that their personal and/or religious beliefs are wrong? I highly disagree with them, but if they live in a democratic country, they have the right to oppose to any laws they wish to, as long as they don't harm anyone, physically or emotionally. And this is where the problem lies. There might not be an absolute truth, but there's treating every single human being with respect and dignity; which are exceptions to no one.

    Maybe what is causing this uproar is that we're not yet ready, as a
    society, for this. Perhaps people are just not ready to accept the
    existing diversity in sexuality and gender roles. And those who aren't
    ready feel they're being imposed acceptance towards something they
    simply aren't capable of understanding. I guess I should consider myself
    privileged and enlightened enough not to be one of them.

    What we as people who support marriage equality have to do is outnumber those who don't and let history take its course as it always has. We have always evolved as a society, for better or for worse, and that's what will happen. In Ancient Greece relationships weren't distinguished by gender, but by the roles of dominance and passivity played by each person - usually derived from their status in society - and therefore thought as normal and were accepted. Then it changed; in the Middle Ages, for the most part, homosexuality was considered illegal and a sin, and remained as such until not so long ago. Nowadays the situation is certainly not as worrisome, and with the way things are going it seems as though we are getting closer to a more open-minded civilisation.

    Personally, I believe that if one group of people is allowed its civil rights in entirety (i.e., heterosexuals), then all others should be as well (i.e., homosexuals, transexuals), with none being discriminated. It's simple. If it's valid for one, it's valid for everyone.

    And here's a bit of good news for those who may be pessimistic about marriage equality, even though we still have a long, long way to go: Brazil has legalized same-sex marriage! I'm hopeful that in the future the majority of countries will have the same, similar to women's rights. In less than a month, both French and Brazilian governments have passed bills approving gay marriage, and this is progress.

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  131. Some people don't like looking at black people, should we cater towards their preferences too? Heck, whilst we're at it, we should all stay in our homes so all the people that don't like us, don't have to look at us.

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  132. No I like your comment I even gave you an upvote :/

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  133. Yes, 19+ films. They won't allow kids to watch those kind of films - of course, Korea even have porn. I know that. But it's not PUBLIC.

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  134. Some people like to show PDA, deal with it. Or, you could just hide in the comfort of your own home since it is pretty much EVERYWHERE.

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  135. Have you ever seen a Korean netizen reply to a controversial article in a nice way before? Also, I just explained that a lot of humans hate things they don't like or understand. I don't like it either but what can I do? Humans still need a bit of evolution going on.

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  136. Ah OK ^-^ thansk

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  137. If they were to attend a gay wedding, they'd have to see 2 dudes kissing so honestly they just seem to hate the concept of being gay.

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  138. You can't be older that 15 based on your stupid answer. LOL

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  139. oh no what if kids see this, they might think this stuff is okay and acceptable and not disgusting oh the horror

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  140. WonderfulZingMinMay 15, 2013 at 4:26 PM

    SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN! XD

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  141. I think hong suk cheon is doing a better job at raising awareness for gay people in a good way

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  142. if you can read korean, you can see that people are cheering and blessing them and it is just mere part of it. im posting this to show you guys that there are a lot of koreans who embrace them fully and i just wanted to warn that it is very dangerous to judge the entire country by one news site article.
    one more thing.. if you dont know this, nate is getting occupied by ilbe users because of that the comments there are getting worse.

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  143. why do comments liek this one get so many up votes here? ...no really, why?

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  144. next time a man Will marry his dog and we must accept it or will be called homodogoPhobia loooool

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  145. human rights?
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
    why ppl nowadays talking and fighting about human rights for issue like this but no for a war, sexual abuse, rape, violence? tsk.

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  146. here,we have a lot of freaking trolls as you can see, any positive comment is getting votes down ...-_-

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  147. I think they would call it cynogamophobia, or something to that effect. You just sound like an idiot. Nice try though.

    http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.13425744.6979/sticker,375x360.u2.png

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  148. No because that's animal molestation and animal rape, you brainless shit. Gay love is between two people who are both willing, they don't break the law or animal/human rights and they're both the same species!!! Fucking idiot.

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  149. Hold up..wait a minute....Children might see this.... what about the male kpop idols that display kissing, touching each other etc. at concerts and on TV shows. And some are enjoying it a little too much, and we know who they are. It is so hard to find Love in this world, gay or straight, if u find that one true love... RUN with it, fuck everybody else, You only have one life, enjoy it! Children might see this, Yeah right.....

