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Article: E-Sens explains, "My diss wasn't towards a specific person... I just didn't like hip hop being portrayed that way"
Source: OSEN via Nate
1. [+443, -163] I totally understand where he's coming from... Just because the Brave Brothers say uh huh uh huh yoyoyo, that doesn't make it hip hop;
2. [+318, -78] First and foremost, it's the journalists' fault for exaggerating what E-Sens said and it's also E-Sens' fault for saying things in a way that can bring about misunderstandings. But I do think it's wrong for these gagmen to release songs purely to get in on the hip hop charts. There needs to be a level of respect shown towards each of their charts.
3. [+330, -106] I don't like it as well when gagmen release albums just because they get a bit popular. Their jokes are only funny when it's a gag, there's no reason to release albums out of them. I think it's time that managers start managing celebrity Twitter accounts. These people are tweeting their careers to the ground.
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Article: Jung Jun Ha responds to E-Sens' diss, "We're all friends... let's laugh together"
Source: TV Daily via Nate
1. [+443, -82] There are a lot of hip hop musicians that seem to be living in their own hip hop bubbles. Hip hop can surely be used as gag material, no need to get so defensive saying that their professions are being mocked... In a world where we're even doing voice imitations of the president, what makes hip hop musicians so special?
2. [+414, -69] Going by E-Sens' logic, then gagmen should be pissed with Supreme Team as well since Simon D got his name out there through variety shows and gags. Supreme Team did way better after that.
3. [+371, -127] Jung Jun Ha hyung seems to have a really nice heart judging by his response to this
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I read the tweet, and it's obvious he's referring to the way the comedians portray the hip-hop scene, it's in a completely stereotypical manner. So I understand it in that retrospect. Not everybody wears big ass chains or says "yo" in hip-hop, but gags act like that and when I'm watching it, I feel like they're trying to make it seem dumb. But that's just my opinion.
ReplyDeleteKorea doesn't have proper representation for hip-hop on a mainstream level. I don't care how many times the fans say it or YG says it, his company IS NOT a hip-hop company. His artists ARE NOT hip-hop artists - sure he had jinusean and masta wu but thats over. 2NE1 IS NOT hip hop. Big Bang IS NOT hip-hop. They just take the image and use it then call themselves hip-hop artists. I'm sorry but wearing street clothes does not make you hip-hop. They can try all they want, but at the end of the day, it's obvious they are mimicking American hip-hop artists style but producing pop music for the mainstream. The only company that represents it is jungle entertainment, then you have the movement. But beside them, Korea has no rep in the mainstream media instead of the people who fucking copy what they see on TV thinking its cool. So Korea thinks its all "Yo yo yo hip hop swag its dope" because that's the shit people like GD do, and it's sad because that's not what hip-hop is about. I feel for E-sens and other hip hop artists who are irritated by this shit because everyone keeps calling shit thats not hip-hop, hip-hop.
ReplyDeleteIf Koreans are the ones who think "yo yo whatever" is hip hop and international fans are so smart and know what real hip hop is then why so many YG international stans keep saying Big Bang and 2ne1 are hip hop?
ReplyDeleteHypoctrite...
If Koreans are the ones who think "yo yo whatever" is hip hop and international fans are so smart and know what real hip hop is then why so many YG international stans keep saying Big Bang and 2ne1 are hip hop?
ReplyDeleteHypoctrite...
Lol. I'm sorry where's the hypocritical part of my statement? I don't see one. I don't consider BB and 2NE1 hip hop, and I'm an international fan. So...where? Do you even know the definition of hypocrite? I mean, you can't even spell it correctly. People who listen to hip-hop don't call YG hip-hop, I know plenty of VIPs who love Big Bang but don't consider them hip-hop at all. And the people who do call them "hip-hop" but never listen to hip-hop only call them that because it's YG's self-proclaimed title. Since YG calls himself hip-hop, fans who don't know shit call him hip-hop. And that's a lot of people considering Asia as a whole doesn't completely understand hip-hop. And besides, I never said international fans know everything, you assumed that through your butthurt anger.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteBut even though wearing the hip-hop clothes doesn't make you hip-hop, it is part of hip-hop culture.
