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Friday, January 24, 2014

Mystic89 denies Puer Kim's new MV was making jabs at SM and YG


Article: Mystic89 reps clarify "Putting down SM and YG? It's just a concept"

Source:
Star News via Naver

"The music video is just a concept. There was no purposeful intention to put down SM and YG. The two companies are the top two agencies of the idol industry which is why their initials were used as examples in the music video. The meaning of the music video is that idol singers are artists as well and that they shouldn't be so looked down upon. The music video takes a look at an angle that shows the abuse idol groups go through..."

1. [+1,827, -36] Well, congratulations on rising in public recognition

2. [+1,640, -70] What about JYP... include JYP too

3. [+1,361, -50] Is this another gimmick to get headlines?

4. [+1,323, -46] Is her concept putting down other companies?

5. [+1,126, -40] Who is she?

6. [+219, -5] What a way to kill JYP twice

7. [+214, -7] But using YG and SM's names just feel like it was a put down no matter what they say

8. [+188, -9] Park Jin Young dislikes this article

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350 comments:

  1. i feel bad for jyp…i still think they can regain their position in the top 3…this mv seems like more of an insult to jyp than sm & yg.

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  2. http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/bullshit-gif

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  3. 1. [+1,827, -36] Well, congratulations on rising in public recognition

    yeah

    but the really have eagle eyes

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  4. It's true tho, acts from SM and YG are just as manufactured as each other, the difference is in the way they're marketed.

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  5. when i see a barcode.. i just think of things that are mass produced...

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  6. I love Mystic89's artists I really do but somehow they really try hard when they want to debut someone like Kim Yerim showing her panties, I saw it as sexy, because she was shaking her butt like many other girls rn, but ofc they did it to get headlines, same with this girl, her song is fantastic but yeah they need to go and use this technique

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  7. 2. [+1,640, -70] What about JYP... include JYP too
    6. [+219, -5] What a way to kill JYP twice

    JYP, do something please...

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  8. What exactly is JYP supposed to do? Lol do you seriously think JYP actually cares about this

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  9. That's basically the whole music industry including Mystic89 the idiots just insulted themselves too.

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  10. I'm shocked people noticed :o Maybe I'm just bad at noticing details @_@ But it's obviously pointed at them, since those are the only letters in the barcode LOL

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  11. Noise marketing. Good job. I checked out the video and song. It was okay.

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  12. Am I the only one who thought of Puyi when I read Puer?
    http://english.people.com.cn/mediafile/201211/30/F201211300910201912414495.jpg

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  13. Mystic89 are more focus in singers than idols.... so....

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  14. I roll my eyes so hard at YG stans who keep going on and on about how special and unique Big Bang and 2NE1 are then make jabs at manufactured SM idols. The whole idol world is freaking manufactured. YG just makes it seem like they aren't as manufactured when they totally are.

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  15. You need a direct link to the GIF~ Like this http://24.media.tumblr.com/6bf5c67b5b01cd97099e5f99598bf263/tumblr_mktpgb3JWS1ry10fwo1_500.gif

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  16. it was like 2 seconds, that's why u didn't see it

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  17. I LOVE the concept that they explained because idols don't get enough respect and recognition in general. But I also love the rumoured concept about it being a dig at mass produced idols and the major agencies. Either way I love this concept, so good for Mystic89. I hope they continue to do well.

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  18. 8. [+188, -9] Park Jin Young dislikes this article

    meanwhile JYP sit alone in his room and whispering to himself "jay-wae-pee"..

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  19. Don't fool yourself hun their "singers" are given concepts and are handed lyrics to sing just like every majority of singers in the music industry except jo jung chi so far

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  20. Well its true! Why deny it.

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  21. I think Cube is big three now. Look at all of Cube's huge artists. A Pink, Huh Gak, 4minute, HyunA/G.NA, B2ST, Trouble Maker.

