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Saturday, August 30, 2014

'War of Words' discuss the impact of celebrity iljins


Article: Park Ji Yoon "The victims of iljins must hate seeing them on TV"

Source: Newsen via Nate

"Iljin rumors are an extremely sensitive issue. To the victims, it's a wound that can't be erased. I would hate it if someone who tortured me was laughing and getting attention on TV."

1. [+2,309, -13] Wise words!!

2. [+2,081, -10] She's right... I would so, so, so, so hate seeing someone who bullied me on TV one day ㅋㅋㅋ

3. [+1,917, -10] It's true... What goes around will come around, though. Doesn't matter whether they regret it later and cry about it.

4. [+155, -2] There's a weird phenomenon going on online right now, and it's about fans who shield their favorite stars just because they've 'reflected'. Reflection is a basic act of human decency, not an end all to all of the scandals they've committed. When someone commits a crime, it is not up to you to forgive them but the victim and whoever else has the right to. Reflection = forgiven? There is no such rule. For a celebrity who lives off of the interest and love of the public, it is only the victim and the public who can forgive him. I feel bad for the kids who shield their stars talking about reflection and how the public doesn't have the right to hate them. Just proves how dumb they are.

5. [+131, -0] It disgusts me to see iljins forgive themselves and act like they didn't do anything ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

6. [+117, -5] It's shocking to me how often I see shields like, "So who hasn't smoked or drank in school?", "You're being too harsh to someone who's working hard", "She/he's pretty, what's it matter"

7. [+110, -17] After School, T-ara, SISTAR... you reading this?

8. [+102, -0] When iljins say they regret their actions, they only mean that it's a part of their past they want to erase. They're not sorry at all to the victims. People don't change so easily... reflecting and regretting your actions are not easy. It's not something everyone can do.

9. [+81, -3] I want to show this to SISTAR and Park Boram ㅎㅎ Especially Dasom, who dumped her friend's lunch tray and beat her

10. [+77, -0] The reason iljin bastards get so much hate is that they ruined someone else's life and are still out on TV laughing like nothing happened. Then when their past is revealed, they never apologize to the victims and only talk about how they've reflected and have matured. They forgive themselves when the victim never forgave them.

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129 comments:

  1. 2. [+2,081, -10] She's right... I would so, so, so, so hate seeing someone who bullied me on TV one day ㅋㅋㅋ



    I would so so so so SO hate that too knetz lmao

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  2. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    Forgiveness is key though. Teenagers and children makes mistakes...the past shouldn't always hold their future down.

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  3. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:27 PM

    well i'm sure it must hurt and annoy the idols who are not iljins to get called that word @@ nana didn't bully anyone yet because she used to drink and shit when she was younger just like millions of teenagers do she gets called that? these people say it themselves, they are /RUMORS/. not all of them are true.

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  4. helloooo....KHJ...everyone?that jerk still can get away...where's the law in south korea...really?

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  5. what about you knetizens reflect and stop being iljins

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  6. "6. [+117, -5] It's shocking to me how often I see shields like, "So who hasn't smoked or drank in school?", "You're being too harsh to someone who's working hard", "She/he's pretty, what's it matter"

    I don't care if he or she is pretty or handsome on the outside. If he/ she is ugly on the inside, nothing else matyers anymore.

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  7. what did after school do?

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  8. carrot♔semi-hiatusAugust 30, 2014 at 12:28 PM

    Do you even know what an iljin is?

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  9. I was bullied. I think maybe I could be okay with it if my bully was a celebrity, but only if they had apologised to me, whether in public or in private. If they didn't express any remorse for what they did to me I wouldn't be able to forgive them.

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  10. if i were bullied, i swear i would let the world know if my bully is on tv. i'll do anything. no matter what.

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  11. Thanks god no YG comment

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  12. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:29 PM

    they're probably talking about nana because there's a picture of her around a stupid beer bottle or smth like that... so all these ppl started calling her iljin ???? because they say she used to drink. but iljin has other connotations such as bullying and etc so i'm assuming they think she did that too (even though it's not true @@)

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  13. Anyone else wonder why there are so many idols that are accused of being iljins. I know Korea has many bullying problems, but it's odd that so many korean celebrities are accused of it.


