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Tuesday, November 11, 2014

Seo Jisoo postpones LOVELYZ promotions due to being in a state of shock


Article: LOVELYZ Seo Jisoo decides to defer promotions... "Dangerous psychological condition"

Source: OSEN via Naver

1. [+8,472, -190] More like she can't promote ㅋㅋ

2. [+8,284, -149] ㅋㅋㅋ Are they sure it's not her team members who are in a dangerous psychological condition ㅋㅋㅋ

3. [+5,733, -128] I'd be more worried about the psychological conditions of the other members and their parents. If the rumors end up being true, they've basically been living with a sex criminal all along.

4. [+5,720, -128] I really want to get to the bottom of this...

5. [+1,402, -39] I really don't understand how she thought she could debut all innocently after doing all that ㅋㅋ

6. [+1,329, -44] Shouldn't it be the victims who are unstable right now? ㅋㅋ She probably can't promote because the rumors are true ^^

7. [+1,222, -33] What do they mean she's unstable right now? They're the ones that said she'd confidently comply with all investigations to make sure that the people claiming to be victims are prosecuted. Now that public sentiment is turning on her, are they media playing to take her out of the group?

8. [+1,159, -26] Obviously they're going to quietly kick her out later

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Article: Seo Jisoo will not attend LOVELYZ showcase, postpones promotions "Psychological shock right now"

Source: Newsen via Nate

1. [+319, -8] It's not Seo Jisoo who should be shocked right now but us, the people who had to read about her rumors ㅡㅡ Exactly how do you have to be raised to do all those things at such a young age.

2. [+277, -12] I always assumed most rumors to be based off of haters and journalists looking to stir things up but this feels different. The public should be the ones shocked right now. She should be suing and revealing the truth or is she media playing like this because she's afraid of a counter suit? Newsen's always been known for helping out with media play. She should be suing right now. I'm always a skeptic when it comes to rumors but reading this one makes me have a feeling that they're true. If the rumors end up being revealed to be false later, then I'll apologize and be a fan of her for the rest of my life.

3. [+170, -4] So is she suing or not?

4. [+35, -1] Whether or not the rumors are true, for a kid who hasn't even debuted yet to be involved in this kind of gossip... makes me wonder just how crazy her life has been up to this point/

5. [+35, -2] If this was just a rumor, they'd already have articles saying they found the culprits and that they're crying at the police station and apologizing to Seo Jisoo. When are they going to catch them? The police are usually fast when it comes to these cases...

6. [+27, -2] So the rumors are true then? If she had nothing to hide, then she should be out and showing that she's determined to find the culprit but instead she's "in psychological shock"? Did the company expect the public to be like, "Oh poor girl, whatever are we to do ㅠㅠ" ??

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417 comments:

  1. I want to know the truth, the real truth :(

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  2. Woolim should just take her out of the group. Save the other girls!

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  3. imo woollim needs to kick her out regardless the rumours true or not, her image is already damaged, there's no way to revive it

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  4. [+1,159, -26] Obviously they're going to quietly kick her out later
    ^^^^ basically.

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  5. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingNovember 11, 2014 at 11:36 PM

    Considering they don't know whether the rumours are true or not, netizens need to shut the fuck up.

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  6. Even if the rumors are true or not, I hope she's ok.

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  7. If Jisoo is telling the truth these girls who made up these stories need help.
    If the "victims" are telling the truth Jisoo will still win cuz her company has power. I dont know what to believe anymore and the police wont probably do shit.

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  8. The most important thing here is for the truth to come out. Whether the truth sides the alleged victim/s or the alleged abuser, TRUTH NEEDS TO COME OUT.

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  9. Hopefully Jisoo doesn't turn to self harm because of this. Think about if you were being wrongly accused like this how that must feel...

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  10. 3. [+5,733, -128] I'd be more worried about the psychological conditions
    of the other members and their parents. If the rumors end up being
    true, they've basically been living with a sex criminal all along.


    Yes, if it's true they're in danger

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  11. [+5,720, -128] I really want to get to the bottom of this...



    Same here netizen, same here.

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  12. 2. [+8,284, -149] ㅋㅋㅋ Are they sure it's not her team members who are in a dangerous psychological condition ㅋㅋㅋ

    THIS!

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  13. as opposed to the FALSE truth?

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  14. I don't know who is the victim here, jisoo or people that say she's a victim.

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  15. no as opposed to the countless RUMORS

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  16. Lovelyz aren't postponing their promotions, only Jisoo is.


    Nobody is translating the articles on the police progress, I really want to know what they say.