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  22. No! Don't say the secret words :( Whenever someone says JYP like that the clear pants picture ends up popping up D:

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  23. Okay, I'm gonna browse this mystic89 and watch the video. If it's really a gimmick, it works on me.

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  24. I did put a direct link :(

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  25. 6. [+219, -5] What a way to kill JYP twice



    Oh, I laugh too much on this comment.

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  26. Ahh; really? @_@ For me it shows up as "http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/bullshit-gif"

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  27. They should have stick by it tbh. There's nothing wrong with calling out what everyone already knows. I don't understand what there's to get pissed off about. Besides, the songs good.

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  28. indeed, but they are not idols you see? they don't need playback ;) mystic has good artists, and I'm not saying YG doesn't or SM

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  29. The singer's name in Hangul sounds more like "Pure" than Puer. LOL

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  30. that horrible plastic pants is like a continous nightmare for me nowadays.. XD

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  31. Puer sounds awkward...it makes me think of wrongly spelled "pure"

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  32. I fucking loved her song. I'll be keeping an I on her.

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  33. Anyway, I like her and the song. It's pretty unique.

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  34. but it just take us to tumblr and not the image ;;

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  35. but ... but .... b2st's shadow quiet floop btw .. only 4minute and TM are success .. A pink not from cube but A Cube ..

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  36. Korea's best NetizenJanuary 24, 2014 at 12:16 AM

    . [+219, -5] What a way to kill JYP twice

    8. [+188, -9] Park Jin Young dislikes this article

    MEANWHILE JYP:

    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2u6xe2tkA1qfaj58.gif

    And

    http://cryinglastnight.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/url.gif

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  37. "And none for JYP, bye"
    It's kinda interesting tho

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  38. JYP is old friends with these 90s singer-songwriters so maybe Puer Kim or Mystic89 don't want to drag him into this dissing media play.

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  39. Mystic89 is the company, Puer Kim is the singer. Just thought I'd clarify :)

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  40. Isn't A Cube under the same branch as Cube?

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  41. Eye will as well. :)

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  42. Exactly. Unless Puer Kim made the song herself, chose her concept, and has completely and absolute control herself, she's just as much (if not more of an idol), than others. At least some SME and YGE idols get the opportunity to write, express, and put out their music.

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  43. your kidding right...?

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  44. yeah their a subsidary

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  45. A Cube is a subsidary of Cube ent.. and so does Cube DC which manages Rain

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  46. with what? I'm just saying that Mystic has good artists.... more kinda indie company, like or not, that's their style

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  47. I always thought of it as odd that YG is seen to mass produce idols when in their rosters they have only 2 idol groups in 8 years(?) and one other group to be debuted

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  48. A Cube is part of Cube though, isn't it? It's under the same umbrella

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  49. let's be real, only hyuna/troublemaker is really relevant in that list.
    wg even in their disbanded state still hold above pretty much everyone there

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  50. NEWS FLASH:

    Artist- One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.



    Mystic89 '"ARTISTS" doesn't do those things, their just as much idols as SM and YG they just chose an indie concept for their company like how YG chose a more hip-hop like concept for their company, and SM chose a sparkly fantasy concept lmao XD your point #INVALID

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  51. you are missing the concept of idol u see, and it's not a bad thing to be an idol, but if u wanna know GD doesn't consider himself as a idol rn... he started as one ofc,.

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  52. I don't think even western artists these days control everything. They cooperate with many experts just for one title song.

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  53. 6. [+219, -5] What a way to kill JYP twice



    Ouch.

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  54. But they're not insulting anyone?

    "The meaning of the music video is that idol singers are artists as well and that they shouldn't be so looked down upon." <<--- if anything they're defending them.

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  55. if u wanna teach me something, do it in the right way, artists means someone that creates art(if u want only one concept), so.... maybe idols can be called artists, FYI... just because I'm saying that Mystic has good artists I didn't mean that YG has bad ones... so calm down and breath, no one is attacking your beloved company.

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  56. Who summoned me?

