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Monday, August 11, 2014

Fear of army enlistment on the rise


Article: Fear of army service on the rise... "I can't go", "I can't send my son"

Source: Seoul Econ via Naver

"I'm your average college student who will soon have to serve in the army. There have been a lot of abuse cases in the army coming to light with the 'Yoon' soldier abuse scandal. I've never been scared of serving but now I am. It makes me upset that I must serve in such an environment."

"I'm a mother spending my nights in tears after sending my son off to the army. Before the 'Yoon' abuse scandal, I always told my son to work hard... but nowadays, I only shed tears. Thinking of that poor soldier enduring all of that abuse day by day shreds my heart in pain."

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1. [+23,981, -752] If they don't make changes soon, the army system as we know it will collapse. There has never been a country in history that has survived with a collapsed army. The Ministry must hurry.

2. [+19,181, -2,851] Nobody serves because they want to

3. [+16,940, -685] I served in the army. I'm sure our previous generations had it harder. The state of the army has reached this point because of people thinking that nobody actually wants to serve. I think it's time to change that sentiment while the issue's in the spotlight.

4. [+16,364, -3,410] I'm sure it was worse during my father's generation

5. [+2,994, -210] I think enlisting now is the best time where security is heightened because of all of these abuse cases. Even anyone swearing at you will launch an investigation. Enlist now while you can.

6. [+2,474, -124] If our boys are sacrificing the best years of their lives to protect our country, then we need to protect them back.

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Article:
"The army has always been a place like that. In order for it to change..."

Source: Money Today via Nate

1. [+622, -70] How funny, the army has always been a place like that? From my time in the army, I've seen a lot of people and even cases where you'll be hit once or twice but never did I see someone force a man to eat his own throw up and lick spit off of the floor.

2. [+595, -64] The army is in the situation it is now because of the trashy mindset that the army is supposed to be a place like that.

3. [+561, -62] What a joke ㅋㅋ They're the ones caving under pressure and justifying their actions by saying everyone else does it too... during my service, I treated my juniors right even when I wasn't given the same treatment in return.

4. [+35, -9] It's because it's a conscription service. Everyone has to go, there's bound to be a psycho mixed in somewhere.

5. [+9, -2] If the army has always been a place like that, then nobody should survive until discharge ㅋㅋ The problem can be traced all the way to the bullying our junior high school students face. They not only abuse each other but murder and rape fellow classmates. They end up getting into the army and causing the scandals we see now. Don't act like the entire army is made up of trash like them.

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266 comments:

  1. An individual can recognise that the mindset and tradition of some things needs to be changed but since its so ingrained in society most assume it won't change and change their own thought to fit the tradition instead. That's just the sad reality we live in.

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  2. No duh! I'd be terrified to enter. The tales of bullying are so widespread and horrifying.

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  3. people tend to forget that idols arent always living up to their expectation
    they have a life too
    they will retire someday and pursue their own things

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  4. couldn't agree more. Name it SM's maknae. Changmin, Henry, Seohyun, Taemin, Sehun, Joy. Won over all their hyungs-unnies..

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  5. I talked to their twitter support and they fixed it. For me it was because I was 'accidentally' put in their spam filter (after talking bout Gaza lol, few others had the same issue and talked to me bout it).

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  6. Jeez :/ Don't even criticize just YG. Doesn't depend on the company, but there is already corruption within. Someone in the army let Rain do whatever he wanted and give him all those off days. No help with JYP needed.


    And isn't it jumping the gun? God forbid there's a possibility one of the member's may want to go into a different division that's more challenging -_-

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  7. lol who are you to say this about my country

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  8. Then what is your definition of a 'real army'?

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  9. These lies... or are you confusing him with his bff Song Seung Hoon?

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  10. it's the deed of several criminals in the military, not everyone in miltary... though it's make sense to be fear about it but the most important thing is to keep this for not happening again, not to not enlist when you should.

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  11. Wasn't theire an article here about a former singer who didn't do his enlistment and couldn't get back into the country or something like that.

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  12. they book out in the weekends for two days and then go back after

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  13. shinzui concert ya?

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  14. Oh please. Lee Min Ho, Kim Soo Hyun, Park Shin Hye, Jun Jihyun and Lee Jong Suk were all unknowns to i-fandom once.
    They are most def not idols, but that never stopped their China fandom from getting huge, it's a lie that only idols get the i-fan money. Actors are just as appreciated if they get cast in a breakout project.

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  15. North Korea can start a war at anytime. But I don't think that Indonesia and Malaysia is planning to._. They are currently in a good terms.

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  16. its mandatory for Singaporeans as we are such a small country already jow do you expevt us to defend our country if it was non compulsory for men to join??? As one netizen said, unless you're extremely patriotic to your country, very little people will willingly volunteer two years of their life to serving the army

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  17. What is going on in that first picture?

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  18. The government can't change it? Well it's hard..

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  19. i actually think a lot of things especially when krystal seems always rely on lean on and looks up to her sister and she also can open up to her sister only, so yeah it's kinda risky if jessica leaving her but jessica has a life too right she cant always beside her non stop, they both are busy with their scedhule and jessica has business to manage as well, individual and group overseas scedhule

    like this one ->>> jessica said sorry she couldnt be there when her sister having a hard time because she was busy with snsd japan tour and her filming scedhule, they havent meet for 2 weeks
    but jessica really assure and comfort her sister after meeting
    i think jessica is the only place for krystal to release, unleash, talk everything, krystal seems only open up to her https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=dU2xls8rZ2U

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  20. a great skit about singaporean ad against gambling

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKMNKS-9ugY

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  21. Hahahahaha. Your comment made me laugh probably more than I should've. I agree though. Can't imagine any of the Big Bang members to serve, especially GD

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  22. This applies to actors who are not idols too btw. I totally agree with you but some non idol actors are also so bad I feel like they should please stick to cfs. (see : Han Ga In, Jin Seyeon, Song Seung Hoon)

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  23. Can people stop making new accounts to reply to themselves? This topic is too serious to be trolling.

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  24. They are allowed handphones (without camera function) and certain electronics too.

