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Friday, May 15, 2015

Rap and hip hop becoming more mainstream?


Article: Rap and hip hop enters mainstream...!

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1. [+410, -43] 'Show Me the Money 4' is just an idol battle, not a battle of rappers. The point of the show was to pick non-celebrity new rookie talent, please revert the show back to season two.

2. [+222, -14] There has been an increase of hip hop songs on the chart lately, starting with San-E and 'Unpretty', etc..

3. [+179, -6] The malicious editing style of 'Show Me the Money' and 'Unpretty Rap Star' has done enough to draw viewers in, consequently making hip hop more known. Can't deny that.

4. [+161, -15] As Swings said in his lyrics, "Listen up dongsaengs, hip hop is the trend now"

5. [+33, -1] There has been an increase of hip hop but at the top of the charts are always "idol style" hip hop songs and songs off of 'Unpretty' and 'Show Me the Money'. I don't think underground hip hop has reached mainstream yet.

6. [+32, -2] Articles like this are so misleading. It makes it sound like hip hop is popular but if hip hop really was the trend, then B-Free and Huckleberry P should've been on the charts with their releases last year but they weren't. There shouldn't even be a situation where P-Type is on 'Show Me the Money' but that's reality. Koreans like rap and that's what's popular.

7. [+24, -2] What we as the mainstream know isn't real hip hop, we're just watching for the shows.

8. [+17, -1] The songs up on the charts right now are rap songs, not hip hop

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507 comments:

  1. [+410, -43] 'Show Me the Money 4' is just an idol battle, not a battle of rappers. The point of the show was to pick non-celebrity new rookie talent, please revert the show back to season two.



    True!

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  2. It's irrelevant (sorta, but bc they mentioned him I have to get this off my chest) I just roll my eyes whenever I see B-Free's name bc I'm an ARMY & i hold grudges 😒

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  3. Not like he was wrong. l0l

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  4. Season two, and not where bobby was in please

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  5. A lot of what is shown isn't hip hop. Rap, yes, but no hip hop. At the same time there is great representation in the underground scene and even on SMTM/UR.

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  6. I like that they all admit, "yeah no hip hop/rap (they're using it interchangeably here) aren't popular, these shows are popular"

    6. [+32, -2] Articles like this are so misleading. It makes it sound like hip hop is popular but if hip hop really was the trend, then B-Free and Huckleberry P should've been on the charts with their releases last year but they weren't. There shouldn't even be a situation where P-Type is on 'Show Me the Money' but that's reality. Koreans like rap and that's what's popular.



    that has a lot a truth to it

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  7. The fact that they consider Swings and San E to be representatives of hip hop is hilarious. Give me a break. San E has to resort to having idols feature on his songs for them to even chart well and I don't blame him. You can't always dominate the charts without a publicly friendly song. But at the same time I don't consider him to be a hip hop enthusiast.

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  8. Exactly. Took the words out of my mouth.

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  9. then how was he right? he was just being rude af in my opinion.

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  10. [+33, -1] There has been an increase of hip hop but at the top of the charts are always "idol style" hip hop songs and songs off of 'Unpretty' and 'Show Me the Money'. I don't think underground hip hop has reached mainstream yet.



    Very true. A lot of idols and singers now are going for tougher sounds and looks and adding in a rapper. But that doesn't automatically make it hiphop. Right now the idol ver. of rap is really in. The real hip hop scene is popular in Korea but I don't think as mainstream. Only the big names like Tiger JK, San E, or Tablo get recognized.

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  11. Not sure if i should be happy or not .. lol

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  12. How wasn't he right? I'll admit he was overly harsh and that was unnecessary, but his point still stands. They use the term "rapper" and "hip hop" in the idol word to make up for people without any particular talents. It's like being a normal banker and everyone associates you with wall street scum. Think of it like that.

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  13. honest question, whats the difference between rap and hip hop? i see them used interchangeably sometimes?

