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Thursday, May 30, 2013

JYP, SM, and YG's first quarter results


Article: Top 3 Gayo companies, first quarter reuslts SM 'hesitant' YG 'on the rise' JYP 'improvement'

Source:
Star News via Nate + Naver

1. [+233, -43] JYP is not at the level to be playing with them anymore...

2. [+198, -31] JYP needs to change their company name to SZ

3. [+224, -63] JYP's being pushed back by Cube these days...

4. [+219, -13] YG's not just on the rise, they made a huge jump

5. [+208, -17] People can say that SM is failing all they want, but they have to admit that out of the three companies, they're almost unrivaled in the amount of otaku fans they have in Korea and Japan. They're going to survive no matter what situation they're put in. The other companies have to focus on other areas because they don't have the same otaku fanbase.

6. [+173, -19] Imagine if JYP never bumped into Suzy in front of that bathroom..........

7. [+188, -37] Change JYP's name to BSZ

8. [+153, -22] I seriously thought JYP would've closed their doors by now but it seems they haven't gone bankrupt yet

9. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy

10. [+118, -11] 'Top 3' is just a thing of the past now

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721 comments:

  1. lol "YG is talent". ok.

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  2. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy
    agree.

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  3. SM hesitant? Well, yes because all the release is awwwooooooo!!

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  4. "9. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy"

    Yeah, no, talent isn't worth anything if the full package is disappointing and lacking.

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  5. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy



    NO~

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  6. [+233, -43] JYP is not at the level to be playing with them anymore...
    it might be true, but i think there's no agency which can replace JYP's place right now.

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  7. As a YG Stan.. I like to say 'YG is freedom' and not talent since I think loen has some great people there too

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  8. YG is talent + 2NE1

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  9. Its no surprise that YG is on the above esp since psy's gangnam and 2ne1 and bigbang had their world tours last yr

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  10. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy

    This netizen seems to not know Dara...

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  11. Dont care they all suck

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  12. compared to the other 2 it kinda. is and I'm not talking about 2NE1 and BB...

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  13. If JYP cuts down on his whole JYP whispers, the idols under jype may rise again.

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  14. My heart goes to JYP. May you prosper.

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  15. Starship is not bad either, they do have K.Will and Sistar

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  16. 9. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy

    Are they sure they mean talent, not tryhard?

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  17. can we get the numbers NB?

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  18. hahaha blame the composer

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  19. TOP 3.
    YG ent, SM ent, SZ ent.

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  20. Yeah..... YG just seems to have a couple of the most popular figures(?) of kpop(not general music) right now, however this is not about having "the talent" It's about being the most successful label, currently.


    And I agree SM has the most otaku-like fans. Just look at most exo fans and you get the idea... That has always been SM's goal.

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  21. 'YG is talent'
    I think the word they are looking for is try-hard and trying-to-act-cool-but-ending-up-looking-stupid

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  22. Oh my god xD SZ company? K-netizens... 2PM is the cashcow. Not Suzy xD She gets $10million while 2PM members get $53million just for their Hands Up Asia Tour and have more than 20 cfs and 50 concerts :p

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  23. 9. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy


    YG and SM has SELECTED TALENTED IDOLS.

    JYP, IDK.

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  24. YG has Taeyang, Daesung, Minzy, GD, Gummy, Se7en.
    SM has KRY, TTS, Onew, Jonghyun, Luna, Chen, Baekhyun, etc.

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  25. SM = Yoona, YG = GDragon, JYP = Suzy

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  26. whats all this bs yg my ass talent onlY TALENT they have lee hi , tablo, daesung,and top as an actor thats it

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  27. lets not forget about AKDONG this time. haha :) they'll rock the charts. i just hope YG leaves them alone and maintain their flavor.

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  28. Ikr: Park Hyo Shin, Sung Si Kyung, Seo In Guk, Lee Seok Hun.

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  29. I'm really curious to know what % of JYP's income is generated by Suzy.

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  30. SM is SNSD . YG is Gdragon , jyp is suzy . LOL ~^^ . Company's bias . . isk . isk . .

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  31. As a SM stan I do agree that SM is all about visuals, but they do come w talent as well. The groups all do well as a team.

