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Friday, January 24, 2014

B1A4 wins #1 on 'Music Bank' amidst massively spreading controversy


Article: B1A4 wins #1 on 'Music Bank' with Lonely "Please enjoy our music"

Source:
Star News via Naver

1. [+4,364, -378] Winning #1 in the middle of a sajaegi controversy must not feel all that great for them

2. [+3,497, -816] The singer has no crime. The agency is the problem.

3. [+2,126, -257] You can't just dismiss the album sales amounting to 5% of the win. That 5% is huge for idols with big fandoms.

4. [+2,941, -1,582] Their conscience is 'Lonely'

5. [+1,071, -76] I think it was good for SM to cancel their Music Bank appearance ㅋㅋㅋ fans would've thrown a fit if they went

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Article: [B1A4 Sajaegi Controversy] Agency and Hanteo claim "They are unwarranted claims"

Source:
X Sports news via Naver

1. [+4,127, -479] Hanteo's statement cannot be used as evidence because they only count the number of barcodes recorded. When group orders are processed, fans or copmanies are supposed to keep record of either the money deposited and collected or the receipts but because the agency only recorded the barcodes and sent that number to Hanteo, Hanteo has no idea whether those barcodes were actual CDs sold or not. For a group who only sold 20,000 copies normally to randomly sell 70,000 copies without receipts means something fishy is going on. The company needs to put out receipts in order to put this to rest but for the past five days, they have been using Hanteo's statement as their only form of media play.

2. [+4,054, -437] They need to pay the price for doing something illegal

3. [+3,378, -284] The company's CEO is so stupid... He's basically screaming, "Just believe me!!!!!!!!!!!!" and calling it an official statement...

4. [+2,970, -194] Are they seriously using Gaon Chart's first week sales as their only form of evidence? What's wrong with them? They talk as if this is their first time selling albums ㅋㅋ

5. [+2,838, -218] They're basically just spinning the same retort over and over despite all of them already being proven to be unusable evidence or false

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Article: B1A4's agency and Hanteo reps being pummeled with fandom phone calls "Disruption of business"

Source:
E-News via Nate

1. [+665, -120] There have already been reports in the media of fans waiting outside stores to buy TVXQ's album and stores even setting aside a separate counter for TVXQ album sales. Over 8,000 attended their fan signing and TVXQ is known for filling 850,000 concert seats. For B1A4, a band that can't even fill out a 5,000 seat handball stadium, to sell the same amount as TVXQ in a week... makes no sense. The only groups in our country to sell 70,000 in a week are TVXQ, Big Bang, SuJu, and SNSD.

2. [+546, -85] They can't explain how 40,000 copies were sold in three days over the weekend, when online sales aren't counted. None of the record stores said they ran out of CDs to sell but somehow 14,000 were sold in three hours by a grou pthat barely sold 100,000 in total over their entire promotion period. How are they going to explain how they sold as much as TVXQ, Big Bang, SuJu, and SNSD in one week alone?

3. [+500, -77] I already called record stores and they said that for a group to have sold 40,000 copies in three days means that record stores should have either ran out of copies to sell or have set aside a separate counter for them entirely, none of which actually happened. In the main record stores in Seoul, they said that they sold 29, 30, and 100 copies a day. So where is that 40,000??????

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88 comments:

  1. As someone who adores both groups, the entire situation just sucks balls :(

    I'm extremely happy B1A4 got their first major broadcasting win though, because despite everything, the album is still AMAZING.

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  2. [+3,497, -816] The singer has no crime. The agency is the problem.



    basically

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  3. Mercury & PerfectionJanuary 24, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Please don't blame B1A4... They work too hard for hate that their company deserves, not them

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  4. Once again the company fucks up the group's image

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  5. I feel sorry for B1A4. :( They seem like nice boys.

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  6. WM should just hurry up and show the receipts....if they have any...

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  7. just apologize and get this over with.

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  8. Comment #3. Did this person really called record stores?!
    LOL.


    Anyways. This controversy is embarrasing, this company should stop it. They're turning these kids into a big joke. And the saddest part is that they were still in semi nugu status for the general public. Not cool.

