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Wednesday, March 27, 2013

Another student jumps to his death + Top 10 list of worst high schools in Korea

Article: Valedictorian of prestigious high school leaves a final KakaoTalk message before ending his own life...

Source:
Hankyeore via Naver

16 year old high school sophomore jumped off the 20th floor of his apartment to his death. The last message he sent his mom was, "My brain is shredding my heart and I can't take it anymore. Be well. I'm sorry."

Since December 2011, Daegu and the Kyungbuk region have had a total of 26 student suicides relating to school stress and school violence.

1. [+494, -36] It's only the kids that are dying as a consequence of our trashy educational system

2. [+458, -20] It's the quiet ones that are the scariest when they finally decide to act on something. It means that he held it in for that long. Although his parents took him hiking, I bet it wasn't to help him clear his head but to nag him even more about his grades.

3. [+383, -12] For whom do students study for... ㅠㅠ I hope he's able to be free in a place without studying

4. [+370, -8] I'm feeling goose bumps at his words... His brain is shredding his heart... Can't imagine the pressure he was under.

5. [+297, -11] Our country's educational system is set up so that nobody can be happy, whether you're the valedictorian or the student ranked in last place.

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Next post is a bit random but I found it pretty interesting. It's a top 10 list of schools in Korea with the most iljins.

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10. Joil Technical High School (Daegu)

The high school that has the students with the lowest grades in all of Daegu. School fights happen frequently, as the school is situated near a mountain. The mountain separates the school from Jungdong High School, making the mountain a prime spot for lethal school fights. Fortunately, the school has been showing improvement in grades since 2010.


9. Kyemyung High School (Suwon)

Students have the lowest grades in Suwon and has the biggest ratio of iljins to students. Students form into big groups and walk around in groups of dozens. Suwon citizens fear walking by the school for obvious reasons.




8. Shindongshin Industrial High School (Seoul)

Known as the school of horrors, which is further perpetuated by the factory-like building of the school. Has extreme school violence issues. Most famous for its students terrorizing the neighboring Kyungmoon High School and beating the students to a pulp for no apparent reason.


7. Ansan Industrial High School (Ansan)

Better known as E-Mart High School because the school is a part of a building that has E-Mart. Has the most female iljins out of all the schools in Korea.



6. Seogwipo Industrial High School (Jeju Island)

Students of the school are the most feared by the people living in Jeju. Most of the students are stronger than your average student because they grew up delivering orange boxes since the school building used to be used for agriculture. They have extremely violent personalities. The school was in the news for a famous case where 11 students beat up a fellow classmate for two years.


5. Yeji High School (Daejun)

Most known for its high population of adult mobsters who are back to school to obtain their diplomas. Despite the school having a uniform policy, students don't adhere to it.


4. Goyang Vocational High School (Ilsan)

Probably the school with the highest number of students who have tattoos. School has no rules against tattoos and nearly half of the male student body sports them. The school is located in a deserted area and boasts an extremely high percentage of iljins. Rare to find a 'jjinda', or a loser, among all the iljins because they simply can't survive.


3. Sungji High School (Seoul)

Known as one of the top 3 worst high schools in Korea. There are no rules against anything, and the school even has a separate smoking room for its students. Piercings, hair length, hair dye, tattoos are all allowed. School that probably started the Northface jacket fad (TN: Northface jackets are associated with iljins in Korea because they wear them so much). Also the alma mater of F.T. Island's Lee Hongki, pro gamer Lee Jedong, Choi Eun Jung, TEEN TOP's Chunji, and other famous figures.




2. Unbong Technical High School (Incheon)

The most representative when it comes to high schools with the biggest iljin population. In 2009, a video of one of the students getting into a fight heated up the online community. They have a separate 'transfer student killer', whose job is to beat up any and every transfer student who enrolls in the school. One of the schools with the most school violence/fights in the nation. Also the school of former F.T. Island's Oh Wonbin. Students are known for harrassing students of other neighboring schools for money.

1. Chungryang Information High School

The worst high school out of the top 3 worst high schools. The school is situated on a deserted alley way near a prostitution street so students pass by it day and night. Most legendary for a huge fight that started between their rival school where 20 of their rugby players fought against 20 Chungryang students and Chungryang still managed to beat them severely. Students are known for threatening neighboring college students out of their money and getting into fights with their own teachers.

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209 comments:

  1. ouch...the student suicide thing is not going to make a good image for korea. wow. those "iljin" schools had idols graduate from them? i wanna say that wouldn't k-netizens be harassing these idols?

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  2. So the rumours about Chunji being a bad kid/gangster aren't completely false...

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  3. My heart breaks for that boy. For all kids in situations like that, where they can't take it any longer for whatever reason. I know how that can feel. Just wish there was an easy solution to the problem....

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  4. Those places are HELL.

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  5. "[+297, -11] Our country's educational system is set up so that nobody can be happy, whether you're the valedictorian or the student ranked in last place. "
    So sad.

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  6. Damn, and I thought my school was bad.

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  7. Wow, those schools sound so terrifying. I can't imagine how scary it must be to have to go to school in such a stressful environment. High school is horrible enough without having to worry about being bullied constantly.
    Something's got to change for these poor kids.

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  8. Brings back memories. My school was just like some of these.

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  9. LMAO There are no rumors he was a "gangster", the rumors were that he occasionally took girls to karaoke rooms and fooled around with them.

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  10. You know koreans associate on shows "bad kids" immediately with "gangsters". I didn't actually mean it that way

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  11. OMG. Korea need to start taking care of their kids instead of turning a blind eye and pretending bullying don't exist. All the resources into creating the perfect idol should put to charity against violence and bullying.

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  12. damn. and no ones doing anything about this why?