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  25. Age range fit for active duty service is between 19 to 35 (although I heard it was extended to 37), followed by reservist duty for 8 years, 4 which are spent in the Mobilization Reserve and the other 4 on Homeland Reserve. Most men tend to go in their early 20s, typically either after one or two years of tertiary education.


    Army and Marine Corps is 21 months, Navy is 23 and Air Force is 24 (going beyond makes you a professional enlisted). Public service duty can last up to anywhere between 2 to 3 years, IIRC.


    As for army culture - you may want to be a little bit more specific.

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  26. There are plenty of ways around it. You can apply for citizenship after 5 years or find a British friend, marry her and get dual citizenship. If people look down upon you of course, you'd have to deal with it. I wouldn't let my precious son live under such circumstances. There's a 2 year compulsory service where I'm from that you have to start serving as soon as you finish high school. There was even a scandal a while back about feeding soldiers expired products by changing the expiry dates. Like, what on earth?

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  27. But there's a risk in that. What if the drama doesn't get famous? If an actor got a shit script, no one would care for the drama. On the other hand, crazy fan girls will watch their idols' dramas regardless if it was shit or not, just because their idol is in it. That's the difference between an idols fan power to an actors overseas.

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  28. I know Rain and Krystal are the main leads...but I just have to say, if L is like the third party or something, I might end up shipping Krystal's and L's characters in the drama together haha. I just looked at them and I think they're both really good looking people and they look nice together.

    LOL what am I even doing, the drama isn't even filmed yet...

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  29. Me too... mami <3

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  30. Singaporean army is so tiny,
    don't have a real war experience.
    there was no actual threat.
    they are not to be compared with other asinan army.

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  31. 5. [+49, -7] People are b*tching so hard ㅋㅋㅋ over Kakaotalk messages
    with her mom? Who cares how she spells it, it's not your mom ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

    THIS! ㅋㅋㅋ

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  32. There is this fallacy in your comparison. South Korea is still in state of war , it is logical to be harsher. I've observed similar patterns on countries that are in the same state as S. Korea. Yes, i know it sucks for them to be so strict, but you have to go back and look at reality that a war can break at any moment, you are required to be fully prepared (and preparation for a war demands for you to undergo rigid training, it's not a lack of education as you call it, it's living up to what measures the situation calls for). And what laws have to change when the incident issued in S. Korea is considered straight up wrong and illegal? You can't compare cases like Singapore, when war is a vague far away possibility to a country that faces an immidiate threat. S. Koreans and other countries' citizens are facing a harsher reality and serving to the army besides serving in respect to your country has that very concrete goal.

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  33. omg i love john oliver lol his satire takes on politics and world issues are always so damn entertaining

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  34. It is a big problem though, they are right that the army needs to change its mindset and how it deals with abuses like this.
    It's one thing to be tough on people, but the horrific crimes perpetuated against that poor young man had better wake some people up. Stop trying to downplay the issue by saying "it used to be worse".

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  35. I think it should worded as 'possible' threat, yes South East Asian countries is friendly toward each other, but army is still needed to protect the countries border from foreign ship without permit. And army do volunteer work too during natural disasters, at least in my country.

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  36. this midset of "oh, i had it worse" is probably the reason why this treatment of soldiers still exist.

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  37. I'm not questioning the reason why she's writing letters to fans, but the way she makes Youngji look. From the very first letter Gyuri makes clear that she have done everything what she could to prevent new members coming and that she doesn't want her herself. I suppose it isn't even about Youngji, the same would happen to any other girl. And I kind of understand them.

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  38. I didn't say that shinee was your favourite singer , I only said shinee because they are my favourite group. No need to be picky T^T

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  39. Dr Stranger was total shit, had no idols in lead roles but China ate it up anyway. LJS was not a big name there before it either. Actors can definitely attract crazy fangirls too no matter the quality of the project, it's just that producers forgot that this was how hallyu first spread and now think its all about idols.

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  40. for alll these years jessica has been doing what an older supposed to be
    take care, assure, protect, guide, lead, etc basically she is really a mom
    i think it's already enough for jessica to babygoodbye her sister step by step so that krystal can carry herself but then again if i look at how much krystal needs and wants jessica always with her especially krystal can open up to her sister only so it's kinda risky to leave her .--. but jessica is 26 years old right and the next 2-3 years i'm pretty sure snsd is gonna get married and having babies

    never forget how much krystal proud of to have a sister like jessica
    she leans, rely, and looks up to her a lot
    and jessica also responsible sister and support her so much

    -Harper Bazaar

    Krystal: When I'm with my sister, there's nothing in the world that I'm afraid

    of When I was a trainee, or when I attended school, I really felt reassured because my sister was there.

    -1st Look: What kind of influence does Jessica have on Krystal?

    Krystal: She's really adamant. I think she's always sure about things.

    I guess she's gentle yet has tenacity. Her firmness is something that I
    want to learn the most. I'm always learning and also being influenced. I
    often think that I'm a little sister who isn't much help to my sister.
    My sister is my life's biggest indicator. She's always guided me a lot
    since school, my trainee days, and even after I debuted. I think we're
    here together right now thanks to my sister

    Krystal mumbled, with her small lips, 'I'm not jealous of anyone. My sister's seriously the best.'

    -W korea

    Krystal: When I talk deep inside with unnie,sometimes

    we shed tears because unnie is the one knows my situation best.The tears

    just cant stop dropping. and this its like "Ah this person does knows me with her heart" this kind of feeling is great.

    What do you think it will be like if you two change your roles? (Jessica to younger sister and Krystal to older sister)

    Krystal: No, absolutely not. Thanks to unnie, I received a lot of things. When

    I went to school, there are people who treated me nice because I'm
    Jessica's sister and I also got that benefits during my trainee days.
    When I think about it now, I think I live my life a lot easier so I
    think it must be hard to be the older sister

    in J&K show krystal also said to jessica "i always tell you that my life is so easy because of you"

    Krystal message to Jessica:

    Always having you by my side makes me feel secure. I will be by your side too Always thank you. And let's stop crying ^____^

    Krystal message to jessica:

    My one & only sister ♡

    We're sharing the same blood we can't separate!