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  57. jo jungchi and hareem. Mystic89 is trying too hard to portray the agency as a special indie snowflake. it's interesting and refreshing at first but now it's like a insult to other real indie music companies out there.

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  58. http://love-xtc.tumblr.com/image/12401913397

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  59. that happens in the whole world, even if u they compose their own songs, they need to go a producer and more.... it's hard to be in control of everything, u only find that in indie, but they don't want to appeal masses, like big music companies do

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  60. why mystic gotta hate on jyp like that?

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  61. FWIW, she did write the lyrics for it at least -shrug- which is more than SM at least does for title tracks most of the time.

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  62. exactly and so far jo jung chi is the only one creating anything tbh

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  63. I'm not missing any concept, because that's not my point. Just because Puer Kim wants to appeal to the Indie crowd does not mean she's not an idol. Everything was done for her. Concept, song, etc. Most indie artists do the majority of things by themselves.

    There is no reason to bring up GD. Puer Kim IS, at this point, an idol. No matter how she is projected, she was manufactured like the rest.

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  64. singing means art as well

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  65. NOOOO @Mimi TOO WHYYYYY BRB BLEACHING MY EYES @_@

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  66. They're our version of idols. Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Bruno Mars, etc.? They're America's version of idols.

    One Direction, Little Mix, and the Saturdays as well.

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  67. Um, 4minute had one of the biggest songs of last year. "What's Your Name" was the sixth biggest song of 2013 (and second biggest girl group song after SISTAR19).


    Huh Gak had 7th biggest song, Eunji had 24th with her Seo In Guk duet, and A Pink had 33rd.


    B2ST's album sold over 100,000 copies, and even though 2013 was a bad year for them compared to 2011 and 2012, they aren't flops by any means.


    A Pink also had fourth highest physical sales for a girl group after SNSD, f(x), and KARA (they were only a few hundred copies short of KARA).


    I'm not a Cube stan at all, I'm just an avid chart watcher. You are under estimating how well Cube is doing.

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  68. Can you show that to me with proof please?

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  69. SHINee's jonghyun wrote the lyrics for their title tracks Juliette and Dream girl, and he composed and wrote many songs for the group by himself, he also composed a song for Son Dam Bi and IU. Heechul also composed and wrote Shanghai Romance for OC. Etc.. Try again.

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  70. To add to your point most artist, even the one's who started out as small independent bands go through a process of being partly, if not fully manufactured the moment they hit onto the mainstream and sign away to a label, especially big ones.

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  71. The same way Apink is not a part of Cube but ACube is the same way 2am is not a part of JYPE but Big Hit Ent.....

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  72. I'm not sure you can really lump all of them as idols per say because some of them do have creative control of what they do, which does include writing their own lyrics for certain songs

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  73. Yap, that's actully written in the picture. I really don't know them. Thank you.

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  74. Thank you very much.

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  75. I probably do not like youJanuary 24, 2014 at 12:43 AM

    Im sorry but imma just say something to you hon and i dont care what you were discussing with this other person but your definition of artist isnt always true. A person can be just a singer and be called an artist.

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  76. That maybe true, but all those artist nova_remix listed are Major label artists, which ultimately means that the label still has the final say so on what to release.

    Writing and composing your own music is great, but don't think for a second those artists have any real power over their bosses.

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  77. The fundamental flaw with your argument is that you're assigning your own terms to what defines an "Artist" and speaking authoritatively as if that's the universally accepted definition. It's fine if you go around believing that you're right about everything (most people do), just don't expect to be taken seriously.

    Then again, I'm reading an argument in the cesspool of the internet, so I guess I'm picking on some low-hanging fruit here.

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  78. If they are with a major label then they can't have total control. That's why a lot of artists end up being indie artists because they only want to release music that means something to do them.

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  79. Then people shouldn't call certain people from SME and YGE as idols either. That's for sure.

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  80. Exactly this. Haneto has more to lose by saying it's not unusual than WM/B1A4 has to lose by admitting they did a buyback.

