This is just a direct translation of the Nate Pann post found here. It is the September edition of the popular girl group rankings that previously made its round in the media.
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SNSD
(No explanation necessary)
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Wonder Girls - 2NE1
(World tour level)
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SISTAR - KARA - f(x)
(SISTAR blew up in popularity!!)
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miss A
(=Suzy)
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Brown Eyed Girls - SECRET
(Nothing much, mid level)
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4minute - After School
(On the downfall)
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T-ara
(Bully group that's completely fallen to the pit)
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A Pink - Rainbow - Girl's Day
(Still rookies)
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Dal Shabet
(the Maginot Line)
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Etc
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2. [+231, -5] This isn't right. The rookies are higher level than T-ara. In character, that is.
3. [+225, -269] Why is 2NE1 up so high? KARA should take their place.
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I think sistar is more popular than f(x) or Kara in Korea now....
ReplyDeleteNah, sistar and f(x), they're pretty much on the same level. Digitally they're both doing great, but f(x) have the heads up on physical sales and individual popularity. Sistar is getting well known, but rn it's still sistar=hyorin, and bora is catching up too. I do hope that dasom and soyu(?) Will get their spotlight too tho, they're awesome. Kara on the other hand, they're doing well with the comeback but not as great as expected..
Delete^ I agree, but maybe I'm just seeing it in my (bias) point of view. Lol.
ReplyDeleteI'm actually surprised that WG is still up there....
I'm also surprised to see Rainbow. Whatever happened to them???
Rainbow still performing at gigs/events even though they don't have korean comeback.... I blame dsp, just because of kara success in japan, dsp thought rainbow has chance too and promoting them in japan as kara sister group....but nope, their sales not as good as kara, same with puretty and ajax.... Dsp should promote rainbow in korea more T.T
DeleteThe thing with dsp is, they seem to not have the ability of promoting more than one group at the same time. Like when kara is having their comeback, the focus is only on kara. Which is disappointing, knowing that dsp have been around the industry for as long as SM have. I think rainbow actually have potential to get big but dsp lost the momentum. Sigh.
DeleteLOL. The comment about 2NE1 got more negative votes than positive votes.
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WG does good digitally, people still like them.
SNSD is pretty much untouchable. Soshi <3
Ya I think Sistar is above f(x) now.
miss A = Suzy lol. So true.
sistar might be above kara and f(x) in korea... but kara has japan's success to boost them up while f(x) has the second best physical sales out of girl groups (they're second to snsd recently) and they also get to participate in smtown concerts outside of korea.
ReplyDeletebut it's puzzling why kara is on the 3rd level considering kara's japan success in comparison with 2ne1 or wg 'worldwide' success... kara at least is tangible and measurable regarding their popularity and sales.
Kara should be higher. WG have done nothing, whereas 2NE1 flopped anywhere outside of korea. This is ridiculous.
ReplyDeletemiss A =Suzy
ReplyDeleteHahaha, truest statement ever. I love Suzy though, so <3
I'm surprised to see Girl's Day up there at all, though.
And what is Maginot line supposed to mean?
one of the reasons of sistar's popularity is that they never leave! they promote song after song after song, f(x) promotes only once a year and do well both physically and digitally, they would be much more popular if they had at least 2 promotional cicles per year
ReplyDelete2NE1 flopped anywhere outside of Korea? Not really. They may not do too well with CD sales in Japan but they kick ass with concert ticket sales which is where the real money is at. With CD sales, the Japanese distribution company takes almost all of the profit and barely any is left for the Korean side. Artists make their money through CFs and performances. Anyway, 2NE1 is currently on their Japan tour and they've been selling out huge arenas so they're doing well income wise.
ReplyDelete^ Are they selling out the entire arena, or the annex? They do the same shit in Korea, say 2NE1 has sold out but they don't mention they only sold out the annex which is like 1/3 of the actual stadium.
ReplyDeleteNot the same person, but when I saw their JP concert footage months ago, they don't look like they're struggling (same with Shinee's concert) even though I hear keep hearing they aren't doing good sales wise.
DeleteThousands is still large, and with the right angles of course it looks packed. But 10, 000 is different than 30,000 or so. Its still a lot. And a lot of people who attend concerts are kpop fans who like big bang or other artists... like if a kpop artist were to come to America the main people they would attract would be kpop fans.. same premise. In comparison to Japans market size as well as population size, 2NE1 ain't doing so hot.
DeleteJapanese people love to go concert whether they are fans or not.... That's why even the groups don't have impressive cd sales, they still can do well with concert tickets sales...
Delete^ If I remember correctly the ticket prices weren't cheap... (don't quote me on this)
DeleteCopy paste for the anon below
"^ They're selling out whatever seats are available excluding the stage. Dara herself said that they had sold out shows and even uploaded proof shots of the audience on me2day. On the Osaka stop alone, they had 12,000 people x 3 shows = 36,000 and they have a total of 9 stops for their Japan arena tour. The point is, 2NE1 may not do too good with CD sales but they aren't totally "flopping" in Japan income wise. They're doing well for themselves."
They were handing out free tickets to random people around the streets near the concert place, eventhough the ticket prices have been cut down to more than half the actual price because it won't sell..
DeleteK?
