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Saturday, January 21, 2017

[Pann] 'Shotacon' concepts within male idol groups?

Instiz: Male idols with shota-like concepts

"Some of them are actual kids though and are dressed for their age..."

"Eh, this seems like a stretch"

"Dream really are kids though"

"I feel like this post was just made by the fans of a currently controversial celebrity to throw everyone else under the bus with them..."

"Aside from Park Bogum, the rest of them don't look like shota concepts. They just look like young boys... no sexual implications at all."

"What's so shota about Taemin's picture???? He looks rather mature in that picture to me..."

"Only Park Bogum's gives that feel.. the rest are a stretch."

"The Dream kids are actual kids... they're wearing clothes meant for kids."

"How is the Sherlock concept shota at all?"

"There's nothing sexual about these pictures though ㅋㅋㅋㅋ just because they're wearing shorts and showing some skin doesn't make it shota ㅋㅋㅋ"

"The point of shota is a boy's image + sexual appeal... there's nothing like that in these pictures other than Park Bogum's pictures."


Pann: Why are only IU Suzy and Sulli's pictures considered controversial? Male shotacom is also an issue

1. [+582, -17] Park Bogum's pictures definitely look like shotacom

2. [+535, -42] Why is NCT in this? ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Their average age is 16-17, it'd be weirder to dress them in more adult things like see through clothing, fishnets, and showing off their abs;;;;

3. [+298, -20] I recently saw a comment saying that male communit sites don't really seem to take lolita controversies that seriously but that goes the same for female community sites. Women don't take shotacon issues seriously either... they're too busy babying male idols while ripping apart female idols for lolicon issues... the hypocrisy...

4. [+197, -11] The thing about NCT is that they're not trying to look young, they really are young ㅋㅋㅋ imagine if they were dressed in leather jackets or suits, that'd be even weirder ㅋㅋㅋㅋ and NCT is not trying to conveny anything sexual with how they look either ㅋㅋㅋ

5. [+145, -6] Isn't NCT Dream comprised of actual children though? I think it's cute and appropriate for their age, they're still students so why should they dress sexy?

6. [+134, -2] I also think that it's unfair that the double standards against male and female celebrities exist on these issues

7. [+131, -18] I can see Park Bogum and SHINee's pictures being problematic. I remember Park Bogum's pictures were up on Pann before, not sure why it got buried ㅋㅋㅋㅋ celebrities who do these concepts should just be exiled

8. [+128, -74] SHINee's took it too far;; what's up with that


Pann: BTS shota controversy

1. [+566, -13] Their song 'I Need U' is a song of longing, not a shota song at all. It's about the pain that one feels through a break up. When they do the wave in their dance, it's to express that feeling in a sensual way. They have their eyes slightly closed to express that, it's not a type of dance you can do with your eyes wide open. There's nothing shota about their lyrics. And by the way, the school uniform look is actually a marine uniform.

2. [+545, -8] BTS mainly does songs about boys maturing into adults and how they're adults now but still yearn to chase their dreams like boys. They have lyrics like 'I want to be forever a boy' and have never once used 'boys' in a sexual context. BTS uses the concept of young boys to express youth and growth, not sex.

3. [+532, -10] If you read the bottom of 'NOW3', they have the line "for our youth with no regrets", and their entire message has always been about growing up from boys into adults and all of the concerns, emotions, and confusions that come with that process. There's nothing shota about their concept at all.

4. [+222, -0] BTS has a bigger international fandom than a Korean fandom and knowing that foreigners are way more sensitive to issues of lolicon and shotacon than Koreans are and the fact that their international fans haven't raised any issues with these concepts must mean that there aren't any shota issues with their concepts. If they really were, I'm sure they would've been exiled by the foreigners already.

5. [+116, -0] The point of shotacon is the exploitation of minors... but BTS's concept has always been about overcoming the oppression of youth and everything that comes with maturing into an adult. Why would they use shotacon as a concept?



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