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  9. Fans: SHIELD activated!

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  10. these commenter will just NOT agree with any evidence thrown their way. not believing hanteo, not believe the result on GAON charts....


    i don't even know what to say to such strong delusion.



    p.s b1a4's last album sold over 100k copies. these netizens are confused.

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  11. Anyone know the results from Gaon?

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  12. how is filling concert seats relevant to album sales lmfao

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  13. For "tense" how much tvxq sold in the first week?

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  14. "[+3,497, -816] The singer has no crime. The agency is the problem."

    Exactly. So some fans should stop hating on B1A4. Because I have seen some hurtful comments--

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  15. Jenizz | pinkcrownJanuary 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM

    Receipts or apologize. These two are the options they have.

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  16. As soon as I saw they won on MuBank, my heart sank. This controversy is just going to get worse the more they win. As a Bana, I pray B1A4 doesn't win tonight on MuCore or tomorrow on Inkigayo. So sad for a fandom to have to wish your idols don't win. Literally the worst thing that could've happened this comeback. T_T

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  17. are you serious? album sales and ticket sales are both the best indicators of fandom size. if youre good at one youll be good at the other.

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  18. Just show the darn receipts. How hard can it really be? Oh wait... unless....

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  19. Who did they win against though? DBSK wasn't there, right?

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  20. they were talking about their first week sales, which were 22k

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  21. this is what i'm wondering. most b1a4 fans are youuuung (10-14 y.o). these are the age of fangirls who will buy all 6 copies of their album using their parent money but also will be too young to go to a concert or be allowed out????

    idek

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  22. it's a shame cuz b1a4 is one of those idols who the public doesn't really have a problem with and baro is just getting his limelight.
    sajangnim i hope you apologise soon for banas and the boys

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  23. not everyone that attends a concert has a copy of the artist album, and not everyone who owns an album can attend a concert

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  24. but it sucks for the singer since they're in the spot light and will get all the criticism. Just like when a song sucks, the artist is blamed instead of the company/producer.

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  25. It does seem unfair, but B1A4 are certainly not the ones running around scanning their barcodes...

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  26. I'm sorry, man. :( That's rough, to not be able to enjoy your group's win.

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  27. There is a reason why receipts are needed. Hanteo making a claim means nothing since they don't know the sellers and just see the barcodes being sold. To them it looks normal. They don't factor in fandom size or anything. That's why it's a bit of a stretch to use Hanteo for "backup"


    WM is being shady since all of this would have been over with had they provided the receipts.

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  28. They should have admitted it when people started suspecting them...
    WM seriously sucks.
    They're ruining B1A4's image.
    ugh! I feel so sorry for those boys TT TT
    But im happy that netizens arent hating on them tho.

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  29. This is all just so messy. I don't know how they're gonna get out of this one.

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  30. So anyone wanna bring me uptodate with this scandal cuz idk what the hell going.What happened

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  31. i'm a tvxq fan but for the sake of fairness i'm going to point out that b1a4 would have one even without the buy backs. basically they won with broadcast points, there's an explanation here http://ich1heavens.tumblr.com/post/74378285802/tvxq-lost-to-b1a4-in-music-bank-so-your-assume-is

    it just makes it even sadder that their company is putting them through this

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  32. cause people who buy the albums go to concerts too...

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  33. Can WM just reveal the receipts, that way we will shut up, as easy as that
    If they have the power to shut us up just use it!
    Then again not blaming B1A4, the album is good and they r very talented and I LOVE YOU BARO!!!

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  34. so glad that this is the 2nd most voted comment, I'm not a fan of B1A4 and I don't even know their song, but I'm glad they are not being blamed for something they didnt do

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  35. I don't blame B1A4 but their company is getting pretty shady.

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  36. Why did this company have to cheat just to get them to win? They could have risen slowly but surely with this good album on it's own.
    At this point we can safely say WM ent. hasn't got any receipts at all, so the next thing to do is come out with a serious apology quickly and let the controversy die down. Pull out the group from music shows maybe.
    What a way to f*ck over their only group who recently started to get popular.