    "You & I both know that we are stronger when we're together.♡"

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  41. i knowwww , and i replied to u cuz i'm a shawol as well and i feel the same way , that's the only reason ;)

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  42. it works i guess at least krystal has intens job filming drama like this so there will be rarely time to think about what was happen
    i hope jessica goes to her sister filming set, but she is now at kcon having scedhule with group and she also has her brand BLANC scedhule to launch officially on august 16th, she has been busy preparing it secretly

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  43. Camera phones are allowed in certain areas now.

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  44. Making a big fuss over the spelling mami...

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  45. hoe can you say that????

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  46. "[+639, -41] Our acting industry's a mess.."

    COME HERE AND WATCH INDONESIAN DRAMA, DEAR.

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  47. this tbh
    i actually dont depend on onion
    everything can change anyway
    unless he is a GOD secretary he can predict it
    if it happens it happens
    so just enjoy being fan keep supporting them
    no need to loud and spread this and that if it cant be sure either, that's not something we should joke about

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  48. She's so cute! (ಥ_ಥ)

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  49. Lee min ho slays>>>>>
    Oh look where all of your favorite alien boy is at ....no. '10'
    HAHAHHAHA
    Other Korean stars are a joke compared to Lee min ho's popularity in the world, especially self confessed 'world star' Bi Rain Lmfao...and he got beat by Lee min ho and PSY on this same survey about their popularity in USA. LOL!

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  50. so my country is actually worse than a country whose chief said democracy is not for asian..(no offense at all!!.. sigh)

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  51. Dominique (도미니크)August 11, 2014 at 7:18 AM

    I LOVED blonde Krystal!!!! <3333333

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  52. Mrs._KimMyungsoo (L)August 11, 2014 at 7:18 AM

    I think they're talking physically, as in, they don't look that bad together, they're okay.


    I don't know what that has to do with chemistry though.

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  53. Seriously guys ??? They are sisters for god's sake

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  54. I don't much about the system but I could imagine that it would help already, at least a bit, if they had more time for their personal life(don't mean every weekend to go out or so)...limited knowledge: but isn't it that for almost 2yrs they are seperated from families and the 'rest of the world'? if I were to think I have to live with hundreds soldiers with nowhere to go for myself...I would go crazy.

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  55. [+2,474, -124] If our boys are sacrificing the best years of their lives to protect our country, then we need to protect them back.

    Yes.

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  56. Up there on that chart says base is n=400. I thought it would've said 400,000 if it meant that. Did I mistake it for something else?

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  57. Minguk is my fav!!!!!!!

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  58. this kid's aegyo is no joke!! even his dad said "your cuteness melts my tiredness away"........ my my

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  59. lee minho and kim soohyun tbh

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  60. Sehun's Bubble TeaAugust 11, 2014 at 7:34 AM

    2. [+19,181, -2,851] Nobody serves because they want to
    Yoo Seung Ho tho

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  61. Yeah I agree. My brother is in the army right now (it's compulsory in my country as well) and he gets 2-3 weekends free in a month to come home and meet friends etc. And they are tested and so on (or something, I don't know that much either, ha) on the first month to decide whether they will serve 6, 9 or 12 months. But it's not like Korea would need o change even this much. Just reforming the army a bit would already help

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  62. Where are you from?

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  63. if jessica leaves well most likely krystal is going to leave too
    krystal seems cant live without her sister
    and f(x) right now messed up a lot as wellbso idk she can stand it
    i really think krystal will continue to be student in US if she leaves the idol life

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  64. I remember reading this comment "3. [+250, -20] Oh ㅋ I hope he learns a lot from So Ganji and continues to grow as an amazing actor!" from here: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/seo-in-guk-joins-cast-of-masters-sun.html
    And as I watch SIG in High School king of Savvy I remember this comment n crack up. Boy should be teaching the master how to act! (and rap)
    SJS is my bias but he's def not on my fav actors list

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  65. Maybe that's even a better reason why South Korea should reform their army

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  66. her hair was too yellow, outside the mv it looked just bad. i liked her in red the most.

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  67. Dr stranger is nothing compared to idol-filled dramas that have taken over china lol

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  68. No one is making of it
    I think you are the one joking and making fun of it plus yourself
    It's better if you are checking out to make it accurate

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  69. well who cares? lol it's her mom. Even her mom doesn't have any problem with that. We're Indonesian often call our moms with 'mami'

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  70. I'm really sorry, please don't be offended. Most Singaporeans don't actually regard Malaysia/Indonesia as a threat...

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  71. I don't know. My little brother has been in the army 8 months now (1 month to go and he's free) and he seems to at least like it a little bit in there. Lots of new friends and army jokes I don't get. Not that he doesn't want to leave, haha, but it's not like it was really that bad. What some countries need is some free time for the poor boys. My brother comes home 2-3 weekends a month.

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  72. Krystal looks really pretty with bangs. :) And a bit older too,i can now kinda somewhow see Bi-Krystal pairing working.
    Was never a fan of her,but after watching the Jessica-krystal show,im really warmed up to her.

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  73. Victoria Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%CB%CE%DC%E7&pn=0&
    Jessica Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D6%A3%D0%E3%E5%FB&pn=0&
    Krystal Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D6%A3%D0%E3%BE%A7&pn=0&
    Yoona Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%C1%D6%D4%CA%B6%F9&frs=yqtb&pn=0&Taeyeon Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%BD%F0%CC%A9%E5%FB&frs=yqtb&pn=0&

    No one is joking really

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  74. huge treats.. r u kidding me.. how come u compared malaysia and indonesia with north korean.. u r the treats for friendship between malaysia, indonesia and SG..

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  75. that is legit cute omg

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  76. Look at your screen cap it's April
    It's so old

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  77. Embarrassing indeed

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  78. I can't believe Krystal has fans like this -,- so arrogant -,-
    Did you even realize you are the one who's delusional not mine wtf -,-
    Get your fact right -,-

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  79. In my Country being a soldier is a profession... To enter in the armed forces must have a high school diploma, you must not have a criminal record and you have to be visited by a medical Commission that evaluates your physical and mental health... You cannot join the armed forces even if you have a past as a drug addict or alcoholic and if you have close relatives with criminal records! Twenty years ago the military service was mandatory but even then there were other limits... If you were the firstborn and you had a single parent you don't have to leave. You were not accepted even if you were in foster care! Was not required to have a diploma, indeed, often the guys took a diploma or a driver's license while they were in military service! Such stringent regulations have helped a lot to limit the cases of "bullying", although they have not prevented entirely certain situations... Unfortunately "monsters" are not so easy to spot, but it would be a good thing to try at least!

