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Article: [Exclusive] Discovered with their life vests tied together... two children who left the world together

Source:
Kyunghyang via Naver

Diver 'A' (58 years old) discovered the body of two students who had tied their life vests together. "How terrifying it must've been for the young students facing death. They must have tied their life vests together to face death with each other."

With 35 years of diving experience, it was his third dive that day when he discovered the bodies. "I was hoping that I'd be able to save at least one life."

He had managed to get in the hall for passengers when he discovered two pairs of shoes. Shoving aside everything in his way, he discovered the body of the male student, the first corpse he's discovered so far on his rescue mission. He closed his eyes and brought his hands together for a brief moment of respect before attempting to push the male student outside of the ship. Instead, he was met with something heavier. Upon inspection, he discovered something hooked to the bottom of the student's life vest. After pulling it up, the body of a female student was unveiled.

Because the two bodies were too heavy for him to pull out of the ferry alone, he had to disconnect the rope holding them together and carry them out one after the other.

"It was the most surprising and heart wrenching moment of my life. Normally, bodies will float in the waters, but these two children must not have wanted to be apart. It broke my heart and left me in a daze. I felt all of the strength leaving my body and had to leave the bodies behind to collect myself above waters. It was difficult for me to deal with what I had seen alone. I called my daughter and asked, 'Daughter, how are you? My heart is breaking.'"

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1. [+18,122, -140] I cried while reading the story ㅠㅠ Please rest in peace

2. [+11,378, -86] How upsetting. The two must've been so close to each other. I always wondered how the divers dealt with seeing the bodies in the dark waters so it was interesting to read how they cope with the difficulties...

3. [+10,842, -350] I'm sorry, children. Because of us foolish adults, I'm sorry.. Rest in peace.

4. [+10,074, -141] Starting the morning off in tears again ㅠㅠ..

5. [+3,645, -73] Boys are taught from a young age to protect girls. Even on his road to death, I thank him for being an amazing man. I bet that the girl was less scared thanks to him. It's the adults who should be protecting the children but they're the ones who all ran. I'm sorry as an adult.

6. [+3,419, -36] This is sadder than the Titanic. I'm going crazy.

6. [+3,230, -22] I can't even imagine how scared they must've been. What a manly student. It's so sad to even imagine them trying to depend on each other through a horrific situation. Be happy in the sky.

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Article: "I am a criminal... I motioned for my wife to go back in to the cabins when she tried to come out"

Source: Hankyeore via Naver

The couple was celebrating their 30th anniversary on the ferry. "I was sitting on a sofa in front of the third floor cafeteria drinking coffee when the ferry suddenly started moving to one side. The sofa and the other children in the room were slammed into the wall."

He saw his wife try to come out to the lounge but motioned for her to go back in. "I heard an announcer tell everyone not to move from where they were and that it would be dangerous if we moved any further. I thought we could all live if we followed the directions. I didn't think that would be our last moment."

She is still missing. When asked if he has been eating, "How can I eat when people are watching? I am a criminal. What right do I have to eat when I am living without my wife?"

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1. [+138, -3] It is not a crime for you to be alive. You must live for your wife.

2. [+104, -1] It's not your fault... your wife thinks the same. Collect yourself.

3. [+86, -2] This is just too much... No words can ever console this. Find strength...

4. [+73, -2] Your wife will believe the sincerity you showed in her safety. Don't live your life in guilt.

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Article:
"I couldn't afford Nike shoes for my son, I'm scared I won't be able to find his body"... a mother who can't go into the gymnasium

Source: Kukmin Ilbo via Naver

A journalist discovered a mother outside the gymnasium for families waiting to hear news about body discoveries. "I had a mother tell me that the bodies were described using the brand names that they were wearing... Adidas, Nike, Polo... 'I didn't have enough money to afford brands like that for my son. I'm scared that I won't be able to find my child." She didn't want to stay in the gymnasium because she wanted to be able to see each body as they arrived since she wouldn't be able to identify his body based on brands he's wearing.

1. [+1,129, -4] My heart's going to explode... I can't believe she's blaming herself for not being able to afford brands for him and trying to find his body... I can't imagine what she's feeling now.

2. [+883, -5] Scared she won't find his body because she couldn't afford Nikes for him.........

3. [+614, -5] I'm going to cry no matter how hard I open my eyes

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Article:
Five year old girl 'Kwon'... mother discovered dead, father and brother still missing

Source: Segye Ilbo via Naver

During the sinking, her older brother (by 1 year) put her in his life vest and shoved her to the top of the ferry with their mother. Their mother was discovered dead. The brother and father are still missing.

1. [+566, -10] We will watch over your daughter... I am so sorry. I donated my monthly paycheck to do what I could... but I wanted to give more.

2. [+421, -11] When the five year old grows up... how are we to explain what happened to her?

3. [+389, -5] What can we do for that child...

4. [+343, -2] She lived with the immense love of her mother. I hope that she matures remembering the love her mother gave her.

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Article: Body with a tight grip on cellphone discovered... deaths rise to 163

Source:
Newsis via Nate

1. [+1,264, -17] How much he must've been waiting for his phone to work... to be able to send a text or a katalk. To at least be able to give one last call to his parents...

2. [+932, -16] I wonder if he was looking at pictures of his family and friends until his last moment... So upsetting, there are no words to describe this ㅜㅜ How scared he must've been.

3. [+859, -13] He probably still had hope that he'd be saved... until his hope was locked under somewhere dark and cold.

4. [+54, -1] He might've left a final message on his phone, please try to recover as much as possible...

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Article:
<9 days of rescue> Diver "Broke out in tears trying to spread open the palm of a body gripped in a fist like a fetus"

Source: Munhwa Ilbo via Nate

1. [+264, -28] If the bodies were in fetal position to keep warm, that means the water didn't get in all the way right away. There must've been an air pocket and an area for them to stay alive in ㅠㅠ If the water had gotten in rapidly, they wouldn't have been able to worry about their body temperature since they'd be trying to swim to the top as fast as possible. People must've been waiting in an area without much water filled up trying to keep warm and wait for rescue.

