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Monday, January 20, 2014

Music show PDs explain how they will deal with sexy concepts


Article: What are the 'limits of girl group sexy concepts'? We ask the PDs themselves

Source: Ilgan Sports via Naver

As concepts get sexier and sexier, music show PDs were asked how they are planning to deal with the issue.

'Inkigayo' PD "We don't have tight rules but there are standard lines drawn that we ask people to abide by. We are planning to look at choreography videos and ask for certain moves to be edited or watch their rehearsals and ask for outfits to be fixed. We've already asked girl group companies to keep concepts limited to a point where we won't get in trouble with the review board. We look at whether the concept, choreography, and outfits harmonize and try to help bring that to the forefront but any overly sexually suggestive concepts are denied. When there are sexy moves, we will  try to avoid doing camera close ups on certain body parts or turn it into a full shot."

'Music Bank' PD "During the rehearsals, the CP and PD will check their outfits and choreographies. If there's too much skin exposed, we will order them to change their outfits. If their point choreography is sexually suggestive, we won't do any close ups and pan the camera out as far as possible.

KBS review board "Music Bank is a live broadcast so the system is set up for the CP to make the appropriate judgments. The review board will monitor the program for about a month and hand out the appropriate warnings to the girl group companies in question."

Girl group agency, "With the influx of idols, the competition is heating up. Naturally, more competition means that people are also competing to show more skin. We can't ignore the criticism that it's receiving but their opinions are definitely not our priority."

Another agency rep, "There are times when criticisms against sexy concepts are certainly hot but our method is to avoid using a sexy concept at those times then. We're especially careful lately when criticisms are at its height over the excessive sexy concepts. It will quiet down soon enough. There are also times when the PDs will check thoroughly down to every detail but we can be careful and avoid those times. Broadcast companies are naturally thirsty for viewer ratings so they will let things slide as long as it's not too over the board."

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1. [+1,100, -17] It's really harder to find a female singer who doesn't have a sexy concept nowadays...

2. [+1,048, -14] I don't expect them to give up sexy concepts when it's directly connected to their income... They get hated on and called prostitutes but I don't think they even care when hundreds of thousands of dollars are being made off that concept.

3. [+856, -18] We'll soon get concepts where only the private areas are covered

4. [+773, -29] I really don't know where to keep my eyes lately

5. [+627, -106] How about just get rid of the music programs

6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

7. [+186, -12] Groups that are meant to be popular will be popular without gimmicks like this... Soshi, 2NE1, f(x), A Pink..

8. [+184, -15] Back in th eday, SES and Fin.KL used to wear suits ㅋㅋ They wore at least four times more clothes than current girl groups but they were still way~ more beautiful

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216 comments:

  1. 6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got
    popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine
    without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

    7. [+186, -12] Groups that are meant to be popular will be popular without gimmicks like this... Soshi, 2NE1, f(x), A Pink..

    8.
    [+184, -15] Back in th eday, SES and Fin.KL used to wear suits ㅋㅋ They
    wore at least four times more clothes than current girl groups but they
    were still way~ more beautiful

    THIS !!!!!

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  2. "Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain. "

    Unfortunately SISTAR and Girl's Day would disagree lol.
    The thing is, it's not even just the 'sexy concept', whoever becomes famous or successful will do so, not every group will.

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  3. . [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts



    this. so sick of girl groups showing off their skin,it's like who get the most exposing skin contest.

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  4. 1. [+1,100, -17] It's really harder to find a female singer who doesn't have a sexy concept nowadays...

    IU! Lim Kim! Lee Hi!
    I'm sure there's a lot more, but people choose to focus on scandalous concepts so..

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  5. "Music Bank' PD "During the rehearsals, the CP and PD will check their
    outfits and choreographies. If there's too much skin exposed, we will
    order them to change their outfits. If their point choreography is
    sexually suggestive, we won't do any close ups and pan the camera out as
    far as possible."