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  32. omo, I forgot about Akdong Musician. I can't wait for their debut <3

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  33. I think it's unfair that SM gets the "plastic beauties with no talent" label so easily, because the amount of talented people they have is at least equal to YG imo.


    And yeah, JYP not so much...

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  34. Oh yes! Seo in guk. How can I forget

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  35. Sorry 2pm, your money making efforts continue to go unnoticed...lol. I really hope JYP gets it together because they are wasting the good they have.

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  36. but the precentation is quite high..

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  37. IKR but in Korea 2PM aren't relevant anymore.

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  38. you definitely cannot deny that SM have talented idols.
    to name a few: BoA, Jonghyun, Taeyeon, Kyuhyun

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  39. funny how people say that SM artists have no talent. and YG is the company with all the talent. i'm sorry but you don't know wtf your talking about. it's seriously pisses me off.

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  40. SM is all about Perf.
    YG is mostly talent
    JYP is ****

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  41. tbh, in terms of IDOLS who SINGS good, SM has a lot than YG. well that's because they got more artists.

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  42. I don't understand this word "precantation", please write correctly since English isn't my first language.

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  43. The Best Thing JYP has created is Monsters Diamond tears.

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  44. CAN NEVER GET OVER THE FACT THAT KRY HAS NO OFFICIAL KOREAN ALBUM OR WHATSOEVER PROMOTIONS.
    Damn.

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  45. i think we would want to know the result for the next quarter ... YG has 2ne1 debuting ... SM has EXO and Henry debuting .... its serious competition

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  46. You asked which one so I just answered your question :/
    what of it.

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  47. Isn't it funny...I mean even entertainment company has their own stereotype from the public

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  48. 5. [+208, -17] People can say that SM is failing all they want, but they have to admit that out of the three companies, they're almost unrivaled in the amount of otaku fans they have in Korea and Japan. They're going to survive no matter what situation they're put in. The other companies have to focus on other areas because they don't have the same otaku fanbase. 
    I agree, no matter what they release i'm never worried for SM's artists. They have the most dedicated fans. They are well protected, by both the agency's marketing skills and fans's love.
    SM is the most well-balanced in term of advancement.
    They don't put their eggs in the same basket which is reassuring.

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  49. SM wastes all its talent. They have fantastic vocalists and dancers in their groups but never showcases them properly save for Taeyeon. And she's the only one from their groups that seems to be able to make bank solo.

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  50. Hyacinth LabrunumMay 30, 2013 at 10:43 AM

    If JYP just don't have controversies they could have been really popular now

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  51. whenever there's an article talking about SUZY being the breadwinner, this comment will always be up. Lets not forget, knets (some) DOESNT CARE ABOUT 2PM. which sucks.

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  52. lol, what's up with the hate for? they're obviously still bringing in the $$$ even with the lesser amount of comebacks they have. you're in no place to be placing judgement on their 'talent' when it gets the most recognition from critics around the world out of the top 3. i'd say they're doing a pretty damn good job of looking 'stupid'.

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  53. if yall haven't notice jyp has his hand dip every where movies,drama,sitcom,music ,musicals, music wise jyp is better he doesn't stick to one genre gain love like sm , yg
    if take sm , yg visuals away they ain't shit

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  54. They still relevant :) If they aren't relevant then they won't get that 20++ cfs. But naah... most intl hottest and k-hottest didn't like to chat with fans from another fandom

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  55. Percentage you mean? As in high percentage of visuals and talent in SM and YG respectively?

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  56. ugly ceos hong seung sung rocks

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  57. Dara is the most talented in YGE!!! Love herrr

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  58. [+208, -17] People can say that SM is failing all they want, but they
    have to admit that out of the three companies, they're almost unrivaled
    in the amount of otaku fans they have in Korea and Japan. They're going
    to survive no matter what situation they're put in. The other companies
    have to focus on other areas because they don't have the same otaku
    fanbase.

    100% AGREE

    [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy

    ehmm NO, SM artist also talented!!

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  59. Really? Those are actually good?

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  60. all the yg sm and jyp stan argue over their biased company, meanwhile actually in each companies have their great artists. i think its clear enough.