And don't use GD's One of a Kind as an example. Please. I don't know anyone who took it seriously. I considered it a satire.
I don't know about 2NE1, but those saying that BIGBANG is "hip-hop" are stuck in BIGBANG's debut days. They haven't done any hip-hop crap since what, 2008? 09?
ReplyDeleteyou say that nobody in Korea knows what real hip hop is but then you say you feel sorry for E-sens
ReplyDeletehello!!!!!!! E-sens is Korean too
I know you hate international fans and I shouldn't reply to this but I will say the international fans who call YG hip-hop have no idea what real hip-hop is.
ReplyDeleteI'm team E-Sens. He wasn't rude about stating his opinion and his words are true. Happy to see this here because I sort of thought it wouldn't be posted (as Supreme Team aren't K-Pop and E-Sens appears to be the least popular of the duo (at least with international fans)).
ReplyDeleteWow. Are you that dumb? I was talking about the Korean public in general and if you're going to quote me, quote me correctly. I did NOT say nobody in Korea knows what real hip-hop is. Please get away with that dumbassedness.
ReplyDeleteReally? Because I lost count of how many people said "This is real hip-hop" "Told you GD did hip-hop" -
ReplyDelete"So Korea thinks its all "Yo yo yo hip hop swag its dope"
ReplyDeleteLol. And you said I said "Nobody in Korea" that's not what I said. I'm speaking about Korea in general, of course there are people in Korea who know about hip-hop, but Korea doesn't understand it completely because it's not represented in the public. If you have a brain, please use it from now on.
ReplyDeletewho the heck does this guy think he is? hip hop belongs to the blacks and if anyone in korea knows hip hop it would be YG. thats why all the black rappers in US wanna work with YG, cuz they know real hip hop. i never heard anyone famous wanna work with these unknown hip hop wannabes like supreme team haha this dude need to stfu acting as if he knows hip hop lol
ReplyDeleteYou don't even have to look at GD's one of a kind, tbh. Just look at his speech and the shit he says on Twitter, "DOPPEEE." "SWAGG" "MAYNEE"
ReplyDeleteI feel like I'm looking at a prospect for YMCM when I see GD now. And Taeyang as well.
Obvious troll is obvious.
ReplyDeleteRight. If anyone knows how to completely copy black rappers in the US while making shit that is not hip-hop at all, it's YG. Obviously, YG knows real hip-hop is that electro bullshit. And the plethora of black rappers (aka Ludacris) is crazy, especially considering he's using Big Bang for promotion of his headphones, not just that he "wanted to work with them"... :P
ReplyDeletekinda agree with comment #2 in the 2nd article...
ReplyDeleteyou're using hypocrite words in every of your comment, at least spell it right
ReplyDeleteGD says his life revolves around the word "gangster" it's safe to so we shouldn't take him himself seriously.
ReplyDeletewoah, hang on there... at which point did the original commentor generalize international fans as knowledgeable and koreans as ignorant of hip hop culture? It's obvious the orig comment was calling out all those with a superficial understanding of rap/ hip hop regardless of nationality or race. No need to go around accusing ppl of hypocrisy when there isn't any to begin with
ReplyDeleteI know this is like totally off topic, but why are you always so butthurt...especially towards international fans?
ReplyDeleteOhh you almost got me there! Good luck you're just being sarcastic!
ReplyDeleteWell said.
ReplyDeleteBut if I may also add E-sen's company, Amoeba, to your list other than Jungle.
I completely agree with E-sens. It's so lame for them to use their status to make lame shit like that and expect people to eat it up. Parodies and stuff are okay, but if they don't even give a shit about the music industry or rap, then wtf are they doing releasing a rap song. Especially when there are so many rappers and hip-hop artists trying to make a name for themselves only to see these gagmen make it to the top of the charts with a half-assed effort. It's like Kim Kardashian getting a record deal and putting out a song simply because she is kim kardashian and famous, despite the fact she can't sing. It's just wrong imo... this shit seems to be a problem everywhere tbh. I don't think it would be as big a problem if the market for hip-hop wasn't SO small in Korea.