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  80. And my country this thinking about making enlistment mandatory again...

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  81. All the kids are like that. When always slept in between my parents since I didn't want a little sibling lol

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  82. Spanish -mami

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  83. Mariana Ferreira AlbuquerqueAugust 11, 2014 at 8:45 AM

    I call mine Mãe which is Mother in Portuguese (my native language) since it's short and mamã is longer

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  84. I heard that people even decided to suicide bcos the cant handle the army in SK

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  85. I think he/she(disqus_Tdw) meant that by - Singapore is a small country, hence smaller army, that if were were under threat by our neighbours, we generally need to be more prepared.

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  86. i cant with you calling mine delusional -,-
    delusional calling people delusional -,-
    Jessica Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D6%A3%D0%E3%E5%FB&pn=0&
    Krystal Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D6%A3%D0%E3%BE%A7&pn=0

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  87. I'm loving all your comments in this.

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  88. Am I the only who thinking that the plot of story kinda similar to the drama which Seohyun SNSD starring? *i forget the title*
    the difference just about the job though,,

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  89. I never ever mentioned "MY COUNTRY STROOONG!!!" Or "my country is betters than yours" . Ur the one who did so! Although its kinda funny, I still wanna give u a clap on how good you are on manipulating my words *clap*

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  90. i cant with you calling mine delusional -,-
    delusional calling people delusional -,-
    Jessica Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D6%A3%D0%E3%E5%FB&pn=0&
    Krystal Baidu http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kw=%D6%A3%D0%E3%BE%A7&pn=0
    look at the number on the left -,-

    you are spreading the screen cap with old number 4months ago -,-
    update update update!

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  91. can we stop comparing popularity? i mean, the producers brought them for the drama, not for popularity competition. it's good to see, if they have a lot of fans in overseas.

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  92. It's different, we ha mandatory service also in Finland, that's next to Russia and I don't think that we have a huge threat even with the situation with Ukraine.. I'm also sure that Malaysia and Indonesia don't want to go to war.

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  93. No, its ok dear... You dont have to apologised on behalfs on him/her... Yup, not all singaporeans regard Malaysia n Indonesia as threats. Since I do have singaporeans friends and my dad's family come from singapore themselves, we love each other and we do embrace one another as a big family... Btw, Thanks for your words :)

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  94. Fuck you man i suggest you to go serve your the army before talking bullshitsss... Man idiots left and right

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  95. lmaoooo this differences of intl languages is funny. its actually "Ibunda" but ppl make it short as "bunda" bcs "Ibunda" is too poetic. only ppl from the old royal use this.

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  96. Lol stop bringing Kim soo hyun up there with Lee min ho ...all the factors especially that survey prove that Lee min ho is far more popular than that over hyped dude. His company's media play is really annoying and so are his fans fake rants.

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  97. But Kim Soohyun is really popular in china that's true

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  98. My boyfriend has to enlist early new year... I wasn't too concerned but after this I'm freaking out... If it wasn't because his parents really want him to serve I would honestly marry him so he didn't have to enlist

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  99. I thought Rain is more popular internationally since he is a Hollywood star? Ninja Assasin

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  100. What is with Krystal and L's hair? O_O I mean they look fine but I prefer them with their old hair!

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  101. I think it is human. Jealousy, brutality, greed, betrayal are all more of the human traits than anyother creature

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  102. I am not from singapore but my mom has lived there for months because of her work and she said singapore law is really strict. That is a good thing tho. I hope indonesia law is strict too . Sigh

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  103. Who actually WANTS to serve the country

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  104. Lol !!!!!!!!!! Lee soo man ssi . She is YG's

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  105. while i agree with you, Singapore has such cases of soldier abuse as well. just as it is very rare in Singapore, i'm pretty sure it is equally as rare in ROK. it is just that nowdays social media is so prevalent that information is sensationalized and might not necessarily be accurate which sparks a bigger panic.

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  106. uhhhh wtf is WW2 if it wasnt a war?

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  107. also, Singapore is the second most militarized country in the world after Israel, pls do some research.

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  108. 2. [+19,181, -2,851] Nobody serves because they want to

    Exactly. I applaud those countries who don't have mandatory military service because they join voluntarily.

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  109. The fact you claimed Indonesia aren't 'war-sought people' and while knocking down on Singapore for being allied with the US and Israel aka 'killer countries' despite the fact that Indonesia itself has invaded East Timor not very long ago is more than enough to be considered "MY COUNTRY STROOONG!!!".


    I'll admit my words of choice probably weren't the best, but my point stands regardless.

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  110. That's so un-nationalistic(if there's such a word) of you. of course everyone want to serve their own country. there are just some who think differently as to how they want to serve the country. It's not always in the army that you get to serve your country.

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  111. from what i gathered from my friends who finished their national service, the fear that conscripts from both countries face are somewhat similar, but i feel like the degree of fear are somewhat different.

    none of my friends were willing to serve the country cause you are practically giving up 2 years of your lives to the nation while being paid measly wages. unless you are willing to be barred from entering singapore and not see your family members again while paying a hefty fine, then it would be wise to just withstand the pain for 2 years and get it over and done with. Unless you want to be in the army/navy/airforce/scdf/police, most of the hard skills that you're learnt are useless after they have come out. So, that is why most of them feel like their wasting their precious 2 years of their lives while their female counterparts are getting on with their lives continuing their studies or are already entering the workforce. some of my friends also face the problem of finding it hard to continue the momentum to start studying again after they have completed their 2 years.
    in addition to the 2 years, after they have ORD/ finish their conscription, every year they are required to go for re-service to ensure that they are fully trained and are fit and ready to face any threat.
    in terms of army culture, i'd say that the sg recruits are having a better lives now as compared to their fathers. better facilities and stringent laws are in place should any of the officers "tekan" or abuse their authority. i fell like what the culture in the two camps are somewhat similar as the recruits from both countries both enter the army having the "i'm wasting my life in here" mindset. and since the sgt who are training them both were "bullied" from their superiors, you'd want to ensure that your juniors suffer the same fate that you suffered in the past.
    i'm sure you have heard of cases whereby public service recruits are looked down upon. in singapore its somewhat similar for recruits with PES E (lowest category for those who are unfit) cause they're the one doing all the paper work and they report for duty from 9-5 and able to return home everyday.

    its just my take on the conscription in sg while comparing ti ROK. hope it helps! ^^

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  112. I FUCKIN KNOW RIGHT.
    INDONESIAN DRAMA IS A FUCKIN MESS. EW.