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  81. B1A4 is right after Infinite tbh

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  82. yeah i understand that, my point was that some of the artists on that list probably have more creative control of what they want to do than say idols, the bigger names i'd imagine would probably even have a little leverage to work with also when it comes to power/decision making because they're much bigger moneymakers globally than say a smaller country like korea

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  83. Flight B1A4 went on hiatus while the group wasn't performing because there was a lack of moderators and staff willing to do the work.
    Now the group is back FlightB1A4 has come back online with a new forum redesign, so they were working while they were on hiartus

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  84. don't care but i will say that the song is really good and her voice is so unique and i can't stop listening to the song

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  85. or "peur" in french.

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  86. But even in smaller agencies, total control is relinquished if not stricter. Crayon Pop couldn't own cell-phones. Tiny-G's Do Hee has a certain standard she must meet if she wants to date.

    In a smaller company, it would make sense to be even more restricted because if a controversy or worse a scandal gets out, the company may not have as many resources or as much influence to let the problem pass over unlike in larger companies.

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  87. so they want jyp excluded from the big 3 but when it comes to things like this they want jyp in too? lol

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  88. ^ Is clearly a YG stan or SM hater

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  89. Well if they have a large enough hand in the production of their songs/MV"s than yeah I don't really see why you couldn't call them an artist

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  90. I can believe it. I don't believe B1A4's reached top group status though. They're the leaders of the mid-tier though.

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  91. ^ http://www.allkpop.com/article/2014/01/wm-entertainment-and-hanteo-speak-on-accusations-of-b1a4s-album-sales-being-manipulated#axzz2rICleS00

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  92. What they're saying is that all recent releases have been in a pattern of purchase spikes and they see nothing that's "wrong" with B1A4's sales when compared to other artists, such as TVXQ.

    Maybe to the public it feels wrong but Haneto have put their whole reputation on the line to say the sales levels look legit to them. Haneto could lose their reputation as a chart if they were lying and they wouldn't do that for any one group or an agency as small as WM. They are sticking to their guns though and I think that should count for something.

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  93. Nope ELF, only your kind play those stupid games. It's just so childish and tiresome now. All my sympathies for your insecurities has washed away now. Ain't nobody got time for that.

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  94. Then that just make her point even more invalid, because idols are known as singers which makes them in her words "Artist' :)

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  95. shadow didnt flop it just didnt do extraordinarily well digitally but it sold over 100000 physical albums. pls

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  96. it depends on your definition for what is "top". since there are many grps in the industry, b1a4 being in the top 10, is already "top" enough for me.

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  97. But it's not an insult.


    Have you even heard the song? It's really not an insult. And just because she sings about it doesn't mean it cannot apply to her, or that she doesn't accept the self-deprecation.

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  98. Actually no this def is in the dictionary so...

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  99. she did say that she says what people hate to hear
    well, i liked the song and the little symbolism isn't really wrong haha its true

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  100. Well there are many thing I want to say.


    1. This IS clever marketing. She didn't have to hump the floor and wear short shorts to get it, so I'll give her management that. She had to use some bar codes on mannequins and she got an article for it.
    2. The song is amazing.
    3. The lyrics are amazing.
    4. She does indeed say what's not meant to be said.
    5. The video is cool and it is entirely connected to the context and the meaning of the lyrics.
    6. She always sings in the idol's perspective. Basically, IMO, the song is about what idols have to do, how they are perceived, and how much more they are, even if people think them little robotic dolls.


    She also tackles something I thought is amazing "you think I'm too much but you can't get enough of me", which references the constant onslaught of criticism towards idols, and how much attention they still get.

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  101. meaning, it a jabs that YG/SM are only an industry that produce mass idols with nothing...outstanding?


    I don't know, I was never good in interpretation lol

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  102. I can't speak for SME, but I can speak for YGE. Plenty of people in YGE who write their own songs, buy their own outfits for the MVs, use their own props, and are involved in the production of their songs/MVs but because it's more flashy than indie, they're not considered artists because they were put together/manufactured by a company.