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  37. "The only groups in our country to sell 70,000 in a week are TVXQ, Big Bang, SuJu, and SNSD"

    These names #TRUTH (but we miiiiight need to start adding EXO to this list)

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  38. Yeah despite all the controversy surrounding this rumours the album and the song 'Lonely' are totally deserving of the award in itself.

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  39. As a Cassie, I have to say that they were going to win Music Bank anyway because of broadcast points. That's why it is really hard to win on second/third week on that show, because most broadcast points go to the newly released album. So B1A4 won fair and square. The difference in points would have been affected if they didn't count the album sales, but I think they had a big chance of winning anyway. So congrats B1A4!

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  40. b1a4 is forever going to be tainted with people questioning whether or not they truly deserve their wins.

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  41. Actually, I want them to win on Inkigayo, since they only count digital sells.
    Sajaegi or not, the boys deserve to win, the album is flawless

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  42. Neither fanbase is at fault. The agency can screw itself for giving such a not-answer answer.

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  43. ??? they are directly related, they dont need to exactly mirror each other right down to the number of albums or tickets sold. groups with high physical sales can sell lots of tickets (eg dbsk, big bang, suju, snsd) and groups with low physical sales cannot (eg most other girl groups, like sistar)

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  44. Wow, these fans are really determined- I'm not surprised they complained at the agency & Hanteo, but to actually call up record stores to confirm CD numbers. ^.^
    On another note, its unfortunate that future B1A4 wins are just going to stir up this controversy again. Please just show the receipts or apologize, agency! It's been going on too long. T.T

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  45. Daebak. Cassie Sure work so hard for the,i heard this is for tvxq 10 anniversary and before yunho enlistment

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  46. exactly, they're official ambassadors of the girl scouts of korea meaning their still way too young to go out and most concerts are held at night and on weekends so a large part of their fan base is automatically unable to go

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  47. 1. [+665, -120] There have already been reports in the media of fans waiting outside stores to buy TVXQ's album and stores even setting aside a separate counter for TVXQ album sales. Over 8,000 attended their fan signing and TVXQ is known for filling 850,000 concert seats. For B1A4, a band that can't even fill out a 5,000 seat handball stadium, to sell the same amount as TVXQ in a week... makes no sense. The only groups in our country to sell 70,000 in a week are TVXQ, Big Bang, SuJu, and SNSD.

    How can the company even justify them selling around the same amount as TVXQ, Big Bang, SuJu, and SNSD.

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  48. Yeah, on Youngstreet today Rainbow said they kept asking DSP to let them do a sexy concept; they wanted something like 2.0 they said. I don't think Cha Cha was what they had in mind though, but they seem to be trying to make the most of it as they can. At least Woori wrote the lyrics to her rap, so hopefully her and the rest start writing more.

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  49. "they're too good to be in sm"
    what does this line say about TVXQ, Suju, SNSD, SHINee, f(x), EXO?? That they are not good enough and that's why they are under SM?

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  50. That's how it usually works. Many groups have done the same in the past.

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  51. I kinda liked the intro dance but not the bouncy dance,

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  52. they like it

    http://ahjummasanonymous.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/ahjumma.gif

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  53. Oh yeah, the vast majority of the fandom so badly wanted something like A, Mach or To Me. Something sexy but in all the right ways. Cha Cha is just... a bit sleazy, honestly. I don't even like the song.

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  54. I don't mean an on-going one, just a special performance like the 'maknae performance' which consisted of many of the groups' maknaes at an award show a while back - it was really fun to watch.

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  55. Actually, I feel that the Something mv was mostly Minah and Sojin (with just a bit of Yura and Hyeri). The song itself could be a Minah/Sojin duet.

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  56. lmao that ahjumma just creamed her pasta.

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  57. G-Dragon does not have a lock on the abbreviation GD, it's quite common for people to abbreviate groups name and I am too lazy to type Girl's Day every time.

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  58. I actually liked the original choreo better

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  59. Its nice to see positive comments, been a whike

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  60. Why the hell are people complaining? Key and Woohyun are best friends and a lot of Shawols are also Inspirits (at least International). I personally love WooKey so this is my dream come true!