    Ermmmm I just got around to watching recent Music Bank last night. 10 secs into Girls Day performance and I had to fast forward 'cos my dad was there. I don't think they did what they say they would do.

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  6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

    The classy group will always be snsd, wonder girls, 2ne1

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  7. Of course it's only regarding girl groups.. no one questions all the questionable "sexy" moves many boy groups have in their choreos

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  8. Stop being selfish, your dad wants to see Girl's Day's performance too.

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  9. "With the influx of idols, the competition is heating up. Naturally, more competition means that people are also competing to show more skin."



    ......

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  10. for me Girls day concept was classy and sexy not just pure sex

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  11. i don't care about showing skin but sometimes, some dance moves are really weird and useless

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  12. why're girl groups the only ones mentioned? as a fan of 2pm i can say i'm a little surprised at how much the camera men show at times; air humping, shirt rips, and so on.

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  13. They really can't blame companies for doing pushing sexy concepts. It's what brings in the money.

    I think the problem lies in the people patronizing such provocative choreos.

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  14. I remember how snsd got so many bad comment about their genie outfit but compared it now that's nothing

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  15. So this is an issue now because too many girls are being "sexy"? Where was the concern when Rain was thrusting his hip around stage half-naked?

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  16. The oppars can grind, pelvic thrust, crotch grab and show as much skin as they want, they mean no wrong gaiz *sarcasm*

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  17. Keywords:

    - close-ups
    - competition
    - priority
    - thirsty

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  18. #7....hm. i can't say i agree with that. there are tons of talents out there that get overlooked. so companies do what they think can get them the most press and buzz. talent is basically secondary these days (well, sort of always was, lbr). a group that is in articles about how risky their MV was is going to get more views than a group with a tame concept.


    but really i always support sexy concepts. as long as the people doing them are comfortable with it. that's the real problem here i think that netizens ignore. you trash the idols for being "prostitutes" but don't think one moment about how they might feel doing what they do. not to say all of them hate it, but still. soooo much exploitation.

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  19. it's getting boring actually

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  20. The wide camera angles will help. The close up shots are the most awkward tbh

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  21. lim kim's pant in all right mv considered as sexy concept...also iu's sick photo destory all her pure image

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  22. whilst i'm all for the 'if you've got it flaunt it' kind of thing, i have to admit that lately i feel like i've seen nothing but sexy concepts. AOA, Dal Shabet and Girl's Day all recently came back with sexy concepts and it's to the point now where concepts almost seem copied rather than original. i hope a group will soon have a comeback with a refreshing, simple concept, like SNSD's 'Gee', or that one time when Sistar19 did 'Gone Not Around Any Longer' with the simple white shirts and pants. even if clothes are simple, the idols can still look sexy. after all, 'sexy' is more of a feeling than a look.

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  23. 6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got
    popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine
    without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

    THIS! considering that SNSD and 2ne1 are already established they won't have to resort to sexy concept.. BEG is known for their fierce but sexy.. i'm still ok with BEG.. i'm just being biased.. i hope Sistar would tone it down for their comeback.. and A pink should stick with innocent concept and it fits them well..

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  24. Success found through following the trend is fleeting; success found through making your own makes you a legacy.

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  25. I don't think a sexy concept is all so bad. I liked Sistars sexy concept with Alone, that was done really nicely. And I actually like Girl's Day concept with Something...only the part in the beginning is kinda awkward. But everything else is pretty okay. Plus their clothing were really nice. As much as I enjoy Trouble Maker, they go a bit beyond sexy in my opinion. I just think these people need to relax, all of sudden if a girl group has even a small dance move that could be sexy or some skin it's considered TOO SEXY.

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  26. "If their point choreography is sexually suggestive, we won't do any close ups and pan the camera out as far as possible."



    Is this only for girl groups? Because this would explain a lot in general.