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  103. Next thing you know, WM mergers with SM..

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  104. b2st has alr reached their peak during Fiction.
    their recent comebacks were underwhelming

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  105. Ok I understand your point better now. I will admit though that people tend to think certain artists are more superior because they write their stuff and that is suppose to somehow make them less of a puppet.

    To me there's different forms of being an artist. Some are better at creating, some are better at interpretation and bringing art to life...and some are just good at both.

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  106. I heard the song *sigh* If you read the OP that I commented too then you would see what I was talking about.

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  107. it's very possible, though i'm hoping that they won't
    they've been doing exceptionally well without the backings of big 3

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  108. yes it was used for attention and it went along with her song. and guess what? it worked!


    i freaking love this song, mash~

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  109. oh jeez. do your research first before posting these types of things that make you look stupid.

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  110. that is what i'm actually scared off. It feels weird from the beginning. I know SM wanted to merge with different companies, B1A4 and WMent is the biggest catch after Woolim tbh.


    I'm actually smelling something fishy...

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  111. And justlikethat it was over. Yesterday, I laughed so hard..today my tears wouldn't stop falling :( so sad. If the heartbreak is this bad now then the future should at least be a happy one.

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  112. You have to think of what they are placed on as well. There is a bigger picture. Barcodes are just one piece to it. Having the barcodes placed on mannequins tells the full story. It is not solely about mass producing.

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  113. Going according to how charts are made there's high tier, mid-tier, and low tier too. High tier consisting of the leaders of the Hallyu Wave, mid-tier being Hallyu wave stars, but not as popular as the leaders and low tier, who have some to low popularity and still need to get their name out in Korea.

    I understand for you, they're a "top" group, and top can't be fully measured, but personally, to me, B1A4 is an upper, mid-tier group.

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  114. Plus, I heard the fandom buys a certain amount to be #1 or in the top 3 every week, it helps with music shows and such. No sure if they do use it now but I heard that large fandoms do that.

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  115. you're just hurting your point, fancafes are irrelevant. did you notice that tvxq have the most fancafe members by FAR (around 4x as many as b1a4) and b1a4 are supposed to sell nearly as much as them?

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  116. Not for their 2012 comeback. I'm pretty sure "Beautiful Night" only added to their popularity and solidified them as a top group. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it did pretty well.

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  117. I thought she was acting as an idol but i'm not good at interpretation either.

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  118. Dude you are just desperate. Idols get controlled to a certain extent.


    Hell, I'm exaggerating because I make it sound like they are actual mindless, robotic dolls. They know what they got in too. It's their job to obey, it's in the contract. That doesn't mean they do not have a say. It was exactly their say that got them into a contract. And doing what the company tells them to do doesn't mean it's wrong. It means they are hard-workers that know how to do their job.


    Some of you guys make it sound like doing your job right and doing what you are told to do is wrong. It's not. Like, you are seeking validation of an idol's hard work through every single little thing that they did because they wanted to, not because they had to. As if doing your job right and obeying was wrong. Like the concept of freedom by Kelsen but backwards.


    That's what the song addresses, that even though they are under a contract there is much more to them.

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  119. What does the OP comment have to do with you saying "then they are insulting themselves too".


    The OP doesn't have anything to do with the actual meaning of the song.

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  120. Expect The UnexpectedJanuary 24, 2014 at 1:11 AM

    TVXQ fancafe is still above them so

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  121. like I said my repl wasn't to the MV I have common sense I know what she was singing about my reply was to the OP made by the person I replied to, when you finish reading that then get back too me, save your heart attack for another day.

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  122. Agree, when i read the paragraph, i had to check twice that it said TVXQ, cmon now, SM artist is known for Physical sales.