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  14. he said guys wearing eyeliner was gay and real rap artists wouldn't wear it for appearance's sake. that's wrong.

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  15. i want to see it g ma performed on a music show just once lol.

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  16. Can't wait for K-pop to pick up a new trend. I've been so done with this knock off hip-hop genre since before it became popular.

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  17. more accurately i would say pop songs are adding more hip hop elements. but to me rap and hip hop are the same.

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  18. But LE was in SMTM 2

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  19. There are really good raps and just a so so rap in mainstream now. But underground rappers are still the best

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  20. The reason its popular is because SMTM and UPRS has made it drama fueled and basically edited to make the mainstream like it.Maybe more people will start listening to more k-hiphop other than the ones they always show on tv,

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  21. lmao b-free? wasn't he the one who made a song that almost exactly sounds like kendrick's money tree but said it was homage?

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  22. Oh man don't even get me started. Hip hop is not just about rapping. It's about the culture of African Americans. Hip hop entails bboying, graffiti spraying, and rapping. Honestly speaking I haven't come across many Korean rappers who really understand the culture and know their place. They just try to do what American rappers do and mimic their gestures. It's quite pathetic. I wish more rappers were like Tablo and Verbal Jint. Goddamn it be more creative don't just do the black thing over and over again. Prime example = Beenzino.

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  23. Sure, rap is a trend right now and there's been a slow increase in popularity of various underground rappers but i wouldn't say hip hop is mainstream at all. To chart as a rapper you still have to meet certain criteria that sometimes takes away from hip hop

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  24. Rap is a style, and a cadence of conveying words in a musical context. Hip-hop is a culture and a genre of music, but it doesn’t necessarily have to involve rap. There’s hip-hop dancing. There’s hip-hop clothing styles. Rap is something very specific, while hip-hop is a more generalized cultural term

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  25. Didnt Rap monster and Suga hate idols and idol life predebut??? I remember one of them said something about it on RM 4 things show.

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  26. A Private PersonMay 15, 2015 at 10:52 PM

    rap and hip hop influence is defo becoming more popular in kpop. but i'm curious for what the next trend will be, although honestly i think they're starting to slowly branch into the funky jazzy sound thing.

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  27. Also, B-Free ain't even good

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  28. I dont like that he said if ur male and wear makeup ir gay+ other ignorant stuff regardless who he said it about.

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  29. A Private PersonMay 15, 2015 at 10:53 PM

    but ew why is b-free being mentioned.

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  30. At least write the source of your comment....

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  31. agree tablo and verbal jint lyrics was great,theyre not pretending to be swaggy all day

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  32. the four elements to hip hop as a culture started with mc-ing (rap is what we call it now) dj-ing, graffiti (pop art? don't quote me on that lol) and breakdance
    rap is just one of the four aspects behind it

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  33. That might be wrong but it's staying true to hip hop. Could you imagine Nas or Eminem saying any different?

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  34. Sorry, my phone isn't working well. Editing now

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  35. it was already..

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  36. Didnt Rap monster and Suga hate idols and idol life predebut? I remember one of them said something about it on RM 4 things show.

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  37. rapping is something you do, it's a verb. hip-hop is not a verb, it's a noun that describes a whole culture.

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  38. Mainstream ? I'd say it's being treated more as a concept than a music style right now. Eventually people will move on and nothing will change for all the P-type's and Huckleberry P's out there

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  39. That pic of jimin always scares me somehow... i like san-e's songs when he makes collabs with singers...

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  40. partynextdoor ♡May 15, 2015 at 10:58 PM

    A lot of Koreans consider people who have really deep/raspy voices rappers and talk really fast, some of them have no flow and it just doesn't sound good.

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  41. b-free is one of the best lyricists in khiphop lol i hate the dude but people saying he's not good are delusional. huckleberry p is amazing too, i preferred his album last year over b-free's.