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  27. So the sexy concept is a gimmick but the cute concept isn't? Basically women are expected to not be sexual, to be "virginal" and "innocent" otherwise they're sluts and prostitutes. But men can be anything and everything and it's okay.

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  28. oh ahha yeaaa didn't cross my mind. oh well, he can YouTube it later, i just didn't wanna watch it with him

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  29. Okay... idk if you would call it "getting popular" since they were already popular, but one of Wonder Girl's most famous songs is "So Hot"

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  30. If people hate sexy concepts..then support the artists when they're not doing them. This a business and these companies wouldn't do sexy concepts if they didn't sell or bring interest to their groups.

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  31. her "innocent image" may have been destroyed, but she still didn't come back with a sexy concept.

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  32. i just keep thinking about double standards, but when i think about it the guys clothing hasn't been too reveling lately (at least not the ones i follow). But the crouch touching i wish would be toned down or taken out all together.

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  33. Absolutely agree sexy concept just temporary..
    I think FNC know this.in cheondamdong Mr.Han said he want AOA get public recognition with sexy concept.After that AOA will return to their initial concept.
    The company need profit to achieve their breakeven which they already invested in AOA.

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  34. well, i think it's a bigger issue now because ((and aside from the obvious gender thing that korea and many other countries have)) there are SO many girl groups coming back with the sexy concept and they're all trying to beat each other, so outfits are getting more and more... well, revealing i suppose. society views a female's chest as something sexual whereas a man's chest is just that, a chest. so i guess, whether we like it or not, a lot of sexy concepts done by girl groups will be an issue due to the way society views things.

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  35. I agree with this so much...
    I'm not sure what makes me cringe more, the fact that girls who do sexy concepts are considered strippers and whores, or that people would rather grown women act like 12 year old virgins than their own age...
    It's just degrading either way and they can't win. Of course there's other concepts but still.

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  36. Starship does SISTAR;s concepts right, they're not over the top and never about how much skin to expose or sexually suggestive dances. Yes they are sexy, but always in a different form & way to show it off.

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  37. 8. [+184, -15] Back in th eday, SES and Fin.KL used to wear suits ㅋㅋ They wore at least four times more clothes than current girl groups but they were still way~ more beautiful



    I miss S.E.S so much, I wish girl group would cover up a little bit. I was watching Music Bank and the dances are way too sexual, my little brother thought it was weird lol

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  38. I can see your point, but I don't think there are hoards of make singers trying to out-sexify each other for attention. I think that's the point.

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  39. 6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts.



    Wonder Girls definitely have. I stanned them since their debut and there was a lot of outcry amongst netizens and viewers for their revealing outfits. Just because they're considered 'legends' now, people tend to forget about those past issues. A couple of years back Music Bank regulated a rule that girl group outfits should not reveal their stomachs but they gave SNSD a pass. Just like the agency said, the broadcasts would do anything for viewership.

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  40. I have said this before..a non threatening woman is what society is bred to think is acceptable. Anything that goes against acting innocent,naive, and virginal is scary to people.

    A woman in power is scary to people.

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  41. It's the double standards that's all over the world. It's not like this is something that just started. It has been going on for ages...

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  42. Yah I miss cute Girl's Day, but I also like sexy Girl's Day and I finally think they found a great medium with Something, it wasn't as crazy as Female President or Expectation with their butt shakes. I actually like their concept this time around.

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  43. Women aren't allow to be versatile or possess different traits.

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kp6y6yUUzF1qzchhpo1_500.gif

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  44. It really annoys me how it is ok for boybands to go up on stage shirtless, to hip thrust and grab their crotchs, but God forbid girl groups for doing things that aren't even close to it. smh

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  45. I like sexy and mature concepts, but not if it's just about showing more skin & if the members are obviously uncomfortable with it. If it's done right and they look confident then it's great.

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  46. http://i.minus.com/ibxwGhw1ZAQ1T4.gif

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  47. All those girls groups listed have showed their skin. They never went on stage completely covered. So try again.