2. [+171, -14] That picture makes me choke up every time. People waiting to be saved behind those glass windows... ㅠㅠ

3. [+120, -3] I can't find words anymore

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215 comments:

  1. I hate that captain so much ....

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  2. yes, Japan did apologize for dozen of times. but in same time, some of the leaders or people inside the country did or said something in contrast. i guess it is more like (for me personally), i doubt their sincerity as nation. not to mention, they also didnt teach all to their young generation about what they did in past. i asked some of high school students in Japan if they aware about war crime during WW2 in south east asia countries other than China and Korea. they said "no", it was not written in the book. again, i wont say it on behalf of anyone, i am saying it as my own opinion. may be i am wrong.. but for those who still think Japan didnt apologize, i agree with you. THEY DID APOLOGIZE. :)

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  3. The Japanese invasion of Asia and the Pacific was a completely different ballgame to America's war against North Vietnam. Apples and oranges.


    Unlike the Vietnam War, the Pacific Front was where one nation indulged in ultrantionalist militarism hellbent in making an empire out of a whole geographical region where they run literally everything - and gladly did so everywhere they went.


    The Americans and their allies in Vietnam sure as hell didn't systematically enslave hundreds of thousands of women as sexual slaves, or murdering whole cities for laughs and giggles, forced millions into hard manual labor or had contests on who could kill the most POWs with swords.


    And to this day, elements of Japan's society still think that it was a good decision and think every single war crime committed is either a fabrication or simply downplay it while screaming out "JAPAN STRONG!!!!!!!! FOREIGNERS LIE!!!!! WE ARE PURE!!!!!"

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  4. digital reflects the public reception though. it's the reason why ranking on it, as opposed to physical sales, is the measure of how the song was accepted by the general public.


    i dont see how ranking high on it equals popularity (overall popularity) because if so then TVXQ, suju, exo would rank high.

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  5. Bieber thinks the Sistine Chapel is called the "Sixteenth Chapel"... trust me, he doesn't know South Korea from Chick Corea.

    http://youtu.be/PI_pwLyeoqk?t=1m13s

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  6. The song from High4 and IU is really beautiful. And of course they promoted them together with her because if not, just like someone said in the comments above, no one would have listemed to them and it would have been a pitty because they have good voices and the song is good.

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  7. How ignorant are you...

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  8. I don't think there was any different between AkMu and High4 when Akmu was introduced by Kpop Star and High4 was introduced by IU.


    I wonder what will happen to both of group if they debut with fresh start like any other rookies?

    Anyway, that song is 'not really' High4 debut song. Their rep already make a statement that they will come with mini album in short time. And this album they will promote it on music show.

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  9. [+438, -12] So he doesn't care about Korea. I'm sure his Korean fans were deeply hurt by this. Don't ever dare step foot in our country again, you're disgusting. Everyone in Korea hates you, including America and your homeland, Canada. I feel bad for you. You may have made a lot of money but that empty brain of yours proves just how much of a failure your life actually is.

    oh, darn

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  10. Happy for Jodie Foster :) and it's great to read comments supporting her.

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  11. I can kind of understand why netizens are pissed off. I mean in Poland there is Auschwitz - and there werw more Polish people killed there than anyone else including Jewish but people still (even politicians from another country which is like seriously just pathetic) say that it was Polish camp like we would be responsible for that. But no we weren't those were German camps just builded on the territory of our country. And we (Polish) still get offended by things like that so I kind of understand netizens' point of view.

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  12. no but the Americans supported the French whose policies lead to the death of millions of Vietnamese. Furthermore, there were a lot of atrocities committed by the Americans against the Vietnamese during the war. The Americans also agreed to paid the Vietnamese indemnities following the war but bailed. I'm not trying to compare one war vs. another nor am I trying to say this is worse than that. War is terrible and no matter how you dress it up, it will always be so.




    There are elements of every society that are idiots. There are hate crimes committed in America still to this day, but do we brand every American as a racist? No of course not. Why should we judge the Japanese on a segment of their population?

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  13. yet they have apologized MULTIPLE times. I feel like we've moved past my initial point. I'm not trying to argue that the Japanese did not commit terrible atrocities during the war because they did.

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  14. theylovemecuzimREALApril 24, 2014 at 3:27 AM

    2ne1 didnt debut with lollipop.

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  15. Yes I agree and just to add on. Those kpop groups were sent there to solely make money , more money, nothing but money for their companies and themselves. Their personal feelings are disregarded, whether they like Japan or not.

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  16. But I've also met other Japanese who were taught about their crimes. It's like the trail of tears and what Americans did to Native Americans. I was taught about it but in the school district next to me, my friends weren't taught about it. Plus there are Holocaust deniers in America and there are also others in America who claim every war is just. I don't think we can judge their entire nation based on the acts of a few individuals. It would be like judging all of America by the actions of a few idiots.

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  17. I think you're missing my point completely. My point is that the rest of Asia is not as concerned over these matters as China and Korea are. If you poll the SE Asian countries, they are more concerned about China and contesting the islands in the South Pacific. (spratlay islands, etc). In no way nor shape am I disregarding the views of the minority but at the same time, Sino-Japanese and Korean-Japanese relations does not embody how the rest of Asia feels about Japan.

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  18. This PARTICULAR prime minister visits the shrine because he panders to Japan's far right to garner votes. He also holds some far right views himself. BUT there have been plenty of past prime ministers who did not visit the shrine. Also, Shinzo Abe's election was more so due to his Abenomics plan than anything else. Japan desperately wants to get out of the recession they have been in for the past 2 decades.

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  19. Your comment make Singapore look like a joke.
    The Singaporean government acknowledges about the Japanese occupation. Singapore has such high censorship rules, yet dramas depicting the brutal Japanese occupation were broadcasted on local free-to-air channels. Our social studies textbooks all contain a chapter about the Japanese occupation and the hardships of our forefathers. It's not like our government completely denied its existence.
    The Singapore government cares about the past war crimes that the Japanese had committed. But it can't openly disapprove Japan. We are a small country. We need the diplomatic ties for our futures. We can't afford to maintain the hostility with Japan forever. Furthermore, Japan inflicted the most damage on China and Korea during the WW2. That's why their hatred is much stronger.