ReplyDeleteYESSS! YG's attempt at "hip-hop" just seems awful compared to actual korean hip hop artists in Korea like Kebee, the quiett, crucial star etc.
ReplyDeleteSimply because YG is the more mainstream and generic, at the end of the day it's artists are the ones with the fans and money.
those silly kpop fans saying that are not even fans of hip hop.. i can assure you like 90% of kpop fans hate american music and hip hop in general but yet they say everything in kpop is amazing and flawless
ReplyDeleteThe real Hiphop under YG = 1TYM, JinuSean, MastaWu, Perry, Epik High and YG himself
ReplyDelete2NE1 is a combination of electro + hiphop mainstream + r&b
BIGBANG i don't know
The beginning of YG is the real Hiphop = there are lots of underground artist back then like perry, mastawu etc, their mainstream hiphop = 1tym and jinusean BUT
ReplyDeletewhen bigbang came, their hiphop transform to pop
Huh? 2NE1's base is hiphop, addded electro and r&b feel = electrohop + r&b
ReplyDeleteBigbang is not hiphop at all. they started with hiphop but in the end it became pop
The 1st generation of YG is mainly hiphop = without the idols like BB
ReplyDeleteIn BB's defense, they were almost hip hip back when they debuted, but then they realized that shit doesn't sell, and now we have all these VIP fantards running around thinking they're so edgy and "swag" just because they stan YG's brand of pseudo-hip hop or whatever it is.
ReplyDeleteRespect to E-Sens for sticking to his word. That whole yoyoyoyooswagbitchez view of hip hop is pretty prevelant everywhere, and lots of people don't respect it as art or even a legitimate genre of music.
I'm sorry, but there's nothing Hip-Hop about 2NE1.
ReplyDeleteI would call it faux-gangsta.
ReplyDeletePlease don't include Epik High in the travesty that is YG. They are their own entity separate from YG - or they were before they started digging in Big Bangs closet for thrown out songs.
ReplyDeleteJinusean is over, MastaWu & Perry don't do shit anymore and Lexy left.
YG sold out, and now he's greedy hence the "I'm going to dress hip-hop and call myself hip-hop but my music is far from it" YG we have now.
YOLO.
ReplyDeleteOkay I've never seen YG refer to his company as hip hop. I do however see dumbass I-fans calling YG hip hop. Ugh the least he could do is get Teddy's ass to change 2NE1's sound.
ReplyDeleteOh YG has referred to his company as a hip-hop company. Even talking about the nugu group he's going to debut, "YG's hip-hop" sound.
ReplyDeleteWell GD called himself during 2nd solo rpmotion as POP Singer, he would have called HIP HOP then ? But NO. He didn't
DeleteHe was well aware that Bigbang is doing popusic with many genres mix together : hip hop, r&b , rock, electro.
VIPs knew a ling long ago jow Bigbang was no longer considered as hip hop artist. Probably they never were and never will be. Just fusion hip pop I could say about them though.
No shit, sherlock.
ReplyDeleteAs both a YG fan and a hip hop fan I just have to roll my eyes every time someone brings this up. YG has not been hip hop for years. I have never considered them ~hip hop~ and I probably never will. They are merely pop with a heavy hip hop/r&b base. Which btw is not a new concept at all. It's basically what commercialized "hip hop" has become in the U.S anyways (with very few exceptions). As for the misrepresentation of hip hop culture, well that's basically always been there and it's not a Korea exclusive. It's not GD's fault that for some reason people prefer to listen to non-substantial but endlessly fun music with an uptempo and glistening visuals. E-sens and Tiger JK and the whole k-hip hop crew should just do them. Realize that that hip hop in its pure form doesn't have mass appeal but they enjoy doing it anyways so that's the rewarding part. No one is taking credit away from them.
Agreed !
DeleteInternational fans don't know /shit/ either. It's best to assume most people are just grossly uneducated when it comes to hip hop/hip hop culture. I live in Americuh and majority ppl here still think hip hop is "yo yo gun boobs sex gangSTAH". I really don't know where anon was getting at, acting like Americuh knew so much better LOL.