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  113. I have to disagree with you. No one honestly want to serve their country. I live in America and everyday I go to college where I hear kids talk about how much they hate America. I go to work and listen to older adults talk about how much they hate America. I agree with them. I rather live in Canada.

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  114. I think L & Krystal will become a couple in the drama..

    BTW, Krystal looks perfect with bangs but I can't take my eyes off blonde L.. Whenever I see him I think he should have dyed his before Back but he is handsome anyway :P

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  115. Oh, it must be different by countries then. ok, let's just change "everyone/no one" to "some", bc there are still some who do. we may just not see it all the time.

    off topic: but you said you'd rather live in Canada? So, my presumption that americans hate canadians is wrong? I'm really sorry for stereotyping, but I usually see that in US tv shows.

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  116. The drama talk about music industry so ..!!

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  117. It's big scandal in S.korea.
    because It's rare case in S.korea too.

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  118. The triplets cuteness asdgdjdlshsk ♥♥♥

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  119. Do well Jung Soojung!

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  120. Defense Reform 2020 is set to reduce the ROK Army's strength by roughly 20% (currently at about 500,000 as of now), and reducing the number of divisions to around half.


    Old weapons are being phased out for state-of-the-art ones, while also upgrading the current equipment and introducing other new gear (such as cruise missiles).


    The govt knows that it can't rely on conscription forever, and the declining birthrate is further proof for that.


    But to achieve where the uglier side of the barracks culture is minimized to the point it's rare and changing from a conscript-manned to a fully professional one that's also decently paid and well-equipped, it will take a LOT of time. The budget would need to be expanded, to accommodate for better pay and benefits, as well as taking in consideration the security threat North Korea poses - whether as a state or a void of lawlessness (i.e. when it goes through a civil war or collapses).

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  121. I don't know too much about Rain, is he really popular in Asia?

    http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/34800000/Smile-infinite-EC-9D-B8-ED-94-BC-EB-8B-88-ED-8A-B8-34860960-420-236.gif

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  122. 1. [+7,538, -285] Krystal has bangs!



    Yes, 7.5k upvotes about Krystal's bangs


    BANG KRYSTAL

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  123. ow I didn't know that but still...

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  124. I'm Arab too! I think they mean they have sharp features. Arabs have sharp features... like T.O.P, Dongwoon, Gyuri have sharp features so they label them as looking like arabs...

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  125. Well, in my country too, it is mandatory for all boys to serve in the army. Unless there are a reason for it (like if you are paralyzed, blind, deaf, or have really poor eyesight). There are even talks about emplying it for girls as well.

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  126. Isn't the drama about idols, so wouldn't it make sense to have a bunch of 'actordols' to be casted...

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  127. I was told that Every Singaporean Son only shows half of the facts though.. Not sure what to believe since I didn't serve under the armed forces back when i was doing my national service lol

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  128. Preach.
    I don't understand nationalists either. My country's a corruption paradise, full of ignorant idiots, racists, white supremacists. Most are also rude, conceited, small-minded etc.
    A good thing is that when you come across the minority, you get to meet some pretty amazing people.
    I'd nuke our parliament and presidential house any day. Heck, I'd even nuke our bishop. Greedy old bastard more involved in real estate than church.

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  129. Why would we need real war experience to be counted as a real army? In that case i'm guessing you would consider the taliban as an real army instead?

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  130. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 11, 2014 at 10:31 AM

    I don't like mandatory service. I think it should be voluntary. I have always had this mindset. You should have the choice in whether or not you want to be trained to kill. I know Korea has a threat from NK, but you shouldn't force people to serve and punish them when they do not want to. God knows how many people each year are jailed and abused for not going to the military. I know a guy who was jailed and abused for not going to the Korean army. He wanted to kill himself.

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  131. The plot seems like it’s Answer Me 1997 (guy falls in love with dead first love’s sister, and Hoya was also really, really, really good in this) and a bit of You’re The Best, Lee Soon Shin and Trot Lovers. Rain was good in Full House though, so I’m in. I don’t know much about Krystal’s acting, as Lee Min Ho was not enough to make me sit through that hot mess that was Heirs.

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  132. Has nothing to do with that. Over 25% of female soldiers in the US Armed Forces have been sexually assaulted, and with more open enlistment for gays 50,000 men admit to having been assaulted as well. And this is an all voluntary/mercenary force.

    They simply need better oversight to minimize abuses. For example in the US, Senators have been exasperated and appalled how all levels of the US Armed forces knew about this epidemic of rape and covered it up. It cannot be easy to complain in Korea either, given the very real possibility of war and korean society

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  133. jiyeonsgorgethighsAugust 11, 2014 at 10:32 AM

    How do you feel about the investigations though? Do you think they are going to do anything? Because I've always felt that abuses in the army are extremely difficult to hold people accountable for.

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  134. No need to change everything fancy etc. just treat the people who serve in the Army as HUMAN BEINGS! They are not animals! I even treat my pets million times waaayyyyyy betttteerrr than some soldiers are treated in the military.

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  135. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 11, 2014 at 10:37 AM

    We don't live in the past but LEARN from the past. We remember the past so we don't forget the mistakes we have made. If we don't do that, we'll just be repeating a deadly cycle of mistakes. We are only improving because we know better now. We know we are capable of destruction.