DeleteKorea give Rainbow & Spica more love, please. Secret seems to be gaining more steam this time around?
ReplyDeleteSo happy to see SISTAR up there. 2nd tier girl group.
ReplyDeleteThe underdog group that proved people wrong about their capabilities and potential.
^ They're selling out whatever seats are available excluding the stage. Dara herself said that they had sold out shows and even uploaded proof shots of the audience on me2day. On the Osaka stop alone, they had 12,000 people x 3 shows = 36,000 and they have a total of 9 stops for their Japan arena tour. The point is, 2NE1 may not do too good with CD sales but they aren't totally "flopping" in Japan income wise. They're doing well for themselves.
ReplyDeleteYou don't understand. Its not what seats are available but how many they make available and by what you just said, they obvs only sell out the annex. They are flopping CD wise. No one wants to buy their music and they are flopping in an actual fanbase, but as someone said above, Japanese people like to go to concerts
DeleteDon't most j-idols make money through ringtones+music video sales? Meanwhile k-pop vids are free on YT (thank Zeus) and you can watch them in HD for free, but for PVs you can only see the short version (with handful of exceptions).
DeleteT-ara should be higher. they've done surprisingly quite well despite the controversy. however... WG should be lower and i agree 2NE1 should be lower too
ReplyDeleteat the very least... seems to me Sistar would probably replace WG and be on same level or higher than 2NE1 and f(x) should also be higher than KARA as i'm sure f(x) did far better in sales and everything than Kara did with their amazing E-Shock
My gurr's day are so low... oh well ;~;
ReplyDeleteI guess people have forgotten how hard 2NE1 slays since they haven't made a proper comeback in while... come October I'm sure everyone will remember why they are A++ level :P
ReplyDelete2NE1 slays when there is no big names in the line up. They have good digitals, but that's it. They didnt win any mutizens this time around because Super Junior was there, and even then, their song dropped from number on gaon 1 like a week and a half later. Even sistar managed to stay higher than 2NE1 and they made their comeback earlier. If SNSD makes their comeback in October, I doubt 2NE1 will be slaying much anyway.
DeleteWhat are you saying? 2NE1 won against Super Junior, SHINee, SNSD, 2PM and IU during their rookie days. Those groups aren't big names? 2NE1 didn't win with I Love You because they have no album sales. Sistar promoted their song well whereas 2NE1 didn't really.
DeleteHmm 2ne1 not wins cuz they don't hv any phsycall album, +they kinda lack in promotion
DeleteUsually when a group making a comeback they promoting in every music programs and variety shows
2ne1 just perform on inkigayo, and 1 time in mcountdown, they hv a very short promotion, and no variety shows at all
2ne1 has facing with a big name before, idk when u get into kpop?!
And for facing with snsd, 2ne1 alr facing with snsd on their rookie days "I don't care" vs "genie" that time and if I'm not wrong 2ne1 win againts them...
snsd is so POPULAR in korea, I'm pretty sure whoever againts snsd is know that snsd will win
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ReplyDeleteThat's where they should be though. At the bottom where they belong with Flopday and NuguPink, tbh.
@Anonymous 12:50 AM
ReplyDeleteRegarding Sistar's success, you should read this article.
IS SISTAR'S ENTIRE CAREER FABRICATED?
http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/9626708.html
Seen it.
DeleteBut contrary to belief, a lot of people actually liked alone which came way before their other song, so their career wasn't as "fabricated" as people say, also with the new song as well. Either way, doesnt change the fact that their sucess wasn't long lasting.
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ReplyDeleteAccording to the Top 100 Individual Gallup Ranking Poll that came out last month, it very supports SISTAR's explosive popularity this year. All 4 members ranked in there, say compared to miss A only Suzy and Jia, and 4minute with Hyuna.
There are other factual things that supports their success, and a one rumor should be able to discredit everything? LMAO
DSP is wasting Rainbow, if they get a few good songs they can be as big as T-ara in before the bullying scandal.
ReplyDeletebut selling tickets in tours in japan is not really a big thing though... japan really buys tickets for live tours/concert tours that even indie artists/not really popular artists would have tours or such. an average japanese person would go to as much as 10 concerts/lives in a span of two weeks... even boyfriend, the boss/dgna, b1a4, girl's day, secret, after school had tours or any such thing in japan.
ReplyDeletedoubtful 2ne1 really did sell out large concert venues too... their last tour had a controversy where it was announced a certain venue was sold out and then the ebay equivalent in japan was selling the tickets super cheap right? second time around, they would have learned their lesson and booked smaller venues.
if lives is 2ne1's excuse for ranking high then all the more reason for kara too - kara had a concert tour recently in japan plus a scheduled asian tour.
ANON @ 12:50
ReplyDeleteAre you sure because I remember a bunch of Super Junior fans being butthurt when 2NE1 won a mutizen over them last year lol. Anyway I'm 100% sure Super Junior and 2NE1 were promoting at the same time last year too. And "I Am The Best","Lonely", and "Don't Cry" still charted better and were memorable than whatever Super Junior released (I don't even remember). Heck "I Am The Best" is easily one of the most memorable kpop songs of 2011.