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  48. Girl group agency, "With the influx of idols, the competition is heating up. Naturally, more competition means that people are also competing to show more skin. We can't ignore the criticism that it's receiving but their opinions are definitely not our priority."



    I don't know why but this comment just really made me really disappointed in the agencies :/... instead of adding to the competition by showing more and more skin change the concept to something else that will grab attention. For some reason I cannot really explain/express my full thoughts on this. What are other people's thoughts on this statement?

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  49. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3yjay5DV51rvgqkjo1_400.gif

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  50. they dont look desperate.

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  51. Idk if you were here a few years ago but tons of male groups came back with beastly/sexy concepts wherein they ripped their shirts off and did all kinds of suggestive things. It's only being addressed now because viewers and netizens are making a big deal about women appearing sexualized.

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  52. agreed, but i just want to point out that there was a girl group recently (can't remember who, maybe girl's day or a pink?) who came back with a cute concept and netizens were berating them for it being 'too cute', so i feel like what you said was extremely valid, but i think netizens just want everything in moderation lmao

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  53. Sexy concept isn't bad, seriously it isn't. It's just kinda weird to have a LOT of sexy concepts lately. I need something new or refreshing for a change but I still appreciate the sexy concept

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  54. 8. [+184, -15] Back in th eday, SES and Fin.KL used to wear suits ㅋㅋ
    They wore at least four times more clothes than current girl groups but
    they were still way~ more beautiful


    I miss SES' black suits and Fin.KL's baggy pants.

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  55. I think you're talking about Secret

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  56. Well, it is what is making these girl groups sell.

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  57. I think my issue with it now is that they all look the same. There's no variation with the sexiness because they all look like they took a page from SISTAR's book & decided to try an Alone type of concept.

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  58. If a group comes back with a normal concept,mike no sexy or cute but mature, I do believe that they might have a chance because the idol industry is saturated with sexy concept so much that anything that stands out can catch the people's eye. That's what I personally believe.

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  59. I don't see how a sexy concept is more explotive than a cute concept. It's seems that it's acceptable if a grown woman dresses like she's 10 and acts like a weak, dumb bimbo.

    I understand that idol world carters to the younger generation, but I don't see how teaching people that it's ok be a lovesick submissive bimbo dressed as a child is any better.

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  60. Tbh that was more of a cute concept to me lol. The most sexual thing about it was yoobin's rap when she said her legs are as sexy as ha jiwon.

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  61. oh yeah!!! aha, i totally couldn't remember which group it was for a moment, thanks! ^^

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  62. honestly that's the only scene that is so awkward. Rather then sexy, but everything else was pretty okay and their best yet.

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  63. But for B.E.G., they didn't get popular for a sexy concept. They got popular starting from their win with "L.O.V.E."

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  64. T.O.P. is classy sexy. girl's day is just sexy.

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  65. Want to know new WG, so they can bring new fresh concept,
    like WG brings fun back in 2007

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  66. Nah, but they are wearing short skirts and touching each other's legs, like I loved that song and that MV but it was also definitely them attempting a sort of "sexy concept". That was probably pretty sexy considering there wasn't this sort of competition going on today.

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  67. "Naturally, more competition means that people are also competing to show more skin."



    XD HA. Omg I literally loled for about 5 min. What kind of BS. Nobody asked for them to show skin! And the fact that they acknowledge the knetz hate of overly provocative concepts riddles me even more! I, and im sure a whole bunch of people, would be perfectly fine if they were sexy but didn't have awkward open leg dances and overly provocative outfits.

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  68. totally agreed. i'm surprised that no girl group IS coming back with a concept other than sexy, because that would definitely create more positive attention... which i think groups like AOA and Girl's Day could do with. i mean, if AOA had came back with their band concept now, they would be a hit!

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  69. I kind of miss SNSD's genie concept the marine concept or whatever that was... I liked the outfits lol.