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  42. I never really like Beenzino as a person but his songs always got stuck in my head TTATT I like Verbal Jint but I want more songs like overclass, and Tablo said he would do a collab with sneaky chan, is it out yet?

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  43. it's still wrong. nas and eminem may be qualified to call what's hip hop and what's not, but they're not qualified to determine what's gay or not. neither does b-free. the landscape of today's hip hip is different than before - just look at frank ocean (or is he not hip hop enough for you either?)

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  44. I see people saying he got popular because of san-e's diss lol

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  45. This is the same argument Hip Hop heads in the US have about mainstream rap vs indie/underground/ less mainstream rap. I'm sure it's the case everywhere. It comes down to whats popular (pop) and what the masses buy ($$$).

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  46. i agree they throw those terms around BUT it's different when it comes to bts. they actually show they WANT to know & learn more about hip hop.

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  47. I still can't believe P-Type is going on SMTM.

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  48. [+410, -43] 'Show Me the Money 4' is just an idol battle, not a battle of rappers. The point of the show was to pick non-celebrity new rookie talent, please revert the show back to season two

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  49. 6. [+32, -2] Articles like this are so misleading. It makes it sound like hip hop is popular but if hip hop really was the trend, then B-Free and Huckleberry P should've been on the charts with their releases last year but they weren't. There shouldn't even be a situation where P-Type is on 'Show Me the Money' but that's reality. Koreans like rap and that's what's popular.

    This comment is on point. If hip hop was so popular, why are there so many good undergrounx hip hop artists not charting? Where's Okasian, where is Paloalto? Where is B-free?

    Army's need to chill. Don't you dare say B-free isn't a good rapper when you havent even listened to his music or seen him perform live, just because you don't like him is not a valid reason to undermine his talent as a rapper. He is an amazing rapper and deserves to be known as one.

    I do however disagree with them saying SMTM is idol dominated. Idol rappers who auditioned made maybe less then 10% of rappers who went to the auditions You can't hate on them for trying.

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  50. "staying true to hip hop"
    LMAO so calling people gay is hip hop?

    you brought up eminem....wow you must know a lot about hip hop.

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  51. Agreed, this is why I don't like a few of the idol rappers that fandoms tend to praise. Just because someone is constantly randomly screaming angrily or ripping fast doesn't make them good rapper, neither does them writing generic lyrics fans call "deep."

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  52. Exactly. Rapping at LTE speed does not make you good a rapper.

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  53. he was saying it to rapmon and suga tho, and if you're willing to accept tablo as khiphop, I don't see how rapmon falls far from the spectrum (esp now that epik high are with YG). you should give rapmon's last mixtape a listen.

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  54. yeah it's out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMAgudRSAEs

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  55. Despite that though, B-Free is still competent rapper, the only reason people hate on him is because the BTS oppars were insulted by him.

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  56. B-free is a douche yeah and Zico comes across as a fuckboy but both of them are talented and are reps of what Khiphop are.

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  57. "Guest" probably has the same mentality as B-Free.

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  58. Not to defend him, what he said was ignorant, but rappers round the world say this all the time. If he said this about a non-idol rapper/a rapper that wasn't your bias, almost none of you would care. Unless you guys are on other sites defending the homophobic remarks thrown Young Thug, which I doubt. So I'll just be that guy and saaaaay, get over it. Lol.

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  59. You would think because Beenzino is such a big fan of verbal he would take some notes. Him and the rest of illionare irk my last nerve

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  60. It's funny, because you're "guest" too.

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  61. My biggest issue with khiphop is the constant appropriation of black culture. Rappers like Tablo, Verbal Jint, Giriboy prove that you don't have to put on this psuedo-thug life image

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  62. Question, why are international fans suddenly so infatuated with Verbal Jint?

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  63. "If he said this about a non-idol rapper" He wouldn't say it to them in the first place because they aren't idols. b-free just seems to hates idols lmao.
    "a rapper that wasn't your bias" Then whoever else that stans that rapper would care.