    Compare it with celebrities from other countries. It's almost never happened that they were accused of being bullies.


    So other Korea has HUGE problem or jealouse netizens are trying to ruin the celebrites lives.

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  14. we all used to and still do shit!

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  15. SISTAR too? what they they did

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  16. Afer school?? Not orange caramel?

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  17. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    i guess these k-netizens are against shitting

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  18. iljins are not keyboard warriors lmao

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  19. Same. I used to stalk this girl who bullied me in elementary school on facebook and she's living a perfect life and my heart aches to see her updates. It's easy to forgive but forget is quite hard.

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  20. true...but let me ask you this...how if someone beat you up that left you a scar?psychological scar...do you think you still can forgive him/her?

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  21. Of course K-netizens never bother to wonder if the "iljin rumors" are even TRUE.

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  22. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:30 PM

    LOL

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  23. they can be !! who knows hahahahah lmao

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  24. Nana had some rumors but I don't know why bring after school name to this if only one member with rumors

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  25. stop trolling moufida

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  26. wise words after a while from knets. you go knets! i support you on this one.

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  27. tell me mor truths hoi hoi u r nana so u know everything

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  28. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM

    yes as a kid a lot of shit happens to us but it doesn't mean that the 'bully' should not be able to become a celebrity or something. A lot of people on TV we see were probably involved in bullying especially the preppy kids but they should also be able to make a career for themselves

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  29. I don't know, I think forgiveness is only possible after seeing regret for the past or at least an apology from the person who had bullied them :/ if they didn't I don't think I would be able to forgive them tbh

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  30. yes orange caramel. Apparently, Nana was one!

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  31. carrot♔semi-hiatusAugust 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM

    In short, iljins are mainly students who drink, smoke, bully others and most of all doing this under-age. They're associated with gangs most of the time and are not the kind of people you want to be involved with. They are the kind of people who will make your life in school like hell whether they're a part of the gang and are just bystanders that laugh at you or the ones actually doing the damage.

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  32. bully is a bully in real life or in internet is the same thing

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  33. drinking makes a person iljin? i dont think I understand what an iljin is... :(

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  34. iljin connotations apply to even the drinkers and smokers and it could be also that she hung around a group of iljins who could've bullied. i dont think anyone knows both sides of it so stop defending as if you know everything bc u r a fan

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  35. I was bullied when I was in grade school and high school, kinda tough. but I survived LOL anw, seeing how those bullies are living right now makes me happy bc they aren't doing well. Karma has its own way.


    anyway, the emotional effect of bullying is no joke. It also affected my self-esteem so if those people who bullied me would end up being a celebrity (and are extremely loved by the public), I'd be pissed.

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  36. People who hold grudges and shows signs of vindictiveness are no better than the bullies who are trying to move on from their troubled pasts.

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  37. "Iljin rumors are an extremely sensitive issue. To the victims, it's a wound that can't be erased."


    The victim can also be the a person who didn't do anything but is accused by false informations going on the net.

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  38. ok...now...if you then have this unheal psychological scar and you saw your bully on TV...being famous and smile....do you think you can handle that?.....just saying

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  39. I would hate it too. But if you want to live peacefully, forgive him/her or forget that you know him/her.

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  40. "When someone commits a crime, it is not up to you to forgive them but the victim and whoever else has the right to." true....

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  41. thanks :) but knetizens are not better than those iljins they bully others on internet

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  42. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:34 PM

    yeah I agree that the victim of serious bullying may not have had the apology they were after at times? but most of the times kids do apologise to eachother even after being forced to by teachers and end up regretting hurting others as they grow old

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  43. The forgiveness only count if it's from the victim/s not themself.
    And the card "I was young/imature" is lame. They iljin was old enough to know what they were doing, and I swear that they had fun when they did it.