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  17. I guess they will kick her out later. Poor girl. I couldn't careless lol

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  18. She doesn't promote but still is a part of the group. So the other girls have to deal with her mess. Woollim did a really good job

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  19. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingNovember 11, 2014 at 11:38 PM

    If Jisoo is telling the truth I feel horrible for her. This shit has literally ruined her potential career. If it's true, I feel no sympathy. Honestly I'm just trying to stay neutral. I doubt the Korean law system would punish her. At least not harshly. You can do anything in Korea and get away with it :/

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  20. I wonder if the police would do anything if the rape victims reached out to them. ~

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  21. THEY WOULDNT DO ANYTHING, if they gave murders 5 to 6 years, rape victims will get nothing.

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  22. i saw some post about how all evidence is fake and giving reasonable explanations but who knows, either way her image is pretty much fucked up

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  23. Woolim have still not learn how to handle scandals it seems..

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  24. Damn, if I found out I was living with a rumored sex criminal, I'd be super paranoid.

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  25. The police are investigating this, just wait until it's sorted out through them before making accusations. Everybody is so quick to believe the worst, and of course it COULD be true, but we don't know for sure yet. I'd rather wait for the results of a police investigation rather than a bunch of gossipy netizens who live for scandals and rumours because they have nothing interesting going on in their own lives.

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  26. if the rumor wasn't true she must be in such a shock. imagine how long she trained, debut is just around the corner and then this happens.......

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  27. they're never gunna reveal anything though. we're never gunna get the "truth" because half the people on this site think there's not enough proof when you actually cannot completely give that evidence in rape cases unless the person confesses or there's witnesses. woollim 'investigating' this won't bring any light to this situation at all either. what truth???

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  28. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ld7bwdJ5bD1qeplj6o1_400.gif

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  29. All I know is that this is insane

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  30. why are people pointing fingers already? the rumors aren't even confirmed yet. i hope this issue to be solved asap :(

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  31. or imagine it getting out that your rapist is debuting in a girl group soon.

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  32. exactly so we will never know, but at the end of the day Jisoo and her career has been damaged so badly its hard for her to make a comeback from this.

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  33. Well yeah, but their power isn't that strong like SM&YG. Only if she was a SM or YG trainer then she'd be okay. Her life is ruined.

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  34. junsu_is_my_religionNovember 11, 2014 at 11:41 PM

    The whole thing is so complicated

    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lipj3fLOJA1qzbl7f.gif

    Obviously Woolim will leave her out amd i think thats better either way

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  35. Well looks like she's never going to debut.

    Her pre debut rumors takes the cake as the worst she's accused of crime.

    Looking back at Tara's pre debut rumors make them look like angels in comparison.

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  36. I love how people are just taking the side of the accuser with no evidence. This is what society is now. Just believe the victim because she said she was hurt even tho there's no proof

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  37. you always say this in every single story like this but the police are not the most trustworthy people. i don't know what rock you've been living under but the false levelheadedness of JUST WAIT FOR THE POLICE TO CONCLUDE INVESTIGATIONS hasn't really helped most victims in the long run for the past two years in k ent industry, has it? unless, of course, you're selling or smoking weed.

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  38. I dont think thats true, I agree the company is not as big or powerful as SM or YG but they still have power.

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  39. woolim is not doing a very good job at defending her or protecting her if she's really fallen in such state. they should nip it in the bud immediately. if the rumours are true there is no working around it, make her apologize and banish her. if they are not, what's taking so long to find these netizens? and why are there even more shit coming out?

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  40. I think this is the best thing to do right now. At this point I'm waiting to see what happens. If the rumors are true I'm really interested in seeing how this will impact woollim. Is infinite and all the other artists under woollim are going to tank or is woollim going to have to pay fines or face time for harboring a criminal. This year the kpop industry has really grown with all these scandals and other events. Is this going to be a trend for kpop or a once in a kpop lifetime thing with all the events happening over the year.

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  41. And I don't know how people expect them to. All of their scandals have been some pretty serious and unforeseeable stuff. Each case needed to be handled with care and precision. It's not like Woollim have done this many times before for them to know exactly what it is they have to do.

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  42. So basically if this isn't true, she should have her entire future and career in showbiz thrown in the garbage bin, all her years of training, just because some jerk decided to spread malicious rumours about her on the internet? Seems pretty unfair.


    If even a portion of the rumours are true she should be kicked out, but she doesn't deserve to be punished if they're false.

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  43. seo jisoo fighting...

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  44. 6. [+27, -2] So the rumors are true then? If she had nothing to hide, then she should be out and showing that she's determined to find the culprit but instead she's "in psychological shock"? Did the company expect the public to be like, "Oh poor girl, whatever are we to do ㅠㅠ" ??



    then when she did comes out, you netizens will witch hunt her to crawl back in. hypocrites.