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  123. pretty subjective then, personally i think that's considered an artist they at least created the majority of their work if they did all that. You bringing up that yg thing reminded me of knetz always calling BEG artists (I'm not too sure, how involved they were with their work) but they seem to be doing the same kinds of things as other idol groups just gritter/adult oriented

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  124. I dont knw about another fandom but for TVXQ...mostly fans esp Ifans Bulk Buying before release via Pre Ordering n the result will show up on the release day n 1st week selling. And fansite from Korea, Jpg, China n another country Bulk Buying after 2 or 3 weeks to maintence selling.

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  125. for some reason every time YG bounces/ nods his head like that i feel creeped out …….. O.o

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  126. this is getting boring tbh

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  127. She/he was talking about how manufactured YG and SM are but just in different ways, but from her POV of things doesn't that make the whole music industry manufactured if you also read the go between between us you'll see what I mean, she's trying to say Mystic89 are "ARTISTS" and SM and YG are just manufactured companies.

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  128. lol excuses. You fucked up

    that's why I said that just because they sing it doesn't mean it can't be self-deprecatory.

    " save your heart attack for another day." oh god I'm too old for this shit.

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  129. Not really, B2ST has a nice fanbase and pretty good public recognition for an idol group and A Pink is definitely a rapid rise since they're fresher

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  130. he still #1 producer in korea but idk why everyone blaming him he is not the CEO anymore sigh

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  131. yes, there are people who still believe that no matter what evidence you put in front of them. but there are also others who were suspicious at first but then realised that the rumours were just fabricated after reading the explanation

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  132. lol no excuses hun a.k.a your to lazy to read find someone else to play cat and mouse with because your not even commenting on what were talking about goodbye :)

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  133. I get that and I agree with you O.o I was merely referring to the OP and your first comment too. Then I read the whole thing.

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  134. oh damn, yg and lee soo man going to download the control beat tonight!

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  135. Also the person "deleted their comments so it shows as guest now because they looked dumb with what they were saying so now read the go betweens, between me and "Guest"

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  136. i'll let you keep that explanation for your convenience.


    have a nice day :)

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  137. well for me, it's at least a higher, low-tier. i mean they are talented enough to make their own songs.

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  138. IMO the ones who have insecurities are the ones who are talking about SM 24/24h . They are like obsessed with SM at this point ...

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  139. ahh okay the person deleted their comment so now their going as guest such a coward way out

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  140. Um...What you said on the first paragraph may be true, but the rest are quite not-so-important things.


    Like ranking 24th or 33rd is nothing special.


    Beast debuted for more than 3 years already and won several awards, so getting 100k is nothing interesting too, beside they are just ranked as 13rd most selling boy groups on Gaon


    and even 4th highest girl group selling sound good, it was still only 45k album sales and you were comparing to Kara...you should already know Kara is getting irrelevant in Korea already.

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  141. Honestly this is all silly. As a long time Cassie, BANAs - if you want us to back off, just give us the receipt for all the unaccounted CDs and we'll be off your back. Just like how FNC shook off all the hate from SONEs. Simple as that. Don't give us all that crap about six versions affecting album sales. There's a simple way to solve this. Why are you dragging the boys' name through mud when apparently no saejagi took place? If you guys can find out where they live and private information such as their cell numbers or their family information - I'm sure finding out there the other CDs went is a piece of cake especially since it could save your oppas career.

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  142. yeah, like 5,000 whining articles ago, I was totally with the SM stans. Wow, life sucks. YG stans so mean to think their company is better. Blah blah blah. But there comes a time where you just get exhausted. Here is a tissue for your issue, build a bridge and get over it.

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  143. I was so expecting this pic to come out again even though it traumatizes me to a degree. To be honest though, I was going to post if no one else did.

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  144. Why are people downvoting this ? It's the truth

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  145. i think having mannequins rather than different people... makes it even more obvious that they're trying to poke fun at the cookie cutterness of the industry... i don't really buy their explanation... it just seems like an attempt at saying.. 'hey... we stand out'..

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  146. Maybe they can give him one alien girl, since 2 months from now Minjoon's friends are supposed to come.