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  44. 9. [+81, -3] I want to show this to SISTAR and Park Boram ᄒᄒ Especially Dasom, who dumped her friend's lunch tray and beat her

    Bitch please, even her friends said she is a shy girl and didn't expect she'll debut in a girl group idol

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  45. nothing is funny lmao

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  46. Are you an idiot? Because you sound like one right now.

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  47. Ugh I dislike iljins who do worse things than smoking and drinking but I believe in karma even if it takes.a long time. I hope victims find strenght and support.

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  48. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    I know what you mean but I don't think my experience of them should as a teen should hinder them too much as an adult

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  49. am i ? maybe XD

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  50. carrot♔semi-hiatusAugust 30, 2014 at 12:36 PM

    Yes cause K-netz are by far //worse// than iljins.

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  51. [+117, -5] It's shocking to me how often I see shields like, "So who hasn't smoked or drank in school?", "You're being too harsh to someone who's working hard", "She/he's pretty, what's it matter"


    Underage drinking/smoking is a pretty common phenomenon everywhere, I know there are always extremes but, come on, it's really not the same thing as someone terrorizing their classmates.
    Plus, is it really a surprise teenagers do this shit when they live in a country with such a high alcohol and cigarette consumption rate? Pretty much every drama ever has their characters getting drunk off their ass at some point, idols have no problems talking about their drinking habits even though their fanbase is ostensibly underage... don't turn around and blame teenagers for doing it when everything around tells them it's normal and common behaviour.

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  52. Does anyone knows which celebrities are part of this "iljin rumors"? Thanks

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  53. ur sentence made no sense pls reavaluate ur lif

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  54. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    well I just think that stuff they did in the past shouldn't be a barrier to their future..im talking about minor fights and things btw not serious 'knife threatening' incidents.

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  55. brown liquidfiedsugarAugust 30, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    And the female shaming begins.......shouldn't they mention so called male celebrities who have DUI'ed or assulted their girlfriend first. Sexism is REAL and ALIVE.

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  56. They mentioned as because nana iljin rumor is not fair >.<

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  57. I think forgiveness is key, but even though as they grow older the person who hurt them might feel regret, how do they actually know they do until they tell them? More than forgiveness, the ability to move on perhaps? You don't need to forgive someone in order to move forward with your life. lol idk i feel like i'm sounding pretentious goodbye hahaha

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  58. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:38 PM

    from what i understand an iljin is a bully and kids that do drugs/smoke/drink/have sex as a teenager/while in school. and are part of some sort of school gang? i don't understand it very well but i mean.. someone who bullies someone is completely different from someone who used to drink and smoke while in school ><

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  59. we've alredie discussed dui's and assaults in the other articles this is about iljins and it just happens to be there are more female iljins in kpop apparently.

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  60. i got bullied in elementary school too, i recently discovered her fb, but i don't care anymore, just let it go, she'll meet karma for what she had done :)

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  61. r u her frend if nawt her frends cud be lyin gud jawb

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  62. Comment number 4... *clap* *clap* *clap*

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  63. I'm sorry that happened to you :(

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  64. well...once you are a bully, you will really hard to get rid of that habit, it can be heal but it'll be hard and only ppl who willing to be redeem themself and feel sorry but mostly....nope....look around...you'll know what i mean.....^^

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  65. no regrets for what? being an iljin? o - o

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  66. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    guys she is just trying to tell Knetz that they sometimes have 'ilijin type' of behaviour and so they should also 'reflect'. But ofc the kntez are just random people on the internet so its not like they are the same people on every article

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  67. Speaking of which, do people still say Soyou was an Iljin, or have they dropped that accusation?

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  68. I meant that they aren't JUST, they might be that as well though :x

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  69. [+131, -0] It disgusts me to see iljins forgive themselves and act like they didn't do anything ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ



    what disgusts me more is that they dare to even show their faces on television

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  70. Наська ХанAugust 30, 2014 at 12:40 PM

    where's this from?

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  71. Nana was only accused of underage drinking and smoking and I mean that's bad, but I don't think that she bullied anyone. She said she lived freely, but didn't do anything bad. I mean of course she could be lying but y'know.