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  70. It looks like it might be okay in the MV but I that's probably really awkward when they are performing.

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  71. I agree completely.

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  72. I still prefer something sexy over cuteness overload that makes my fingers curl and makes me want to puke. If the girl group are all teenagers that's one thing to be cute, but when the girl group gets into their mid to late 20s I think it's time to build a bridge and get away from the cutie image.
    I think that the groups that have underage members need to tone down suggestive material(images, costumes, choreography, lyrics). It gets into the exploiting a minor when underage members are being forced into sexy concepts.

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  73. Yes definitely. But it's sad that girls mostly just get sexy or cute concepts and overuse it. It would be so exciting if they got more concepts.

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  74. Idk I didn't find it sexy. Then again the sexy image of it was ruined for me right when I saw "the wonder boys" performing it lol

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  75. Agree the alone legs dance is pretty innocent if you look at it now

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  76. Well in their defense, SECRET's latest comeback was extremely cringeworthy. If you haven't seen it, go watch their I Do I Do MV... you'll understand why.

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  77. True but I don't always find some of the sexy concepts today that sexy either.

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  78. Sexy concept only works for miss A and sistar for me. the others are just...... too revealing and makes them like sluts. wonder how their prents feel to see their daughters performing like that.

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  79. It's not like female idols are baring their breasts for the world to see? And like I said before, guy groups beat the girls to sexy concepts years ago and it wasn't a big deal. This double standard isn't new nor exclusive to Korea/Asia, but It's still worth calling out.

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  80. no one said anything about when it started

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  81. 2. [+1,048, -14] I don't expect them to give up sexy concepts when it's
    directly connected to their income... They get hated on and called
    prostitutes but I don't think they even care when hundreds of thousands
    of dollars are being made off that concept.


    This is true. Sex sells. It works.That's why they all do it. You can't blame companies for following a winning formula.

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  82. imo i think concepts are overrated why they can just sing the song and dance to it or maybe a mv with an actual storyline.

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  83. Didn't find it classy at all..sorry but the dance was awfully cheap Imo...something is my jam tho

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  84. agree. can someone please introduce a new type of sexiness, one that doesn't seem TOO overused.

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  85. Yes to more concepts!

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  86. SISTAR's moves are tasteful

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  87. Hasn't anyone noticed that girl groups who haven't really done hard core sexy concepts are also the ones with the biggest fanbases.
    Groups like SNSD, 2NE1, APink, f(x) and wondergirls have one of the biggest fanbases in kpop. For a group to have a lasting impact, they must also have a big fanbase. Girls are the core of many of these fanbases and most girls don't like sexy concepts as much.
    Sexy concepts may generate public attention momentarily but it doesn't really help with album or concert sales.
    There has never been a girl group that has been hugely popular in Korea with a sexy concept and I doubt there ever will be anytime soon.

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  88. their sexy concept dont look 'cheap' like nowadays. do a research and make a comparison.....if you want to be more specific.if you need it.

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  89. It was SEXY and FIERCE but not in a cheap way.

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  90. Let's be honest, their "sexy" concepts weren't as outlandish as GsD, Rainbow, etc.

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  91. I prefer sexy over cute anytime. It's so annoying to see girls my age (in their 20s I mean) acting cutesy and all on stage. Sexy without trying is all I want, Nine Muses for example. Girl groups these days try too hard, uncomfortable to watch, that's my only complain.

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  92. They mean that they did not achieve popularity by solely showing skin, but consistent good music, the "sexy" was secondary. Now showing skin is the path to success.

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  93. Girl Group Agency "With the influx of idols, the competition is heating up. Naturally,
    more competition means that people are also competing to show more skin.
    We can't ignore the criticism that it's receiving but their opinions
    are definitely not our priority."

    WOW just WOW

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  94. I'm not talking sexy. I was just saying they show skin. Simple as that.