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  13. It just sounded really funny, like Chunji is the next Godfather or something.

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  14. this is sad and wtf korean...

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  15. ''...Rare to find a 'jjinda', or a loser, among all the iljins because they simply can't survive. ''

    They can't SURVIVE? WTF. It sounds so freaking scary O_O

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  16. This makes me sad. These kids can't even talk to anyone about what's going on because of fear of bullies and their parents don't listen unless it's about their grades.

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  17. send those bastards to North Korea. See if you'll survive.

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  18. Must be tired as as hell mentally n physically going to sch like those . No wonder these peeps want to be idols (as a reason to skip sch) if they're even studying that is

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  19. i shouldnt wear northface jacket to korea ...

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  20. O_0 at the 2nd to the last picture. How in the world can you do your thing in peace with all those student crammed up in that bathroom (if that's a bathroom)? How can people tolerate a fellow classmate being bullied. I just don't get it. I went through High School without being bullied and so were all of my classmates. There were instances that the guys will get annoyed at each other, but people near them will stop them before it get any worse. It's sad that kids gets bullied and feel like the only solution to get out of their hellish life is suicide.

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  21. Korea should be concerned about how kids feel about their education system... They should at least try to lessen study hours in my opinion because I heard that highschool students study for 16 hours! Like, SERIOUSLY?

    I feel sorry for those students whose behaviours are bad because of the schools lack of discipline policies. They must've grown up to be gangsters or jobless people just because of their school :(

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  22. UHM. WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THESE SCHOOLS...

    "Better known as E-Mart High School because the school is a part of a building
    that has E-Mart." WTF?!

    "Students of the school are the most feared by the people living in Jeju. Most of the students are stronger than your average student because they grew up delivering orange boxes"

    - super strength iljins well damn

    "Known as the school of horrors, which is further perpetuated by the factory-like building of the school." FACTORY BUILDING FOR A SCHOOL well shit

    "The worst high school out of the top 3 worst high schools. The school is situated on a deserted alley way near a prostitution street so students pass by it day and night." PROSTITUTION STREET what in the actual fuq

    "Most known for its high population of adult mobsters who are back to school to obtain their diplomas." WHAT THE ACTUAL

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  23. Northface jacket?? Why would you wear one of those? It's just a normal jacket it's not even that pretty.

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  24. There are bad schools in every country. Students dying because of family pressure and/or bullying is really sad though. When are they gonna acknowledge and address this problem? I remember that other article where it said S.Korea was number one in suicides.

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  25. Lol my english teacher bought her northface jacket in Korea.
    She was surprised at how cheap it was...hum.

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  26. Then what are the FT Island guys. Two of them attended some of the worst high schools, are they possibly iljins too??

    Hongki DD:

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  27. Wow the #1 worst high school needs a renovation. It looks like a dirty/abandoned office space

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  28. Wow...there's actually a legit list.
    I wonder what was happening in the idols' school life while they were in school.

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  29. hmm interesting. Maybe explains the "former member" part. Tun tun!

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  30. This kind of reminds of the drama School 2013. It looks like reality isn't that much different.

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  31. lol just people went to an iljin school, it doesn't mean they were iljins too
    and i have no idea where you heard those rumors bc they're completely unfounded

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  32. I wonder how this whole thing started out though. Like what is it about the school system in Korea that gives birth to iljins and all that?

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  33. oh damn at the smoking in school one.

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  34. Hence the "completely" part

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  35. I suddenly appreciate the time I had in high school so much. Sounds like paradise compared to these schools.

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  36. It's not only the educational system, though. Adults who keep pushing students and labeling them add emotional burden to the teenagers. Sometimes even justifying bullying too, which is so sad.

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  37. Although we did have a group of female "iljins" a group of male "iljins" for every grade in my highschool, my highschool like was terrific. One must avoid these people, even though they just target ppl who get in the way and our rival school. Ust be extra terrible in Korea since their school ahours are longer than the average 7am-4pm school day.

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  38. i want to go to that school i think it's fun

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  39. I pity the neighbouring school..

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  40. "since no one care about the ranking, just about the grades"



    what do you think they are ranking?

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  41. "separate smoking rooms for students"- WTF

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  42. They expect the good kids too learn? HOW!? Another thing if parents knew about how awful this shit is why send your child there?

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  43. I hope you get in and.... have fun ^^

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  44. hmm well hongki once said on a tv show that he regretted making his mother worry so much in his youth since he didn't behave like a good son, caused problems at school so his parents had to go bow their heads etc.

    (I'm not saying that he was an iljin tho, and even if he was ,people change and one shouldn't judge another on his past mistakes especially if they're showing remorse)

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  45. My high school was relatively peaceful. No big drama, no bullying, no cliques. We just all hung out with each other. Being smart in my school is like being cool.
    Korean schools sound ridiculously scary. It scares me how dominant bullying and violence is there. Is there ANYONE in the government trying to help change these ways? seriously..this isn't right.

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  46. This is slightly terrifying. I feel bad for students who have no choice BUT to attend these schools.

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  47. And there are actually school administrators and teachers who work at these schools??? And an actual smoking room and they still refer to it as a school? Ridiculous. They need to turn these schools into army-style bootcamps...(or better yet ship all these illjins off to a third world developing war-torn country where going to school would be considered a luxury).

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  48. I would rather schools in the hood than these schools. Bullying in America must seem like child's play to them.

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  49. Haha yes you're right, but it wasn't what I mean..

    There are just a few people who care about grades. But the majority just enjoy life because the public colleges accept everyone free of charge or with a cheap fees. And I meant by ranking that if you are the #1 of your class or your high school no one care and if you are the last one no one care too.