2NE1's I Love You promos were really half-assed if you couldn't tell. That's why I said you guys should wait until they have /proper/ promotions. And I'm sorry stop kidding yourself, there's no way sistar surpassed 2NE1. 2NE1 is very strong digitally too but they have a strong fanbase to back them up and OK physical sales (both which sistar doesn't have). Kara's whole success is in Japan. 2NE1 is a logical 2nd. They have the Daesangs and large intl fandom to prove it. Bye~~ (:
regarding sistar's "fabricated career' controversy... why can't people understand that that theory may have some truth to it?
ReplyDeleteprior to alone, most of sistar's songs are said to be digital sellers despite sistar not being really popular/ sistar not having a large fanbase/ and the songs itself not being recognized by the general public? those prior songs being called 'digital hits' despite people (general public, not sistar fans) not really knowing them put sistar in the map. attention, recognition, popularity.
No offend or something but any korean group/solo doing concert on Japan always full show no matter how popular they are...so maybe we should count on cd sales..
ReplyDeleteI think KARA place is too low for them, WG didn't really explode on US and of course not in Japan...but I do admit 2NE1 coz their music easier to accept in US...
Sistar do have explode popularity this year but still I don't think they in KARA level yet...but even KARA acknowledge Sistar as their rival
ReplyDeleteSOSHI indeed untouchable ^^ -my SONE feelings :D-
ReplyDeleteSISTAR indeed in the rising of popularity now. their popularity is everywhere in Korea but i do agree that the reason is because they keep promoting... public love them thus lead to Loving You stay on the charts for quite some time now though it already been released for so long ^^
good future for Sistar :D
agree on the comment, "T-ara is too high" ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹ã…‹
"2NE1 slays when there is no big names in the line up. They have good digitals, but that's it. They didnt win any mutizens this time around because Super Junior was there, and even then, their song dropped from number on gaon 1 like a week and a half later. Even sistar managed to stay higher than 2NE1 and they made their comeback earlier. If SNSD makes their comeback in October, I doubt 2NE1 will be slaying much anyway."
ReplyDeleteLOL what is this logic? Mutizens mean jackshit since YG is boycotting xxBank and right when 2NE1 came back Inkigayo removed their mutizen. Of course Super Junior would win...they had Album sales to back them up! All 2NE1 released was a digital which means, No appearance score + no album score.
Your argument became invalid right when you said ~no big names~ then followed with Super Junior? lol wtf was that honestly...? LMAO
@1:24 AM
ReplyDeleteWhy can't international fans stop underestimating this underdog group. You guys don't live in Korea so you wouldn't know how often heard their songs were played in Korea.
Their debut song Push Push was pretty played often in the streets of Seoul and parodied by other celebrities namely Kwanghee and Jokwon. I would love to pull the fact that their 3 singles in 2010 ranked within the top 100 of Gaon year end chart but since it's a digital chart it's not a legit support with this accusation no?
So what other proofs are there, exactly the same as people like you doubting this just based on netizens speculations.
Netizens that don't go out often enough I bet you, because I hear often from people in Korea, one of my penpals there, that they have been hearing a lot of SISTAR's song played.
^The only female singers that decent physical sales is IU and snsd, the rest are embarrassing, that male rookie groups sell more.
ReplyDeleteand f(x) 70,000+ for electric shock and hot summer is still charting (52,739+ and add danger to that it would be over 124,000+).
Delete^ LOL what appearance score?!
ReplyDeleteYou guys are putting way too much focus on Japan. I mean SHINee is said to be doing better than Big Bang in Japan does that mean SHINee is more popular than Big Bang overall? (nope)
ReplyDeleteThis is what you are doing by comparing Kara and 2NE1's popularity. 2NE1 is still more widely recognized than Kara even if Kara is doing better in Japan. 2NE1's fandom is bigger and their songs are more widely recognized in Korea AND they are at the front of Hallyu wave (along with Big Bang,SNSD,and Super Junior) in the West/Asia.
As for Sistar, they are where T-ara used to be before their unfortunate fall. (amazing digital sales; small-ish fandom;popularity not yet established) Therefore they can't be ahead of 2NE1.
To 1:13AM - For concerts, tickets are put on sale and people buy them full price. Some resellers put the tickets on auction hoping to sell them for higher but sometimes fail and the tickets end up selling cheap. Nevertheless, Avex and YG can claim sold out because they were able to sell the tickets full price even though resellers lost money. Last year's tour was before 2NE1 debuted properly so after doing some promo, they doubled their capacity compared to last year. 2NE1 has managed to fill the venues so they did the right thing. They didn't have to learn any lessons.
ReplyDelete^ Bigbang is all talk no results, shinee have sold more in Japan and have performed to more people even though commencing their tours years later. Bigbang being popular is a myth.
ReplyDeletei'm sorry to ask but why SNSD is S? can someone tell me what is it ab? i'm not gd in Eng. thank!
ReplyDeletewhat concert venues are 2ne1 even performing in anyway? japan has annex venues too, a smallish venue usually used by not so popular artists located adjacent to bigger venues.
ReplyDeleteT-ara had more people in their Japan tour than the total of 2ne1s world tour, so that says a lot about their popularity world wide.