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  64. So being a fan means he needs to copy what Verbal Jint does now? Where's the originality in that? Maybe give a listen to some of Beenzino's older songs.

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  65. The funniest rapper is Don Mills, without a doubt.

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  66. partynextdoor ♡May 15, 2015 at 11:16 PM

    Yes, there are barely any good rappers in k-pop groups. I'm pretty sure they train them to rap and everything but a lot of the time I'm not feeling it, whenever the rapping break starts I'm just like ugh y u do dis?

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  67. uh, i listen to plenty of american hip hop. vic mensa, frank ocean, rae sremmurd, azealia banks, etc, and I call them out on their shit too. what's your point? I don't stan for BTS, I just think b-free ain't shit.

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  68. I do agree that as of recent a lot of Beenzino's releases haven't been that great, beat wise it's great, but lyrically it's been a lit lacking BUT you cannot disregard his older stuff. He use to be very Jazz Hip Hop inspired and his style has slowly changed over the years.

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  69. Would Tiger JK be considered rap or hip hop? I'm not big on either genre to be so sure

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  70. I just wish more "rappers" were like Jackson and knew they are just the person who raps, not a rapper. Most of the rappers who are praised by their fandoms are so mediocre it is laughable. Bland lyrics that are used all the time, poor flow, cringe-worthy wordplay...the list goes on. To be honest, I'm certain if you took half of the "talented" rappers in from other groups and put them in an SM group, most people who are their fans would bash them.

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  71. You are talking about idol rapper.

    Korean rapper can rap better than American rapper here. There are idol rapper who can rap but don't need to be a idol rapper.

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  72. Hahaha are you Guest?
    I'm sure you know which Guest I'm talking about.

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  73. Pop songs with rap in it and hip hop .. two different things ..

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  74. I think this RAP songs from are idols are refreshing! Here's the thing if this people who are enjoying this want real hip hop they also have that in their own country & own language! This the same with how they are shoving the throats IDOLS being on the spotlight always BUT the thing is that IDOLS are shining-shimmering-splendid that International K-POP enjoy the most!! We have our own musician too..


    BIGBANG TOP says:"People are always biased & criticizing IDOLS in everything when in fact they are the biggest contributor who brings foreign currency in KOREA!"

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  75. What is this, didn't YG put Hip Hop on the map? With all his swag artist. My name is T to the A to the.... is iconic.

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  76. Not just him, there are some "hep hap" groups around praised for their rapping and I just sit there and listen to them like. ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°) Then again, I can't really expect much from a bunch of people who consider this "play hard" rap in a language they don't understand superior to its original roots.

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  77. They probably just discovered how easy on the eyes he is. LOL

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  78. What does constitute a good rapper than? Actually really curious and interested in the answer

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  79. It's sad, but this is more than likely true lmao. If he looked like Swings I doubt he'd be mentioned.

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  80. It didnt meet my expectations..

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  81. Today's Fact: TOP was an underground rapper under the the name Tempo before joining YG Entertainment

    In saying that, TOP is definitely an idol rapper to me. His style of rap is different to other idols but I would definitely not rank him with other KHipHop rappers.

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  82. I was actually banned previously, so this is the only account I can comment with since it was lifted. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

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  83. Olltii charts occasionally with his singles after SMTM though? And okasian... i wouldnt want him representing hip hop in any way lmfao

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  84. [+24, -2] What we as the mainstream know isn't real hip hop

    Hip Hop a style of popular music of US black and Hispanic origin, featuring rap with an electronic backing.

    Those 'songs' is still under Hip hop like a subculture within a culture. Like how people divided it into two: mainstream and underground. Still falls under one category. It's still hip hop. B-boy dancing...hip hop. loose shorts... hip hop..culture...

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  85. Hip-Hop has been mainstream since the days of Jinusean & 1TYM. It's just that now underground rappers are finally seeing some recognition, but it's still just a handful of them.