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  136. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 11, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    They will have to put action considering the media has gotten involved. If there is no justice, Koreans will be furious. If this hadn't gotten media coverage I would think it would be put to the sidelines and hushed. Though I definitely think they will not receive a large punishment considering how shit the Korean law system is. Probably 10 years or so in Jail for most of them.

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  137. IntenseFeelings_UglySobbingAugust 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM

    I disagree. The way they treat Korean soldiers is not humane at all. With those horrible conditions, of course no one wants to serve. Unless Justin is speaking generally for all countries. Then I will just awkwardly walk away.

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  138. As Indonesian myself I bet all my assets our govt nor the citizens will ever plan to bomb Singapore....and from my experience living in Sg for years all Indonesians loves Sg so much. u can see when u visit Sg you'll b surrounded by Indos and Malays heheheh

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  139. Yea.
    I like her hair now too, but damn, the blonde was amazingly gorgeous on her >_<

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  140. The problem is that to make it voluntary, the ROK military budget will need to be expanded considerably - namely the pay and benefits to keep said volunteers stay, all the while maintaining a considerable size and technological edge that is fully capable of taking on North Korea's numerical superiority. And it is not capable of achieving this feat anytime soon.


    At current somewhere about 20-30% of the ROK active-duty military are professionals/volunteers, both NCOs and commissioned officers - that's somewhere between 130-195 thousand of roughly 650k troops.


    Even then, should North Korea be subject to an internal conflict like Libya and Syria or suddenly collapse, the South Korean military would ultimately be forced to intervene (due to KPA units going rogue and the absolute need to secure WMD sites in North Korea from the wrong hands) and maintain security. Should it change to an all-out voluntary force, it would be extremely over-stretched and it's no help that the possibility of the DPRK collapsing internally and subsequent unrest can't be ignored.


    The K-govt does acknowledge that it cannot rely on conscription forever, especially due to a declining birth rate and is making up for it by relying on technology to boost its soon-to-shrink armed forces' firepower (ROK Army is also slated to be shrunk by approximately 20% in size and nearly 50% of its divisions disbanded) and *try* recruiting as many volunteers as possible.


    It's no easy task, given the huge scope of the ambitions and even arguably even questionable if it will succeed or not.


    As for numbers that are jailed for refusing - the number varies between 300 to 800 or so every year, and sentence length is generally 18 months (though it could last up to years during Park Chunghee's reign).

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  141. LOL Israel and NK have two very different economies. NK is largely agricultural while Israel has a booming economy with trade and commerce. Percentage of GDP cannot be compared because actually, Israel spends far more than NK on military.

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  142. It's not mandatory too in my country. I have a high school senior that failed the physical test once, took a year to trained his body and was accepted. What a dedication

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  143. I don't think we can expect any *serious* amount of punishment, though given the press coverage + given the graphic details already known, the military may be pressured to do something more heavier than usual.


    At current, it's probably best to wait and see how things roll out. The fact that the Third Army's command itself is involved says a lot, and supposedly the commander of the battalion Private Yun was in has also apparently been suspended (and basically means he'll never face a single promotion).

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  144. I did a research about that for colleague. Almost all korean jehova witness (men) are jailed 2 years for what you are saying and other
    conscientious objector as well. Right now there is around 600 jehoava witnesses jailed for that reason.


    I don't know if the society would agree with a complete voluntary serviece but I think objector of conscientious should be allowed in most cases and of course they need to search for a solution about all the bulling going around and make better the conditions in the army.

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  145. In Kotra, the survey in most western and other countries out of Asia Lee min ho is either 1st or 2nd only to PSY. In America PSY is 1st and Lee min ho is 2nd. Rain is 4th. Nobody knows about ninja assasin since it was a huge flop. Rain is overrated especially his popularity, he is nowhere near Lee min ho.

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  146. I think i agree with the last comment, it seems like it really is traced back to school bullying. Since they don't seem to face much punishment for bullying.

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  147. you can't chose someone don't know about music or can't sing ^^ !

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  148. Mrs._KimMyungsoo (L)August 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Really? I feel she looks younger. The bangs makes her look more innocent and have more of a baby face.

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  149. Lelouch LamperougeAugust 11, 2014 at 11:02 AM

    Wow really? Comparing Malaysia and Indonesia to North Korea? Did you drop out of school?

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  150. Singapore used to be part of malaysia you know. What nonsense are you implying by 'surrounded by Malaysia,'

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  151. "voluntary/mercenary force."

    The fact you're equating a voluntary military as mercenaries is quite frankly, beyond stupidity. A mercenary isn't really part of a nation's armed forces, and only fights and represents him/herself.


    From your logic, you may as well say that the Eastern European mercenaries in Libya were part of the Libyan Armed Forces or that Blackwater/Xe Services/Academi, DynCorps etc. are all officially part of the US military.


    Learn the difference. I'm pretty sure if you say that to anyone that's in the military, you won't get a very kind response.

    "They simply need better oversight to minimize abuses."



    Tell me, what's your experience with the ROK military? Do you at least know a few people who've actually served in the ROK military, whether Army, Navy, Air Force or Marine Corps?


    Better oversight isn't the only thing that's needed, and you make it sound like it's easy to reduce. I don't know enough about the US, but it isn't. Then again, I'm not surprised, considering you once even claimed before that the 'quality' of US troops during the 60s and 70s was 'low'.

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  152. the fuck....thats so lame. seohyun drama had the same story i think

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  153. That does not change the fact that North Korea, socially, is a far more militarized nation than any other country in the world.


    Virtually every bit of it is geared towards the regime and military power. Last time I checked, the IDF doesn't exactly hold immense power in Israeli politics, and certainly does not hold more preference over everything else in Israeli society, and the number of troops vs civilian population is small compared to that of NK - a whopping 1.1 million active duty and as many as 8 million reserves out of a population of what, 24-25 million?


    That's basically 1/3 of the population serving in the armed forces, including paramilitary. You won't find *any* nation that matches that.