ReplyDeleteIf you compare the fancams from kara and snsds Japan concerts you can tell that 2ne1 are using the annex for their concerts(capacity<7000)
ReplyDeleteJust wait until YG get their asses and make a properly comeback for 2ne1 in october *sigh*
ReplyDeleteI don't think why kara should be higher than 2ne1?! Just cuz they selling out well in japan?! Or what???!
I think even in korea itself they not doing pretty well in charts,
Even secret and orange caramel is still better on charts @ first release
^ That's not true. T-ara's total audience is lower than 2NE1's this year however this is T-ara's first tour and 2NE1's second year. Just stating the facts. T-ara is planning a larger scaled tour for 2013 though.
ReplyDeleteexcept big bang and 2ne1 so-called popularity is only perpetuated by their fans... bigger international fanbase? what actual numbers? more recognized songs? what evidences?
ReplyDeletekara's achievement in japan is transparent in both sales and popularity. and the same can not be said on 2ne1's worldwide success. if anything, wg and 2ne1 ranking above f(x), kara,and sistar is largely due to belonging in jyp/yg. and for wg at least, their past achievements in korea.
If thay is your logic then f(x) should be ranked together with WG and 2NE1 for belonging in SM.
Deleteexcept f(x) dont have the hype that 2ne1 and wg have.
DeleteDoesn't matter what netizens say or how much they complain, T-ara is still a top girl group. They are going to have a sold out concert in Hong Kong in two days. Netizens must be so butthurt right now. :)
ReplyDeleteWowowow at people who think Kara doesn't deserve the ranking. Putting their success in Japan aside, they're the only girl group (other than SNSD) to have more than 100K physical sales at Korea with only an album (STEP) last year. THis year, PANDORA have more than 40K sales for just 9 days of charting. And their digital sales are decent too, of course it's on on 'national girl group' level, but it did really well compared to most of the boys groups. Or should I mention the 4th ranking in the Forbes top 40 most influential last year?
ReplyDelete@anon 1:50 I agree karas achievements have been consistently supported with evidence ( sales numbers, concert attendance), which are harder to manipulate than awards that are based on fan votes, and it's been reported on this site that YG is no stranger to media play, producing the illusion of success for their groups.
ReplyDeleteAnd oh why people suddenly talk about japan when this is freaking a girl group ranking in KOREA?!
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YG artist is not doing well in japan, that's why they still promoting hard in japan, they're even attend more variety shows, radios etc in japan than in korea
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snsd's S is probably for superior...
ReplyDeletekind of interesting what the boy group's ranking would be like... there's no boy group to date that has achieved similar to snsd's status in korea so it's highly likely there won't be an S level for them...
^ if this is only korea, why is 2ne1 and wg ranking high for their so-called 'worldwide' success then? so activities outside of korea should count as long as it's not in japan?
ReplyDeleteAnon(s) at 1:41 and 1:50
ReplyDeleteLOL okay at you trying to deny Big Bang and 2NE1's popularity. Oh yeah it's ALL a myth. Like are you for real right now? Hahaha. You know damn well Big Bang,2NE1,SNSD, and Super Junior are hands down the most popular kpop groups as of right now. Like I'm not gonna waste my time explaining to you something you are pretending to be ignorant about. You just sit tight and watch Big Bang and 2NE1 enjoy their mythical popularity and increase their mythical net worths while becoming some of Asia's biggest [mythical] mega groups.
^ Big Bang is probably the closest to their equivalent for male groups. That's why SNSD and BB are called national status.
ReplyDelete^ big bang may be the highest in boy groups... but they are in no way the same status as snsd.
ReplyDeleteand with big bang's never ending controversies recently, it's doubtful korea at large would still consider them national boy group status.
to ppl living in korea, i wonder why snsd is loved, is it because of their songs or is it because they are pretty? i'm curious not hating
ReplyDeleteSnsd and Bigbang have similar achievements that both should be proud of, it's the the time frame that snsd got most of their achievements (2009-2011) that makes it hard to find a male equivalent.
ReplyDelete^ super junior has a fanbase in korea, but not really popular in the general public. sj is much more popular outside of korea than in korea.
ReplyDeletethere's a big difference between being popular having a large fanbase and being popular in the general public. most groups have one or the other, only a few have both.
^ @ anon 2:14, the reason from what I can tell for snsds status is that they have a mix of strong singers, dancers, variety. In terms of looks they're not bad looking either, whether they are the best looking is up to personal tastes.
ReplyDeleteit's not the time frame, it's achievements considering history...
ReplyDeletewhen snsd entered gallup ranking - they are the first GIRL group to do so. and the only IDOL groups that ever ranked throughout the years is H.O.T and g.o.d. this is an example that when using snsd's achievements as parameters of measurement, no other groups would come close.
^ thats true I read an article that listed the most influential people in Korea and snsd was up near the top along with politicians and CEOs.
ReplyDelete^ this means that other second generation idol groups (dbsk, big bang, wg) in the height of their popularity (pre-2009) never achieved the status that snsd achieved when snsd became popular.
ReplyDelete"except big bang and 2ne1 so-called popularity is only perpetuated by their fans... bigger international fanbase? what actual numbers? more recognized songs? what evidences?"