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  45. I just hope Woolim handle this better than the way they do Tablo's.... Hope they learn how to handle things properly now....

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  46. i don't care about her damn career if she's a rapist. y'all are so worried about that and i've seen more comments about her than the victims coming forward.

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  47. I agree but I think people will constantly judge her and it will be hard for her to make it, I also think the parents of the other members will team up to kick her out because they dont want their kids around alleged "sexual abusers"

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  48. That's true but I'd still rather take the word of a police investigation over random people on the internet. Woolim is being very open about this whole situation which is good.

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  49. LOL once the truth comes out, I'll be waiting for the countless mofos that will come out saying "I knew it all along."

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  50. but the truth must be revealed

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  51. Because there's nothing on the victims themselves. We don't even know if they're really victims. People tend to sympathize with people who actually, you know, exist. Jisoo is the only girl in this case whose face people have seen.

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  52. yesterday I was doubting this after seeing some of the photos debunked but...after the new evidence (especially the audio here http://www.koreaboo.com/featured/lovelyz-jisoo-accused-of-sexual-abuse-rape-assault-and-more/) i'm beginning to change my mind again :/

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  53. Yes and if it isn'T true. who is the victim then? you suddenly will care aout her then hm?



    fucking "victims" there is no victim in this right now... get some evidence and you can start talking about victims.

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  54. Yeah, I'd be worried about the other girls as well.

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  55. the magic word is IF, we still dont know but at this point we cant say everything the victims are saying is true, even though I think its harder on them.

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  56. I feel bad for the other members...

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  57. If it turns out to be false, if I were her I would hunt those people down and make them pay and ruin their lives. She's at the doorstep of debuting after all that hard work and she can't even debut anymore bc of rumors that weren't true. It would make my blood boil. Doing all the prep work and not even getting the chance to stand on stage that's harsh.

    But if the rumors are true. Karma is a b****.

    Whatever the end result, lovelyz is getting some publicity from all this. For nugu groups, any publicity is good publicity.

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  58. Lol doesn't matter, these netizens remember EVERYTHING. Wish I had their memory, I could ace every final test ever.

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  59. Technically they're not harboring a criminal if they're complying with the police to uncover the truth.

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  60. 3. [+5,733, -128] I'd be more worried about the psychological conditions of the other members and their parents. If the rumors end up being true, they've basically been living with a sex criminal all along.

    This. Even the rumors are not true, the parents won't letting their daughter to be friended with jisoo. They won't even let the kids near Jisoo. Jisoo's career is basically done because the rumors. It will be hard for Woolim to make people believe that Jisoo is innocent--if the rumors founded to be rumors, not real. Poor girl, her career hasn't even started yet. I want to see if the rumors true or not.

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  61. You're absolutely right but she's already been condemned by the public. This will always hang over her head if she stays with the group. I don't see her being able to have a career in show biz. It's not fair (assuming the rumours aren't true) but it's just the way it'll be for her from here on out.

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  62. Sad that she's being treated like a criminal without any concrete evidence. If the accusations are true then she deserves every bit of hate she gets but as of now they are just rumors smh.

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  63. Who else are people supposed to believe? Regardless of their track record and your personal beliefs about the police they are the most reliable source.

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  64. 2. [+277, -12] I always assumed most rumors to be based off of haters and journalists looking to stir things up but this feels different. The public should be the ones shocked right now. She should be suing and revealing the truth or is she media playing like this because she's afraid of a counter suit? Newsen's always been known for helping out with media play. She should be suing right now. I'm always a skeptic when it comes to rumors but reading this one makes me have a feeling that they're true. If the rumors end up being revealed to be false later, then I'll apologize and be a fan of her for the rest of my life.



    ^
    this
    says
    it
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  65. Regardless true or not her image is totally damage...

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  66. "rather than a bunch of gossipy netizens who live for scandals and rumours because they have nothing interesting going on in their own lives."

    Yet you are a frequent visitor of this site, which thrives off of scandals and gossip.

    https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBu0NyQ9kQ8n5vtbYsi2WyYW36Gr8ox_C_M3sCdgdvit2QEDucFOAn0BY


    Agree with you but just thought this part was a bit hypocritical.

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  67. I'm not sure why people are treating this as an admission of guilt. If I had people making lies about me and basically ruining my career, i'd be pretty stressed out too. And ofc if she is guilty she must be nervous that everything's coming to light. Either way, this doesn't prove or disprove anything.

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  68. she better leave if she stays she will have another endless dangerous psychological condition.