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  61. He promotes them more than his artists LOL

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  62. POPCORN TIME. Carry on people. I'm bored.

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  63. Well I guess their contracts won't be renewed since they flopped hard with their last release.

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  64. Some of them yes. But most K-netizens think Vocal=talent. they should know that dance skills are also talent *sorry. english is not my first language.*

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  65. At first I wanted to say Idols too, but then I remembered that SM has TRAX & J-Min as well.

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  66. It's pretty obvious that what they consider as 'talent' is different from yours, so why bother wasting time trying to dispute it?

    K-Netizens view YGE as a company that is filled with artists who produce their own music. To them, that is where most of the 'talent' lies. You can dislike their music all you want, since it is all subjective, and you can argue that other companies also have artist-turned-producers, but at the end of the day, they still pale in comparison to YGE.

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  67. What even. I don't even like JYP but they have Park Ji Min, Baek Ye Rin, Joo, 2AM, Lim Jeong Hee...all very talented people.

    There's bad in every agency.

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  68. I can never stan YG singers. I really tried, but I just couldn't. Many times their MVs are played on TV and I will be like O.O O.O O.O

    Seriously they are trying way too hard to be "unique", or "seemingly talented" or whatever.

    Especially GD. He turns me off, like seriously. All those stupid and ridiculous fashion items and acting as if he's some big shot(though he may very well be, but his actions are so off-putting)

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  69. SM isn't all about visuals though. Personally, I prefer YG over SM and yet my bias group comes from SM. TVXQ and SHINee are SM's hidden gems imo but SNSD, SuJu and f(x) have also got some extremely talented members like Taeyeon, Luna, Kyuhyun, etc.


    Then again, 2NE1 isn't that talented... they're better than most girl groups but CL slurs when she raps apparently (even though I absolutely love CL and I can't tell anyway because I don't understand Korean), Dara isn't a very strong singer and not everybody thinks Bom is that good either so idk how to judge companies based on talent. All of them have some talented and useless members. SM does have a lot of visuals though.


    That said, all three companies suck at managing their artists - SM with their crappy comeback songs and the tendency to disappoint, YG and their media play and favouritism, and JYP - well, JYP is kind of self-explanatory really.


    I don't get how can people stan companies tbh.

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  70. Now JYPE is more Focus to debut actor/ess too?

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  71. when it comes to talent, I think it's none of 'the big 3' anymore. Loen has lots of it, also cube. Some of btob boys have composed some songs and they sound very good.

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  72. Every artist is talented, The artists isn't the problem here. It's the way the company promotes.

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  73. actually, YG has a lot of good artist on their label, they're very talented, a lot aren't mainstream. But these artists didn't trained(???) in this label... Not saying that you're implying it, but I'm just taking the chance to say most people should know that YG is not the fountain of talent lol, nor sm or jyp in fact, the "style" yg tries to imprint on their trained artist is as plastic and forced as jyp and sm styles

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  74. lol yes! but yknow what all the i-netizens here are going to downvote all comments related to cube tsk tsk.
    of course cube also have a great artists. i dont think i should name it rite? \o/

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  75. Maybe you're mixing a style with a talent? You can put Daesung into a ballad style group like 2AM and he will still sound great.

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  76. This is going to be good.



    *settles into the bean-bag with popcorn and soda and the lappy*

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  77. top is no good at acting tho

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  78. Junho's going to make a tour in JP. (if not mistaken he's going to make the concert in 6 zepp) 8000 fans signed up for the concert but only 2000 can go to the concert. Their album/songs are bad digitally but their new songs ranked #1 on iTunes in 6 countries and Give Me Love has sold more than 100k.

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  79. Is it me or Lee Soo Man really looks like Hamtaro ? ^o^

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  80. Blame the company for even thinking that was fit to be a title track.

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  81. only talent jyp has is suzy i think not lee jungjin , 2am,miss a(others), 2pm ,8ight,bangtan,glam, 15&, j lim ,Park Joohyung,Baek Ayeon,Wonder Girls,Choi Wooshik,Kim Soyoung,Lee Eunjung

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  82. Pass the beer. I might even enjoy this. LOL.