ReplyDeleteWow biggest conspiracy ever! lol
We can look at video views for both Big Bang and 2NE1 and the prominence of their fandoms in international kpop social media. (and right now you may say oh but fans refresh youtube etc! To which I will say ahh but their likes and comments are proportionate to their video views in comparison to other youtube videos so they are still getting a lot of unique views in comparison to most other kpop groups). International fandom will forever be intangible but we shall find out after their tours end and we'll have a better idea then! (:
"1:50 I agree karas achievements have been consistently supported with evidence ( sales numbers, concert attendance), which are harder to manipulate than awards that are based on fan votes, and it's been reported on this site that YG is no stranger to media play, producing the illusion of success for their groups."
Umm No. YG has never been caught for artificially inflating neither digital or physical sales for either BB or 2NE1. And yeah wow what an illusion! I mean it's not like Big Bang didn't just wrap up a 200000+ Japanese tour have already sold out 1 up coming dome concert leading them to add 2 additional dome concerts. It's not like they are the best selling group of 2012 as of right now if you add both digital and physical sales(yes, surpassing Super Junior). It's not like they are paid 1.5 million per advertising(freakin Bi Rain level at his peak, higher then any idol group even snsd). It's all an ~illusion~ omg. lmao There are no hard facts at all!!1!!11
As for 2NE1 ok tbh I don't keep up enough with them to have handy facts at my disposal rn. All I know is they are the digital queens, have been since debut. And no matter how mad you are right now they are ranked 2nd on this chart and were ranked 2nd on previous chart as well so I know some korean chingus are agreeing with that ranking and they know more about this stuff then both me and you.
^ MEDIA PLAY - read, comprehend.
ReplyDeleteDear lord yg stans...
ReplyDeleteWhy is Bigbang here it's a girl group ranking jfc.
ReplyDelete2ne1 is not slaying anymore, anon up above there. Their recent release is on the same level as t-ara day by day and sistar loving you. The 3 were really neck to neck on digital charts since all of them were released in the exact same week. In the end ilu didn't even have the same longetivity compare to sistar's song. Loving u is way up above ilu right now. And please cut it with the "they lack promotions, only single" reasons. Digital charts count nothing about performances on tv etc. And come on, knowing yg you must know that they hype everything to the maximum level, so saying that they lack promotion is just not right.
ReplyDelete^^^ They did tho? hahah. If you compare to last year, 2NE1 did not go half as hard this year. everything was rushed because of their tour. Plus it is harder to compete with albums, when you only have a digital single. And music bank DOES count TV-appearances on their programs. Also 2NE1 did beat sistar and t-ara to number 1 when they were 'neck-to-neck'. Loving you never even climbed to number one. OMFG lol why don't you wait till october then?
ReplyDeleteAlso jfc sistar's company was the one accused of media play, not YG. I think yall are confused because netz are saying YG is using media play to get rid of Seungri's scandal. But they don't realize by fucking commenting on every YG article, they're the ones making YG articles top articles. And then they ask where are all the seungri articles?? Well there aren't any new ones duhhh. The old ones are still there but less popular now. Conclusion: netizens are hella dumb and YG ain't doing shit except not talking about Seungri lol.
Wow how new are you to kpop? I'm talking about digital charts jfc. I'm not talking about music bank at all. I said they didn't slay on digital charts because they were on the same level with sistar and t-ara digital sales wise. Digital charts doesn't have tv performances as their source of points.. Also, digital single and digital album have different charts. Idk whether t-ara or sistar released their single as part of album or not, but even if they were part of album, the one that was compared to 2ne1's ilu is the title track, not the whole album. So it's still 2ne1single vs t-ara single vs sistar single. Do you get it now? 2ne1 barely tops sistar and t-ara with ilu and fo the next weeks after that ilu dropped further while sistar's song maintain their higher spot even until today. Check instiz if you're too lazy to check on melon, mnet, olleh etc one by one. And why are you telling people to wait until october when the things that are being compared are the ones that have been released months ago?? Jfc. Jsyk, yg is as well known as other companies with their media play..
DeleteYg stans.... Smh....
ReplyDeleteSistar is really gaining popularity nowadays =)
Ppl tend to underestimate Kara's popularity in Korea... maybe it is because their fandom is too laid back n does not shove kara in ur face at every opportunity... But their step album did well last year n they are doing quite well with pandora now...
Regardless of how you feel about T-ara, their song is still selling... more than 4minute, Secret, Brown Eyed Girls, After School... so why are they lower?
ReplyDeleteIt's not only about how much someone sells but also their image and t-ara's is damaged goods.
DeleteOnly T-ara and Kara can save Kpop
ReplyDeletelol no
Delete3:00 - Actually no they're still slaying. It's true Loving U has surpassed them but ILY isn't doing bad at all, they're already in the top 10 songs of the year. We'll see how well their album will do when they make their comeback but they always do well with their album sales as well.
ReplyDeleteyg DOES media play, yg fans may be in denial but that does not change anything. media play IS media play.
ReplyDeleteAll company doing media play honey
Deletedid i say otherwise?
Deleteand tell that to yg stans...
F(x) you're my number one <3 <3
ReplyDeleteYG stans are so annoying.... Hv seen so many YG stans that have absolutely no respect for other groups...
ReplyDeleteAnd that makes them all annoying. If we go by your logic then SONES and QUEENS are so "annoying" because so many are so fucking annoying.
Delete??? No?