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  20. hahahhaha too bad you are part of the minority who dislike this song *_* not to mention it's just a collaboration song to get high4's name known it shouldn't be compared to her biggest hits

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  21. He makes an apology for his mistake but in his comment he does not give his love to the country he offended.



    Did he visit S.Korea or was that his doppelganger?

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  22. 7. [+47, -11] Don't know about High 4 but Akdong and Park Shi Hwan have great songs

    8. [+37, -2] Yeah, I wouldn't have even listened to the song if not for IU



    well, now you know them and/or heard the song. mission accomplished.

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  23. idk man, IU is 20 years old and all of her self composed songs have charted. The latest achieving a PAK and still charting after 5 months. Idt it's just popularity. Even though she's already 5 years (or something) into her career and has big hits, I still find her promising.

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  24. If I apologise for something atrocious I did to you but then i continue denying what I did to the whole world as well as educate my future generations that I was the victim while visiting a place that honours the perpetrators of the atrocities, would you still think my apology is sincere?

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  25. are you a "rest of asia" person? as for me, i am not american, nor i talked on behalf of america since i know nothing about them.
    my point is, dont use your judgement to generalize those "rest of asia" if you are not sure about it.
    moreover "not as concerned as" is not equal to "doesnt care", am i wrong?
    i am an "rest of asia" people, and i found your statement was offensive. because, I DO CARE. and i believe a lot of people in my country DO CARE too. just because our voice is small compare to china and korea, doesnt mean we dont care. and just because we also concerned about what you called as "contesting" the islands, doesnt mean we dont care about this matter.

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  26. Actually.... I think what Bieber meant was he originally thought shrines were places of worship / prayers. Bieber is a very religious Christian , and in Christianity there is only the church and their 1 God. So Bieber probably doesn't have any good impressions of shrines. But he later found out in Japan, that shrines can also be used to commemorate the dead. Hence, albeit the grammar mistakes, Bieber said "I was mislead to think the shrines were places of prayer." Then apologized to China and japan (by saying he love them) and not S Korea, because he saw the shrine in Japan, and assumed that there are shrines in China. But think there aren't in the rest of Asia. Just so happened that the particular shrine that he visited was the Yasukuni shrine.

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  27. 1. [+530, -139] Before the Sewol Ferry accident, I used to think things
    like this were dirty... but not anymore... Everybody should live how
    they want to live. You never know when or how you're going to die, just
    live doing what you want to do. You only live once after all..

    THIS!

    and i just knew jodie foster is a gay. quite shocking. and congratulations of your marriage!

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  28. The problem is that the people who apologized in the past are no longer in power, and their successors happen to be completely different folks.


    I believe what former PM Murayama in the 90s was quite honorable and respectful - namely, actually apologizing for what Japan did, publicly as well as setting up the Asian Woman's Fund that compensated to surviving victims - particularly the comfort women.


    He even personally apologized to then-president Roh Taewoo. Had the Japanese government continued what Murayama did, I think it's safe to say that relations - particularly between Korea and Japan - would be much warmer (as well as Korea accepting the AWF as a whole).

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  29. I'm quite sure it was an ignorance issue more than any thing else. His PR team likely told him to apologize to the main players only.

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  30. disqus_QBwmIa4ChaApril 24, 2014 at 5:02 AM

    whats wrong paying respect to fallen soldiers, not every japanese soldier was a war criminal

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  31. 1. [+448, -252] Just think of it this way. If someone told us straight people to be gay, would we be able to? It doesn't make sense, right? We were born straight. We couldn't do it even if we wanted to. So why are we telling gay people to be straight? People are born the way they are, case closed. Live the way you were born as happily as possible.
    Preach this people^

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  32. Yea. Most people (including me) might have only listened to and bought the song initially for iu, but they stayed for the song. The song is actually pretty good and fits well with the season and I see a lot of people relating to the lyrics.

    People won't still be streaming the song if it was terrible, even if it's iu.

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  33. disqus_rw5oVxADqDApril 24, 2014 at 5:19 AM

    media play media play, what about #1 15&??? CANT HIDE IT SOOOO GOOD< SO AMAZING

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  34. Nope not true. This is regarding the most recent visit: "Singapore on Sunday expressed its regrets over Abe's visit, fearing that his act "is likelyto evoke further negative feelings and reactions in the region."
    "Our consistent position has been that such visits reopen old grievances, and areunhelpful to building trust and confidence in the region," a Foreign Ministry spokesmansaid.

    "It is in the interest of all parties to exercise restraint, avoid actions which might further raise tensions, and seek to create an environment of greater mutual trust andunderstanding," the spokesman said."


    Singaporean diplomacy is marked by caution and playing by the larger nations' rules. This statement was released with recognition that the US and Japan might not be pleased, but nonetheless it had to be said.

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  35. Would be better if IU sings it alone. These 4 guys ruined the song for me, especially the rap part.

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  36. *stands and applauds all comments*

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  37. And to think that all he had to do was take that phone he was tweeting with and google search 'Yasukuni Shrine' and he would never have made the mistake in the first place...
    #thinkbeforeyoutweet

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  38. If he had access to Twitter he had access to the internet...aka google is your friend

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  39. scrolling through the comments and im thinking "wow, this feels like history. and social studies (singaporeans would know)"

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  40. and can we take a moment, AWAY from the biebs to congratulate Jodie F?

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  41. I don't know about you but my grandfather is Vietnamese and if you even dare to breath out "Japan" in the house prepare for a slipper to the face and a 3 hour lecture. (But in all seriousness Japan did some nasty ass shit with their human experimentation plants and spreading diseases.. Just thinking of i makes me shiver)

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  42. Thank you for the detailed answer. I actually whole-heartedly agree with what you say there, and do not disagree with it at all (in fact, I try to say this to people I know, but they either dodge it completely, think I'm reading the wrong history books or simply pro-Japan)


    I would however, say that the nationalism in Japan had been present before the PRC's rhetoric and recklessness regarding the Senkaku Islands and towards Japan overall (and in response, Japan dedicating more to its armed forces capabilities)


    The uyoku dantai groups and those with similar mindsets as them were notoriously known for making even death threats to those in Japan that admitted war crimes, and had been consistently downplaying said crimes long for quite some time + the amount of revisionism/white-washing in their history textbooks doesn't help either.