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  150. OMG WHAT ABOUT MY DOG!!! WHAT IF MY DOG BECOMES GAY AFTER WATCHING THOSE STUFF ON TV?!! Oh wait... he's already gay... never mind then XD

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  151. Fangirls ship members of the same group especially males, write erotic fanfic about members of the same sex having sex with each other, photoshop pics of male idols with other male idols, but the last pic turns your stomach.........

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  152. I still cant accept that last photo.......

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  153. the irony of this, my God


    u're ok with them fuqing each other in fics and manips but not irl?

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  154. we have some trolls here...that's why..smh

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  155. U GOTTA FIGHT!
    FOR UR RIGHT!

    ...to buttsecks

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  156. well i'm 15 and i think even younger people can see the stupidity in her comment,if not..then now you should see it.

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  157. it's also called hypocrisy

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  158. Yeah, I thought that at first too, but if you really consider the comments, they are expressing disgust specifically for homosexual love, rather than just public displays of affection in general. :/

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  159. I don't think there's a "right" way to do it. Maybe that's not his personality. Maybe this is the only way he is able to express his belief in his rights....

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  160. being the female idol with most fans from the Korea's LGBT community, Jessica is not amused with this article

    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7dqjp6qht1qdqhwr.gif

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  161. so it's not okay? okay lol you should move to Korea then

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  162. Funny how you don't see this sort of comment when it's a straight marriage...

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  163. Err, want me to show you public Kdramas that shows worse things than a gay couple giving a small peck?

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  164. its a lose-lose situation for them. They do this privately, then it kinda defeats the purpose of standing up for their right to get married. They do this publicly and they get condemned. Then again, they can still see it as a win situation since they're able to do what majority of homosexuals in Korea aren't able to do publicly; plus they get to be together with the one they love.

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  165. Not okay about ..? Your question isn't clear enough.

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  166. HIDE YO WIFE! HIDE YO KIDS! GAY MONSTAR IS COMING TO EAT THEM. SCARY~

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  167. it's admirabil that he wants to make a difference in making the public warm up to gays and gay marriage but his behavior kinda rubbed me the wrong way. As someone who does not support or go against homosexuality(i'm indifferent) i don't think the way he proceeded will help with the progress..
    right now i have much more respect for Hong Suk-chun than for him. I think he represents the homosexual community better

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  168. Okay, why would the last photo be necessary?!

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  169. Eh, I don't feel I need to because it is common for people not to like PDA. Some of the comments here show it as a common thing to me.

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  170. You mean like blackmail, corruption, domestic abuse, backstabbing, violence, cheating, incest, fake incest, parents destroying their kids, kids destroying their parents, betrayal, manipulation, mistaking violence for passion, sacrificing one's self for a man/woman who does not deserve it, two-timing etc? Yep, I think kdramas have worse things to show than two consenting non-related adults kissing like they're over the 3rd grade...

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  171. whats wrong with a kiss? not like its a pic of a guy sucking a dick or anything

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  172. LOL all these comments trying to say
    "You wouldn't see this much hate if it was a straight couple."
    ....uh, DUH.
    You people are idiots. Straight up.

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  173. That is just fuckin disgusting!!!

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  174. Ok i don't get soooo idols can practically makeout with other on stage and tv and fans read fanfics and look at photoshoped pictures of two male/female idols but its NOT ok for these two to have a pic of them kissing. Hypocrites

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  175. NO idiot, that's YOUR definition.

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  176. Difference is, when a person is black. Its obvious, sweetheart.
    When a person is gay, you probably won't know until they start to wave it around and shove it in your face. Kinda like this guy.
    No comparison there.

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  177. A person who does not agree with you call him stupid good attempt, stupid I will say what I want if you do not like this your problem

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  178. Hide yo dawgz! Hide yo cats! Hide yo hamstas, birds n' rats!

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  179. Too soon man, too soon...

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  180. sp who is the same and who is the uke ?
    sorry yaoi fans here, but i quess this director is the uke one...?

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  181. But Asian countries aren't actually "enforcing" it upon their pulic like you make it sound, if anything many of these cases being brought up are individuals from the public (not the government) from within crying out for a change. Look at the huge surge in homosexual-related media in South Korea in the past 5 years alone, it's mind boggling.