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  69. "7. [+1,222, -33] What do they mean she's unstable right now? They're the ones that said she'd confidently comply with all investigations to make sure that the people claiming to be victims are prosecuted. Now that public sentiment is turning on her, are they media playing to take her out of the group?"


    I agree with this but at the same time I would feel bad for her if this ends up all being false. If there's enough minor truths in it then she's a horrible person.

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  70. I think the deal is that they don't know who to sue. Like, they haven't figured out yet who is behind this.

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  71. Its just creepy how most ppl are almost affirming shes guilty of what shes accused of.. some even comment like they were eyewitnesses... its normal to be all confused, siding with x or Y but man, these ppl are SO CONVINCED SHES GUILTY when we dont know much yet, its sad...

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  72. I wish there were a way to convey our sentiments to Woollim. It's clear Jisoo needs to be permanently removed from Lovelyz. She can't continue to promote with everything still up in the air the way that it is.
    People will never forget this even if it turns out to be false.
    So unfortunate the other girls have to pay for something they had no part in. They dedicated their youth for this dream, only to have it dashed before it even begins.

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  73. they should have at least learned something with Tablo or at least from the controversy surrounding the L and his girlfriend.

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  74. If its true not saying they are but what would happen to her legal wise

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  75. I think a change needs to happen though. There needs to come a point where idols can weather these false accusations against them. Even if some rumours are true without full-proof evidence I can't believe anything. It's really unfair that people can just post things online and then suddenly it becomes a fact.


    Like, does anybody that listens to K-pop both on this website and in Korea actually like the music? Or the videos? Or does everybody just like the rumours and the scandals? Serious question. Because any time I say not to attack an artist that is embroiled in some ridiculous scandal I just get hated on (not by you but in general), and I notice here the first time any rumour happens everybody is so quick to pounce and tear someone to shreds. It's really insane. I can understand if we know it's true, but what's with all the hate for things that could just be made up? It's so weird.

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  76. The site, maybe. But the user? That's different.

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  77. Next: seo jisoo drop from the group because of stress

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  78. Woolim should just not debut them yet.

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  79. It seems like they tried to stop rumors before, before the girl even debuted by threatening to sue. They shouldve nipped it in the bud. They must really like this girl.

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  80. yeah they learnt to stick by their artists when they believe they are innocent rather than kicking them out as soon as the hate turns up just to save face.
    People are just looking for reasons to hate them.

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  81. the infinite/woolim body guards are coming out.

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  82. There's a lot of evidence against her.

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  83. Nope, she will be leaving to focus on her studies....

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  84. This whole situation is really unfortunate. If it's true, then multiple people have been sexually assaulted and been pressured to hide it to keep their sexuality a secret. But if it's all false, then one innocent girl's dreams have been destroyed for no good reason. Woollim made the best decision they could under the circumstance imo.

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  85. If they aren't already, Lovelyz should just promote without her for the time being.

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  86. This is such an overdone opinion. Everyone parrots this, but what exactly is woollim supposed to do? They got flak for not supporting Tablo and now when they're showing a backbone they get criticised as well. They got the police involved and have placed Jisoo in such a position that if she is guilty she, can come back and if she is guilty she can be removed permanently. That's fine for now.

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  87. From the business view, I would prefer kick her before it's too late. Sadly, this is how it works in the industry. Why would I keep someone who has the possibility to damage the whole group. They invested a lot of money for debuting this group.

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  88. I come here for the news though, NB is really quick at posting new things. I also visit K Pop/KFans which is very positive.


    But I do agree, I should stop visiting this site. It's so hateful and any time I say anything my words are twisted, but I can't help it! NB is just too fast at posting on idols that I like lmao.

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  89. They're not the same though. Tablo's case is similar in some regards, but Tajinyo's evidence was all false, the evidence against Jisoo is so ambiguous and so overwhelming that there's still a chance it could be true. Woollim is actually taking action this time, which is more than they did before, so really this is their first time going through the process of commissioning and investigation and all that comes with it.

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  90. They are promoting without her. That is literally the headline of this post....

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  91. Why did you even comment this

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  92. That doesn't happened in real life, sadly =.='

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  93. Seriously, do they live on the same dorm? I worry about the other girls..

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  94. this is woolim's first girl group and infinite hardly had any scandals except L's crazy gf (and he got the pity points for that) so really this is a big thing for them to handle for the first time

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  95. [+319, -8] It's not Seo Jisoo who should be shocked right now but us, the people who had to read about her rumors ㅡㅡ Exactly how do you have to be raised to do all those things at such a young age.