Hey don't talk shit about me. We have no respect for other groups. Excuse me. I don't even give a f!@# about them.
DeleteHey don't talk shit about me. We have no respect for other groups. Excuse me. I don't even give a f!@# about them.
DeleteWell you can add sones and queens to the list if u like..... but sones hv mellowed a lot nowadays since no one would wanna argue abt their popularity in Korea
DeleteAnyway imo YG stans are really annoying.... Always putting down others n claimed tt only YG artists make real music....
At least you added "IMO" this time.
DeleteIvy corn already proved my point =)
DeleteYG groups are the biggest circle jerk istg.
ReplyDeleteBow to your QUEEN'S
ReplyDeleteI didn't know Worldwide success = success in Japan. I think K-netizens are looking at the success of girl groups on a global scale hence why 2NE1 & WG are above Kara. You might consider the two's US advancements as flops whilst K-netizens see it as success. So what if they didn't sell out 100000000 seats? It's publicity. Regarding 2NE1, they have good connections in the States which can help them later on When they decide to debut. Also in Japan, they might not be that popular But it adds to their "worldwide success", Whilst Kara have only really gone to Japan, outside of Korea. WG are working hard in the States and again, they kick ass in China. Their popularity at home is still there so again I can see why they're second.
ReplyDeleteJust remember, global success =\= Success in Japan only.
Just my two cents on this.
anon 3:44
ReplyDeleteAll companies do media play. e.e
I didn't know why I come to this shit! Yeah I agree those girl group are very popular in Korea but 2ne1 is worldwide baby. Face it !
ReplyDeleteexcept yg stans dont believe it of yg... shock!
ReplyDeleteOn the contrary, I think an explanation as to why SNSD is at #1 is in fact necessary. That they are THAT famous have got to be the greatest Korean conspiracy aside from the claim that North Koreans love it there in NK.
ReplyDeleteBow down to your QUEEN'S peasants!
ReplyDeleteSNSD = 9 pair of legs that move in synch. No more , no less. How can they be at number 1?
ReplyDeleteSNSD had some advancement in the US, flop or not it was something. They are popular in Asia with their killer sites are Japan and Korea. They sell crazy and they've been with SM town world wide (bonus as every other SM artist have too xD)
ReplyDeleteAm I the only one who agrees with the rankings? Although they're not official the person has probably got justifiable reasons as to why everyone are ranked as they are.
So how many times has T-ara hit the roof at melon this year?
ReplyDeleteThe people who don't understand why SNSD is untouchable must be extremely new
ReplyDeletethis is the ranking in Korea? Of course SNSD #1, no one doubt that, but I'm not sure for worldwide
ReplyDeleteabout 2ne1 I always love their songs even though I'm not their fan but it is the truth that their last single is not daebak at all...
and you can't compare popularity for each country, as in Japan it is true that every concert sold but you have to admit KARA really shine in Japan, no girl group can beat them yet..and their achievement does have evidence
Just becoz their achievement didn't get translate in AK doesn't mean it doesn't happen...read more!!
wowowow look at these dumbass netizens
ReplyDeletesnsd only loved in korea
kara only in japan
2ne1 loved worldwide ok? 2ne1 should be first!
these RETARDED koreans need to open their eyes cuz YG taking over the world mutherfuckers!
LOL at people saying snsd is not popular outside of korea such as in japan. delusional much?
ReplyDeleteI wonder how many of these noobs just stared listening to kpop from Psy, and are part of YG delusion.
ReplyDeleteif two girl groups are in so-called 'worldwide level'... and snsd is above them...?!
ReplyDeletedo the math. it's not rocket science.
Don't know how 2ne1 got put up so high, their comeback was a flop, f(x) and Kara should that their spot
ReplyDeleteTo the anons who wonder why SNSD is ~untouchable~. The thing about SNSD is, they're either doing good or okay anywhere and in any fields. So they might not be the best in each field, but overall, they're on top. No contest.
ReplyDeleteTheir digital sales is okay, better than most boy groups and among the tops in girl groups. The dominate the physical sales with SJ being their only contender. The have strong and huge fanbase (invincibly strongest for a girl group rn)and they have the public's recognition and all the awards... Koreans love them, Japan likes them (they obv likes KARA better, but SNSD is the strong second). Their US advancement isn't saying a lot, but they're actually signed to a major label (Interscope) unlike most Korean acts except PSY, so they have strong potential and back up.
The other idol groups except SNSD and BIGBANG has either low physical sales but high digital or vice versa. Those two groups are also the ones with real public recognition in Korea.
As for worldwide fanbase, SNSD is obv has more stans compared to 2NE1 or any other girl groups lol. Just look at their MVs' youtube views and biggest international forums' members. YGLadies has 44k members (53k twitter followers) while Soshified has 239k members (162k twitter followers). Yep.
If you ask WHY they're famous, it's the same formula why they're on top IMO. The members might not be the best in their fields (singing, dancing, acting, variety shows, looks) but you can say that they're among or close to the top tiers in each fields. They have the right balance to be an all-around group.
^ Now can you explain why 2ne1 is up so high and not Kara, when Kara has done better overall and not just talk.
ReplyDeleteKara are not as big in Korea as they are in Japan. They rock in Japan but that's the only two countries they're active in. I would've thought it's pretty self explanatory.