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  83. MTE. Don't get what's the hype about YG idols. Probably bcos kpop fans have seen too many of those dancing routines in a box that they are intrigued by this seemingly different feeling YG idols are trained to exude. That odd charisma, I can never understand.
    Anw, I think people will soon get tired of all their try-hard actions, and realise how much more difficult it is to practice a DECENT choreography than just filming MVs with members looking at each other, and then run/jog/walk/chase after some girl.

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  84. *passes beer*
    Oi, fancy a hot dog? LOL

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  85. Why is SM always named as "visual", they have really talented singers and dancers especially -.-

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  86. 9. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent,

    SM vocalists > YG vocalists. and SM has he upper hand in dancing, obviously. so how anyone would think SM falls in comparison to YG when it comes to talent is mind-boggling, to say the least.

    YG are better in terms of giving their artists freedom and their groups do a great job of hyping up the crowd. and they seem to do better than SM when it come to catering to the general public.

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  87. im a fan of YG artists myself but they sure do tryhard sometimes. hehe they try to have that American style feel. yenno~ but im too stupid to be fooled.

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  88. That's why I said IN KOREA. :)

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  89. kinda like it tho, it's funny LMAO

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  90. [+159, -43] SM is visuals, YG is talent, JYP is Suzy

    I think this is just in Korea, since Suzy is not a big hit all over Asia than what 2PM does. I think 2PM generates for JYP not really Suzy based on their album sales nowadays and japan-hits but Koreans perceive it was her coz all of her activities were in their country. Nevertheless with their artist, JYP wont fall bankrupt only that JYP himself commit mistakes affecting all artists.

    As for SM---- so true many are on the visuals but some has talent though just add all the added animals like their newly released pack of wolves.



    YG---- for so, they have many talents little visual added to the team were the newly signed Akdong Musician. What I wonder is that they think that their artist are class A++ in the industries that don't do or guest on varieties.

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  91. K-netizens: Vocals=talent// Dancing skills=not a talent

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  92. i don't think international fans will ever come to terms of what the korean public think. I remember so many fans of superjunior back in the day told me I was delusional cause I said BIGBANG was more popular in korea. If their group isn't seen as positive as they see them then its obviously false. Wish people didn't take these things so seriously just enjoy your groups

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  93. ...everyone who says SM is just about visuals seriously don't know anything about SM. Yes SM have made tons of mistakes and they chose often the wrong song as the title track but they have very talented idols (and artists). Everyone who deny this fact is just delusional.

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  94. Hey sup guys~ I thought i join the fun~ So K-netizens think YGE has the talents because they make their own music and they make everything from scratch
    SM is visual because almost every member of SM is pretty/handsome not saying that they have no talent *NOTE THAT SM STANS*
    JYP ...... I don't know what to say about them~ I don't do my research on JYP
    I am a YG stan BTW

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  95. Lets see SNSD has Jessica, Taeyeon, Tiffany, Sunny and Seohyun. Super Junior has KRY and a few above average singers. SHINee have Taemin, Jonghyun and Onew (Key isn't bad either). EXO have DO, Baekhyun, Chen and Luhan. F(x) have Krystal and Luna. Then we have CJSH and TVXQ, Kangta, BoA, Jang Ri In, J-MIN, TRAX. Do I have to start on the dancers too? Or is this 'a few' too?

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  96. Yeah.. I got one for the gift.. cost my sis AUD $379. I didn't know it was created by him. The Sound is so Crisp.. design is just perfect. It's just look luxury in real.

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  97. Sure, why not. Junk food is good at this point. Is Jerry Springer coming out anytime soon? Oh, turn on the fan. This is going to be hot. :))

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  98. Well, JYPE's controversies aren't that big compared to YGE's

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  99. So what you are saying is all SM members faces are like shit? They say visual cause SM member are really pretty and handsome they never said they were talentless

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  100. "Jerry Springer" LMFAOOOOOOOOO!

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  101. SM is only visual?? The hell??? They have some of the best singers and dancers in Kpop, male AND female. And I'd say YG is getting obsessed with visuals with the way that they're using gimmicks in costuming and mv's to gain attention. Just saying.