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  50. I hope k-netizens and the media will center their focus on witch hunting these iljins both (real and virtual) and stop creating stupid scandals in the internet. If the propaganda are being put in proper perspective like societal issues then the government will have no choice but to answer it to the people.

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  51. I'll beat the piss and shit out of all of them. And then take their shitty northface jackets and their cigs.

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  52. The school I go to isn't as bad as these schools, but it has a really bad reputation. We have the highest violence and gang member rates of the district and fights are almost daily... But we also have sent numerous of students to ivy league colleges and have produced multiple perfect SAT scores in this last decade. It just proves that even in the worst schools, everything is dependent on your own choices. Just because you go to a horrible school, it doesn't mean that you are a bad person.

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  53. On another post people saying it was IMPOSSIBLE for someone in Korea to have dyed hair while high school, yet it's apparent by this post than some schools are much more lax than others... and this is just 10 of them lol

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  54. when wonbin left the group there were rumours that it was because he and hongki didn't get along...maybe since both of them were iljins from different schools there were rivalities, fights for the higher rank :O tun tun!
    (btw I'm obviously joking guys)

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  55. i'm just curious everyone in korea seem to know about it but no one do anything... even the police????

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  56. No it's not the same. There are no ranking in France. Your grades are your own personal thing and if you want to compare with other people in your class then go ahead but that's your choice. The pression to be the best is your own (and possibly your parents').

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  57. Free of charge? Cheap fees? Ay ay what college do you go to? You still got to be eligible for scholarships and stuff. I had to pay over 400€ for this year out of my own pocket. Not counting school books. (Which granted is much less than say the US or England).

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  58. The mountain separates the school from Jungdong High School, making the mountain a prime spot for lethal school fights
    LOL that sounds like an into in comic book.

    I dont get why they are still keeping this schools. One of the school doesn't even have any rule. That's ridiculous.

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  59. My high school has a separate smoking room for students too, I honestly thought that was normal..

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  60. The only rule I remember that my school have was never fight in the buildings, my school was a nest of rats, it was almost as bad as one these but even like that I never listened about bullying.

    I still can't understand Korea, they are so strict whent they want to protect inocence but HOW THE HELL they build a school near a prostitution street? HOW?!

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  61. that explain how and when Hongki develop interest in nail polish since his school didn't have school rules against that. LOL!

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  62. Funny thing is that the rumored ones to be iljins aren't Hongki nor the former member, but Jonghoon.. And you have CN Blue's Minhyuk too, well..

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  63. Hongki had a rebellious teenage life, constant school fights, underage drinking, underage clubbing,dating around, he did all
    he confessed that he regretted whatever he did in the past

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  64. I read many manhwas before and I thought it's ridiculous how there are gangsters in almost every school mentioned in most of the stories I read. I thought the writers are trying so hard to make antagonists so evil.
    I guess I'm wrong.

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  65. no, Hongki and Wonbin are BFF since middle school
    the rumor was that wonbin left ftisland because he originally wanted to be a solo singer but FNC put him in ft island( when he's in ft island,he even mentioned few time that he wants a solo album)
    and he can't stand being overshadowed by Hongki most of the time

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  66. Jonghoon is not an iljin, but he's famous for being a serial dater and a playboy
    pre-debut he dated few famous ulzzang and also much older noonas
    and he made some visit to room salon even back in middle school, the girls there likes him a lot

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  67. Definitely, you shouldn't...otherwise you're beaten to a pulp - and have your expensive jacket stolen too.

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  68. From some of the iljins I've seen at my schools in Korea, a good lot of them appear to be from dysfunctional families (at least that's what I hear from teachers) - i.e. divorced parents and never set a good example (in other words, very poor parenting from either the mother or father they're with), influenced by older peers/sunbae iljins at school and the list goes on. Some have parents who are either away for a long period of time due to work, others unemployed and don't do anything except be a mess themselves.


    In rarer cases, a few appear to be from well-off families who feel they can do whatever they want since their parents are either members of the school board or foundation financing the school itself etc.. There was one iljin I recall whose mom gave a lot of financial contributions to the school up to the point even the principal didn't dare do anything to cross her - consequently, the iljin himself was literally, a running rampage of a mess and got away with practically every wrong he did, or at least got very minor punishments - from beating up and stealing money from other students, smoking, blackmailing etc.

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  69. Mannnn, I'm glad that my school or the educational system here in my country is not that much harsh or difficult compared to Korea. If I was there, Idk..maybe I'd be dead by now. lol. I maybe can't survive any day..


    School is supposed to be fun and a place where you can meet new friends and what not but...knowing these things happen.. it's so terrifying. I thought the only thing cud be terrifying is when doing exams -___-


    But.. Why does such people exist?? -___-

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  70. i guess there's too much entertainment and these kids are too exposed and advance . mostly ungrateful brats . just imagine the trauma the victims have to go through all their life . smh

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  71. In Korea, NF jackets are considered luxury items there especially due to the brand name and extremely high price, depending on the type and style among the iljins.


    For iljins, wearing them is kinda like a message of saying "We can afford this pricey shit, so you better not mess with us or you're fucking dead as a dodo" than just trying to be fashionable.

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  72. wtf is wrong with people...I really don't understand iljins or bullying period.

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  73. Shit, and I thought the iljins at the schools I went were a fucking mess.

    All the iljins in those schools need to have their asses hauled off by the police or military, beaten in public in front of thousands and shipped off to a boot camp for a whole year. Maybe THAT will fix them up.

    For the ones that still don't get fixed up, then by all means, send them to a juvenile institute for another year or use them as a cannon fodder unit against the North Koreans in case a K-war 2.0 breaks out.