Delete2NE1 have done a World Tour and regardless of how that is viewed it is an achievement. They're average in Japan (not that popular) but they do well in Korea.
^@ 6:27 Oh, I totally think KARA should be higher with 2NE1 and WG too, tbh. IDK why but their popularity in Korea tends to be downplayed? Maybe it has something to do with all the non-sense fabricated scandals, especially the Dokdo one? :/
ReplyDeleteNate Pann calling T-ara a "bully group" is bold. I see more legal action in their future.
ReplyDeleteKARA deserve higher place...but 2ne1 music are more acceptable world wide but it doesn't mean Kara doesn't have fans worldwide...how could someone think of that? Just becoz the fans not aggressive doesn't mean they don't exist...
ReplyDeleteI think everyone know every time there is girl group releasing any PV there are certain fans from ther fan club love to bash...no need to me to state the name right?
^ what? 2ne1 fans?
ReplyDeleteCan i have a boygroup ranking?
ReplyDeletei am curious to see where my oppas stand
XD
a bully group... there looks to be no hope for t-ara
ReplyDeleteI wonder where IU would be at if she was included?
ReplyDeleteKARA doesn't have dirty scandals like others, they were known as surviving group as they really start from below and get their popularity by their own hand...
ReplyDelete^Kara's had the upskirt incident, hentai incident, Dokdo islands incident, they almost abandoned Gyuri with DSP. All groups start from below. Kara is doing well stop complaining.
ReplyDeleteIU -> S level!!!! lol
ReplyDelete4minute and After School are really on the downfall. even rookies like A-Pink can beat them now. A-Pink is going to get bigger, big thanks to Eunji.
Why KARA is the same level as Sistar???
ReplyDeleteMiss A= Suzy, very true. I feel very bad for the other members though. Suzy has a really nice personality which makes her very likable. But all the hype on her is getting annoying..
ReplyDeleteSNSD -----> S
ReplyDeleteS = Say what?!
S = Shitty
S = SMH
S = Sad
S = Skinny
S = Shady
S = Shameful
S = Superior ^^
Delete^ hahaha my favorite is S = Shady
ReplyDeletewell, during the ILY promotion, basing only on melon, ILY hit the roof i think around 8 times? (and not every artist hits the melon roof right??) t-ara never did not even sistar. so, the digital monster ability is very much still there. it's just that the promotion itself was quite short compounded by all the rush for their world tour. and another worldwide factor for 2ne1 is that they charted on so many itunes all over the world for ILY, some they even charted at #1. pretty sure, yg cannot just media play all that.
ReplyDeleteand i understand why some ikpop fans are infuriated with yg stans, heck i dont like sm fans but you know, to each his own. yg stans are smug and snobs and all that but then really, how can all our groups afford so much branded luxury items if they aren't actually doing good all over the world? hahahaha. we do deserve a little bit of all that we brag about.
YG fans: always saying they aren't arrogant but always saying their group are the best and others are crap.
ReplyDeleteHow is this not arrogant?
Look to PSY, he did everything, he did his mv, song, directed his mv, acted on it and all, and YG just gave him money and what fans YG fans say? YG IS THE BEST, without YG Psy wouldn't be nothing''
ouch! Miss A = Suzy...true, she is nice but too overrated...I feel bad not only to her members but also any person which beside her in any show, too much focus on her doesn't matter what others dne..
ReplyDelete@Mari B 2ne1 have done a world tour? Can you tell me which part of the world they toured?
ReplyDeleteThe list seems to be accurate, there is just one mistake, T-ara should have been F- grade.
ReplyDeleteOverrating the overrated groups again. These rankings should stop looking at the past and pay more attention to what is trending now.
ReplyDelete"6:03 AM
ReplyDeleteDon't know how 2ne1 got put up so high, their comeback was a flop, f(x) and Kara should that their spot"
LOL you're kidding me right? Their comeback wasn't a flop, it didn't do as well as their past songs but "I love you" is already in the top 10 yearly chart. F(x) on the other hand at the moment is at #21 and Kara's song isn't doing very good.
How come people keep ignoring overall sales and underestimating very big Japan's market (20-30times bigger than Korea's?)?
ReplyDeleteRanking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,466,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/threads/list-and-ranking-of-total-album-sales-by-south-korean-idol-group-since-debut.37903/
SNSD!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOMG Sistar??? Unexpected but awesome!!!! f(x) 4ever!!!!! 2NE1 domination!!!!
More than 80% of Hallyu oversea sales came from Japan in 2010. KARA and SNSD debuted in August and September 2010. Their overall sales in Japan were much bigger in 2011. 5 to 20 times? I don't know what percent of Hallyu oversea sales came from Japan in 2011. Might be over 95%?
ReplyDeleteanon 5:41
ReplyDeleteDang if you add KARA sales in Korea and Japan they are second to TVXQ overall. O_O
That can't be right im sure they're #3 overall in Korea and Japan combined.
ReplyDelete^ actually 3,466,339 is their total in Korea and Japan putting them in 3rd spot just a little behind second.
ReplyDeletesnsd and kara are not too far in sales considering the fact that kara released more albums/compilation albums/singles/dvds.