    In the public front though, honestly, I still think the Asia Women's Fund was perhaps the best choice at the time (after all, Park Chunghee is a completely different person to say, Roh Taewoo), and would have had the best chance in making cooler relations. Of course, the Korean politicians share their slice of the blame as well (Park Geunhye being one recent example).


    That being said, I think we're in fair mutual agreement in regards to this topic.


    Here's to hoping cooler heads would one day prevail :)

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  43. And he apologized to Japan ...the ones who did it instead of Korea?

    Lol, weird

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  44. Tbh if I were to go on trip and see pretty place, I'll take a picture there even I dunno what was that.. Just for memories.. And more important if I didn't know how to read words written there and nobody to ask or telling me. Call me ignorant but that's the truth.

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  45. but ocne he realized his mistakes it's not like he apologized to korea either, didn't even aknowledge them

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  46. 1. [+530, -139] Before the Sewol Ferry accident, I used to think things like this were dirty... but not anymore... Everybody should live how they want to live. You never know when or how you're going to die, just live doing what you want to do. You only live once after all..
    actually not this accident but a small accident can also will lead people to think in different ways.

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  47. That shrine is still relevant nowadays because the prime minister of japan still likes to visit it from time to time and anger their neighbours

    it's stupid

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  48. lol yeah, I think that's made it even worse than it was. He could have just apologized to korea and china but no

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  49. there's hope reading all the comments tbh

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  50. he fucked up big time tbh

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  51. they ARE riding in her fame, there's no need to deny what's obvious.
    However that doesn't make them bad, I like the blue guy's voice a lot

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  52. This probably isn't relevant to most people but the timing is super awkward since ANZAC day is tomorrow. Lucky that Bieber isn't Australian or a New Zealander.

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  53. I think the commonwealth nations contributions are often underplayed in mainstream books, rarely is it explained what they were doing or any major battles they fought just that they were involved in the war and were on what side.

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  54. Well, I would have done a tad bit more research before travelling. ... just to not tick anyone off...

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  55. Well High4 is a rookie group, so they needed the pronation, though having IU helping is a big jump.

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  56. Akdong Musician is a really talented duo. I was thinking twice whether or not I should get into them until I listened to their song 200% and Melted. I have these two songs on repeat... especially Melted<3

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  57. Canadian #6 checking in. Confirmed.

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  58. Never heard of High 4.

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  59. I watched Park Sihwan on Superstar K and after all that I'm glad he's getting recognition. He did not win the thing but he got as far as Top 2. Great, considering he's tried out from Season 1 to Season 4 and never got in.

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  60. High 4? u mean IU? lol

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  61. Japanese WW2 soldiers mistreated a whole lot more nationalities than just the Chinese & Koreans...

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  62. Me too :( so many Japanese killed priests inside our university's chapel. It was so scary and creepy. Apparently, they weren't able to compeletely remove the blood stains. No matter how much painting they did, it never came off (until recently) it's in the philippines too

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  63. Lol who the hell are High 4

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  64. Nugus riding on IU's fame.

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  65. Have you tried some classic Japanese tentacle movies? :P

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  66. Nah, 95% of people won't give a fuck if IU wasn't there. It would be the usual "just another nugu group, meh" reaction.

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  67. I say they are pretty irrelevant, and even without them the song would have done well in the chats.

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  68. You just have bad taste...

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  69. 1. [+11,565, -106] Don't think of visiting Korea ever again ㅡㅡ



    Korea is not a lucrative place for the singers to make money, so don't worry too much about that.

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  70. They're a bunch of hypocrites lol...same crap different day

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  71. I think all South East Asians can relate with the ghost stories. Here in the Philippines, there's even an island where ghosts from WWII are lingering.

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  72. Yeah we honestly don't learn about it or at least not in great detail. The only chance we would learn is in university and ONLY IF you take the course as an elective. :/

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  73. Honestly, history is completely watered down. The annoying thing is that we learn about aboriginals BUT it repeats over and over again in elementary-middle school. (At least that's how it is in ontario). We ONLY touch on the world wars in high school. And in high school history courses aren't that common. My school only had one world history course but, it's focus was on world history of the past like the Greeks, Egyptians, etc.

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  74. But didn't japan take back their apology? At least that's what I've heard.

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  75. It was 2NE1's first ever released song, and the song credits listed 2NE1 as the artists, left out Big Bang. So it was their de facto debut and it dominated.

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  76. How about you do you learn about China 5000 years history until cultural revolution ? kkk

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  77. Mariana Ferreira AlbuquerqueApril 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM

    Are you talking about Corregidor Island ? I searched it up and it's so creepy.
    I personally passed by Poveglia Island - said to be the most haunted island in the world - when I went to Venice and I got the chills.


    I took a photo of it because I am a fan of Ghost Adventures but still... scary.

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  78. uh, South Korea has became the 10th biggest music market according to Billboard:

    https://twitter.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/453394477911392256

    It may not be big, but it's sending a message.

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  79. I'm aware because of internet and did not make a fuse over past history and keep bringing this shrine for political move.

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  80. BTW, Billboard Biz has an article on Justin Bieber visit to the shrine:

    http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/global/6069740/justin-biebers-shrine-visit-angers-korea-twice

    Fuse TV also reported on this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CvtvAJ9t5U

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  81. If you want to know more about how this shrine anger Koreans, you can read these:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Yasukuni_Shrine

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  82. Don't care what they say. High4 had a great debut. And it was IU that wanted to help. She tweeted her support on her own. She wasn't forced.

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  83. IU was doing that herself. That's her deal not just High4's.

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  84. Exactly. Thank you.

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  85. Yeah and let's not forget about what he did in South Korea last year:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/justin-bieber-storms-dj-booth-south-korea-club-demands-hip-hop-music-report-article-1.1484662

    http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5755419/justin-bieber-accused-of-shirtless-attack-on-dj-in-korea

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  86. If you want to know more about the shrine, read this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_surrounding_Yasukuni_Shrine

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  87. Dondo the supamidaApril 24, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    totally, it's not like the Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand,Singapore,Indonesia and like 10+ more countries were affected.