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  74. heard about the room salon rumor during their debut,netizen's reaction: he's daebak
    though i think it's just him, his girl friend and some other female friends ( few of them) hanging out in club openly even when he's underage at that time

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  75. Won Bin left FTISLAND because he wanted to go solo, and till now Hong Ki and Won Bin still contact and support each other frequently, you can see that on their twitter. They are still good friend now.

    Hong Ki had a rebellious past, but he isn't an iljin!! He was rebellious and caused a lot of troubles at school but now he regretted and changed. If you watch Hello Talk Show, you'll find him really regret about his behavior in the past. If you find out about him, you'll find he's really a good man now...

    (sorry for my bad English)

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  76. I don't think it's even right to call them schools. They seem more like a breeding ground for iljins to become gangsters upon becoming adults.

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  77. this suddenly reminds me to japan's film battle royale

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  78. You'll only find it fun if you go in armed to the teeth.

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  79. FT Island (T..T)
    but that doesn't mean that Hongki and Wonbin (who is now a solo), was iljin right? Hongki explain how he was a naughty/deliquent kid before. He even ran out from home. But then, he regrets it, because of his mom. I didn't know that it was a bit more complex story, because his old school is known for Iljin.

    Anyway, hoaaah, I am a bit scared of Korea right know. Of course there must be bullying cases in my country, but never heard a group of iljin students concentrated in certain schools. And, suicide cases are not as high as Korea. I am a collage student now and never experienced such a bullying, nor never saw them happen. I am really grateful. Thank god, eventhough sometimes I want to be Korean because of Kpop, but I definitely live a happy life until now, better than some Koreans.

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  80. Seriously? Minhyuk? An iljin? Explanation please? O___O

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  81. The police can't do anything because they're 'minors', hence they don't do anything. It's the same reason why the police doesn't do anything against sasaeng fans either - because they're not adults.


    Hell, a friend of mine nearly died from having a stone thrown at his head from one of the more psycho iljins at the high school I went there and required surgery + a long stay in hospital. Some of the parents in the school parent union demanded he be expelled (including my dad) and even filed a complaint to the police that he be arrested for attempted murder - the cops said he was 'underage', hence they couldn't do anything and it was up to the school to punish him.


    Regardless to say, his punishment from the school was pitifully pathetic and it's even more fucking stupid that one of his favorite victims' mother actually pleaded he be forgiven (and it turned out she was deeply religious too, which explains a lot - either that, or she was scared shitless of being attacked herself outside school).

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  82. i'm curious about this to.. minhyuk?.. seriously..

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  83. I'd say that wtf is wrong with adults. If these are known facts about these schools shouldn't something be done? Not that having tattoos, bad grades and hair dye somehow turn you to a bad person but bullying shouldn't be overlooked. Is the education system really that bad?

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  84. Being rebellious and causing a shitload of trouble are exactly what iljins do in school and outside it *facepalm*.


    They are the core traits of being one.

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  85. Experiencing it first hand, yes, it fucking sucks there, despite occasional memorable moments.


    I don't mind tattoos, bad grades and hair dye (quite frankly, even your average kid does this in Korea) either but looking back, it's obvious that the school authorities themselves are quite afraid of tackling iljins themselves - especially since iljins operate like minor-aged gangs who will do anything to exact revenge on anyone who they feel as 'wronged' them. As for the ones whose parents are contributors to the schools or simply powerful figures, nothing can be done against them unless it's the military dictatorship days in the 1980s.


    Just look at school no.5 alone - adult mobsters who come BACK to school to get their diplomas, many of them very likely members of gangs. I don't think the school authorities would really have guts to handle students like that unless you got former Marines or special forces guys acting as security guards armed to the teeth 24/7

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  86. Makes me thankful that my parents put me and my siblings in super expensive all-girls and all-boys Catholic schools where none of this shit is ever tolerated. Just get caught smoking in the vicinity of the school and your ass is expelled with no questions asked.

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  87. I admit I don't really understand it all since my school days were okay and there really isn't issues like these in my country. And as I live in a another country I don't even know everything.

    I'm more like wondering that doesn't the government and higher ups really have any power/capabilities to do something. Mostly everyone knows already that the Korean education system leads to suicides and social problems so wouldn't it be time to change it? Even if it's a little by little. (Not that the education system is to blame for all of it. If I had more time and better English I might go to that)

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  88. Really interesting how school systems can differ so drastically. Living in another country that is well known for having one of the best education systems, it's just.. Wow. We have more freedom (like no rules about clothes or piercings or hair dye etc), shorter school days, absolutely no pressure on grades etc.. But in turn, no groups compard to "iljin". People are actually happy to study. I seriously wonder what causes such a big difference.

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  89. In Morocco we actually have the same system as France, I'm in economic prep classes passing the admission exams to schools in two weeks to pursue my studies in France, but actually the way the system is applied in Morocco is different, which makes it a crappy system, no one cares about studying & grades, and college entrance becomes less about grades and more about who you are, everything here is about corruption.. which is sad.

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  90. lol what a joke. minhyuk wasn't an iljin. he preferred to be alone during his high school years (iljins usually travel in packs) and he confessed that he wasn't popular because he was awkward and kinda boring. look at his predebut photos, he was the furthest thing from an iljin lol

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  91. And south korea will happily ever after "adopt" these bastards and in the end turn these bastards into deadly weapon to fight back south korea.

    World peace! "facepalm"

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  92. "Piercings, hair length, hair dye, tattoos are all allowed. "


    Oh nooooo those things are so terrible. Seriously, if they didn't stifle kids' ability to express themselves so much maybe they wouldn't lash out as much in the first place.

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  93. Korea's high schools are scary.

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  94. Maybe South Korea is secretly training teenagers to be gangsters, in case North Korea attacks? LOL.

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  95. After reading this, I'm scared to go to Korea..