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  102. jewel in my heartMay 30, 2013 at 10:54 AM

    bigest money come from tour]concert] & CF so in 2nd half i think SM will rise more since SJ, SNSD & TVXQ having world tour now

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  103. the didn't say ONLY~

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  104. among other amazeballs songs in the album. ugh.

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  105. Big 3 now: SM, Cube, YG

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  106. It's the way the company promotes that makes them look bad to the public.

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  107. Don't forget SHINee's Japan Arena Tour that they're about to start.

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  108. oh god, all this shit talk about talent again. lol can people not comprehend that there are a variety of talents that can be expressed and delivered in many ways? obviously if they're the 'Top 3' then I'd expect they would have the full package, that's why they're there with the company's help. Stop shitting on other companies because they don't share your idea on what being talented is.

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  109. Let's not forget BoA, Kangta, Changmin, Dana (actually all of The Grace), Zhang Liyin, Henry, Taemin, TRAX and J-min (not really sure if she is an idol but she is very talented).

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  110. " SM is visuals, YG is talent -"
    blah blah blah the same old untrue shit

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  111. I just saw someone throw the kitchen sink at someone else down there. Hang on to your seat. This is riveting.

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  112. i really hope Taeng has her solo album...Look at how passion she sings, how strong her fanbase is...SM should give Taeyeon what she deserves to have ...It's almost 6yrs now, why it takes too long for a solo album...I feel jealous with YG's idols a lot because their talent artist have her/his own space to shine ...:(((

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  113. Pretty sure he means the ratio of untalented to talented people in SM is higher than in YG.

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  114. .... u in danger gurl.
    But seriously, this. The benefit of doubt that guys get for being hot is astounding.

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  115. jeez the defensiveness. just cause they say SM is visuals doesn't mean they have no talents. it's just most, if not all, of their artists are very pretty/fixed up to look good, and their visuals are of heavy importance. JYP has talents too, but their current acts are flopping with the exception of one, thus jyp = suzy.

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  116. laughing so hard rn. I mean really? They are Big 3 because of their influence... are you new to k-pop?

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  117. didn't train* :)

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  118. I'm sorry but what? I didn't said "they are not pretty" I said SM is NOT JUST ABOUT PRETTY IDOLS. SM have some really talented idols.

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  119. The 'only' was heavily implied.

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  120. I think its because in korea artists that take part in making their own music are seen in a better light. It also helps that they make music that the korean public actually likes. To be able to make music that millions of people in korea will listen to and enjoy is not an easy task

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  121. well there's literally only /two/ idol groups in yg so yeah

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  122. Almost chocked on me popcorn on that one. LOL
    I'm just waiting for someone to start flinging shit at peoples faces. A nail-biter for sure.

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  123. Seungri, TOP talent? Where??

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  124. hmm, i'll look into it when i need a new pair. i got a pair of skullcandy earphones and they disappointed me so much :( my friends and online reviews lied to me

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  125. Someone has to get hated.. K-net's Rules

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  126. 2pm still earns a lot of money in Japan. Their popularity there is no joke. The music market in Korea is saturated so it's harder to make money there than in other coutries.

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  127. jyp have better wide spread talent musicals,song writing,acting,variety show over all other artist be friend them wat about yg

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  128. Stop saying JYP is no longer in the Big 3. The Big 3 was never about how much money they made, it was their influence on kpop. That's why it was almost the big 4

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  129. But when she was asked on radio if she would want a solo album, she said no.

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  130. yeah let's bring the money card everytime we can't back up an argument

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  131. SM is great at visuals, but imo they have many talented people too. Well, they have some people that are not so talented, but YG do too. So why are they always labeled as visuals? Most people make it seems like all artists from SM are talentless and artists from YG aren't good looking -_-

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  132. I believe most of YG's kpop acts are about portraying fierceness(?) throught their clothes lol. I know some of them are talented, hell, gd has some stuff, but everything seems so forced that one can't really pay attention to his work without criticizing how tryhard he comes off.