    One of the big problems is that you're assuming Asia is always following in Europe/The West's footsteps in terms of social progress. If you look at Thailand, although their country is much poorer than Korea, their society is actually much more friendly and open to gays than even America (actually, we all know America isn't even a leader in terms of gay rights, although recent polls show that now a majority of Americans support it).

    The other problem is that you actually seem unaware of the history of homosexuality in Asian countries, as if tolerance of homosexuality is a western concept. In actuality much of the homophobia that exists in modern Asia was a result of European and Christian values permeating the native cultures of the world, even in countries where most aren't strictly religious.

    A lot of your comments on this thread talk about people's natural gut instincts/reactions to seeing something they're not used to, and how this is something they can't control. On the contrary, further exposure is the only thing that turn the tide. Much of the so-called disgust is just a product of societal conditioning. If you're raised to find something normal, you'll find it normal, if you're raised to find it abhorrent, you'll find it abhorrent. Korea may be a bad example since PDA in general is frowned upon there, but look at the US and the double standard there: many in the US will still freak out at the image of 2 males kissing, yet even girls have been conditioned into not feeling any offense when they're confronted with the image of 2 girls kissing, simply because the "sexualized lesbian" serves a purpose for the heterosexual male in the patriarchal society.

    What's even more pathetic is the context in which these netizens are expressing their disgust. If we look at the basic act of PDA Itself, the two grooms are innocently kissing each other on the lips. They're not having anal sex. Korean musicians do WORSE almost every other day. I'm well aware that fanservice is a world away in terms of the intent and it's deemed as fantasy which makes it acceptable to these people, but my point is that the act itself of two males lightly kissing doesn't seem to be offensive in Korea - it's only in the context of two actual homosexual males that it suddenly becomes offensive. This is why I think it's completely unfair to try and justify the netizens' outrage over this simple kiss.

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  182. This is unnatural. Like...point blank period. And...I couldn't care less who disagrees.

    Its sad how when a person decides to disagree with homosexuality they're called disgusting and stupid and intolerable. When honestly, gay rights supporters are the only ones being intolerable and ignorant and disgusting. Any mention of how disturbing it is and they go up in arms and call you all kinds of made up names and then compare gay people to animals....which is degrading in itself. You're doing them more harm than anyone else is with that bull shit.
    Including calling people 'homophobes' (although disagreeing with something doesn't mean you all of a sudden have a phobia of it...sooo?)

    Yet if all the gay people in the world were rounded up and taken to concentration camps or doused in tear gas (like many minority groups who had to fight for ACTUAL rights) how many of you would still stand up and join them? You all are full of shit. Seriously.

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  183. .....um do you not realize that people get killed over being gay....seriously pick up a book and pay attention to the new.....sexual abuse,rape,violence are all involved...

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  184. But Asian countries aren't actually "enforcing" it upon their public like you make it sound. Many of these cases garnering attention involve individuals from the general public (not the government) within Korea crying out for a change. Korea in general regards homosexuality as a buzz topic just like in many countries nowadays. Just look at the huge surge in homosexual-related media in South Korea in the past 5 years alone, it's mind boggling.

    One of the big problems is that you're assuming Asia is always following in Europe/The West's footsteps in terms of social progress. If you look at Thailand, although their country is much poorer than Korea, their society is actually much more friendly and open to gays than even America (actually, we all know America isn't even a leader in terms of gay rights, although recent polls show that now a majority of Americans support it).

    The other problem is that you actually seem unaware of the history of homosexuality in Asian countries, and act as if tolerance of homosexuality is a western concept. In actuality much of the homophobia that exists in modern Asia was a result of European and Christian values permeating the native cultures of the world, even in countries where most aren't strictly religious.

    A lot of your comments on this thread talk about people's natural gut instincts/reactions to seeing something they're not used to, and how this disgust and fear is something they can't control. On the contrary, further exposure is the only thing that turn the tide. Much of the so-called disgust is just a product of societal conditioning. If you're raised to find something normal, you'll find it normal, if you're raised to find it abhorrent, you'll find it abhorrent. Korea may be a bad example since PDA in general is frowned upon there, but look at the US and the double standard there: many in the US will still freak out at the image of 2 males kissing, yet most American girls have been conditioned into not feeling any offense when they're confronted with the image of 2 girls kissing, simply because the "sexualized lesbian" serves a purpose for the heterosexual male in the patriarchal society (while the opposite image of 2 males kissing, doesn't).