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  86. Yea, rap has been gaining traction even before SMTM3 and unpretty. The only songs that get somewhat successful though are just pop songs with rap like San E's latest title track.

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  87. TatianaJoseph9620May 15, 2015 at 11:32 PM

    Idol rap is not hip hop, it's barely even rap. A lot of "underground khiphop" is just hopping on to popular trends in the hip hop landscape or just doing their best imitation . Just look at the Swings diss records after Kendrick put out control. Or the use of trap beats.

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  88. Lyrics, flow, beats, LYRICS, originality, LYRICS, creativity, and lyrics again.

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  89. Agreed. I don't know why KPOP fans think an underground rapper past = good. Lol.

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  90. Lol that's something to boast about.

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  91. Barely though. And all the songs that have charted are features or collaborations with other idols / artists. Before SMTM, no one apart of K-hiphop listeners knew who he was.

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  92. TatianaJoseph9620May 15, 2015 at 11:34 PM

    Frank oceans not hip hop, he's RnB.

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  93. I hope you're not judging from title tracks that are meant to attract fangirls rather than the entire albums/mixtapes.

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  94. are you talking about Doom Dada? Cuz other than that, TOP is way more than a deep voice fat talk rapper. But yes, he is not hip hop nor he is one of the biggest rappers.

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  95. The fact that they uses a jimin picture feels like bait loool

    On that note, any original korean hip hop artist will never enter mainstream. At least not within the next 20 years. They just dont have a big enough audience, or enough good tracks with actual meaning worth to be called hip hop and not just rap.

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  96. no disrepsect to hispanics and latin@s, but hip hop is just african american origin.

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  97. I have listened to multiple full albums of the idols I am thinking of. Even their tracks renowned for being "AMAZING." Cyphers and all. Next.

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  98. TatianaJoseph9620May 15, 2015 at 11:38 PM

    Then that would make records like Bang Bang or Dark Horse hip hop but their not.

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  99. But 301849 or w/e the heck irs called did pretty well, and iT was solo. I'm not saying he has recognition, but his songs still chart a good while.

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  100. Hihi. Why do i feel like your statement is a "blind item." And when someone reacts or drops name, you can just say "if the shoe fits wear it." 😉

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  101. No, they didnt, and that line is not iconic.

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  102. partynextdoor ♡May 15, 2015 at 11:40 PM

    Verbal Jint, he's an amazing rapper. His lyrics and everything, my favourite song from him is You Deserve Better.

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  103. Am I the only one waiting for R&B to become more popular than hip-hop in Korea? Outside of like Crush and Zion.T most upcoming R&B acts in Korea are paid DUST. I think it's an area where Korean acts could shine instead of the plethora of try-hard ass rappers that are spawning left and right.

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  104. He did what rappers do all the time, insult other rappers. But since it was "triggering" and "homophobic" to the international BTS fans(TUMBLRITEEEEES), it caused a huge stir. Not on his side for what he said, but you know how things go. I could take them more seriously if their bias group wasn't problematic in terms of racism, homophobic and ableist remarks in their own right lol.

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  105. I think people would tell you hip hop, but I dont like him so I would insinuate insultinf him by referring to him as simply rap And not a hip hop artist(even though i would be wrong in that regard)

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  106. whenever anyone mentions ~real hip hop~ I have war flashbacks to that one time I had to sit through an hour long presentation about the origin of peace, love, and hip hop this kid Terry made.

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  107. Yes, I feel like they don't understand hip hop. Hip hop isn't about swag

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  108. Yup rap music is very trendy these days but not hip hop

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  109. Lol that's true. I'm not a fan of Nicki Minaj but I'll admit her lyrics are clever

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  110. Yeah I still can't get over her verse in Monster...so good

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  111. I would love to see a female R&B Korean group along the lines of TLC in America

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  112. what does BTS doing problematic shit have to do with negating b-free's problematic shit? you can call both people out. but it doesn't sound like you're that interested in that. way to put "homophobic" and "triggering" in quotes lmao. here's a fact: what he said WAS homophobic. you don't need the quotes ;)


    if you want to defend b-free because you think he's a more pure rapper (l o l), then say it what it is instead of projecting your motives onto other fans.