    I'm so tired of people condemning her without HARD evidence. I haven't commented about this matter because I'm waiting for it to be fully investigated but some people are just too much. She could be in a state of stock from these downright horrid accusations if they are false. Mind you "IF" they are false. Stating that these countless rumors are true based on inconclusive evidence, is truly speculation and jumping the gun. I for one wish people would just wait, instead of being so ready to speak ill of her.

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  96. obviously woolim gonna kick her out.
    there gonna use the whole "psychological condition" to slowly kick her out
    Plus she's not even attending their showcase, that's obvious tells you what woolim planning on doing with her.

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  97. Woollim stans will be like " It's because the CEO's still young!

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  98. Well to be fair, k-netz hang on to a lot of false information, no matter how many times it's been debunked. Not too sure you'd want that for your finals :P

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  99. nope wrong agen, she will be leaving to focus on her acting

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  100. Click the link and find out

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  101. I am not comparing the two cases but that doesnt mean Woollim should be sloppy when it comes to dealing with all the hate, even if its their first time because from now on thats all people are gonna remember. even now woollim is remembered for fcking up epik high.

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  102. yes well either way this is a shock for the victim side

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  103. woolim has enough power.
    But regardless of the power, If the scandal is too big. Then shit happen and your companies power wouldn't do very much.

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  104. Lol just admit it.. You come here for the gossip and scandals as well XD


    I admit that I do.. no matter how horrible that makes me sound lol

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  105. 1. [+8,472, -190] More like she can't promote ㅋㅋ


    I feel like this is the company's way of making her look like the victim. Of course there is no proof that she did it. However, I can't help but feel like they're doing this to make it look like she's the victim of this whole thing.

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  106. LOL
    Girl, you lived for Bom scandal and enjoy pathetically her painful moment because you have nothing interesting going on in your life (just using your own words) but look at you now! hypocritical

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  107. People are placing expectation on Woollim on how they should handle this case just because it's not their first time having to deal with a scandal, but this is still their first time acting on one, legally. I wish Woollim would do things differently too, but it's not right to say they should know better. This is unlike anything they've faced before.

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  108. http://i.imgur.com/SsX0P2Z.jpg

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  109. Or reflecting for 474774848439 years

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  110. The fact that netizens are so callous about this girl's potential mental state is... :T

    Regardless of the truth of the matter, this kind of rumor mongering and trial by media would be enough to send anyone into a distressed psychological state. If it turns out she's guilty, then by all means lambast away. Otherwise, keep your yaps shut because this helps abso-fucking-lutely no one. Not the alleged victims, not Jisoo, not Woollim and not the police.

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  111. I feel sorry for the other members of LOVELYZ

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  112. Well of course I like reading all the posts but I don't get here in the comments going nuts on every idol that's accused of some stupid thing. I feel like the point of this site should be to laugh at the crazy Korean netizen comments, but now all the comments in the disqus here just mirrors what the netizens say most the time. It's as if people don't really think for themselves, they just get caught up in the negativity of the website and follow along instead of A) Just having fun and laughing at it, or B) Thinking and forming their own opinions.

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  113. if she's innocent then I want her to stay. She's already been hurt enough, kicking her out of the group could be the cherry on top which could destroy her life. If she's innocent she deserves to stay.

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  114. nope she will join snsd to replace jessica. nope? i guess too soon.

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  115. Bom scandal was seriously hilarious though. Watching people get mad over stuff that happened 4 years ago. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140909012954/degrassi/images/c/c5/Ashton-kutcher-laughing-top-10-vine-videos.gif

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  116. I stan for the kings and queens of nugudom who are constantly bashed so I know what you mean.
    People are piranhas who live for drama. It's the same for entertainment all around the world but just amplified in K-Pop because of the way fan culture is set up. Watching people fall and tearing them apart is a pastime for some people and it's unfortunate but it's the reality of the internet. It'd be nice if people would step back and look at things logically before jumping to conclusions and forming opinions but that's expecting too much. OTL.

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  117. She's leaving for sure. There's no turning back at this stage. The scandal is just too huge. She would've been shocked since she had no idea at all that all these things she did is biting back at her now.

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  118. Like what? Genuinely asking. All I've seen was text posts and selcas that are being debunked as publicly accessible or completely photoshopped.

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  119. In previous cases they have ended so much quicker, like within a few days. The fact that it's taking long makes it seem like there might actually be something behind this. With Kangho's case basically as soon as they said they were going to the police, the person came out, got contacted by CCM and then released an apology-- all within 3 days. The fact that jisooluv isn't even budging either shows she's learned the precedent and is avoiding getting harassed by a comapny, or there is actually a case that is taking long to be investigated.

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  120. If the statement they released earlier in the day is anything to go by than the PR dept at Woolim are idiots.