    What's even more pathetic is the context in which these netizens are expressing their disgust. If we look at the basic act of PDA Itself, the two grooms are innocently kissing each other on the lips. They're not having anal sex. Korean musicians do WORSE almost every other day. I'm well aware that fanservice is a world away in terms of the intent and it's deemed as fantasy which makes it acceptable to these people, but my point is that the act itself of two males lightly kissing doesn't seem to be offensive in Korea - it's only in the context of two actual homosexual males that it suddenly becomes offensive. This is why I think it's completely unfair to try and justify the netizens' outrage over this simple kiss.



    Lastly, I think your whole approach of "gently encouraging change" is incredibly naive. If you actually follow history, people who are always quiet and submissive rarely initiate actual change. Suffragettes were considered EXTREME feminists in their time (even though they only wanted women to get the vote!). It's also funny that you're implying that Korea is being forced to change too fast. If anything, the common criticism of Korea is that their social progress has been too slow despite such rapid economic development. And Japan is far from perfect in terms of lgbt rights but I'd still put them significantly ahead of Korea...

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  185. disqus_XNz92MipJXMay 15, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    No. It isn't. Breast cancer is a life threatening illness. That's what being gay is like?
    Okay...
    And the fact of the matter is no one is repulsed by straight couples just being couples. Its usual to see a man kiss a woman. Its not weird or out of place. However people are repulsed by gay couples. A girl kissing a girl or a man kissing a man is not a normal happenstance and whether you like it or not, its not going to be. And there's really nothing anyone can do about that. Reality is reality and its really not that complicated. But apparently that's too tough for some people to swallow. So they want to force everyone to view it the same way. But oh well.

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  186. I called you an idiot because "homodogophobia" would never be a real word. I even gave you a suggestion. Idiot.

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  187. This is an incredibly flimsy and cliched argument.

    Everyone knows that it's important to respect different cultures, and that every culture has its positives and negatives. No one is perfect. Still, there are certain rights that every human being deserves no matter what country or culture they come from. Can you honestly use culture to justify the Holocaust? How about female genital mutilation? How about stoning a 15 year old to death because she was raped? Honor killings?

    You talk about respecting culture without actually understanding how culture is formed and changed over time. You act as if Korean "Culture" has been this static entity since the beginning of time.

    Korea is not the only country with problems. Far from it. But this site is Korean-entertainment-centric, hence the users will be discussing Korea, and not Uganda or the US or Bolivia.

    Korea is not some isolationist country, shutting itself off from the world, from "evil" foreign influences and trying to protect its pure heritage. On the contrary, Koreans are hugely influenced by foreign cultures, to this day, and they (alongside their government) have made an active effort to spread Korean culture all over the world (Hallyu). If you want to spread your culture to other countries, you better be able to accept criticisms. What's more, Koreans are heavily invested in how other countries view them, and have made it clear they want to be viewed as a modern and developed country to be envied. How many articles have come out about how distressed Koreans were at being ranked so low on this and that list (regarding topics as varied as gender equality and tourism)

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  188. Are you serious? Do you know how many gay couples are refused visitation rights when their loved ones are dying in the hospital? Or refused property rights? Some gay couples were cut off by their families, but when one of them died, the family of the dead partner would take the body away, refusing to even let the surviving partner come to the funeral (upon threat of violence!). They then proceed to "erase" them in the eulogy, as if they never existed.

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  189. Why is not be in real world idiot Ask your grandfather or a grandmother Are there gay marriage in their days loool

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  190. Stop acting as if he's having anal sex in public. He gave his partner an innocent peck, as a public figure during a wedding conference. And actually, you're wrong, thousands if not millions of gay kids and teens are bullied every day simply for acting "effeminate" (regardless of whether they're actually gay), despite endless attempts to change the way they act or talk. They can't help it.

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  191. Stop acting as if he's having anal sex in public. He gave his partner an innocent peck as a public figure during a wedding conference. And actually, you're wrong, thousands if not millions of kids and teens are bullied every day simply for acting "effeminate" (regardless of whether they're actually gay), despite endless attempts on their part to change the way they act or talk. They can't help it. I have seen teenage boys getting harassed for wearing pink shirts.

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