    Sure, they have stage presence, but styling and stage presence is not all. A lot of 2ne1 fans- for example- defend their 'talent' so adamantly like they're the most talented kpop group, but if you separate these girls and compare their voices to other idols of other companies who are known for their talent, they're lacking a lot. A LOT. What I'm saying is that... they have enough talent(?) for an idol, but they're not the greatest thing from that country lol.

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  133. Well, I wasn't really impressed by their live performance the last comeback but I haven't seen them perform hyde yet. I hope they've improved because I like them too.

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  134. I don't understand why SM stans are getting mad? nobody said they were talentless.

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  135. and SM have a lot idols with vocal yet they still named as "visual",,

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  136. If your name is about this Jungah, then this is try-hard and trying-to-act-cool-but-ending-up-looking-stupid

    AS comeback teaser

    That's not cool. It's ugly :(

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  137. i agree but the scandals they get away with is crazy

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  138. Yeah, fans would kinda throw a fit because Sones are all about OT9. Even accepting Taetiseo was very hard for some of them and still is.

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  139. Henry is suuper talented, I'm happy he got solo.

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  140. Henry can compete with GD in musical talent if not more talented and i'm saying this due to GD stans.

    And SM has many talented people when it comes to music only.

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  141. Honestly speaking, Hyde is horrible. I like their debut song and rock ur body

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  142. jewel in my heartMay 30, 2013 at 11:02 AM

    oh sorry i forgot about that ^^

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  143. talented or not, unoriginal. visual or not, plastic.

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  144. Dear, is not like she can decide anyways

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  145. I think Henry trumps pretty much every other idol when it comes to musical talent, lol. The guy is the most versatile musician I've seen.

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  146. LOL after school's Jungah is called Kim Jungah, and I have absolutely zero interest in her.
    Try harder

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  147. Well SM have idols who are great singers and also idols who are great singers AND dancers.

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  148. Here, have some water. You might have missed it. Someone just made another Suzy-JYP joke. Damn, that was almost too good. And did they mention Yoona and Dara again? Wow. Oh, the talent arguments are just too exciting. This is really new. Like we've never seen these before. After years of kpop, this is the first time I'm seeing these kinds of comparisons. I'm seriously impressed.

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  149. Because SM idols will forever be known for their faces first. Always have since the time of the 1st gen groups. There are talented people in SM, but they're viewed as "pretty people who happen to sing/dance well" instead of being just thought of as good dancers or good singers.

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  150. lmao, so you listened to the leak? i still can't get over that Ryan Jhun dude threatening people with the FBI for downloading it hahahaha

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  151. why i feel like it's the same group of people that commenting on every article?

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  152. Oh thanks. He's not wrong but SM has more idols than YG it's not really comparable.

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  153. It's not a stretch to say that JYP is no longer a part of the Big 3. Their influence is slowly disappearing. However, there won't ever be another Big 3. Just a Big 2.

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  154. All companies has bad and good side but I especially don't like the big 3 anymore. The term 'BIG' described themselves quite perfectly anyway, the big tends to be arrogant. From what I see all 3 companies getting sucks in managing their artists. YG always been praised as a 'talent' company like the whole time, it's maybe true before but now that they started to released same thing all over again, trying too hard to be different from others with their supposedly swag-like family, it's annoying. However some of their latest releases did catch my attention like from Lee Hi, but still I hope they won't turn he to be like the others tbh.
    SM always using the same old tactics all over again, they have an army to love every single thing they release be it good or bad because they know they have faithful fandom that are willing to spend their money even to buy trash they release. They didn't even try hard to live up to their name as one of the biggest company and just throw anything to fans and they will still praised it. JYP sucks in managing their artists lately, I love some of their artists like Miss A, but what are they doing now...hiding in a cave..I hope they will not ruined them too like what they did to the others.

    Small companies are still better in managing their artists and give the best to them since they can only focus to the ones that they have. However I believe they'll change to the same when they grow big too. When you have too many artists under your belt, favoritism tends to happened, lack or originality, and also as taking the others (artists and fans respectively) lightly. Just do whatever as you know you have the support already.

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  155. I agree Cube has surpassed JYP, and to think Cube broke off from JYP. They jumped off that sinking ship.