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  113. Maybe, but idk if they are ready for the backlash that will come when int fans get ahold of them being referred to as "black soul" singers lmfao

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  114. "Korean rapper can rap better than American rapper"

    Oh, I can think of a few examples that nullifies this statement. Kendrick Lamar? Nas? J.Cole? 2Pac?

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  115. meanwhile rock genre is still underrated in korea..

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  116. I hold this (the original rap and hip-hop) genre close to my heart so I don't really feel much for khiphop/not amused by it...I don't think I'll ever feel that way because it's not my story...I can't relate...
    Rap and Hiphop is not just a trend!!!!!!

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  117. People don't give Nicki enough credit for her lyrics and dope flow. Her music might not be everyone's taste but theres no doubt that she's a good rapper

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  118. lol kpop fans are jumping ship verbal jint cause his look

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  119. A lot of "rappers" in SM know they're not really rappers.

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  120. what makes them better? just curious

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  121. One thing I hate about the hip hop trend is that everything sounds the same. Every song is loud 808's and trap beats. I wouldn't be so against it if there was some diversity in the sound.

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  122. YESSS QUEEN NICKI ok seriously I love her ngl... she said(s) some stupud stuff here and there, and her promo singles may not be every suburban mom's cup of tea, but her b-side tracks are so good seriouslyyyy. romans revenge was her worst album forget it exists and her discography is PERFECT.

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  123. I think it's because she comes out with good songs like Pills N Potion, then comes out with horrible ones like Stupid ho

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  124. Jackson Wang: "I am not a rapper. I'm just a person who raps."


    And this is why I like the guy. He knows himself that he is not a "rapper". Glad he can see the difference between throwing out raps and actually being a rapper.

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  125. TatianaJoseph9620May 15, 2015 at 11:49 PM

    Young thugs calls his homies 'bae' hubby and lovers. He also wears dresses and says things like he's "smoking dicks". If that isn't gay I don't know what is.

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  126. rap stands for Rhythm and Poetry
    For me a good rapper is someone who has a good story but not everybody is into that kind of rap
    it's all subjective

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  127. They jump ship in 2015... where were u guys in 2011 when he needed $$$$....:(

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  128. I didn't say they didn't. I'll edit my comment and list them if it'll make you sleep better tonight.

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  129. Yup. Pop with rap is just like Justin Bieber's "Baby" ft. Ludacris' rap, lol.

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  130. who are the Korean rappers you're talking about?

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  131. Jackson knows his reality. i used to hate him, but I like him now because he learns from his mistakes if called out for it.

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  132. TatianaJoseph9620May 15, 2015 at 11:51 PM

    Is YG even really hip hop. A lot of it is very watered down.

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  133. oh no I didn't mean it like that lol...I was just agreeing with you that they admit they suck at rapping

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  134. also she dominates every song that she's featured on. When your verse shits on both Kanye and Jay z's on a track you know your good

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  135. i'll put the kettle onMay 15, 2015 at 11:53 PM

    I miss Jazzyfact :(

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  136. and ppl should now too that not all of the underground hiphop or rappers are good. ugh i cant with someone who think they are ungoldy good. just bcs he/she used to be underground and now in mainstream/major/being idol that doesnt mean they are that good just bcs they get underground label on them

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  137. Try MC Sniper too, he's really good.

    as for what makes a good rapper, it's exactly as @poop said. Lyrics and flow really matter, being a good rapper takes as much skill as being a good singer. It's just that it is a different kind of skill.