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  88. How about Dutch, Portuguese, & England?
    It seems people focused on Japan much more since they're the last one who come and occupied Indonesian after beaten Dutch in 1942.

    Oot, but how about Usman Harun, to singaporean they are terrorist (MacDonald House bombing tragedy which kill 3 people) but Indonesian regard them as hero and use their name for Indonesia warship.

    http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/opinion/indonesias-gen-moeldoko-apologize-usman-harun-ship/

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  89. Also can't forget slavery for blacks too. A lot of terrible things have taken place in so many different countries.

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  90. I truly believe both you guys are wrong and right. Yes, the Yasukuni Shrine has historical significance outside of what occurred during WWII to Japanese citizens. For that reason, you should be able to honor your family for their services during previous wars prior to WWII but the horrendous crimes committed by Japan soliders during WWII shouldn't be glorified. I believe all the Asian countries affected by these acts during WWII by Japan soliders have every right to be angry. Especially if the government refuses to teach their citizens about the positive and negative affects their political and social views have done to other countries.
    Yes, American wars have victimized other countries and its own citizens such as the placement of Japanese citizen into concentration camp during WWII or the Iraq and Vietnam War. (A lot of these wars weren't done for the most concrete reasons.) Yes, our history books don't always emphasizes our own country's history. My country (I'm American) is guilty of social and political crimes as well but like many people have stated before this blog site focuses on Korean pop culture and sometimes social issues affecting Koreans.

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  91. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmNF1fIyHeg

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  92. Was it 10 years ago? Well, then that is true, a whole decade of changes. I feel it's definitely taboo, but they've made progress. I mean, how can you not in 10 years in this day and age.

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  93. Yes I am and hopefully we do see each other XD LOL it'd be pretty cool XD

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  94. Netizens are always like 'no one even knows them' oh shut up

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  95. He's done a lot of other strange things too but, w/e *shrugs*

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  96. uhm not really, i think the amount of fucks people give to justin lessens. they jumped to the directioner ship.

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  97. In k pop industry for rookie to be known either they have to debut from top agency or they have to be from shows like kpopstar no matter how good their song is. so i'm actually glad that IU helped high4 for their debut. Atleast they are known. for next they just need to release good song in coming days. i love this song it's so smooth and addicting

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  98. haven't you heard IU's own written song? it's damn good. her own composition has always been favourite of mine. i wouldn't mind to say that IU is one of the best songwriter singer of k pop. this song with IU is pretty good. for me it's best song among recently released rookie's song. it's simple but addicting though it's not IU's composition but lyrics by IU is so beautiful.

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  99. In k pop industry for rookie to be known either they have to debut from top agency or they have to be from shows like kpopstar no matter how good their song is. so i'm actually glad that IU helped high4 for their debut. Atleast they are known. for next they just need to release good song in coming days. i love this song it's so smooth and addicting

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  100. haven't you heard IU's own written song? it's damn good. her own composition has always been favourite of mine. i wouldn't mind to say that IU is one of the best songwriter singer of k pop. this song with IU is pretty good. for me it's best song among recently released rookie's song. it's simple but addicting though it's not IU's composition but lyrics by IU is so beautiful.

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  101. In k pop industry for rookie to be known either they have to debut from top agency or they have to be from shows like kpopstar no matter how good their song is. so i'm actually glad that IU helped high4 for their debut. Atleast they are known. for next they just need to release good song in coming days. i love this song it's so smooth and addicting

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  102. I know, but South Korean are going to used JB's beatdown on a DJ last year as another reason for not wanting JB in SK.

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  103. What excuse do you need as a singer to release a song?

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  104. honestly, since I'm not from asia shrines to me are palace of worship and only that. if i saw a pretty shrine i wouldn't think twice of it because i didn't know that it could be used for something else. also, japan doesn't have english signs like in korea and people don't speak english as much, so its not like i can just ask anyone what its about. yes its ignorance, and for the Frank house incident it was his mistake, but this one he can't be blamed for it.

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  105. I am not interested in political issue too and its not only about political thing here, but humanity. But still wondering if you are talking like this as representative of your people or personal opinion. As i mentioned your country before, but seems you were not agree with it. If your country doesnt see it as insensitive act from japanese government toward victims of WW2 eventhough they are aware about this shrine issue,then i shall apologize for my previous comment and exclude your country name. Or on the other hands, they might care, but they are just not aware. You explain..

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  106. haven't you heard IU's own written song? it's damn good. her own composition has always been favourite of mine. i wouldn't mind to say that IU is one of the best songwriter singer of k pop. this song with IU is pretty good. for me it's best song among recently released rookie's song. it's simple but addicting though it's not IU's composition but lyrics by IU is so beautiful.

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  107. congrats :( i want JYP to produce for miss A his songs always the best

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  108. oh, I need to answer all of your questions. I doubt this is humanity issue to government it's matter of nationalism pride and political issue.

    Indonesian generally aware about japanese occupation but not about this shrine as it not thought in our history lesson book. If you're going to pick my generalization comment as topic to debate, go ahead.

    That's why you build Ahn Jung-geun Memorial Hall to honor your hero who considered as terrorist in Japan.

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  109. he was like wow looks like a nice let's take some pics. and doesn't know what the fuck it's? i don't get the hate over this!!!he is stupid anyway lol

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  110. Just because most of iu's compositions aren't upbeat pop songs, it doesn't mean that they're terrible.

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  111. amaya aguero monzonApril 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM

    yes they did ! fire was their official debut but lollipop came first.