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  154. err, how you concluded Whateva being overtly chauvinistic? I see her/him as offended person who unwisely throwing shade to Singapore


    East Timor problem was complicated, from Indonesian point of view they were rebel (that funds with foreign money), from East Timor point of view they were occupied and want to be freed (some may argue that Indonesia treat them right during 'occupation', built and provide the area). In the end Indonesia granted their wish to be parted, end of story. Now both countries are civil with each other


    Now if only Israel and US grant and respect Palestine wish to be treat as a country and member of united nation

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  155. this isnt related but-

    OMG WINNER'S DEBUT MV
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEqlF5N8UMs#t=42

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  156. "who unwisely throwing shade to Singapore" - there's your answer.

    Regardless of the perspective, that doesn't change the fact that Indonesia invaded East Timor.

    "Now if only Israel and US grant and respect Palestine wish to be treat as a country and member of united nation"



    Except Hamas doesn't accept a two-state solution, and their stated objective is to kill as many Israelis as possible + turn it into a Sharia Law-based land, no different to what the Islamic Front, Al-Nusra and ISIS want in Syria and what the former Egyptian president Morsi tried to do before he got the boot.


    You can't negotiate with religious fanatical leaders.

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  157. "largest military force for the total percentage of their population" i don't really agree with your point here because honestly nobody knows the true extent of the NK army. Also, 15% of NK's GDP, is, lets face it, next to negligible because of NK's actual GDP. The amount of technology that is used in Singapore's and Israeli army far outstrip that of NK as well. And Israel is one of the very few countries with mandatory military service for women.


    Also, I'm not really sure where you stand in this argument, all I'm saying is that Singapore's army should not be described in such a way by "kyou" because its inaccurate.

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  158. The American military has shady shit go down all the time with recuits and female soldiers safety is also always at risk. Anytime you enforce a strong chain of command like you do for military(or to a lesser extent Greek sororities and fraternities) bad shit can happen to the lower ranking members. It isn't just something that needs to change in the RoKs military system it's something that should be examined in all military. Its what some people call "leadership training" or what I like to call it...how to not be a fucking douche and become a respectable human being.

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  159. 1. [+15,643, -379] " Instead of criticizing another family, look at your own family and
    realize how pathetic you are for writing hateful things to a child."

    WTF, HARU HAVE HATERS?

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  160. Which is why I don't quite understand why SK can't implement similar practices (off days on weekends, cellphones etc). It could probably serve as a motivation/morale booster for the soldiers.

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  161. Not cool dude. If this artcle was talking about inkigayo or anything music related, I wouldn't mind, but on a controversial topic like this, not cool.

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  162. "i don't really agree with your point here because honestly nobody knows the true extent of the NK army."


    I suggest you go research it yourself. As secretive as it tries to be, there's plenty of details you can find online regarding the manpower/strength of the NK military, as well as their capabilities.


    Sure, the total amount spent isn't anywhere near to what SG and the IDF spends, but that doesn't change the fact that the North Koreans place the military on a level far higher in the social level. Women are also conscripted in North Korea.


    My point is that Israel being the most militarized nation in the world is simply not true. That's all. Otherwise, we're likely in mutual agreement in regards to "kyou"'s post.

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  163. So are you saying south korea doesn't really care about the safety of their soldiers,
    and singapore has no abuse cases in the army?
    Why do singaporean excessively trust the government?
    It's not right to say there's no abuse case becasue of there's no press reported about that.
    I think singaporean don't know the fact singapore has very low degree of freedom of press which is considered of a dictatorship.
    http://rsf.org/index2014/data/index2014_en.pdf

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  164. er... I never heard bout that.. I'm Malaysian.. and also follow some current issue.. but i never heard bout Malaysia & Indonesia threaten to bomb Singapore.

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  165. *Sigh*


    Did you miss the entire point that people were trying to make? People aren't being treated as the human beings they are which is why a change needs to take place within the military.

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  166. Idk..imo he may not be as popular as before but he's more known and has a higher market value..

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  167. An offended person often throw unwise words, that's it.


    Actually Indonesia consist of so many tribes/races, there are some separatist movements. One make peace and still want to be part of the country, one still active, and one already separated (East Timor).


    Hamas is like pimple, one doesn't destroy pimple and spurt all the blood in one's face with possible infection. Pimple must be treated from the root, excess oil? genetic?


    My point is Hamas sprouted as a resistance against Israel who they claimed stole their land. Quick search in Israel history and well, it seems Israel stole Palestine's land.

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  168. Lol I thought Krystal was Lee Young Jin (the actress who's known to look like Krystal) tbh

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  169. That is absolutely false. TV shows never represent races/ethnicities properly. Way too stereotypical

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  170. [+4,815, -464] Soojung's bangs ㅠㅠㅠ She's already been cast so I hope the role fits her and she shows great acting...!!!



    THUMB UP for ya knetz!
    let's just wait and see, you never know until you see it, even i know it's too fast.

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  171. You're right..the amount of government censorship here is ridiculously high..the PM even said that he does not mind the low ratings of freedom of press as long as we are high up in economic freedom -.-

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  172. i dont know about you guys that sorts of bully is like a normal thing in military. it is wrong when it takes someone's life. i know because i am part of the military system and i am a woman. no exception except for the length of time we are being bully. like men were to do knuckle planking for 30 minutes, women will do 15-20 only.

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  173. 6. [+2,474, -124] If our boys are sacrificing the best years of their
    lives to protect our country, then we need to protect them back.

    Truer words have never spoken.

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  174. 1. If one feels offended over politics, then may as well keep their lips shut or take a deep breath and explain it in a calm or logical manner.


    2. Having many tribes and ethnic groups with separatist movements does not justify deploying a company of troops to start shooting up unarmed protesters without warning.


    3. I'm sorry, but advocating for genocide of the other side isn't exactly what I would call 'resistance'. If you want an example of an actual resistance force, then you may want to refer to the Polish troops-in-exile and Home Army, Soviet partisans and Free French Forces in WW2 - neither of those advocated the death of all Germans or made it official policy to kill as many Germans as possible.


    4. Hamas is *not* a pimple. As I have stated above, it is a religiously extremist terrorist group, that is no different to the likes of ISIS, Al-Nusra, Islamic Front, and to name a few more examples, Ansar Bait al-Maqdis, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab and the list goes on.


