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Tuesday, May 5, 2015

JYP's 'Sixteen' survival, how far is too far?


Article: 'Sixteen', this is just going too far... JYP's debut battle is more cruel than YG

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1. [+4,881, -152] Even if they're a minor team, I don't think it's fair to purposely give them a small, smelly dorm with trash strewn around it.

2. [+3,779, -381] You could really feel the tension between the members. Even if it isn't explicitly spoken, you can tell that a woman's true enemy is another woman.

3. [+3,044, -52] Dividing them as major and minor... such a cruel survival battle indeed. Not one for the average person to endure.

4. [+3,176, -624] One thing's for sure and it's that the members are lower in skill level compared to YG trainees. I expected something of 'Win' or 'Mix & Match' level ㅠㅠ but they all need to work a bit harder

5. [+657, -29] I don't think competition of this level is good for girl groups. For guy groups, sure they'll compete and everything but they'll be cool with each other once it's all done and over but girls tend to hold on to grudges longer. I feel like the better member will be the target of jealousy and bullying... and I'm a girl myself, I'm not trying to put girls down but isn't that how it jus tis?

6. [+608, -10] I wonder if teams that are made like this even have any friendships or loyalty ㅠㅠㅠ

7. [+437, -41] I felt bad for Ji Hyo. She was so cute when she was younger but grew uglier with her cheekbones growing out and everything ㅠ She doesn't look like a girl group member at all, she looks old.

8. [+431, -49] Even if you put idols through all this tough competition, I find that they're not all that talented even after they debut... I mean, you look at the Wonder Girls and their talents weren't all that outstanding..

9. [+317, -10] Training for 10-15 years doesn't matter when you have kids like Suzy who trained for a few months doing better than the longest trainees like G. Soul

10. [+299, -27] I actually like the tension. It might seem cruel but this is a great opportunity in the end for the trainees to get their faces and names out there. They have nothing to lose from it. Even if they don't debut, they get recognition out of it and can debut in another agency if all else fails. There are so many ex-JYP trainees in the industry so the opportunities are obviously there. They're all young and pretty so fighting! There are many paths to take even if it's not this debut so I hope they don't forget that they're still young flowers with much time left to bloom!

11. [+232, -4] YG provided their trainees with psychologists for their survival competition, I think JYP needs to do this too... Like, do they really need to promote all of this heated competition even after seeing that DSP trainee who commit suicide? Guys make up easily after fights but it's different for girls...

12. [+215, -21] I honestly think it's going too far with kids who haven't even debuted yet. Different cars, different dorms, and even their training periods... For a company that emphasizes their great training tactics, I don't think this reflects that.

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118 comments:

  1. i'm scared to watch the survival ;;
    i cannot handle these things-

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  2. i hate this kind of survival show

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  3. It's for pure publicity. But yea. I pity the girls. Stay strong!

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  4. YG you started all this shit

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  5. 11. [+232, -4] YG provided their trainees with psychologists for their survival competition, I think JYP needs to do this too... Like, do they really need to promote all of this heated competition even after seeing that DSP trainee who commit suicide? Guys make up easily after fights but it's different for girls.



    I believe they already do that. Don't they?

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  6. 1. [+4,881, -152] Even if they're a minor team, I don't think it's fair to purposely give them a small, smelly dorm with trash strewn around it. I AGREE. Also i didn't like the look some girls gave to Mina and certain girls who were so confident in getting in Major side when they performances lacked much... Anyways it makes the show more exciting

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  7. tbh the world is like this, cruel. That's why this survival shows were made to know their limits.

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  8. International CockroachMay 5, 2015 at 10:04 PM

    JYP has a psychologist for the trainees. I thought everyone knew that. A few of the idols have talked about it.

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  9. With these much hormones the drama that could happen between the girls just screams ANTM material.

    https://38.media.tumblr.com/742318e6f5278741f673b39ced7d9e85/tumblr_my2ha9izea1r4ak4to1_500.gif

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  10. People like watching these things, nothing's gonna stop it.