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  138. A Private PersonMay 15, 2015 at 11:55 PM

    meh i dont understand why people are acting as if their taste is the only thing good out there. stop acting like music is something that can be universally agreed on. people like what they like and dislike what they dislike. your definition of a good rapper could be someone else's definition of a bad one. your definition of a good genre could be someone else's most disliked genre.


    and i'm seeing someone discuss rnb as a good genre for kpop to branch into and personally i can't stand most rnb music and would fly off kpop's radar until the trend shifts again, then there's someone who wants the rock genre to be more popular and i would love that however i'm aware not a lot of people would be on that wave either.


    it's fine to state your opinion, don't state is as fact.

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  139. I dunno about that, but even knetz stated that Jinusean isn't a hip-hop group and that neither of their members can actually rap, lol.

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  140. One more time for the people in the back!!!
    Some tumblr post have been going in on Dok2 lately!
    It's quite funny, lol

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  141. Hip hop is an entire cultural movement that started in the 1970s in NYC. Rap is only one of the four or more facets comprising this movement and it's a way of verbally expressing yourself.

    Anyone can rap to a beat but hip-hop as a culture and hip-hop as a genre are 2 very different things.

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  142. He is really honest and that's why I have a lot of respect for him. When the blackface incident occurred on his Instagram, he took it down and apologized directly on his Instagram to his followers saying that he won't do that again. He does not brush it off like a lot of idols do.


    His honesty and awareness truly makes him one of the best in the idol industry in my books.

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  143. But SM stans praise that SM rookie kid and chanyeol they have sexy deep voice lol

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  144. that's how you know who's lame. it's usually rappers like drake who jump on the latest trend and then everybody copies each other

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  145. Underground =/= good

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  146. Exactly. We love his voice.

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  147. thats because they're sm stans tho. If they dont eat out the bum of every sm artist then how else can they call themselves a full company stan?

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  148. lol I can't understand people like that

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  149. I also hate the fashion trend too. Some of them, especially idols, are still wearing HBA hypebeast shit, oversized snapbacks and fake gold chains like they're killing the game. No originality at all.

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  150. Eh, they're mostly praised as being top rappers for SM not as rappers in general.

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  151. TatianaJoseph9620May 15, 2015 at 11:58 PM

    It was also birthed out of the civil rights and is the language an oppressed group. In the same way that Blues, jazz, rock n roll, r n b and funk was at one point for blacks.

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  152. My problem with hip-hop in Korea is that some of these folks don't understand that they don't have to appropriate black culture to be a rapper.

    Rapping is just verbally expressing yourself to a piece of music...you don't see spoken word artists going around pretending they're hip-hop just because they speak rhymes to a mic

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  153. They're just good for carrying out the flow of the song lol

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  154. people are going to come at you for saying "rappers" QUICK!! change it to "the members who rap" !!!!

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  155. Yes!!! Bumkey does it best, really...(Sorry guys, haha)
    Bumkey before all the drug stuff literally made me toooo excited!
    R&b is just all around a great genre and it just makes you melt

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  156. they just plain suck... it seems like they don't even know what they're doing lol

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  157. I think the issue with that is that it's not even hard to be a top rapper in sm lol. Like, im not saying sm needs to have good rappers, because that area isnt even their focus, im just saying it could be better if their current roster tried a little harder lol

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  158. ...LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Okaay!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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  159. Yea, that's kinda what I meant haha. The bar is so low for SM artists then any kind of skill stands out.

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  160. so what? at least he's being recognized.

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  161. Thats why i like artists like leessang

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  162. the thing is that I don't even think they associate themselves as rappers...they just do what they're told

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  163. TatianaJoseph9620May 16, 2015 at 12:00 AM

    Whenever I thing of YG and hip hop the first thing that pops into my head is bobby saying not showering is hip hop.

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  164. Well now you have to list names.

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  165. Yeah like on a radio show during "The Boys" era they said they were really embarrassed but tried their best to pull it off. So I don't get why people bring up SM rappers as an example of bad idol rappers cause they don't consider themselves to even be rappers.