    There under SM, if anything worth learning from SM it's their amazing PR.

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  121. Wish you were like this during Bom's scandal.

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  122. No I totally did even though NB deleted my comment when it had lots of upvotes. But I only did it for bom because the Blackjacks had been going on for weeks writing nasty things about SNSD and other agency's scandals, so I thought it was funny that they were getting a taste of their own medicine by having one of their idols in a scandal that was way worse than anything they attacked other idols for.

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  123. The Woolim stanning is strong in this one.

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  124. This is going to hang over her head for a long time. Just look at how long it took Tablo to clear himself and get back on track. Whether or not she's guilty she should be removed so the other girls don't have their image ruined at least. If she is innocent she can sue for damages I guess.

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  125. Wow watch this all turn out to be untrue. Scumbags. Poor girl.

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  126. actually the evidence for Jisoo is all words right now. The pictures have been proven to be false. All the pictures that are scandalous doesn't have her face on it, a few of the pictures were shown to be pictures of porn stars. The butt plug was a stock photo from ebay. Personal selcas that were posted as proof that they knew her was accessible on her facebook.

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  127. Preach http://media.giphy.com/media/11lTsuHVXoQBlm/giphy.gif

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  128. Lol I agree it was really funny. Pretty much all the scandals are funny because they're so stupid, it's only sad when you stop and think about the idol being hurt by it if it's something that isn't true.

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  129. I see Woollim as a parent though. If they just plainly kick her out then that's admitting the rumors. However, if she slowly disappear from the media, then that's saving her a little so she can live a normal life later on. Woollim was quite fond of her for her charms. Also, this would also save Woollim's rep a bit...they are being pointed at keeping a sex criminal so if they were not to admit it and just have her slowly disappear, Woollim will be able to maintain their tarnished image a bit.


    THAT IS ONLY IF THE RUMORS ARE TRUE! Still, at this point, we can't be sure.

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  130. Nothing condemning though. At most the OP has only given sufficient evidence to prove they might have had a relationship.

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  131. Even if she's innocent I don't want her to stay. There's no way to reverse the damage done. I don't like that it's best for her to leave, but at this point it's the only option she has.

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  132. It shows how much the system is screwed. If she turns out to be innocent, then she's innocent. Period. She can promote normally if she wants to because logically it is her right. Defamation is a HUGE thing. It's not her fault if it happens and if she can't promote then it's (hate to use this word) bullshit. Idols are expected to be immaculate, which is virtually impossible, and companies should not rely on netizen comments in the first place.

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  133. NO! Do you have any ideas how long we've waited? Just because of 1 person's scandal, the 7 members shouldn't be hold accountable! I personally have waited for Baby Soul's debut for 3 years. That girl is talented and have trained hard for the past 6 years to finally debut...Jisoo's scandal shouldn't ruin 7 innocent trainee's lives.

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  134. this is totally unrelated to snsd...

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  135. I like how the comments on Kpop/Kfans are more rational and positive. Because they still criticize idols but not to the ridiculous level that they do here where it's just endless hate.

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  136. "It's really unfair that people can just post things online and then suddenly it becomes a fact."

    It makes me sick that people reacted the way they did based on anonymous no-faced no-proof rumours. The girl is going crazy here and people are laughing at her.

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  137. I don't think so. I think this company has invested way too much money on their trainees for them to allow something like this to happen to them again. They've had two other scandals that turned out to be false. I'm fairly certain that if this story turns out to be the same they will throw the book at the perpetrators. I know I would.

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  138. But seriously, what if all this was a big lie?

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  139. What in my statement is a biased opinion? Am I not right in that scandals should be dealt with according to their nature? This is the first time a Woollim artists has been accused of rape, and this is the first time so much unclear evidence has been given.

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  140. real strong, my friend. Real strong.


    they always come out whenever someone say somethingnegative about woolim & infinite.

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  141. seriously...they never let go of T-ara and their "determination" and nowadays whenever Kim Soo Hyun or Jun Ji Hyun is mentioned, they always tell them to move to China...

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  142. But then Tablo's case was drawn out for a few months. It just depends on the person. And didn't Woollim/Jisoo go to the police just like, within 24 hours ago?

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  143. Careful girl, don't you know you aren't allowed to have an opinion on here if you're a T-ara fan? Apparently when you're a T-ara fan everything you do is driven by their fake scandal and biased. At least that's what I was told yesterday when I tried to tell people to lay off this lovelyz girl.

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  144. Tablo went into hiding for two years. Not only that he traveled back to Stanford and film himself in the admissions office....I think the Tara thing is still going on...