    All of these fight in the name of their own twisted interpretation of Islam, and cannot be ever negotiated with. They belong in the 15th century. In Hamas' case - it also fights because it wants to maintain its grip on the Gaza Strip - and also played a role in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt by sending its own members, and the MB itself there is guilty of attacking other religious groups, burning down churches and even attacking police stations.


    Israel doesn't even occupy the Gaza Strip anymore, and certainly isn't interested in occupying a patch of land where a significant portion of the population is hostile and religious fundamentalists using them as human shields.

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  175. It's sick, but I'm sure shady stuffy happens in other militaries too. It's just that Korea's dirty laundry has been aired.

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  176. She's lovely with her mom. I apologize to say that the makeup on her face and p neck is so obviously different.

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  177. You think Indonesia is a threat? You're so cute. Indonesian people are too busy thinking about their own business and definitely not in the mood to attack you.

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  178. They should allow soldiers to have cell phones in the army and make a free anonymous app where people can report bullying, racism, sexual harrassement, violence, or anything that is illegal. Then people would think twice to bully someone when others are around. I know it's not a 100% solution, but they need a safe way to report things like this without leaving a trace to the wistleblower.

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  179. But baidu can't really proved who is more popular ... But well we definitely know who's up there

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  180. I think someone was sleeping in the history class

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  181. Looks like someone being abused.

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  182. Bullying isn't rare in S.Korea, they are champions in doing it, starting from primary school, all the way through the school years, and military. It's never ending.

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  183. Hul, Krystal looks a bit like Jiyeon here, or is it just me?

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  184. but Krystal's blonde hair..

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  185. I guess males in Australia have it good because it seems there's no conscription here since it was abolished in the 1970s. What we do have here are 'Army Reservist' which means you can have a life while serving the army.

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  186. Lol i kinda feel good Haru is acting like a kid her age... She always look so mature :) i kinda feel her.. My mom was a teacher so at timrs i was like "why my mom have to take care of those children? Shes my mom not theirs" lol i pretty much wanted her to.look at my face all day but she explained me it was her job and blah blah so yeah... I didnt complain about it anymore
    PS: whats the name of hye jungs drama??

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  187. In Malaysia, also some kids call their mom 'Mami~" from Penang..

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  188. "I think singaporean don't know the fact singapore has very low degree of freedom of press which is considered of a dictatorship."

    Lmao. We LIVE here. What makes you think we don't know??

    We do have low degree of freedom of press, but that is mostly in regards to politics. For other topics, that doesn't really apply. You'll be surprised at what does get reported. Deaths in the army amongst NSF (Full-time National Servicemen) - regardless of the reason - usually are on the news the day itself, with follow-ups the following days and when something new comes up. Everyone knows someone who is currently serving, about to enlist, or have a son/nephew/friend in NS, and things like deaths are not taken lightly.

    Parents are also getting extremely protective of their kids, increasingly so the past few decades. Minor changes were made to the army to ensure it's not as harsh as it was back in the 60s/70s - a recruit's mental and physical well-being are much more heavily prioritized now. All it takes is a call by the parent to the Ministry of Defence or the base itself and investigations will be launched from the very top - reviews of complaint being done, people called in, everyone getting interviewed etc. If anything vaguely bully-ish is found shit will hit the fan major time, and nobody wants to face the consequences for THAT, really... Remember that we grew up being very law-abiding citizens - this is still the same in NS.

    From what I heard, nobody really abuses their power in the army. Officers and sergeants and all the higher ranking officers are strict - obviously there has to be a certain amount of toughness because this is national service. BUT it is usually within the context of trainings, they are reasonable and do respect and view recruits as human beings. Officers/sergeants are usually of a similar age to the recruits (and are still completing their service - which means they themselves were recruits barely a year ago). They know everyone is there because it's mandatory thing - people just want to serve and get it over and done with. Personnels don't tend to purposely make things difficult just to spite someone.

    Everyone is usually also on friendly terms during off-hours. I have friends who are great friends with their higher-ups, and it's not uncommon to see pictures of the entire section going out for bowling/bbqs with their officers/PS etc.

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  189. Indonesia had its own share of dark past like most of country, but they worked it out by learning from the past and good neighborhood policy.

    What happened in Gaza is a matter of humanity, not religion. As far as I know their (Hamas? or who?) calling of genocide doesn't work, and I doubt they target all Jews in the world, probably just one near their home who happened to 'occupied' their land and probably will steal the remaining lands by driving them out or god forbid wiped them out. Israel stole their land before, who could assured Israel won't take the remaining land? (If I'm in their position I could become paranoid too).

    "It doesn't care about ordinary Palestinians. Not one bit."
    Palestine have really limited access due to Israel blocking, Hamas tunnel also used to smuggling goods not only weapon. And Hamas acts as government in Gaza strips, they make job employments, and well, they intend to protect Gaza.

    Israel military tech really sophisticated, they can deflect mini rocket from Hamas, but they purposely fired rocket to civilian homes or innocent kids played in the beach (Hamas claimed never stored rocket in civilian homes). What I see is, even if Hamas is wiped out, some resistance organization will sprout too unless the REAL PROBLEM addressed. The pimple problems.

    Hamas and Moslem Brotherhood have a tie, but called them as terrorist is slightly exaggerated, both are resistance groups who happened to have Islam as their foundation. I read a bit about MB philosophy, they quite modernized, they combined western thinking while still carrying their traditional value. They just happened to have bad members who take it to the extremes.

    About ISIS etc i can't comment, they seems like hostile group who tied to Al-Qaeda

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  190. Idk.if ts the bangs but i was like whos she?? For a while til it realized it was krystal.. She looks older..
    I just want to see Hoya again but im not feeling this drama.. Well see..

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  191. I don't think the kids' parts are scripted. For one, they are way too young - it's too difficult to get them to memorise lines or chunks of script and still act naturally. Kids at 7 or 8 years old might be possible but the oldest here is Haru, who is only 4. I work in production, and for kids we usually let them say whatever they want. We can get the adults though, however, to say stuff to "steer" the general direction of the convo.

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  192. Yes! So. Little. Screentime. It's a pity because she is rather mature and yet still every bit as sweet. She's hilarious.

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  193. Good luck to all. And Krystal looks beautiful with the bangs! :")

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