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  156. No,i'm not saying this because i like YG but it reminds me of this Jungah..Sorry :(


    Altough people need to know about AS's comeback so i'm promoting them too~

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  157. I think its pretty fair to say that YG is talent. Almost all their singers can sing really well (minus seungri lol but he is above average if not average) and all their rappers can rap... but i dont think the same can be said for SM, if SM artists didnt have their visuals they deff wouldnt be as popular as they are...

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  158. ...but Cube was never part of JYP? But I get what you mean considering the CEO was JYP's former president.

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  159. It's just that SM fans are sick of people saying that SM groups are just full of pretty faces that can barely hold a tune when we know its complete bs. We can't express our disagreement with knetz comments?

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  160. It's a lot easier for smaller companies to manage their artists because the roster is small. It's stupid to compare a company like YGE to Starship, simply because the latter only has two groups and one sololist to handle.

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  161. SM also discovered many of the most successful 1st gen groups. Shinhwa, H.O.T, SES, Fly To The Sky :) and they still have Jay, Henry, Zhou Mi, The Grace, etc.

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  162. "that SM groups are just full of pretty faces that can barely hold a tune when we know its complete bs."

    where does it say that in the article?

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  163. They have many good live performances for On and On though but Hongbin and Hyuk did improve in live.

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  164. 카산드라 Kylynn ♡May 30, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Agree. I think "SM is visuals, YG is talent" means SM artists are not as talented as YG artists like GDragon. GD can produce and compose songs. Actually, some of the songs of their artists produced by GDragon and BOOM. It became one of the biggest hits.

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  165. The only talent YG has is lydia Paek and Epik High. G-Dragon, Teddy haven't made anything decent in years.

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  166. Visual is not that important is better to look not super pretty than to look like a face filled with plastic~ May I know which artist from YG are not that talented and why? :)

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  167. Because YG marketed his idols as talented, everyone seemed to be brainwashed by him lol

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  168. Cube president left JYP to open his own company by his money. Cube is never a part of JYP

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  169. wow... P.R.E.S.S.E.D

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  170. Bom can't sing live, Cl is just as average as seungri and her rapping is mediocre as well and let's not talk about dara...Minzy saves the gorup. Top can't really rap (he just has a deep voice) but at least he writes great songs once in a while. Taeyang really isn't comparable to sm vocalist but he's a great dancer (thanks god for daesung's vocals)

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  171. Thanks for the water.
    Wow. I love how they start throwing the numbers game. Who is making more and collectively who has more talented people combined within the company.
    Getting into the stats here.
    Are they even getting paid to defend companies and artists who do not even know they exist?

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  172. I'm looking forward to it. I hope they get a good song this time!

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  173. It's a constant criticism of anti-SM people. And the phrase SM=visual implies that their idols only look pretty and nothing else.

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  174. I don't like that picture either but not sure if you are promoting in a positive light.

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  175. Just so you know Teddy made all of 2NE1's song :) 2NE1 is also full of talent :) for you information~ Sorry if i sounded rude

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  176. ATM 2pm grown album is doing quite well No1 in Gaon for 2weeks since it's released.

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  177. I know that and I believe these small companies will tend to be the same after all. I didn't even compare them actually, I don't care of their stupid management as I know it's hard to keep the originality when you has too many things to consider with so many groups. It's the effort of this company that I'm questioning now. Look at some of the latest released from these companies (Wolf, Baddest Female)...they didn't even try..

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  178. I disagree. Half of their singers can't sing. Gummy, Daesung, Minzy, and Hayi are the only ones who can actually sing well. And still those four do not come close to SM's best singers.

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  179. 카산드라 Kylynn ♡May 30, 2013 at 11:10 AM

    GD and Teddy are always partner in producing songs uh.

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  180. I still haven't gotten over TTS. I'm also for OT9. Yet they're releasing another album. It hurts you know..

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  181. it's clearly implied

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  182. They are slowly coming out to the variety shows.. eventually they will be back to Korean Media.

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  183. 카산드라 Kylynn ♡May 30, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    GD and Teddy are always partner in producing songs uh. Some songs of GD produced by Teddy

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  184. Not to mention he is fluent in 3 languages and in English most importantly yet it took 7 years for SM to undersand and promote him.

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  185. only if the final result is good

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