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  145. But there's an audio that shows the "victim" might actually know Jisoo. The butt plug and other debunked photo evidence was actually provided by someone who pretended to be a victim, but the original victim, who has admitted the other girl was a fake, has only given inconclusive evidence that could still be true.

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  146. No i meant that they should debut them in a few months.


    not now. I feel like everything so hectic for the members. They can't debut right away, especially after a scandal as strong as this.

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  147. its for the best of the rest of the group if she doesnt debut
    even if all these are not true her image is tarnished

    yes she worked hard and yada yada

    thisis pretty much the only way to fix it

    but knetz are the same sheeple they have always been
    not even trying to be unbiased
    just look at how these they already see the rumors as facts

    [+1,402, -39] I really don't understand how she thought she could debut all innocently after doing all that ㅋㅋ

    when did this became a fact?
    it would have been neutral if said 'all this mess/gossip/scandal'' not 'doing all that'
    its incriminating
    what if theyre not true

    [+1,222, -33] What do they mean she's unstable right now? They're the ones that said she'd confidently comply with all investigations to make sure that the people claiming to be victims are prosecuted. Now that public sentiment is turning on her, are they media playing to take her out of the group?

    maybe its a translation thing but alleged victims is the right term in this situation
    by calling them victims youre admitting jisoo as the culprit
    and you dont know a thing

    [+319, -8] It's not Seo Jisoo who should be shocked right now but us, the people who had to read about her rumors ㅡㅡ Exactly how do you have to be raised to do all those things at such a young age.

    this comment started out well...and then it went to to sheeple mentality pretty fast

    [+35, -1] Whether or not the rumors are true, for a kid who hasn't even debuted yet to be involved in this kind of gossip... makes me wonder just how crazy her life has been up to this point/

    two possible scenarios

    she is what rumors say she is
    she has some really determined bullies

    crazy either way

    [+35, -2] If this was just a rumor, they'd already have articles saying they found the culprits and that they're crying at the police station and apologizing to Seo Jisoo. When are they going to catch them? The police are usually fast when it comes to these cases...

    quite a lot of evidence was faked did this never made news in korea

    [+27, -2] So the rumors are true then? If she had nothing to hide, then she should be out and showing that she's determined to find the culprit but instead she's "in psychological shock"? Did the company expect the public to be like, "Oh poor girl, whatever are we to do ㅠㅠ" ??



    do this people even understand what how victimization works

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  148. I deleted my post cuz I knew snsd fans would come bashing, damn chill, I was just joking, I didnt mean to offend anyone.

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  149. wish they did that for tablo.

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  150. If it's a matter of protecting their investments, then Woollim should be protecting the group, meaning all the other girls, and not just the one.

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  151. "people claiming to be victims" addresses that point

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  152. That's why I want the articles on the police progress to be translated. I'm pretty sure one of them said they have narrowed down the suspects, but without the victim(s) coming out it's hard to pin point who has done what. They're hiding behind their anonymity.

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  153. "You... are NOT the rapist!"

    *Seo Jisoo starts doing the robot in the middle of the studio*

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  154. Girl I'm not only talking about this particular statement of yours. I visit K-pop,K-fans regularly as well and it's laughable seeing you and a bunch of other Inspirits constantly defend Woolim regarding this issue.

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  155. I need some Dr. phil for this shiet

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  156. I knew the netizen were going to call her a criminal. Nothing has been proven yet so she should not be called a criminal. And the title of the article is misleading. I am not trying to defend her, but she is being hospitalize due to mental stress.
    If the rumors are true she deserves it. If they are false. What a horrible thing to put a person through. Also she should not be kicked out of the group if these rumors are false. If they are true by all means kick her out

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  157. the infinite/woolim body guards are coming out.

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  158. "the only way she can recover from this is if she joins the army."

    what does this has to do with Girl's generation?

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  159. Basically somes this place up.

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  160. i said in the end good job rest of knetz [for handling more maturly than the ones i picked out]

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  161. expected. either way she does need some help from professional. if it s false, for the shock. if it s true... for all those things she commited...

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  162. I posted something about her joining snsd if she was innocent but I deleted it because I knew some Sones would put me on some watch list shiet and wrote something else.

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  163. since the beginning of the scandal I found it extremely messy. the mind of a psychopath can be hard to understand, but seriously sometimes there were elements that did not correlate, or it sounded very absurd.



    I know coming out as a victim of a homosexual sex abuse is a very tough move, but there were so many pictures used as "proof" which were photoshopped, or taken from a japanese pornstar. The buttplug photo was photoshopped lmao from an existing one. But I am pretty sure there are some elements of truth. The best lies ARE contorted truth.