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  95. Rain is not an idol. He's just a male solo singer in korea. Actually there was a time in kpop where almost all popular female singers did sexy concepts. Chaeyeon, Hyori, Ivy, Yuni and etc. Their songs and outfits were a lot more sexier and revealing but they didn't get criticism for that. Netizens don't like girl groups doing sexy because they're idols teens look up to and they just hate idols in general.

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  96. Not talking sexy. Just stating they do show skin.

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  97. netizens actually like A Pink's cute concept since they're true to their roots. Netizens react if :


    1. the concept doesn't fit you or you look like a try hard
    2. you cross the border of that concept e.g. too cute = cringworthy cuteness or too sexy = awkward slutshaming
    3. they liked your old concepts more.

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  98. Okay, but the main point was about sexy concepts. These days, sexy concepts seem to be more and more synonymous to showing skin. The OP should've elaborated more, but that's basically what he/she meant.

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  99. I find it odd that we find the need to censor everything nowadays. Their targeted audience isn't underage children but adults who on other days go watch burlesque musicals or movies with adult content. Most people listen to music or watch movies to escape the confines of acceptable/proper social behavior; suffocating rules & regulation placed on our every day life.

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  100. I guess GARY won't be able to perform on stage with the "ladies" that were in his "Shower Later" mv - LOL

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  101. I just wanted to show how ignorant that commenter could be, cause automatically showing skin doesn't mean sexy.

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  102. Being cute is something a whole family can sit and watch together. Having girl groups hump the floors and spread their legs open isn't really appropriate for public broadcast... well in Korea at least.

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  103. I think it's a little harsh to call that user ignorant. I'm sure he/she is not ignorant, but rather that they made a simple mistake by their wording. That's all.

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  104. they both are gimmicks

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  105. these music shows are not for adults...

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  106. What about first generation girl groups? I never really followed them, but I remember some photos of short sexy outfits.

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  107. Sistar did it right with "Alone". It was classy and tame compared to what some girl groups try to pull off now.


    Also, Sistar exuded confidence and were comfortable with it. It was the type of sexy and mature concept that did not only rely on the outfits, song, and dance moves but also on the members' embodiment of it and the girls owned it.

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  108. But Rain's demographic even reached out to teenagers. Plenty of people liked him back in the day. Not just adults. So the OP has a point.

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  109. True, but I've seen it a lot. So I'll take back that ignorant comment.

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  110. Them comments about groups meant to be popular will be popular even without sexy concepts. YES SOSHI 2NE1 F(X) A PINK ♡♡♡

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  111. For me , sexy concept is not the problem.
    The problem is the way they do the sexy concept is cheap..
    A lot of girls group teaser nowadays only show thighs, bra with some see through cloth, etc.

    If they pulled out Sexy concept like SISTAR do, I think people won't make a fuss about this.
    SISTAR do this more elegantly not just showing skinship or provocating coreography

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  112. Rain was called out for it.... that why eh had to wear that bra.

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  113. I dont think theyre asking these girls groups to switch to the cute concept nor do they probably even like it all. The cute concept gets criticized too. I guess its just better to be a unique inbetween without going overboard which is how snsd f(x) 2ne1 wondergirls apink etc have managed to have gotten thus far

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  114. How I deal with sexy concepts: Cover my eyes and pray for my innocent mind back :')


    On another note, I'm so happy that f(x) was mentioned by the knetizens<3 I expected A Pink, SNSD and 2NE1 but not f(x)<333333

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  115. guy groups exposing skin isnt even coommon anymore


    mainly only 2pm & rain are known for doing that


    guy groups usually stay covered up, I dont see them swinging their dicks around for attention

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  116. I couldn't agree more, like there are tons of concepts or gimmicks to use beside overly sexy concept. And why do people here think that there are only Sexy and Cute/Innocent. There are classy, fierce, tough, badass, funky, etc.