    Like in this vid a fan asks Yoona to rap and she said she never even received any training whatsoever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y66TVE8JYPI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y66TVE8JYPI

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  166. lol I should go try out for them, i'll be a star

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  167. Yup, they generally call themselves a singer or dancer, at the most they say that they rap in the group not that they are a rapper. SM idols are mostly self-aware regarding their rapping ability so I kinda just laugh whenever people diss them for it as if they don't know already.

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  168. they don't. they're puppets.

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  169. right I'm sitting here with a pen and paper like

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/joetj/Gifs/1907467_938020679564963_5778130256330446175_n_zpsgvp7kyru.jpg

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  170. Well most of you (us) can't get the best of both world. For me, I'd like to go where I can make some money for my creativity (basic things public loves), but still make some times for the real me pieces. But yeah, we have to sacrifices thing at some point of our life, I'm sure rappers do too. We can't just say one person style is better than the other. Its their choices afterall .

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  171. TatianaJoseph9620May 16, 2015 at 12:03 AM

    Is funny because a big no no in hip hop is biting someone's style which seams to be rampant in idol rap.

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  172. The issue with that though, is that based on your definition of rap, 2/3 of "rappers" in korea (idols and some signed rappers) are all doing it wrong. They're not even saying anything worth listening to let alone writing it themselves. I actually dont think the appropriation and mockery will ever stop tbh at least not until america starts fixing their shit (racially) then maybe the blackaboo rappers in korea will see its not all peaches and cream.

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  173. Yes please! I'm a big bumkey fan but that drug case might make him more hesitant to release songs....

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  174. Leessang has produced a lot of really great quality hip-hop songs in their career. Still awaiting their return as a duo 😊

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  175. Dok2 needs to stop pretending he's about that life and focus his attention on nvesting in a Bosley hair treatment

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  176. exactly, everybody knows sm know nothing about hip hop and they don't act like they do

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  177. Wait, how can you even hate Jackson? Just curious lol

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  178. omg his voice is heaven

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  179. The cringe is real

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  180. But who is willing to live for their creativity and be real to what is important to them, without succumbing to the wants of other people? Is that not belitting the freedom of yourself as an artist? I think this question is the reason why its important for artists, especially hip hop artists, to be true to themselves. Going mainstream is almost insulting the meaning of having artistic freedom through this genre of liberation and expression. Thats why people get pissed off at rappers who go mainstream for the money.

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  181. TatianaJoseph9620May 16, 2015 at 12:08 AM

    You could even throw drake into that mix. He definitely has a unique sound and some pretty great bars.

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  182. Kanye too, especially his old stuff

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  183. There needs to be a beyond scared straight type variety show where all these try hard hep hap rappers spend a week in east compton

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  184. I miss Comeback Season Drake.

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  185. YG IS A HIP HOP COMPANY!! CL IS A REAL RAPPER WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE!1!!1!1

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  186. TatianaJoseph9620May 16, 2015 at 12:10 AM

    😂😂😂 YES!!!!

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  187. Same here, I know Gary is in preparations to do a solo come back but leessang has been doing a lot of performances recently such as the Yonsei performance from yesterday. The crowd seriously goes insane for them.
    I'm just happy their music gets recognized, their huge in Korea

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  188. You're right. And I guess I am saying the ones who do it that way ARE all doing it wrong. Some of them do get it though and hopefully those are the rappers leading the genre in Korea in the future.

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  189. Is this real? Is this comment real? Have I really seen what I think I've seen...?

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Dch8c7DsFxk/SWmRpwDaXvI/AAAAAAAAADY/Al0PWQjlm-o/s400/PrayingForYouLittleGirl.gif

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  190. BTS ,Block B under YG

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  191. Wait, is Gdragon considered "good"?

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  192. idontlikeyoualotMay 16, 2015 at 12:12 AM

    His old stuff used to set off fireworks in my head man. He had so much heart and hunger back then and now it's all about $$$$$ lol

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