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  96. he's like the goody2shoes guy next door during his school days
    he still is right now,lol

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  97. I can't help but think reinforces the S. Korea mentality against delinquent schools and the value of reputation. I think it's ridiculous having strict policies on uniforms. Is it bad that the above school allows their students to wear make-ups and dye their hair? Bullying is horrible, but it's even scarier when you come from a prestigious school. Sometimes the headmaster would prefer to sweep it under the rug to maintain their reputation. And you see what happens to schools with bad reputation, they get put on this list.


    All these suicide reports would be the catalyst for reform, I hope. I'm appalled that children would feel like there is no other choice but to die, and I can't imagine what is running through the minds of the thousands others who are in similar situations. My condolences to this student, may he find peace.

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  98. We had this one Korean classmate once. He enrolled in quite late and he entered the room like he owned the school. Like shit, it was like a scene in a movie it's funny. He kicked the door open and had his hands inside his pockets while entering the class. You know he's around cause the door would be banging every time he comes to class. He thought he was cool but most of was were just weirded of him. He was expelled later cause he got into a fight with a female student cause she joked with him about something and it pissed him off. He really almost beat her up.

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  99. I was wondering what kind of parents would like to enroll their son or daughter to that kind of school. It was technically a school of iljins.. lol

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  100. I want to demolish those schools so bad!!

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  101. If you have a scholarship, it's free of charge or cheap. My fees were very low because I had a scholarship (the same for the majority of my friends).

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  102. My heart breaks for the boy who took his life. That is so horrible. R.I.P.

    This is a side of Korea k-pop fans don't see much of. There are crappy schools and "bad" kids in every country. When I was in high school, the kids who were labeled as "badass" were basically just alternative school black/latino kids who didn't get good grades and had a difficult home life. They had attitude problems, yes, but a part of me thinks it's important to not judge other kids because of what school they go to. Those kids who do horrible things and beat up on other students are at fault, but so are the adults at their school and the people in charge for allowing it to happen and not providing them with a good environment. I'm not saying this in response to anything in particular, just reflecting~



    Also it's kind of ironic that North Face jackets are associated w/ iljins, here in the U.S. they're associated with snobby, preppy kids who come from good families hahaha.

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  103. as for the school with the smoking room, the administrators probably figured it was better to give them one room to smoke in rather than having them do it elsewhere on school property or in the bathrooms. they probably had so many student smokers that they figured they might as well do something. doesn't make it right, but still.

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  104. After reading that article, I'm shocked with the violence. I'm French too and as far as I am concerned, I don't think our schools are that bad.
    Of course, there are always some bad people making fun of you for your height, weight or ... etc. but it was in middle school. In High School, the mindset is so different. Nobody insults or hit someone especially for nothing !


    And yeah, we are lucky because we have scholarship "easily" unlike some countries ....

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  105. that last part goes on here in the u.s. too, with private schools. my friend went to a catholic school and said there were a few kids just like that who got away with harrassing and bullying other students.

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  106. the fuck ._. ?

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  107. Now I understand those many bitter people in the internet, though I don't condone bullying physically as well as in the internet I, at least know why many kids are bitching and taking out their frustrations on celebrities or idols in the internet. This is very sad I wish they tackle this issue more and resolve this quickly so that more innocent lives will not be taken in the future.

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  108. poor parents who can't afford to choose where their children goes?

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  109. Man you can't even survive o_o

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  110. where is Suzuran? XD

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  111. Je savais pas qu'il y avait autant de français ici, woot woot ça tue :) .

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  112. he's more like male student that loved by the teachers :))

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  113. OH wow I'm just speechless ! The entire K society has to change not only the school system, there are a lot more factors that can cause a suicide !

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  114. This is seriously fucked up. Korea needs to do something about its education system. The government just doesn't give a shit.

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  115. lol wasn't bigbang promoting the brand? how fitting haha

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  116. There is indeed growing pressure and outrage from the public for a stronger change in the system there but sadly, there is also still a large portion of people who actually don't care about it and prefer things remain the way they are - which in the case of the latter, a significant portion of parents themselves, teachers and government officials in the ministry of education.


    The latter sect are also largely opposed to other changes to the education system (such as dropping off the tight hair length and color regulation, an overwhelming number of compulsory subjects, mandatory study periods in school till 10pm and corporal punishment etc) - and as far as bullying goes, I'll say their view on it seems to be a disturbed version of 'survival of the fittest' - which also describes the education system there very fittingly imo.


    Considering SK's conservative nature in general, it's probably why solutions to deal with the negatives in the system itself are either slow or simply not looked seriously at.


    On the side note, if I had to make connections with this to idol groups, it may explain why Korean netizens, particularly teenagers or those who've experienced bullying in the past themselves, are particularly harsh towards idols who are accused/alleged/supposedly or in worst case scenario, confirmingly, are iljins or have done iljin-like behavior.

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  117. That probably fueled their egos a tad a bit more lol.


    If iljins see some big popular idol group promoting it, they're bound to get their hands on it to make themselves feel even more 'superior' to others - or in other words, a way to further inflate their own disturbed egos of fuckery.

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  118. Mais moi aussi ! J'en ai vu quelqu'uns sur allkpop mais ici, personne mdr !
    Je sais pas pour toi mais je parle plus KPOP avec des étrangers qu'avec des français mdr. J'ai réussi à convertir quelques amis mais c'est tout et puis ce n'était qu'avec Running Man donc bon ^^

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  119. well, you all pretending like you'venever seen a bad school..I. I mean, fine, this lusty does sound bad but there are school like that everywhere ... life's tough! if you really don't know those kind of schools around your place or where you probably better not going on night .... or you know what, been to one of those places.... well, you must be really closed in your own world... really really closed....

    as for ft island.... well, I'd take a bad boy hongki everyday.... he is not an idol. he says so himself, nor does he wanna be... if you treat this kid like an idol or expect him to behave so you're in for some series disappointment ^^ and for real, him shouting f*cking cool in gda's was the best ever...
    so yes. ft island are not idols good boys top students type of thing.