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  147. Actually getting 24 and 33rd is actually good when you consider just how many songs are released in Korea every year.

    I didn't say 4minute is the second biggest girl group. I said they had the second biggest SONG from a girl group after SISTAR19. "What's Your Name" did better than I Got a Boy, Give It To Me, Rum Pum Pum, Expectation etc etc.

    And of course I know KARA is crumbling but they have a strong fanbase and have good physical sales by girl group standards that aren't from SM or YG. You have to look at everything in context. A Pink outsells T-ara, SISTAR, Lee Hyori, and many others physically.

    http://kpopsales.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/gaon-2013-physical-sales-ranking.html



    Like I said I'm not a Cube stan I'm just giving the numbers and official rankings. Funny how i'm getting downvotes even though I'm just giving facts. Are people anti-Cube and pro-JYP or something?? Lol.

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  148. there is no right way to interpret something... that's just my personal interpretation... :)

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  149. The truth hurts them too much.

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  150. Think about it. They can't clear the suspicions if it's true. they are probably trying to delay things until the k-nets move on.

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  151. same, it's hard to look away as well.

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  152. I understand the meaning behind the video and song. I loved it.

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  153. That's also the same agency as Park Ji Yoon and Lim Kim

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  154. Completely butthurt it's not even as if you were bashing YG's idols or something . You were just telling the truth , they are manufactured just like everybody else.

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  155. gawt that epilogue... and his happy dream.. that poor unlucky alien...he reminds me of kim bung do because they have a similar dilemma.. i think I didnt feel like crying for a couple this much since queen inhyuns man! his face when hes revealing himself scared the hell out of me but well, hes putting all his hope n song yis answer! I hope the givethem their happy.ending because ifthey dont, ill curse them forever and everrrr lol

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  156. it's funny seeing this come from SM stan lol .because they're always doing this too

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  157. Is this your religious mantra? Do you repeat it obsessively every day? Exactly who are you trying to enlighten by repeating the same butthurt comment over and over and over?

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  158. You should calm down .

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  159. [+1,913, -12] 143 hours until the next episode.........
    oh i feel you ..

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  160. I got the same thing. It kinda reminds me of Jazmine Sullivan song "I'm not a robot" the same message if saying I'm not controlled by the industry.

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  161. They compare TVXQ to B1A4?! What the hell?

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  162. The obsessed nutjobs who go into every single topic just to repeat their same old tired comments practically word-for-word are the ones who need to calm down. Not only is it crazy, but it is just plain boring. Calm the hell down and broaden you topics of interests.

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  163. FAV DRAMA EVEEERR!!!
    i never felt like having an after-effect after watching drama except this drama!!!
    ep 11 epilogue: kissing scne, ep 12 epilogue: crying scene!!

    this week really jjang!!! <3

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  164. well if it's any consolation this has nothing to do with the agencies.

    "SM" and "YG" could be interchanged with any names. what she's doing is taking shots at IDOLS for being soulless mass produced shells of artists.

    SM and YG are there because they are the biggest agencies, but their job is to make money and even if they produce mannequins they're still doing their job.

    what she's SAYING is that all your favorite idols are failures and she's the exception. a company making money shoving mannequins down your throat is doing its job well, but the "artists" who are like that are the failures.

    she doesn't even have any reason to take shots at any agencies. her competition are other idols. she's basically saying the Kpop you listen to sucks and it's because idols have no talent and no independent artistry

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  165. Is it "the truth" that you repeat to yourself in the mirror every day? Do you touch yourself while you do it?

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  166. this is off topic but to me b2st is a kind of group that even though you're not a fan you'll still love their songs because they're just perfect /soft spot ;a;

    it's only my opinion though.

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  167. despite of the controversy, i like the song and mv. I like her voice too

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  168. I still hear her cries of "DO MANAGER!!~"
    LOL

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  169. 1. [+1,827, -36] Well, congratulations on rising in public recognition


    and making antis, maybe..