ReplyDeleteits actually worrying that kara latest release solo collection album only sold less than 50k first week.
edit: in japan*
DeleteThey sold around 47k first week which is not bad considering they are not promoting it.
ReplyDeleteit has five music videos - thats more than enough promotions. and even without lives, umj did well in other ways of promotions. this release is also prime fan collectible material, so sales was pretty much lackluster in terms of expectations.
Deletea lot of pop artists dont perform in music shows, and there are some who only do one performance each release.
How's having 5 mvs equivalent to more than enough promotion?
DeleteSeriously, the sales is not bad considering the lack of promotion. Nikki didn't even include it cos the news of it's release is late. And there are Japanese fans saying that they can't get version A cos it is sold out in many places ....
And the dokdo n anti hallyu issue may have some impact too....
For those who says Sistar is better than Fx. Are you outta your mind? Fx pwns Sistar when it comes to physical sells, individual popularity, popularity overseas,and individual promotions and such. Sistar is only famous because of Hyorin's voice and their songs, it's gonna be hard for the group to catch up to match that level.
ReplyDeleteSNSD is such an overrated group it makes me want to barf
ReplyDeleteRainbow barf~
Deleteikr, 230k albums sells in 13 days sounds like bulk buying to hype the album before their U.S. and Japanese release of the boys.
ReplyDeleteLOL
Deletedang, Nine Muses was at Maginot Line, now they are at etc B(
ReplyDelete^
ReplyDelete^ mvs are used for promotions, is that news to you? you make it sound that kara not having lives equates to zero promotions... what, are you new to japan? a lot of jpop artists don't even get to perform in any music shows. and some jpop artists would only perform ONCE every release. there are other ways of doing promotions in japan... super junior for example don't perform in any music shows but they get massive promotions in japan. kara gets more than enough promotions in japan.
also this release is primarily targeted at fans. it might be announced late, but fans would know one way or another.
also, when members of groups release solos - the usual trend is an increase in sales. this release has all five members releasing a solo, that's expected to inflate sales. but that didn't happen. in fact, the sales were actually lackluster... but maybe kara would have some longetivity in the charts and end up selling at least 100k total... the questions right now is 'will it?' and 'how long will that take?'
The one and only decent song Fx has had was Nuabo. The only thing they have to back them up is that they belong to a big agency. Sadly Luna is the only one with some real singing talent but because of her lack of good looks, she barely gets any individual attention.
ReplyDelete*more than enough promotions for this release
ReplyDeleteSNSD is such an overrated group it makes me want to barf
ReplyDelete^ i agree. they don't make me want to barf (lol) but i do agree that they are overrated. their songs are catchy, but only taeyeon has the real singing abilities...out of 9 girls. whereas hyoyeon has the real dancing abilities...out of 9 girls.
but they have a strong fanbase...many of whom are pretty crazy.
Oh yeah f(x)! I like f(x).
ReplyDeleteT-ara is 100000000000000000000000* better than the 9bitches.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe in my eye,KARA in third group :| KARA deserve with 2nd place.
ReplyDeleteFUCK YOU FUCK YOU.
ReplyDeleteSNSD can beat Y.G's girl group anytime (YG's girls are ugly anyway, so me no like).
ReplyDeleteGorilla out
Don't attack me, I already give up
this is so flipping true! i like YG but seriously their arrogance can be such a major turn off!
ReplyDeleteSNSD forever the queens of Kpop^^ Sistar did really well! Alone and Loving you was awesome:) Their company did well in promoting them. But missA is still the same missA=Suzy,Suzy is pretty and all but its getting annoying. After school needs to buck up soon. Apink is doing(thanks to my love,Eunji!) I always thought that Kara and WG were on the same level.
ReplyDeleteRanking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
ReplyDelete1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,766,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
ReplyDelete1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,466,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
who cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
ReplyDeleteGAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,466,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
True
ReplyDeletewho cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
GAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,466,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
hmhm who cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
ReplyDeleteGAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,466,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
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ReplyDeletewho cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
GAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,766,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
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ReplyDeletewho cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
GAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,766,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
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ReplyDeleteTrue dud
who cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
GAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,766,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
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ReplyDeleteTrue dud
who cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
GAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,766,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
FINAL CONCLUSION
ReplyDeleteTrue dud
who cares about the world?..if JAPAN is NUMBER 1 in MUSIC INDUSTRY IN THE WORLD ...KARA revenue is 20times higher that 2ne1 and below groups
GAllup Forbes basis
Ranking for Top 20 best selling Korean idol
1. TVXQ - 11,019,010
2. Girls' Generation - 4,070,170
3. KARA - 3,766,339
4. Big Bang - 2,967,430
5. Super Junior - 2,590,428
10. T-ARA - 742,307
12. 2NE1 - 552,624
14. Wonde Girls - 380,534
17. f(x) - 254,632
Top 10 best selling Korean female idols in Japan
1. KARA - 2,928,793
2. Girls' Generation - 2,030,776
3. T-ARA - 332,145
4. After School - 123,155
5. Rainbow - 106,654
6. 2NE1 - 81,474
7. 4Minute - 75,501
8. Secret - 60,683
9. The Grace - 37,653
10. Wonder Girls - 10,396
http://forums.allkpop.com/thre...
omo Secret is more popular than 4minut? :O
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