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  120. Agreed to an extent. IDK Korea's system is way way way way different, the
    high school yuo went to could mar you for life and prevent you even getting your college application read. Luckily it's not like that here in the US.


    My high school was labeled one of the worst in the nation cuz of school violence, drugs etc/ But I honestly didn't even really notice it was that bad. While I went there, our Debate Team was 1st in the state, many of my friends and myself went on to be doctors, lawyers, teachers etc. True, there were some massive fights and scariness, oodles of teen pregnancy and arrests, but we had no metal detectors and usu all the fights were between the bad kids, everything was pretty contained and when like ppl came to the school to fight, our homeroom teacher would lock the door, and principal would call the police. There was none of this pat on the wrist BS.

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  121. i read a comment somewhere, maybe here, that iljin's these days in Korea more and more are from prominent families either legal or illegal (like politicians, chaebols, or gangster leaders' children)

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  122. Pareil j'ai qu'une connaissance française qui aime la Kpop, c'est grâce à des amis coréens que j'ai tout découvert mais j'en parle pas vraiment à qui que ce soit en faite >< .
    J'ai converti personne, y en a qui aiment bien quelques chansons mais ça va jamais plus loin..
    En tous cas c'est cool de savoir qu'on est sur NB aussi (Y) .

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  123. These schools sound like schools in London during 2008.... not even the worse schools too. Thank God most people my age came out of that mindset loool (or quite a lot of them are in jail now.. awkward)

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  124. 1. [+494, -36] It's only the kids that are dying as a consequence of our trashy educational system
    It's not only their educational system they have to change but their way to think.
    Just look at k-netizens and you can already see what is going wrong.

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  125. I guess the authorities will only move their asses when one of this students will choose to shoot his classmates instead of kill himself.

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  126. Mdrr, t'as raison :D
    Si tu vas souvent sur NB, je ferais plus attention à tes commentaires alors ^^

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  127. disqus_XTu3esPnUcMarch 28, 2013 at 7:20 AM

    smoke, huh ?

    In my country the teacher doesn't allow them to smoke but the students just smoke crazily, but still their realize and started to be a good student

    but,when I know "that" school in korea allow you to smoke,have tattoos,etc.
    then the headmaster is the iljin, well not surprised coz I know that good school only comes in a drama not in real life,but smoke makes you stupid & also dump
    so we can predict that 75% students in Korea are idiot since idiot is always equated with iljin .


    I just curious, do iljin have religions ? (just asking)

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  128. Japanese education is equally stressful. Less for bullying, even though that happens too, but their parents put immense pressure on the to churn out good results to get into better schools to get into good uni to get into a high paying company. Similarly, their suicide rate is just about as high if not higher than S Korea. Similarly, they too are an image conscious society. Similarly too, they both face an aging population.


    If only they learnt from one another.

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  129. Trop bizarre de lire des messages en français. Ça fait du bien après tout cet anglais. Pareil pour moi. Mais j'ai plus d'amis/connaissances françaises/francophones qui aiment la Kpop que d'étrangers (grâce à Twitter haha).

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  130. Yeah, we are really lucky. It's sad that a lot of people give up school because of our careless mind..

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  131. wait.. what.. a special room for students to smoke? Why doesn't this exist here? Q_Q It's cold outside in the winter to smoke.. :(

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  132. correlation does not equal causation. korea has a higher suicide rate (apparently), europe also faces an aging population (as does any developed country). korea and japan's education systems are top ranked but unfortunately, what is good for the country/system isnt always good for the people/students.

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  133. I have no idea about delinquent schools cos I was blessed to grow in a good environment, study without interruptions and pass for good schools where there are rules and all the students are smart and well-behaved. Schools like this are a shock to me but I know they exist in every nation.

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  134. What are you talking about? I wear a north face jacket but no one cares or says anything about it. (Yes, I live in Korea)

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  135. the iljin problem is quite easy to explain. when you have a society that lives off of praising over-achievers and sets very high standards, you will get kids who dont fit into that system. and we all know what happens with kids who dont fit into a system.

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  136. Idem!
    J'y passe tous les jours mais je commente assez rarement, j'adore ce site je le préfère à Allkpop perso :)

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  137. RIP ot the deceased T.T

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  138. What's iljin? Was it mentioned there? I can't find the meaning.

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  139. But really... the school's bulding is creepy...

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  140. Pretty much there are similar schools everywhere but some private schools are even worse and speaking by experience.

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  141. From what I heard, the fad itself supposedly has died out in recent times so perhaps that may be why? I was also referring to students only by the way.


    It doesn't apply to adults, of course. At least when I was there, nobody at the schools I went dared to wear the same styles the iljins wore.

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  142. I think it's good he got expelled. If it was Korea, he most certainly wouldn't have been gotten any punishment comparable and would be terrorizing that girl at any chance he can get.

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  143. If that's the case, the number of iljins should be smaller in general, since prominent & rich families are of lesser number.


    Not sure about politicians or chaebols, but the kids of gang leaders are undoubtedly not to mess around with. At least from my experience, the majority of iljins tend to be from pretty unpleasant backgrounds or just ended up hanging with the wrong crowd in general.

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  144. Generally speaking, the uniform policies aren't so highly enforced (though this could vary between schools). In summer, due to the hot weather, it's normal to find a lot of students wearing their uniforms in a very casual manner i.e. wearing only t-shirts or leaving their uniform shirt unbuttoned and in winter, you're allowed to wear your own padding jackets, hoodies, coats and/or scarves even during class.