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  112. Not Spring, Love, or Cherry Blossoms was fine, would be better w/o the rappers *____*

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  113. well they get popular by themselve in the show, they were in ghe charts even before joinning YG,... but they get know by their music in the show by their own effort

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  114. yepp 2ne1 did participated with bigbang for a endorment, it was ntot heri debut, their debut was "fire"... the thing here is let is see if High4 can carry on int eh charts by themselves... if they do , then their no need of all this IU shade

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  115. they did not debut with that song theri debuf was "fire"

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  116. well Is AKMU official debut... is like if Lee Hi make a comeback and still considerate rookie... it could not happen

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  117. It is sad that East Asian countries didn´t move on as Europe did. My country was devastated by Nazi Germany, some parts simply slaughtered by Nazi Army, and after WWII it was occupied by the Soviet Union, almost the same scenario - 45 years! I even grew up close to Soviet Army camps. But do I see Germans or Russians as enemies? No. Do I ask for apologies for what those countries did decades ago? No. Because I was taught by my parents (my father was a prisoner of conscience) and especially my grandparents (who actually lived through those awful times and my grandfather never physically recovered after being tortured and imprisoned in WW2 camps) that the most important thing is to forgive - for your own sake and sanity and ability to move on - not to forget but to forgive and never burdened next generation with your personal hate or burdens. That it is important for their children to start from the beginning with your former enemy´s new generation and built better place together so those awful things won´t happen ever again. Maybe naive but I believe it´s the right way. Sorry for my grammar.

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  118. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

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  119. Your analogy fails to hold up because you are one individual. I would not think you are sincere but you are judging 127 million people based on a few politicians. There are some in the Diet who are left leaning and sympathetic to the concerns raised here but there are others who are very far right and those are the ones you are having trouble with.

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  120. Not gonna defend him, but he was just passing by took some pics and seems he wasn't on a vacation with kind of travel agent and guide or something... And I had no idea for the Anna Frank's case, I don't follow any news about him btw. Thanks for inform me. But, why blame him with that?? I don't get it.

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  121. Aren't 15& 1st??? Such a lack of recognition...

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  122. where at?? 15& is high up on some charts but certainly not first.

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  123. the thing is though is that even though they have IU's help and the song is doing well because she wrote it and is heavily used in the song the boys themselves aren't really distinguishable. sure I'll probably check out their next song to see what they do without IU but if it isn't good then I will never take another look at them.

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  124. I just wish they stood-out more :/ I think the singers were fine but not the rappers

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  125. HIgh4 has IU. jtune has mblaq but I really liked this mblaq comeback. it's just not everyone is into their music. too bad. they are vocally strong, have awesome stage presence and good music!

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  126. it's just your style. when they were in kpop star I didn't really get into them but when I listened to their stuff later IT JUST STAYED IN MY HEAD AND I WAS ALWAYS HUMMING IT AND STUFF. lol there music always puts me in a good mood now.

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  127. yeah but I said it should be IU, High4 instead lol not that they are bad but I feel like they half the group doesn't stand out

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  128. I felt that it's not the song they aren't recognizing it's HIGH4. if you take out high4 i would still listen to the song and it wouldn't make a difference. that means they don't add anything new to the mix.

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  129. FOX did the same thing but they did Bangkok, Thailand instead lol

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  130. They were doing vocal training long before they were picked up by a company. I'm sure that they would have studied music or musical acting in college if they didn't make it into SM. Suho may have had 7 years of vocal training, but his voice is still "weaker"(less control) than Baekhyun's and Jongdae's. Jongdae has a much wider vocal range than the others. There is a reason SM put them in EXO even though they had technically only trained with the company for 3 months. They had the vocal power that EXO was lacking. Baekhyun and D.O do the backing vocals on every song for K including OT12 Mandarin and Korean versions. Chen does backing vocal on every M song including OT12 Mandarin and Korean versions. They are the only three you can find on every track of their respective groups entire catalog. Baekhyun and Jongdae(Chen) are also the only ones who preformed on Immortal Song 2 every time and do the covers and joint vocal stages at SM concerts and vocal units...just like how Jongin(Kai) does all the dancing/performance centered units.

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  131. They are on gaon

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  132. It took IU 3 years to be known by the public. If IU can do it, why can't they do it too?

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  133. But will anger the Japanese fans (well the one that has a grudge against Korea and China).

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  134. for every successful iu, there are hundreds/thousands that never make it.


    since iu is friends with one of the members, she wanted to make sure that he won't fail like the rest of them

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  135. http://nation.time.com/2012/12/11/why-japan-is-still-not-sorry-enough/

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  136. sure sure but its a very distant 10 no big deal JB can go just fine without Skorea

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  137. Ghost stories in Malaysia? Heheh... there are lots.. the Japanese ghost stories are pretty common. My old school can hear soldiers marching if you go to the changing room. So the teachers had to put a sign to go with a friend. But school is okay laa.. university is the big problem. ;( Have to be careful and pray a lot for Muslims.

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  138. Were there no informational boards or something? Gosh jb

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  139. in National Geographic program "I don't want to go there" Japan occupation in Malaysia and Indonesia is described (and their relation to local ghost story). it's located in history museum in Malaysia and Lawang Sewu (preserved historical building) in Indonesia.

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  140. Not gonna defend him, but he was just passing by, took some pics, and seems he wasn't on a vacation with kinda tour agent and guide or something... And I had no idea for Anna Frank's case. I don't follow news about him btw. Thanks for inform me, but why blame him by that case? I don' get it. You kinda out of topic..

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  141. I can't blame him for not knowing. It's not really his fault. I'm Indonesian and we don't even learn about other Asian countries (well, we learned about Japan, but basically it is about how they invaded our country and how we freed ourselves. The main focus is still Indonesia).


    But If I were him, I would read the guide book or something... just to make sure I don't make a mistake posting it on the internet

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  142. I'm with you, I even read in brief about the rising tension between japan and china because japan's pm visited some shrine, but never catched on the shrine's name. It's not that he's ignorant, he just didn't know.

    But, he should be careful next time, famous people is treated differently over mistakes

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  143. Yeah, I honestly can't blame him for not knowing because it's honestly not common knowledge for a lot of people. And even with a guide book thing, he probably had a tour guide or was told that "____ is a great place to see in Japan." So honestly, I can't even say it's all his fault...cause' honestly, I think it's just ignorance.