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  11. smh. I dont watch this.

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  12. Right now I'm trying to figure out who's already been picked to join a group before the show even started.......

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  13. I'm not watching this show so can someone tell me some of the things that are going on that's "too far"?

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  14. i dont like survival shows. it's like making an entertainment show out of people's pain.

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  15. Hasn't JYP already stated that the girls who wouldn't make it into this group would be in his next group? Plus, the girls would get exposure and might join another company. I really don't see anything bad about it besides it being edited by Mnet LMAO.

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  16. This screams DRAMA

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  17. Not really survival shows been around way before yg doing it lol

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  18. some of these comments talk about women like they're giant adult babies.

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  19. the only thing that screamed "too far" (and it's not even that bad tbh) was the minor team getting a trashier dorm and a training schedule/rule thing.

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  20. exactly. JYP's not gunna throw the girls away. it's for show.

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  21. They even have a contestand stage and everything. Thought it be more reality-like like 2AM/PM Hot Blood, where they are at boot camp.

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  22. This is why I don't watch this kind of shows. Just give me a heads up when the final group debuts.

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  23. Me neither lmao. I just hate watching it because the malicious editing and all... and tbh, I hate getting sad emotional over idols bc it makes me feel icky inside, and it's not like the girls have it really easy..
    I didn't realize the girls that got dropped would make it into another group though, lmao. Oops q u q

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  24. Dividing major and minor teams with different cars, dorm and training hours really seems too much. The tension is really no joke. But they all seems to gain the recognition which is a great promotion to each of them as individual

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  25. 1. [+4,881, -152] Even if they're a minor team, I don't think it's fair to purposely give them a small, smelly dorm with trash strewn around it.



    Exactly...as if being split b/w major and minor wasn't bad enough, they blatantly receive different treatment as well...at least for WIN, both teams were given good dorms.
    And putting all these girls together in one space doesn't seem like such a good idea...once everyone's cycle begins to match up, it's not going to be pretty...

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  26. "4. [+3,176, -624] One thing's for sure and it's that the members are lower in skill level compared to YG trainees. I expected something of 'Win' or 'Mix & Match' level ㅠㅠ but they all need to work a bit harder"
    This is one funny comment
    M&m had the worst trainees ever
    Srsly how did chanwoo win ?
    Compare sixteen to m&m is just ridiculous

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  27. I don't know why people are so scared of drama I mean really it's their job as entertainers to provide this type of stuff for people to talk about and I don't think the girls mind this show otherwise they won't do it in the first place

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  28. I only hate Mnet malicious editing

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  29. "In JYP, we raise nice kids." - JYP

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  30. I'll watch it only because mnet will edit everything making the whole program a huge drama
    Goooooo

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  31. I'm still a bit sensitive to idol competition shows after what happened to Sojin from Baby Kara. JYPE needs to understand that majority of these girls are underrage, very young minors. I'd rather he train them quietly than pit them against one another like this. These shows IMO should only be for adults...

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  32. The stuff about women being children who hold on to grudges is ridiculous. But I still think we should be seriously considering whether we should continue with survival shows.


    I know many groups in Kpop today, like Big Bang and VIXX, were formed using the survival show concept, but after Sojin's suicide, shouldn't we be questioning whether it's okay to continue with this style of show? I don't want to see any more suicides.

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  33. Go back to instagram, TOP.

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  34. I just read the sign, and minors can only practice from 9pm~9am.
    Sleep deprivation turns you into a real bitch, let me tell you

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  35. Wow that's kinda harsh for girls, don't treat them differently like that

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  36. sorry but how is that nayeon girl in the major group? she can't sing and her dancing is so average...

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  37. We know JYP's history. For this kind of show, it's actually better to get eliminated because you'll be more popular and successful than those who made the geoup.

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  38. except the women on ANTM are adults and not minors....