ReplyDeletetheir base is hip hop. like it's not that difficult. Hia Tus is not saying 2NE1 is muthafuckin 2pac. their music is just very uptempo and rhythmic with heavy base ---> hence hip hop based.
ReplyDeleteI didn't think she was saying they were 2pac, I'm saying there's nothing hip-hop about their music. Shit, so if I make a dubstep song with a heavy base it's hip-hop based? GTFOutta here. 2NE1 is about as Hip-Hop as Katy Perry. Just because CL does her little wannabe ass rapping occasionally, and they were urban clothes on occasion that doesn't make them hip hop.
ReplyDeleteYou mad tho?
ReplyDeleteAnd its people like GD that fuck up the image some more because Koreans who have no knowledge of hip-hop thinks that's what it is. At least in other areas they have knowledge of hip-hops true form before the commercialization, Korea doesn't have that luxury because hip-hop never got that big. Tiger Jk and E-sens try to do substantial music because it's a respect for the art form itself that they have, not just some "Oh I thought they looked cool so I decided to become a rapper" shit. And Egh isn't talking about taking credit, but misplacing the hip-hop name on shit that doesn't belong under the label.
Because they weren't acting like America is better...? You guys are making it seem that way. All they were saying it Korea has such a lax knowledge of hip-hop because their is no proper representation. You guys are getting your panties in a twist talking about how they are acting like int'l fans are so much smarter when she didn't even saying anything about int'l fans.
ReplyDeleteI thought OOAK was so much fun. Like Crayon is just the dumbest fucking song I ever heard but i'll be damned if I don't occasionally try to go ham on that shit. And when you hear it live... oh my lawd the live. It's perfect. The music video for One of A Kind... so wrong... yet so right. I Loved It. The thing with GD is he knows when not to take himself too seriously. He doesn't rap about living in the Korean ghettos and the Struggle/Hustle. He knows how the public perceives him and he just uses that to his advantage to do whatever the fuck he wants. And everything is over-exaggerated and OMG-what-was-he-thinking but nothing hurts. Oh yess. Nothing hurts.
ReplyDeleteLOL. It's not like GD could rap about ghettos or struggles, he was just a little boy who thought rapping was cool so he decided to become a rapper. There was nothing more to it than that, no "This is my release because my life is shit" he did it because he thought it looked cool, so him rapping about ghettos would be as ridicilous as him saying "My life is centered around the word gangster" when we know aint nothing gangster about that boy in his milli vanilli braids.
ReplyDeleteLOL if you think majority of Americans have any idea what hip hop is either. Few remember what hip hop was before its commercialization because unless you were living in a diverse urban area, you just were not exposed to it. Unfortunately most Americans think it's only about sex butts drugs and being Gangstah. Altho I do see growing popularity in the hipster population in trying to educate themselves more on 90s and pre 90s hip hop which is cool I guess.
ReplyDeleteIt's great that Tiger JK and E-sens are emulating hip hop in its truest form. But that doesn't mean other artists can't interpret it in any way they want. Hip Hop is music after all. Music grows and changes w/e that's how hip hop came to be in the first place.
No, I'm not mad. I just... idg why/how people compare YGE to k-hip hop constantly. Like, they are totally different entities. And it's established that majority k-hip hop artists are zillions of times better than YG's lite version of rappers. Kpop fans will always be kpop fans and say dumb shit anyways. So why does k-hip hop even bother anymore with YGE and it's fanclubs?
LOL well then. If you don't hear it that's good for you. IMO it's pretty obvious. Katy Perry doesn't have a hip hop base at all; also pretty obvious. If you were to compare 2NE1's sound with American artist they'd be a pseudo mix of Rhianna and BEP. Not hip hop, it's hip hop ~>//BASED//<~.
ReplyDeleteNo. I'm just not smoking the pipe 2NE1 and Teddy are handing out. I don't care how many times they say it, there's nothing hip-hop about their music. It's pop. And of course, they rip off Rihanna like no tomorrow, esp. CL.