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  144. I don't expect him to use South Korea or even doing a Korean-language album at any point (because he can't sing in other language). But other artists may try to take advantage of the Korean music market (ie: Little Mix did this) to ride on the K-pop popularity (which I have a feeling Taiwanese artists may try do in the future). South Korea is #10, but it shows that K-pop's global popularity has power. The next time ask if K-pop is really that globally popular I'll used that Billboard article to prove it.

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  145. ImArnoldSchwarzeneggerApril 24, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    Of course I was exaggerating

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  146. It's not like JB purposely went there to piss off Korea and China? He was ignorant about it and that's it. I guess I also wouldn't be welcome in Korea if I went to this Japanese shrine not knowing what it was? It's different if he knew, but he didn't...

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  147. beating around the bush..

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  148. Where is 15& what is this injustice

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  149. I'm from Singapore. We do study about WW2 in school and when Japanese students visit the school, we are told not to show them our textbook or tell them anything about WW2. This is probably a message from the Japanese side. Thou we are not like Chinese or Koreans, going on the street to demand, we are taught that the Japanese only surrendered because of nuclear bombs from USA. That maybe the reason why Japan does not acknowledge they lost to china or Korea or do they need to apologise since china or Korea never defeated them. The main reason why citizens of affected Asian countries could not forgive and forget like EU citizens towards Germany is because Japan does not sincerely admit their mistake and apologise. They do not educate their people that they started war due to the need of more resources which they could only get from invading other countries. They said they went to help out other countries who requested for their leadership. Which is a ton of bullshit since the very start of the whole event, that is why the soldiers in ww2 are honroable and they died honourably

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  150. No it does because we look at it collectively as one nation so one politician or diplomat's actions affects the rest of the country. There is no collective national effort to address the concerns, no laws like in Germany which is why those denials even exist in the first place!

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  151. Congrats to Jodie! I wish her the best!


    As for Bieber, as much as I hate his personality I admit I would of been in his same spot for that shrine picture cause I never really knew about it until now

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  152. Of course you shouldn't be responsible for what your GREAT grandfather did if your government and your great grandfather acknowledge and apologized for what they did. The reason that most victims are still holding grudge is become Japan is constantly denying the war crime. Look at Germans, not as much people still hold the grudge towards them because they actually felt guilty about all their doing.

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  153. Yeah it is. It's still true though.


    Yeah he is kinda dorky.

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  154. Yeah but they are entering their third year of promotions. I'm sure they are as excited as ever, just not enough to think twice about their life decisions lol (and if they thought that I would think it's from much more complicated stuff in their lives that simply stepping up on the stage).

    When I say "not the same thing at all" I'm not talking about the audience or how it feels to be in front of them, but their performance and what it entitles.

    Having to learn an entire script, developing chemistry with the cast, giving a good acting performance, and sing LIVE (in the proper musical way), yeah I don't think it's the same thing at all.

    "And I thought that people grew bored of mention EXO's lip syncing after all this time." This is not about getting bored or not wtf. They are my favorite group but I know their performances and I'm going to mention it if it has to do with the argument. As simple as that.

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  155. 15& debuted in 2012.... they aren't considered as rookies

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  156. The key is not to be ignorant when visiting another country. He can't be bothered to educate himself. ...he's too busy smoking weed and racing on city streets

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  157. American #3 checking in, confirmed.

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  158. Understandable. But we can't know everything about a culture (it's history, sensitivities, etc); we are bound to miss something-- even important historical information.
    The key is learning from your mistake and not doing the same thing. Another key is to be forgiving (allowing room for error or weakness-- which we have a lot of as humans). That's how we move forward and move past while remember where we come from.

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  159. I agree, Canadian schools should really extend the learning so it isn't always focused on Canada (especially when Canada doesn't do much) Sucks cause my highschool doesn't even have a world history course, we only have a Canadian Studies course.

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  160. Pretty much yeah. I'm Filipino & I don't understand why the East Asians are mad.

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  161. Haha! Anong school yan? =)

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  162. Try listening to open arms luhan isn't really unstable with long high notes. Suho's more confident than him because he's trained longer and he can definitely carry out the role. He did snatch his role because Suho's korean lines are always luhan's chinese lines so what's the whole point of sm making the sub units if luhan who's in M gets to sing both version while suho can't sing the korean version in his homeland? know what i'm saying? luhan takes up suho's spotlight and it's not a good thing.

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  163. It's known that kyungsoo did have lessons before debut but even so suho's training period could have been longer if you mention predebut eras. Suho's voice isn't weak it's just that he hasn't been able to show all he's got because sm hasn't let him shine enough. Luhan doesn't have a lot of control over his vocals, he's shaky and needs to control his breathing and long notes. The problem with the leads is that there's obvious favoritism. Luhan is a lead and Suho's a lead yet luhan receives more attention than Suho when they both have equal roles in the group and it's annoying because luhan's everywhere when it comes to vocal promotions. Suho didn't take part in the MID promotions and the lines that luhan did Suho could've done. His parts weren't hard. Luhan's an M member so it was really harsh of sm to let luhan take Suho's spot when they were promoting in Korea and not China which is the only promotions that luhan should do given the sub unit he is in.

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  164. I don't think you know how it works. Everybody's supposed to be treated equal but luhan takes up more than half of Suho's spotlight. They should be treated equally. They're both leads so sm should treat them equally so fans like you wouldn't title Suho as a sub-vocal and luhan as a main vocal. Luhan did snatch Suho's spot because those were K's promotions not M's so he didn't have to go in and sweep in Suho's spot. How would fans feel if Suho went and took luhan's part in M's song and promoted with them when he's a K member? It's just unfair and having too much luhan being stuffed on our faces will make suho stans angry and others bored.

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  165. I agree with you. Before reading about this controversy i didn't even know about this shrine...not defending bieber but like who would pull out their phone to google a shrine to see what it's for when they just pass by on their way to somewhere else? but since he's a celeb, he should have been more careful...at least ppl who were with him should have told him. I'm second year in college, not history major, and I have never come across this shrine in my GE history courses o_o

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  166. If it is big mama i couldn't say more :).

    Thank you:). You teach me a lot and gave these kind of informations. Thanks a lot. Hahahha~~~ sorry for exo's fans because i asked something that not related with exo.