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  164. Not relevant. I'm talking about specific cases of rape/assault accusations towards idols made in this manner. E.g. the Kangho incident. T-ara literally has nothing to do with this and Tajinyo was a cafe of a lot of people.

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  165. Yes any publicity is good publicity because Jisoo is just one girl in the group, they have like 7 other members.
    If the rumor is proven false, the group can go to some shows and tel some sob stories like how hard and depressed they were during the scandal and netizens will sympathize them.
    If the rumor revealed to be true, they can kick Jisoo out and still can go to shows/interview and cry about suffering from one member's mess and promise to work hard to make it up for this mess debut etc. I'm sure netizens will sympathize and root for other 7 girls too.

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  166. Woollim doesn't have a PR department. The company only has something like 11 staff members.

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  167. I hope people realise that it's possible that Jisoo is neither entirely a victim or entirely some horrible rapist. The truth likely lies somewhere in the middle. Some parts of the stories might be true, others might be made up. There's probably some truth to the rumors - maybe she had a girlfriend in high school, maybe she was a bit of a bully - but it's not all entirely true or entirely false.

    Personally, I don't believe all of the rumours, but I don't think she's a pure saint, either. There's probably a few kernels of truth in there somewhere.

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  168. I agree that is what they should do and I believe they are going to go ahead and debut. However celebrities and their companies have got to stand their ground and prosecute people for doing these kind of things. It's the only way to send a message that this will not be tolerated. Not only that they should extend their reach to as far as possible. Hit netizens who continue to circulate these rumors even after they have been proved false. Hit them in the pocketbook. Force the authorities to prosecute them. Demand monetary compensation for lost revenue.

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  169. Rather than kicking her out I hope she chooses to leave on her own.

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  170. This is very likely true but rape? Accusing someone of an actual crime falsely should be a crime. I believe it is...so. Even if there is some truth these people should still be prosecuted.

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  171. Haha I will very worry if I have a member really did all that thing, I mean change with her, bath with her and sleep with her, cringe

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  172. Unfortunately any action Woollim takes will be misconstrued. Everything you say is logical, but netizens won't see it that way. They'll choose to believe that Woollim are hiding something.

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  173. Was he a under this agency?

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  174. DYING! Someone here actually told me I'm not allowed to discuss the messy SNSD drama because I'm a T-ara fan. SMH @ these children!

    http://i58.tinypic.com/wvcox5.jpg

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  175. and you don't understand.

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  176. Yes...but what does that have to do with the nature of the case? Woolim aren't the police nor the perpetrators.

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  177. I'm surprised anyone's talking like they're so sure of anything when there's no damning evidence.

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  178. At this point they shouldn't care they cannot allow people to run roughshod over their business in this way. I as an individual would not tolerate it. Even if my company did not back me I would not back down. If it took my last penny and I had to live out of the trunk of my car I wouldn't let some jealous asshole on the internet ruin my life and get away with, they'd have to go down with me.

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  179. true, we're equally in shock as well.
    this issue put jiyeons video to noob level XD

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  180. Attacking me since you can't back up the truth.

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  181. I've legit seen people who want this to be true because 'lulz dramas'. Which.... okay dating scandals or something like that, fine, I can see how it's oh so hilarious to watch fangirls go into meltdown mode. But we are talking about people being sexually assaulted, possibly raped, or at best, severely emotionally manipulated. I couldn't imagine wishing for that to be true just so I can have some lulz.

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  182. hmmmm.....the truth has yet to be told. What is your point. You make absolutely no sense and frankly you disappoint me

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  183. You suggested that since this had been going on for like two days it gave the accusations credence. I just pointed out that the other scandals this company have experienced lasted for much longer and also proved to be false. That's all.

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  184. Girl, Your SNS profile and photo will be revealed by that cray cray fan lol. Be careful.

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  185. I'm not here to satisfy you, I don't give a fuck if i disappoint you.

    My point:
    "the infinite/woolim body guards are coming out. "

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  186. that these people are obvious delusional woolim stans.

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  187. Lmao dude we don't even have a face for any of these rumours, and you want us to believe it? At least come forward to authorities, which is the most appropriate thing to do in this situation.

    There's more than just rape rumours. There are accusations of inappropriate photos, video, texts, and animal abuse. I'm sure there is evidence of any of this available if this is true, which none has been provided as of yet either.

    Hence the police investigation.

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  188. lmao I don't have anything against fans, but this "Mrs [Infinite member name]" crew come out every time someone says something remotely criticizing about Infinite or Woolim, it's hilarious

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  189. lmao more like cause she can't anyway.

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  190. They're not defending or condemning Jisoo though.

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