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  39. The problem I'm starting to see is that they ARE all very young, and the times for that the minor groups get to practice is kinda awful..
    But tbvh, every single member will end up debuting in one group or another... so. Compromise, I guess. it's nice to get their name out there

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  40. The reason I can't watch it ;;

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  41. Im rooting for the original 6mix + dahyun
    I like Jungyeon the most...boyish vibe!! :D

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  42. Who really knows for sure. Look at Sojin who was training for years and expected to debut and suddenly they let her go. I still think it's inappropriate to be promoting these girls to this extent, especially since they're still so young.

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  43. Honestly watching shows like these are my guilty pleasure, except that in nearly all of them the contestants were given a taste of what it's like to be a star-- luxury treatment, nice place to live in, expensive things and all that. How are the other girls going to perform equally if they have a crappy living situation?

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  44. I was really surprised when the minor team got to their dorm and there was...literally just a random piece of poop on the shelf???? lmao like wtf.

    Also the major team gets to use the practice room from 9am-9pm and the minor team gets to use it from 9pm-9am, which really sucks. They're already at a disadvantage.

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  45. "Enemy of woman is another woman"

    Please..
    Stop saying this kind of bullshit.

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  46. 4. [+3,176, -624] One thing's for sure and it's that the members are lower in skill level compared to YG trainees. I expected something of 'Win' or 'Mix & Match' level ㅠㅠ but they all need to work a bit harder



    ??? Momo wrecks every main dancer in other groups ???

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  47. [+3,779, -381] You could really feel the tension between the members. Even if it isn't explicitly spoken, you can tell that a woman's true enemy is another woman.



    wish that wasn't the case but it's so true...

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  48. Never feel bad for celebrities, remember that? It's a fricken reality show anyways, just watch for the fun of it.

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  49. In Korea, YG pretty much popularized it with idols. There are no other companies who have been as successful as YG, and that's why we are seeing more of it now.

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  50. I do see where you're coming from, and agree in most aspects..
    But also as a Korean, I can see why many of the netizens/viewers may be more cold/systematic for things like this ;; It's in our culture that we're supposed to kinda suck it up and work for success orz.
    The thing is though, JYPE is so much more known, and they can't really kick out any of the members unless the member actually screws something up, because so many eyes are on JYP through this. DSP was much smaller, and I didn't even know they had a Baby Kara thing going on at the time, so the trainees after the competition just... faded away

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  51. Major team can take a celebrity car meanwhile minor team take a bus
    Major team have a nice dorm meanwhile minor a small smelly one
    Minor team have to practice more than major team

    Major team girls have to maintain their spots but minor team have to stole it

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  52. there are some who truly deserve our sympathies. Not all celebrated people are talentless narcasists.

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  53. And they're all minors so this is going to screw with their sleep cycle + body functions.
    sighs

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  54. "It's in our culture that we're supposed to kinda suck it up and work for success orz."


    no offense but I'm sure this mindset has a lot to do with the suicide rates being so high....

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  55. Please,you don't even know them.

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  56. Cannot wait for finals to end so I can indulge in this

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  57. [+317, -10] Training for 10-15 years doesn't matter when you have kids like Suzy who trained for a few months doing better than the longest trainees like G. Soul



    y some still don't get that G.Soul choose to train longer n he doesn't like popularity that much...
    I still remmber how he is avoidin camera during an eps of RealMissA. fame is just not his priority.

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  58. Reminds me of the T-ara situation.

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  59. why shouldn't we feel bad for them? idols have shown time and time again what bullshit they have to endure (eating disorders, sexual abuse, working under horrible conditions, depression/self harm/suicide) so

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  60. reality show will give them exposure. chill.

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  61. would be more true if they said Min tho

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  62. Yeah right JungYeon did caught my eyes. She got the swag!