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  170. Yes, they had the receipts up already in some of the pann posts lol

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  171. Most probably because he can't kill the one he loves. Besides his wife, there is also Hwi Kyung who now has start become suspicious of him. If he is any other guy, he will probably dead by now.

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  172. i love them..
    but their company..... sigh

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  173. I told myself
    "Keep calm, keep calm"
    143 hours will come fast.

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  174. OT

    But this incident helped me realized that for the past year I've been mistaking Sandeul for Jinyoung and vice versa. Haha. I feel bad - I've been giving Sandeul all the credit for composing the B1A4's lovely songs. If this is all for publicity - I guess mission success?

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  175. The dangerous article whenever there is JYP name in it. u know, 'something' will appear. And im so regret, why did i scroll down more and more..

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  176. But isn't our prime topic whether Cube is included in the big three or not? I'm just saying with these kind of numbers or facts as you said, it will be impossible to join the big three. Even though JYP is getting weaker, their annual revenue or concerts is still a lot higher than Cube.

    You think, Cube is gonna be the next big three, but then you need to let 4minute to compete against Girls' Generation instead of tara or kara whatsoever. as you said, you needs to look everything in context. Beast sales should be as strong as Bigbang or Exo then, if you want them at big three level

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  177. You are right actually, my frien whose a fan of VIXX said that B1A4's level is the same as INFINITE's to be honest. She herself was shocked at how popular they were in Korea.

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  178. Poor B1A4.. they are a hardworking and humble group.. but had to be screwed over by their company. Their company had too much greed. My poor boys T_T

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  179. And so what if the groups I support are from SM? At least I know they're manufactured and don't pass them off as anything else. Even the idols know exactly how manufactured they are.

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  180. I guess they let it be because they already got the attentionthey wanted. id do the same too lol

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  181. okaaay i smell some free publicity lol whatever works for them.. it worked after all because some sm/yg fans evenwhentheyre pressed about it, i bet thy watchd the mv..

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  182. Well I thought the discussion was who is in the big three out of JYP and Cube. If it is, and if Cube can't be big three like you say, then there is only a big TWO because JYP sure as hell isn't the third.


    JYP only has 2PM's physical sales and that's it really. Grown sold 116k, which is only 16k more than B2ST, but B2ST did better digitally -- 2PM flopped bad digitally.


    Also, 4minute and A Pink is doing better than miss A, and HyunA is doing better than Sunmi.


    BtoB may have flopped but 15& and Baek ah Young all flopped from JYP lol.


    FYI I love JYP and think 2PM are amazing (ADTOY was one of my fave songs of last year) but I'm just going off of the sales figures.

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  183. ╰☆╮♥╰☆╮January 24, 2014 at 2:25 AM

    You are gross

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  184. one of the best drama ive ever watched! amazing script, amazing actors!

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  185. It's still HIS company. It's still HIS name on the line, because he used his own name to build it. Why shouldn't he be held responsible for the mistakes his company makes?

    Do people really think that JYP--an self-proclaimed control freak--would hand over ALL the reigns to his company and leave no power for himself? LOL.

    The way JYPE is being run reeks of micromanagement, which is precisely how JYP likes to do everything. The man plans each day to the minute, but fails to see the big picture.

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  186. ╰☆╮♥╰☆╮January 24, 2014 at 2:27 AM

    Downvotes aren't importants

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  187. Omgahhh.....surprises me what big fandoms do everytime XD

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  188. you should look again she write 200,00

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  189. Companies who talk too much always wind up digging themselves a hole that they can't get out of, so I think they're worse. :x

    Whereas, if you stay silent, there's always a chance that people will forget about it and everything will just blow over. Kinda like how Woollim decided to shut their mouths and NOT help Tablo out during his time of need, and everyone forgot about that and is under the impression that Woollim is run by a nice man because he gave Infinite a nice dorm. Or whatever.

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  190. LMAO


    I wonder what sort of snarky comments accompanied the proof shots. :3

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