    As far as dying your hair and makeup goes, again, not very highly enforced but as said above, this varies between schools (colors like brown are seemingly ignored but anything like blonde or 'whackier' colors like what GD does will result in less than happy results).


    If anything, in regards to appearances, the haircut regulation should be the first to go.

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  145. Grâce à Twitter, tu rencontres plus de fans français ? Ben, je devrais m'y mettre aussi alors ^^

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  146. Iljin basically means 'first-class' in school, though it is more widespread as a term to refer to the school's thugs.


    There's two separate types of them, as far as I've seen - the ones who are practically rich and academically top in their school whose parents have huge say over the school authorities, and thus abuse their own power by making themselves feel like kings & queens...and ones who are basically hardly any different to gangs that go around beating, stealing and tormenting other students just to show they're the 'boss' of the school, impose dominance to make themselves feel better in their own deluded worlds of fucker or worse, simply for the fun of it.


    The second type is much more common and quite frankly, much more dangerous. They're animals that need their asses put down with force.

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  147. They do sound bad. I went to middle school in the ghettos and there were fights every single day lol. There were multiple drills bc someone came in with a weapon and one of our teachers was even arrested for sexually harassing boys. It was like the ratchetest school. BUT we still got good grades and I was a loser and no one really bothered me idk(there were bullied students tho -- mostly if you were white you were bullied). And there were no 'gangs' as far as I know. I'm kinda curious how they compare.

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  148. yet there's stupid fangirls that wish to be a korean

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  149. actually the rumors said he didn't get along well with junghoon. but he still pursue his career under the same company, so it seems a bit unlikely for the rumor to be true...

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  150. Hahahahah please, Minhyuk? i would need some proof of that LOL'ed so much at the mere thought of it XD. Hongki and Jonghoon, on the other hand, are probably ex iljins.

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  151. female iljin schools, super strong iljins, transfer student killer, school of mobsters, school for tattoed students, prostitution schools etc..
    And I thought these things existed only in mangas,animes or dramas lol

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  152. I as well. I'm from Finland and I don't think our schools are that bad or violent. Maybe it's the same like in France(?) the mindset really is different in high school. All the bullying and name calling happened in middle school and people grow up before high school. Teachers treat us like adults in high school and so we are expected to act according to it. But then again in Korea almost everyone goes to high school and not vocational school. The pressure to go to a university is huge. Since in Finland there's no private schools and education is free you don't really have to worry about it. And vocational school is thought to be a good choice as well. Korea is like at the complete opposite side.

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  153. Aha, that's right. If they were situated in America, or at least my school any of these iljins would have been arrested and put on probation.

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  154. That´s a different level. These schools look like kindergarten next to Suzuran High :-))

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  155. My high school had one too and it was a very good school.

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  156. I think it's not only the education system, it's just a part of the problem. Like you said, poor parenting is usually the source of all troubles. Having a drunk father or mother really doesn't help and make your life easier. There should be some programs and student counseling to help these kids.

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  157. All of them sound like hell. Korea needs to get a grip on this shit.

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  158. Wow F.T. Island's member is famous in this article. hahahaha

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  159. France sucks i'm ashamed to be french
    South Korea is the best country

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  160. Ouaip tu devrais t'y mettre, on est une bonne grosse communauté sur Twitter. Tu ne le regretteras pas :)

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  161. The moment you realize that your country is WAY better than your beloved Korea. be grateful of what you got, guys :)

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  162. the law about underaged kids really seems messed up. If I remember correctly, in my country the age is 15 and after that your responsible for all the stupid shit you do.

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  163. True. But you know anything that makes your individuality stand out is looked down on.

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  164. The description looks exactly like those I've heard on American prison's documentaries lol

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  165. I thought iljin's a student who bully others, maybe I misunderstood, sorry...

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  166. Yes I know all that lmao I was just saying it's not the case for everyone -_- You basically repeated what I just said lool

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  167. So it is the same in Finland too. Maybe the Western culture is different than Asian ones and that's why schools are so different I don't really know but it sucks so bad for them. I wish there were more help for these you have suicidal thoughts and yeah, the pressure must be too much especially in these kind of environment. How could they study with a clear mind ?

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  168. Yah, try to talk to us in French and we will see if you are really one of us. But I doubt. What kind of people would say something as rude as that ?

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  169. I just reread my comment.. You're right #facepalm I guess I didn't understand your comment since you weren't clear.

    But the only ones I know who don't have a scholarship are rich. So it's just the rich ones who have to pay. Middle and poor classes have all a scholarship. The ones who aren't rich and don't have scholarship are exceptional cases.

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  170. Any one fan of Crows Zero??? Genji..

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  171. obviously europe is not a country

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  172. it's just like an inner city school in the usa... people go there cause they don't have anywhere else to go

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  173. The lethal mountain reminds me of the new movie 'Pluto' about the schooling system in SK. Very frightening stuff! Esp. as the director is an ex-teacher working in her own experiences.

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  174. My school had very strict school rules, but that didn't make the student be like what they are in some of those Korean school. We were not allowed to have piercing, no long hair for guys, hair dye is not allowed, we can only wear a specific uniform and the length of the skirt should not be longer or shorter than what is required. Bullying is a big NO in our school. There maybe some delinquent in our school, but disrespecting any school staffs is never tolerated. Teachers will not think twice to call the student's parents for a meeting if the student is not behaving properly. Every class in our school has an appointed homeroom teacher which make sure that her student are okay and are behaving properly. She doesn't treat as like students, but care for us like a mother and I think that helps a lot to know that there is someone in position who you can talk to and trust. The problem I see in those Korean School is that the students are more in control than the school officials. How can they stop the bullying if the school officials are more afraid than the student themselves. It's sickening to know that there are fellow students who gets bullied everyday. High School was such a wonderful page in my life and it's such a shame that there are those who can't enjoy it.