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  167. Wow, even as an educated person and who at one point was really into reading up information regarding WWII, I do not remember knowing about Yasukuni Shrine.



    Anyway, about Jodie, good for her! I like how knetz are behind her...esp. the #1 comment about can't make a straight person gay. Also, glad ppl are more accepting now 'cuz people only live once and life is just so unexpected so peole should be happy

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  168. My thoughts exactly.
    What i also don't understand, or maybe I just refuse to, is the amount of hate Koreans have towards Japan mainly because they were colonized for approximately 50 years, as what I've heard in one of those Seoulistic videos in YouTube.


    Well the Philippines was colonized, discriminated and even deprived of rights by Spain for 333 years. The bravery of the Filipino heroes against the Spaniards & every inhumane thing that was done to our Filipino ancestors will always be in our history textbooks but that was a looong time ago. Move on.

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  169. It's okay I really like talking with other people about this kind of stuff, and if it had been in another forum I could've gone on and on forever.



    But EXO territory is like a bomb site, you have to be careful about every action lol.



    Anyway take care ^w^

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  170. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWe4vtO_d9Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKr9GU9emfg

    Listened to both of these versions and IMO Luhan had good strong vocals in both of those clips.


    Luhan sometimes lacks good larynx placement, but on the other hand Suho sometimes lacks proper breathing technique, duration of training means nothing, it's what you do within that duration that matters



    Each have their own flaws and strengths.



    On another note though... you keep pointing out that K and M are suppose to promote separately because that's the whole point of the sub units I totally agree with that, however I still stand by my previous statement. And in the end their group motto is "WE ARE ONE!"


    I'm not going to go too deeply into the whole Luhan taking up Suho's spotlight thing, because honestly as an ELF I can't even begin to have an opinion on that. ^w^

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  171. is just a comment. did i say anything about me dislike exo? -.- and this news appear on netizenbuzz i have my rights to read every news kthxbye. (:

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  172. I mean digi charts. Why aren't they up in the digital charts in general

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  173. Nisam siguran da sam razumeo poruku,ako je ono sto mislim da jeste,onda je to krajnje bezobrazno reci.Hteo sam da kazem da mi je drago sto sam video jos nekog sa ovih prostora,ali sad i nisam bas siguran.

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  174. I admit, I would check put High4 because of IU's collab with them lol..

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  175. Don't get mad at me, I'm just saying that that's how they've been treated. I guess I made it sound like that IS their role, but what I WANT to say is that that's how they're made out to be in the end. Xiumin should also be considered more of a dancer but they don't give him enough screen time. Sehun is given the role of main but they tend to stick him in the back for choreos most of the time, too, although Growl was a very good exception.
    I don't think Suho was ever a lead, though. I feel like SM only wanted 4 leads and 2 mains. I'm just saying that Suho's role is basically being shown as a sub-vocal.
    I feel like SM wanted it like this:
    Lead: Baekhyun, D.O., Luhan, Chen
    Main: Lay, Suho
    Rappers: Tao, Kris, Chanyeol, Xiumin, Kai, Sehun
    Dancers: Lay, Kai, Sehun, Xiumin


    They don't portray them that way at all, and this is basically what their roles ended up looking like.

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  176. Idk, man, you're entitled to your own opinion.

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  177. It's insane how you and the countless who upvoted this don't even know his quote IN CONTEXT. He said that on Radio Star FOR Radio Star. He didn't want to sing it in that style for the show, not that he doesn't do it for the musical or didn't want to do it for the musical. If anything, he just sounded insecure and perhaps too jokey to say that on Radio Star. Do you think SM would actually allow him to not sing in the proper style for the ACTUAL musical?

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  178. hahahaha ma uopšte nisam imao nameru da to bude bezobrazno.. al sad vidim kakva si ti osoba tako da..i take back my comment :D

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  179. So many more fans would have been pissed if there were only Korean members involved with MID promotions in Korea.

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  180. Opet mi je nejasan tvoj odgovor,ja sam rekao da nisam siguran da li sam dobro shvatio poruku na sta si ti trebao samo da objasnis da ti nije bila namera da budes bezobrazan,tj da sam ja pogresno razumeo i to je to.Posto,slozices se,iz moje perspektive tesko je bilo protumaciti poruku.A ako si ti zakljucio na osnovu dve recenice razgovora sa nekim koga ne znas licno kakva je osoba,svaka tebi cast.

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  181. It was still on a show. it's not like they got on youtube and made it famous there. They still had guidance. Just like High4 so nobody should look down through their noses at High4.

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  182. And yet she's still on the song with High4. Still her decision.

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  183. If you can say you like it I can say its shit. Which it is. LOL.

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  184. Public popularity does not equate to quality. Have you hear the songs topping melon usually? Basic ass ballads.

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  185. Lmfao they should've hired the good day composer. And I can say what I want. I'll respect the composer when he releases a good song.

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  186. Does mean they're good. All of you are so stupid. Popularity doesn't equal being good.

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  187. I'm in the minority? Well yea all the koreaboo international fans like it but they eat up everything Koreans shit on them.

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  188. For it to be you know.. GOOD LOL.

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  189. If you think voice mail is the best song off of modern times to have problems.

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  190. Lol look at you koreaboo acting all superior. You're probably into kpop because of upbeat pop songs. Also I like ballads when they're done right. IU has a bunch of good ballads. This shit isn't one.

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  191. The shitty song ruined it.

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  192. Well it's not news that bieber is an stupid asshole,But I guess now more people will know about it.He just does not have a fucking brain.He is just plain IDIOT.I sometimes wonder how can someone be so brainless.He is certainly much hated around the world,and this will be the case in korea as well.

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  193. Then may I ask you. Do you know people from nugu groups who can sing well?

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  194. yeah I watched Skins early seasons too. I'm just not that into it when the casts changed.

    http://entradetes.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/nathanf1.jpg lol I love him and his ability to make weird faces

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  195. lmao ikr! tho misfist is not american, it's britain haha

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  196. sneak and rude , bye ^^

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  197. it's my fav too, it's my taste. why I have problems when I like that song. if you went to the Audio on YT, there are many people like me too.

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