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  61. Understandable. "A" and "Mach" were fabulous. I feel like DSPM went too far. This could've been a well-done sub-unit if they didn't go too far. Rainbow is at its best with subtle sexy and not too raunchy moves.

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  62. idk about everyone else but i'm excited for this!

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  63. I actually liked the bouncy dance ...

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  64. I liked every part of their performance and now I do not want to watch anymore because the stage is so boring.

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  65. so woollim is actually legit mixed with sm now huh

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  66. I like both artists but I am against this duo. I don't know why they still pretend SM and Woollim aren't the same company. I knew SM would use Infinite to boost the popularity of their own groups and idols.

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  67. For boy groups, there aren't many sexy moves for them...and the only sexy choreo I remember in ADTOY is the side dance (moving up and down while the hand is near their waist). What different choreo can you think of for guys, hmm? Girl groups show more skin than guy groups and the girl groups have done more sexy dance moves than guy groups.
    Ex: Girl's Day Expectation
    1. Hand opening and closing near their v and saying "ohhhh ohhhh ohhhh"
    2.After that their left and is slowly covering their index finger.
    3. Lying on the floor and touching their body
    4. Open and shut their thighs
    5. The suspender dance where their move their butts up and down
    6. The boob rub
    7. Going down and open and shut thighs.

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  68. And you generalized everyone out of that comment? Really?

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  69. ♪ And I see your true colors shining through ♪...

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  70. Little Freak 'ㅂ'*January 24, 2014 at 7:55 PM

    i'm his fan but i don't think his voice is good. Of course I've heard/watched all his songs/performance including solos, features, etc... but compare to other members, his voice is not good. I just love his rap and dance more

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  71. Little Freak 'ㅂ'*January 24, 2014 at 7:59 PM

    hey, my name is Little Freak and yeah i've watched all things related to him. i'm a little crazy over him. His singing is ok but not really good and he's improving everyday, but it's just not that good

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  72. Little Freak 'ㅂ'*January 24, 2014 at 8:02 PM

    this is exactly what i want to say T_T

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  73. Little Freak 'ㅂ'*January 24, 2014 at 8:03 PM

    EunHae?

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  74. I didn't know how much I wanted this until it was announced.

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  75. he's cast in musical but he never use musical voice in his musical...THAT MAKE SENSE!......also he cast in 2 musicals already but i never heard he get praised by critics....lol

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  76. yall stfu nobody give a fuck about yo damn opinion
    key and woo are probably liek yey m0r tiem wit each uhda gays4lyfe11!!

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  77. Can you use proper grammar and punctuation thanks? Whether you or the critics like his voice in musicals is purely objective but what does it have to do with his voice for an upcoming duet with Woohyun. He isn't the best obviously but he can sing live better than a llot of nugus or idols.

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  78. I think this is great. Aren't they Besties or something? Atleast they would get along.

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  79. not solo...they are technically a unit group.

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  80. ok i know seohyun and hara are friends with nicole and they're both 91ers, but once again it doesn't mean they belong to 91 line. 91 line is a group of close buddies who were born in '91, not every idols who were born in '91.

    I even remember Key used to say that he even did not know Hara (well), i even think that Key doesn't like hara at all since key and nicole have been friends for so long but he's never showed any connection between him and hara (key loves to make friends with idols who are same age as him) . And in every pictures of 91 line i rarely see Hara, seriously.

    Seohyun is a different case. She's close with nicole (i'm not sure about key). I know Jinwoon is/was really her big fan, but not pretty sure about her side since i'm not her fan. If i remember correctly, i saw a picture of her with 91 line, just once. So if you say Seohyun and Minho belong to 91 line, i will say "really, i'm not so sure, maybe". But if you say Hara belongs to 91 line, ok , "hell no".

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  81. This will be fun but I just hope no more SM = Woollim thing in the future. SM is interfering too much.

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  82. n now u attacking my grammar....ok......but yeah....my grammar is suck....what can i say,engrish is not my mother language!

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  83. what am I saying, what are you saying? #bye

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  84. Key said there are 16 people in the '91 Line, and those 16 are:
    http://www.karaholic.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14564&hl=

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