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  63. None taken, because I'm sure there is. We're a lot less sentimental and more focused on kinda shallow things (attended college, appearances, etc.), so we do get up in the ranks for achievements in the sciences, maths, technologies, etc. but also a lot for suicide, depression in teens, etc.
    It sucks

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  64. I think Jihyo should've had her spot tbh.

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  65. So minors can't have major attitudes?

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  66. gotta love this crazy girl

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXk6rAR6vp4





    XD

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  67. ... I never got to meet and see Rise and Eunbi behind the camera but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have felt bad for them. I also never met Demi Lovato, but I still felt bd for her when news came out that she had to go to rehab for bulliemia.

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  68. My only problem with the show is that since there are sixteen girls, their individual performances were cut down to the point where there really wasn't enough shown to form impressions. Hopefully that will change when they start doing group performances?

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  69. Drama make every reality show more interesting... Mnet not that stupid to make a bland show...

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  70. edited by mnet, they alway like to put tension in their show. Especially in SMTM and UR.

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  71. !!! I agree. I didn't think it was really fair. I wish they would atleast upload their full performances on YT or something. The biased-screen time is really obvious. The younger girls barely got 30sec out of the 1 hr show.

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  72. ... what is this
    is this the extent of these girls' talents???
    whAt??
    i didnt watch so i dont know what this is but-
    um,,

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  73. Ummm didn't JYP do the first survival show with "Hot-Blooded Men"????????? 2AM and 2PM?????

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  74. [+3,779, -381] You could really feel the tension between the members.
    Even if it isn't explicitly spoken, you can tell that a woman's true
    enemy is another woman.

    Oh can we stop perpetuating this nonsense? There's tension because their company made it happen, not because ~woman's greatest enemy is another woman~

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  75. There are four possibilities that I see after this show. Debut and be like WG during their Tell Me days, debut and end up like Suzy, debut and end up like Suzy's members OR debut and end up like Park Jimin, Yerin, Bernard Park and Ahyeon who were put in the back burner despite their talent. I hope those won't happen. I want JYP's girl group to succeed as a GROUP.

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  76. In this kind of shows we get to see idols real personalities 👍👍

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  77. I don't know if that's what they were insinuating

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  78. 11. [+232, -4] YG provided their trainees with psychologists for their survival competition, I think JYP needs to do this too... Like, do they really need to promote all of this heated competition even after seeing that DSP trainee who commit suicide? Guys make up easily after fights but it's different for girls...

    JYP already provides psychologist for them since their trainee days. They also have the class for their mental health. They know that training period is really hard. So, they provides the psychologist since their 1st day of training. That's why you can see the mentality of JYP idols are different compared to others. Just because they didn't show it doesn't mean they didn't have one

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  79. JYP probably favors her. I heard she's gonna be the new "IT" girl after Suzy, and Sohee

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  80. ikr.. many people said she will be the next it girl.. but nothing special from her...

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  81. shouldn't they just give rewards and not punishments. from the cap where it says the losing team has to practice at night and the comments about the housing seems harsh. some of girls are definitely fillers for the show, they won't be debuting in the group but they still have to try really hard. seems fruitless. i know jyp said the remaining members will debut eventually but i don't see it. it'll either be too long and some will leave or it'll yearsss later.

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  82. Bald Mr.WorldwideMay 5, 2015 at 10:31 PM

    Why?JYP doesnt have enough practice room for two teams?

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  83. show me your bba sae

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6mTeOZm8kE

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  84. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingMay 5, 2015 at 10:32 PM

    They need to stop with these survival shows. A majority of the trainee's/artists are still practically kids. Must wreck havoc on their mental health. It doesn't need to be this cruel. There's no need for it. It's all just a shitty way to exploit kids in order to get $.

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  85. that is not at all what i was getting at, nor is it of importance to me.


    my issue is that pitting underage girls on national television to be overworked, competitive and struggling, is not "dramatic" in an entertaining way, it is in my honest opinion a bit fucked up.