    "For a group to have a lasting impact, they must also have a big fanbase.
    Girls are the core of many of these fanbases and most girls don't like
    sexy concepts as much"

    Yes.. all hail fangirls

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  117. But that person has a point, there's two sides to every coin. While a cute concept is something that the family can watch, you still have uncle fans who dwell on the idea that they have a female singer or a girl group that thrives off of this "innocent" concept and fetishize them for their innocence. It's just as exploitative and can be just as perverse depending upon the viewers.


    The other con to it being what OP stated. Running around like bimbos thinking love is a completely innocent matter.

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  118. Appreciating the random TOP shoutout! ^^
    He is definitely the ultimate example of sexy-as-hell without showing ANY skin but his gorgeous face! And then there's his voice........

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  119. "I don't see them swinging their dicks around for attention"....
    LOL to the visual I now have in my mind!

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  120. "When there are sexy moves, we will try to avoid doing camera close ups on certain body parts or turn it into a full shot"

    yet almost every performance has close up ass shots

    6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

    this is straight up bullshit, they all have done sexy concepts

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  121. Yes, yes they are. My mom is in charge in my house and IT IS SCARY!

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  122. Hmmmm... Sexy concepts are kinda boring... Its basically all the same. Oh look at my legs! ~~ they're so long, white and thin ~~ or What about a piece of my danglicious ass ~~ you know you want ~~ or worse Let me scrub myself and open my mouth like O ~~
    I have no expectations......

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  123. Their rules have actually gotten a lot more lax. Rainbow was censored fromm showing their belly buttons in "A" performances, but now they're able come back with their newest release, which is a lot more suggestive.

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  124. 6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

    7. [+186, -12] Groups that are meant to be popular will be popular without gimmicks like this... Soshi, 2NE1, f(x), A Pink..
    I totally agree with both of these comments. I guest that's why I like Girls Generation, Wonder Girls, A Pink, and 2ne1. They don't need to do sexy concepts to get your attention.

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  125. In America too though. Miley Cyrus is viewed as a slut.

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  126. [+773, -29] I really don't know where to keep my eyes lately

    AHAHAHAHAHA PREACH

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  127. "We can't ignore the criticism that it's receiving but their opinions are definitely not our priority."

    I really like this sentence

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  128. Korea's culture is very conservative towards women. It's a bit hard for Knets to get used to something we already are. Men are treated a bit kindly since, well, 5ever.

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  129. Another agency rep, "There are times when criticisms against sexy concepts are certainly hot but our method is to avoid using a sexy concept at those times then. We're especially careful lately when criticisms are at its height over the excessive sexy concepts. It will quiet down soon enough. There are also times when the PDs will check thoroughly down to every detail but we can be careful and avoid those times. Broadcast companies are naturally thirsty for viewer ratings so they will let things slide as long as it's not too over the board."

    I can't believe they said thirsty XD

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  130. For some reason Yunho came to my mind omo XD

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  131. "I dont see them swinging their dicks around for attention"
    No, just..vigorously pushing them into the air.


    It's not common anymore but is wasn't this controversial when it was common. I feel like I made a very tired but obvious observation so what are y'all even trying to deny?

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  132. I'm pretty sure those were only antis criticizing them? Correct me if I'm wrong, but GG had loads of antis at that time.

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  133. how i miss them ㅠ ㅠ

    https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdpqr0aOUb1qbaabno2_250.gif

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  134. K-Pop's primary audience is actually the teen demographic.

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  135. K-POP demographic is for teens...young adults and adults listen to more mature things that are outside of the K-POP realm.

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  136. I genuinely can't recall the last time I saw a guy group go shirtless or do some inappropriate grinding or whatever unless it was their concert. Idk about Rain's comeback but for the most part most of these guy groups have pretty tame clothing and choreography.

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  137. Doesn't Sistar have three songs were the main focus is their ass?

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  138. I don't understand Korean, I remember how they sick of those cutey cringy concept of girl group. Then why did they also hate the sexy concept? What do they want?