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  72. There was a girl who picked on me and made jabs about me in school. I saw her on TV last year and I felt so fucking bitter because she was acting so cute and innocent and it hurt me to see someone who led me to cut myself be celebrated and hang out with celebrities. It's one of the worst feelings I'll ever feel.

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  73. It was already confirmed that the Dasom in this particular rumour was someone else.

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  74. petition to get all iljins off tv gudbuy dasom

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  75. They still accuse her. They even called her an iljin for wanting to be a hairstylist or something like that. Haha.

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  76. and hyomin has already explained she just hang out with kids that's not the nicest. so to who she has to apologize to?

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  77. yes, they def are better, they are not 'good humans' but they are better

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  78. ithoughtiwasalreadyloggedinAugust 30, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    lol i get it but I also think the past can be changed to a better future but ofc if the idol was a reaaaaaaaaally shitty person who was very derogatory towards other races or women or had radical views then that should be brought up later but if its about how they used to bunk of school or got into a couple of fights then Im ok with forgetting that

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  79. Idc if they smoked, drink in the past. It only affected to themself. But, bully is something too hard to be forgiven. That's horrible thing could affect victim's future. Being afraid for the rest of victim's life and even some took suicide, What else more scary than this?

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  80. nana was a bully?? wtf

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  81. carrot♔semi-hiatusAugust 30, 2014 at 12:43 PM

    It's mostly the stigma that comes with underage drinking/smoking. You're automatically associated with iljins in general with all the bullying if they catch you smoking/drinking underage.

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  82. Maybe it has to do with the fact that idols in korea are mostly teens or are in their twenties, so it's more likely that they'll bully other people? I'm not sure if these rumors are true, but if they are, the celebrities should get some kind of punishment or apologize or something... like who cares if you're an idol, you ruined other people's lives? ??

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  83. Iljins are of a different level tho imo

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  84. And it's supposed to be ok calling every idols iljins based on rumors? How about taking care of iljins when they AREN'T celebrities YET? Lead your kids in the right direction when they are still students? Not gonna happen. Sit at home and hate on celebrities would be so much easier. Problem solved. South Korea rules!

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  85. he never had a iljin rumor so he wasnt brought up in this

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  86. How about not taking their comments seriously? They're probably just a bunch of idle keyboard warriors. I love reading comments on internet but most of the time I just pass it off and try not to judge and generalize.

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  87. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    i've read/heard things about nana by some of her classmates and didn't rly mention bullying. i also don't think she would say she doesn't regret those things that happened in the past if she really /did/ bully someone because that would just mean she's heartless to me lol.

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  88. [+117, -5] It's shocking to me how often I see shields like, "So who hasn't smoked or drank in school?", "You're being too harsh to someone who's working hard", "She/he's pretty, what's it matter"



    This what happen now. No matter how bad you past if you pretty or handsome your face can sell anything then all can be forgiving. Make a statement and say sorry about your past just because your a Idol or Artist. What happen if you just netizen will you say sorry? I don't think so.

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  89. yeah you kinda are

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  90. hoi hoi ♪┗(・o・)┓♪August 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    oh i see, thanks!

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  91. but isnt there a difference bewteen iljin and bully?
    being a bully is blamable. but if i'm not wrong, an iljin is someone who smoked or drank when they were underrage, this isn't dramatic

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  92. Lol wtf single out all the male iljin idols.. Double standards

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  93. I just don't understand how drinking/smoking underage = iljin it doesn't make sense to me

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  94. Nana was not forced to transfered school like Nam Tae Hyun, and not hurt anyone, so I think it's not worse..

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  95. except you can easily shut down your computer/block him/her Real life bullying is much worse both physical yet mental harassment

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  96. Nana did drink and smoke but was it ever proven or shown that she bullied others? I'm not shielding her or anything, just curious. If she drank and smoked underage then she's only harming herself.

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  97. remember her account?

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  98. carrot♔semi-hiatusAugust 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM

    It's the stigma tbh. If you drink/smoke while underage you're automatically assumed to be an iljin ._.