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  86. This is gonna be entertaining and y'all know it. Mnet loves drama.

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  87. Yerin and Jimin is not put on back burner.
    they have tons of oppurtunities. bernard & ahyeon, unfortunately, yes.

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  88. If Cecilia and Lena didn't leave I don't think this show would exist. I wish the original line-up of 6mix members debuted :(

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  89. [+3,176, -624] One thing's for sure and it's that the members are lower in skill level compared to YG trainees. I expected something of 'Win' or 'Mix & Match' level ㅠㅠ but they all need to work a bit harder.

    Lol, when JYP trainees became a guest in WIN, people think they're more talented than YG trainees..

    Anyway, i hope YG trainees will come to Sixteen as guest to test their mentality too..

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  90. "Srsly how did chanwoo win ?"

    Editing my friend.
    People were so caught up in the personalities that the editing showed, that they forgot about the talent.

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  91. Big Bang (2006ish) had their survival documentary before 2AM/2PM (2008ish).

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  92. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141130003153/glee/images/0/00/I_see_no_lies_no_lies_detected_boom.gif

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  93. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingMay 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM

    You got it.

    http://i.imgur.com/Tw3yxX9.gif

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  94. 1. [+4,881, -152] Even if they're a minor team, I don't think it's fair to purposely give them a small, smelly dorm with trash strewn around it.

    Why the fuck are you giving any of your trainees dorms with trash thrown around? Who does that? What the hell. I swear thats gotta be illegal somehwere

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  95. doojoon didnt make it and beast isnt as successful as 2pm...so false

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  96. who knows when they are going to debut tho. It's like DSP, they said the girl will debut later but guess they scrapped the project after how bad and nugu Puretty became.

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  97. This is gonna be entertaining and y'all know it. Mnet loves drama. Specially with the amount of estrogen on this show. Lol i hope it's gonna be gold.

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  98. i believe its mnet idea to made the show interesting, if you follow the news about this show there is a picture all of them smile happily on backstage press conference. they already shoot some episode before press conference, if there is some grudge or anything will it possible? i thinks its because jyp already guaranted them if not made it this year they will debut in the next 2 years.

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  99. Beast is more successful than 2PM in Korea. I said it.

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  100. so who has been more successful than god, wonder girls and rain at their peak besides IU(who actually never a trainee in the first place)?

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  101. Big Bang was formed through a survival show? This is news to me.

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  102. Jimin is hosting ASC. She even released an album. But before all of these, they were nowhere. 'Sugar' was an awesome song yet they didn't promote that much. I haven't heard anything from Yerin either. Except for that time she feature on Yuk Jidam's track. Bernard and Ahyeon are real gems though. Dunno what JYPE is doing with them.

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  103. regretfully there is a lot minor on audition program.

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  104. But even Beast at there peak were not as successful as 2pm in Korea when hit they hit there peak, just saying no hate though...

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  105. Isn't that the premise of the show? To pit the girls against each other with the hopes of joining the new girl group?

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  106. Big Bang Documentary. Hyunseung (now in Beast) was the member that didn't make it (because YG thought he looked odd in their group picture... I facepalmed.)

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  107. IU was never a trainee...

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  108. lol iu wasnt a trainee JYP juss passed her up..

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  109. jyp made ygs survival show less harsh with what they are doing to these girls

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  110. ppl get uglier when their cheekbones grow out? is it so bad to have some facial structure T_T i'm asian and i have high cheekbones, and i'm really proud of them, even if i know they don't fit the asian standard of beauty. it's only natural that ppl stop looking like babies when they actually grow up lol

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  111. They weren't visible in public but went on radio show and music festivals (at high school & university). Sugar is an awesome song which sadly did not receive public interest.
    Yerin is also gaining fans for her fashion. And her covers is well liked. Jimin sadly lose her momentum and are seen as the funny member, despite being just as talented as yerin.

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  112. the show and the society is doing just that trying to pit women against each other for entertainment

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