ReplyDeleteI live in America. America does not have a firm grasp on hip hop culture.... Their views are rather like Korea's: lower class, vulgar, violent, not appropriate for kids, too much sex, blah blah blah. Especially the older generation and white peoples who live in suburban areas (so basically the majority of america). It's not like America doesn't have extremely popular GDragons in abundance either
ReplyDeleteGuess what dude, I live in America too, so you're not in some special know it all club because you live here. America does have a firmer grasp because a lot of people, even white folk, know the difference between true hip-hop and the shit that's played on the radio.So yes America does have a firm grasp on it, it may not be adored by the public, but the knowledge base is def. greater than most countries. And White people are becoming a minority in America now, so it's not the "majority of America" anymore. And Gdragon got his style from wannabe hip-hop rappers we got here, so of course the originals are going to be here.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Except a lot of established respected music publication have and would agree that their music is hip hop based. It's electro hip pop. I hope for your sake Rhianna and CL get married and rule the world and make their "EH EH EH EH" an official language.
ReplyDeleteI want to make love to this comment.
ReplyDeleteYeah, all those established and respected music publications that google them and read the shit people write. Those same publications that call them out for their Lady Gaga attempts and such.
ReplyDeleteSure, Idc if they get married. Might as well, CL keeps jocking her style - maybe Rihanna can teach her how to do it right at least.
Dude, do you know how big America is? It's 10x that of Korea, so just by ratio the knowledge in America already surpasses Korea especially considering it was CREATED IN AMERICA. And do you know how big Tupac was? Biggie? Even white kids were listening to them, and don't get me started about the days Eminem was at his prime. Please. They made a stamp on music and that's the basis everyone looks at. America is not this oblivious place you make it out to be, A LOT of people know what true hip-hop is. A lot of fucking people. America knows there shit. Maybe not int he podunk ass town you probably live in somewhere in Mississippi, but don't act like America has no knowledge about hip-hop, because they do.
ReplyDeletePeople do this because dumbasses like to call YG hip-hop, like Big Bang and YG himself, but they're not and the whole point of that paragraph by the og poster was to say that hip-hop is not properly represented in Korea. It went straight to the garbage of commercialized hip-hop we have here, so Korea has no knowledge of its culture because unlike America, hip-hop never had its chance.
And stop associating knowledge with acceptence. People can know all about hip-hop and still think it sucks.
It amazes me how pressed people are about YG. They weren't even mentioned in the article. If you know they're not "pure" hip hop then good for you . Why should you care what they do?
ReplyDeleteSo ppl like GD can't say those words?
ReplyDeleteOhkaay
(｀_´)ゞ THIS
ReplyDeleteOld story though, these ppl are everywhere (−_−＃)
YG is just a company
ReplyDeleteBigbang might built 'that' kind of image of YG
But BIGBANG is BIGBANG, epikhigh is epikhigh
GD makes his music, tablo make his own music and style
Tablo is a grown up, if his music is shit right now, then he should probably do better next time
Ps: since lies/haru haru BIGBANG didn't call their music as hip hop
I'm glad they(BIGBANG) did
ReplyDeletewow talk about a topic shift. ok so about the original post, i agree with esens. the problem is these comedians make a mockery out of hiphop rather than truly learn and present hiphop authentically. they wear these stupid ass braids and throw their yoyoyos around, that is the problem.
ReplyDelete...?
ReplyDeletewho's he dissing?
is he referring to gil and hyungdon's collaboration or something?
you didn't get what i mean
ReplyDeleteTeddy produced a song with an ELEMENT of hiphop not HIP HOP AS A WHOLE for 2NE1
I ONLY INCLUDED THE BEGINNINGS OF YG
ReplyDeleteLexy used to big way back
plus his new generation of artists = USE AN ELEMENT OF HIPHOP
basically their music right now is not just hiphop
I included Epik High because they are under YG
and set an example
BIGBANG started basic hiphop but after months they added r&B
so they produced another sound
they just used hiphop as another element
got it?
People said 1OAK was real hip-hop? o.O
ReplyDeleteEw.
Is that bad?
ReplyDeleteFuckcunt go stick your anus with a fatburger.
ReplyDeletelol gagmans parody everyone not only hip hop artist...so whiny..
ReplyDeletelol at all the YG mantions here XD YG is not hip hop, at least not anymore. Get over it.
ReplyDeleteWhat a boss.
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