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  99. Honestly, I don't see the biiig problem about smoking and drinking. I mean, most of the harm goes to the person who does it, so it's mostly their own problem, I dont care. (except when alcohol goes too far to actually make a person go hurting others, then you better hold the fuck up on drinking)


    But bullying is not ok. I mean, of course people will go "oh, you only say that because you were bullied before, wich means you're a loser and a butthurt and weak to words". True or not, it doesn't matter, but the fact that someone tried to hurt you in any way does. I have been bullied, and deep inside, it still kinda hurts. Because those bad words, even if its a tiny bit, hurt you inside.
    And dont even start with the 'come on, young people do that all the time, thats natural'. If that's the natural, it means people aren't fucking teaching their kids right.


    Seeing the person that once hurt you and left scars in or out of you, now being loved by so many people must feel awful. I would absolutely hate it.
    But then again, it could always be rumours of bullying. Who would believe you? You're just trying to ruin that person's career, because you're jealous.


    No, I'm not saying all cases that people told about k-idols are true. But I'm also going to say, MAYBE not all of them are lies.

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  100. I was bullied in secondary school. I met her on facebook through a common friend. I ignored her. But deeply inside, I know I would feel good if karma goes to her someday. I don't want to forgive her cause she still play blaming victim card, tell other people that she did all things to me because I was a nerd and a freak.
    Well. I won't revenge but she doesn't deserve my kind

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  101. And after all, those iljins still get a lot of love and their fans shield them forever
    thats why they never realize what they did to the victims and just act innocent and regretful on TV when they're not

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  102. Nana is not an iljin. Don't framed her. She's only a carefree girl. She never ruined other people's life. Can't believe people accused her as Iljin just because she's carefree...

    There's a difference between a bully and a carefree person

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  103. I think iljins also include people who bullied. Generally the "bad kids". That's why many knetz were riled up about Taehyun from Winner bcos he was said to have tortured students from his school.

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  104. carrot♔semi-hiatusAugust 30, 2014 at 12:50 PM

    Iljins are also people who bully + everything else you've said. It's not just underage drinking/smoking.

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  105. He was asked about it and he answered..

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  106. Because it's lee kwang soo.

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  107. This man is still relevant?

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  108. Both Nickhun and Tiffany are very busy but I am sure they know how to deal with it..they've been dating for 3-4 years now..meanwhile I am getting excited for khunfany moments when tts and 2pm comeback ^^

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  109. Good for them. Hard work pays off.

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  110. ??? theres no sution for ppl like who who ony know how to swear and write hate stuff on the internet wtv i know im right for what i clained abt bobby why would i say that? cuz its true? he did forget his lyrics
    that makes u mad and log in just to reply? well i was happy that ure wasting ur time like that am i calling u hoe/dumbass for anything? no cuz at least i have some form of respect for u
    i know im not the one looking bad so wtv

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  111. it was a mess, but at least i think he really enjoyed it. since he is a fan of reggae. but lets never mention it

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  112. You don't have to, but it's kind of like how some people swear on a daily basis. They don't have to, but they're used to it.

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  113. After Bobby debuts, he has to continue collaborating with 1llionaire~ This group is just so fun!

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  114. I like Bobby more than BI tbh.. He is always overshadow by BI >.< glad that he finally get the spotlight. Go Bobby

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  115. I don't think Charmane has released anything though...or did he?

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  116. trust me it was worse before lol. it's fine though. they're all just butthurt fangirls mad their oppars didn't win :P

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  117. yeah i think (hopefully) they're gonna slowly climb. promoting a full cycle in korea should help.

    they were nominated for #1 on Inkigayo and weren't too far behind the winners so things aren't looking bad.

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  118. it's good that you're supporting (stanning) the new member! :) i'm glad Youngji is bringing in fresh fans and bringing a positive image to KARA. may i ask though are you a actually a new fan or an old fan who stans the new member?

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  119. I'm a kamilia since 2011, I'm a fan of Youngji since the Kara Project, so no I'm not a fan, but I'm glad I could spazz others with my love for her ahah

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  120. I'm not a new fan*

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  121. i was talking abt vasco tho.. gurl read yo cmts plz lol

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  122. THE PROPHET!!!
    PREACH MAN, PREACH

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