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  175. Well I hope they get things under control I went to a middle school that was notorious for having students kill other students amongst other crimes. I took finding a better a high school seriously because of that but things got better before I left (getting rid of the delinquents and problem students aged 16-18). They really don't want things to get that bad.

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  176. this is just too fucked up.and sorry to say and i know,i'm generalizing but i can't help to think that bullying is a trait that is so ingrained to the core in their society (by correlating this and k-netizens comments) yes.maybe other society has bullies too.but damn.this is too fucked up.i'm utterly speechless.

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  177. I'm not rich, my dad isn't rich though he's he's not poor either, and I get no money from him, I pay for all my expenses myself and I'm not allowed a scholarship for stupid reasons. There are lots more people like me. The state has been really good at finding small technicalities to not give scholarships.

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  178. :( one of the k netizens i know goes to Shindongshin, not a safe school even if you're in a clique they will still beat you up, if you they are picking on a specific person and you defend them the iljins will find you after school and gain up on you so being a by standard is the only thing you can do.


    i've heard of Chungryang plenty of times from what i know most people there just don't care are in school to be social and make their parents happy

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  179. i don't think chunji was a iljin. he was actually a transfer student. he attended gwangju high school originally, but transferred to sungji because he needed to attend a school in seoul for teen top activities. not sure why out of all schools he chose a famous iljin school though...maybe easier graduation requirements? or it was close to his company building? idk

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  180. True, bad parenting tends to fill up quite a lot of cases from what I hear regarding iljins though on the other hand, influence from some of the more nastier iljins - particularly sunbaes or those with heavy 'backup' is just as much to blame for i.e. kids who actually engage in criminal activity just like their parents.


    While I do agree with you that the 'lesser' ones do need student counselling and assistance from the government or even the local authorities, some are sickly beyond any form of change that are better off being locked up in jail.

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  181. this doesn't mean any country is better than any other one.... every country has bad schools. korea's education system is flawed, yes, but it doesn't mean it's a terrible country.

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  182. Everytime I read about this kind of things in Korean school, I feel lucky that I went to schools where violence is not tolerated.
    In my school, there were still mischievous students who would cause some troubles but the school will surely punish them depending on how serious their actions are. They will be either sent to principal's/director's office and get suspended for 2 days or more. Some will have to do community service. And I remember I had a classmate and his punishment was to do a public apology in front of the entire school, he never caused trouble again because of embarrassment.

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  183. Sorry for riding..... I know this is about Korean worst schools but c'mon, we live in America. Our schools are way, way worst!! Girls and guys smoking in the bathroom, having sex in locker rooms, skipping school, coming to school high or doped up, high school shootings, gang related fights, and even students dealing drugs inside of the school. I know, I grew p in the ghetto and I was one of the students who bought drugs from gang members. Yah, sad past.

    Anyways, I don't think having tattoos, piercing or coloring your hair is a big deal because it is a way to express one self. But then again, this is Asia were talking about, not just Korea. All asian schools are strict with these kind of things. I had a teacher who taught in Japan for five year before she came to my school. She said that in Japan, the girls weren't allow to have more than one piercing on each ear, black hair, no dark finger nail polish or dark makeup. As for the boys, no hair coloring, hair cannot pass your ears or hair, shirt must be tucked in at all times, and no piercings.

    Anyways, just wanted to babble about this. But just because someone went or goes to a bad school, it does not make them bad. I knew plenty of students who did well and who avoided drugs, gangs, and all that bad junk. True fact.

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  184. .~: Pretty Plastic Boom :~.March 29, 2013 at 12:01 AM

    I think I saw Soyu and Dasom while I attended Ansan Industrial High Schoo

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  185. Remember uour minister caught watching naked girl on his phone?...which school did he come from?????

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  186. well mine is better, and i doubt other countries have 'iljin' shits. i mean seriously, if you had this problem that means there is something severely wrong with your society/community. this is ridiculous, and the worst part is they can even put ranking and treat it like exclusive Olympic games or something. this got me thinking that they arent even trying to solve the problem. By they, i mean the adults

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  187. wait what rumors? please fill me in

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  188. I'm living in Asia. Sadly, the schools in Asia seems to be too stressful. We care too much about being the top in school and basically scoring. Ever felt like dying because of a B in your result slip cause it's gonna bring down your overall grades? All they cares about is the grade. Even my lecturers and professors emphasis about passing with distinctions.In asia, it's not about learning.. It's all about scoring.

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  189. wow the boy's words are painful :'(
    those schoools are mess tho lmaooo

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  190. lol i would kill so i could be a French...
    try to live in my country for a month

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  191. Strange, when I was at Japan, I saw a lot of students who had plenty of piercings, makeup, bleached hair, various hair lengths etc - and this was almost commonplace.


    Then again, I also saw groups of students who fitted the descriptions you gave too. I suppose it really depends on schools though for one thing, I'm downright positive that Japan is not as strict as Korea is when it comes to rules regarding personal appearance.

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  192. Sad...the educational system is only helping...in Asia you don't move classes, you stay in that same class with the same people for the entire day. You cannot have a life outside of school because you're either doing homework or study because they have so many fucking classes. Bullying and suicide really affect me and if in the future I could help in anyway I would in a heartbeat. I really want to fuck those people up as horrible as that sounds but who else is going to? The 'adults' are pussies. It's gone long enough, hope it becomes an ever bigger issue soon along with rape. This is not good enough for a country that's currently flourishing.

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  193. Oh this was way back in middle school. I think I was still 12 years old around that time so 2002 was the year my teacher came from Japan and taught at our school.

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