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  139. Well, that's true! ^^ for some reason my imagination saw her "suggestion" as swinging it in their hands or something and not just randomly in their pants like in Yunho's case....whaddya wanna bet that someone will now post that infamous gif? It always finds it's way back into NB articles....

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  140. GP Basic is coming back if you want something refreshing,they aren't new or popular but they're really talented and does good hip hop.Check them out,Serious music here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abO37lUidUA

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  141. Because Korea is sexist.

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  142. Sorry to ride on your comment but if they don't want sexy concepts,why don't they support something like this? these girls are making a comeback,I bet nobody will notice them because they are neither cute or sexy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abO37lUidUA

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  143. they shoed just as much as the nexy group with a sexy concept. its only because they wore light colored/white outfits that it wasnt seen as bad. if they wore the same thing in black it wouldve been consiered too sexy.


    look at raias "Dr. feel good" those outfits showed just as much as GG's Genie outfits


    (of course i know their dance was more sexual but u get y point. )

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  144. since i am woman i feel a bit embarrased seeing people who wear sexy dress and dancing sexily like sistar,Girls day etc ..i prefer girl group like snsd fx 2ne1,,,they are unique in their on way...i like apink too but i didnt followed them that much compared to f(soshi) 2ne1

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  145. yess,,snsd tell me your wish ...i love the song the dance on their unique clothes
    not try hard to look sexy

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  146. Wow I really thought they disbanded. Nice to see them back now

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  147. And Seo In Young, IIRC...

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  148. He...wore a... bra...?

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  149. "If their point choreography is sexually suggestive, we won't do any close ups and pan the camera out as far as possible."


    1. they zoom in on their butts, but that's not necessarily sexual for a guy. if it were a girl it would be deemed as inappropriate.


    2. they hump the chairs. if that's not suggestive then what is? adtoy of self-skinship.. when they touch themselves in the normal choreography they're acting as if it's their lost lover. when they're humping the chairs what exactly do you think that's implying?


    3. the girls are basically give them lap dances. i don't really think anything else needs to be said with that...


    don't get me wrong, i'm hottest, but i also wanted to point out that 2pm is able to find a loophole in the sexy concept /ban/ because they're 2pm.


    http://youtu.be/1nNO_59j6QE?t=2m30s

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  150. 1. [+1,100, -17] It's really harder to find a female singer who doesn't have a sexy concept nowadays...
    Well don't worry 2NE1 is coming back with a sci-fi concept for ya

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  151. " It's really harder to find a female singer who doesn't have a sexy concept nowadays"

    iu...younha...hm...who else?

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  152. I'll admit, 2PM definitely use the sexy concept often and recently, but they're pretty much the outlier here. Most groups haven't used sexy concept in a while.

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  153. there is no line for spliting different about sexy concept nowadays, like how much or how wide skin be exposed. .. it is difficult through. sexy concept is depend on what are you thinking and see.

    [+186, -12] Groups that are meant to be popular will be popular without gimmicks like this... Soshi, 2NE1, f(x), A Pink..

    oh plisss.. soshi??? this person must be blind....

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  154. this noise about girl groups and sexy concepts is getting annoying and everyone keeps over looking the fact that certain girl groups have done it just because they're at a point in their careers where they don't have to do it anymore as much

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  155. So true... Fangirls sometimes adore girl groups because they pretty, beautiful, charming etc... i love 2ne1, SNSD, Wonder Girls for all that reason. & fashion is important too since we`re girls also want to dress pretty like idol. and u dont see a girl want to dress so sexy / revealing like a slut...and from my point as a girl, i dont find a woman that sexy if the outfit too revealing. But if any of other girl group song is good.. i still hear it but for the song not for themselves like how im in love with 2ne1 & SNSD.

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  156. 5. [+627, -106] How about just get rid of the music programs



    ^ Is this person INSANE? O.O

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  157. Love, LOVE this performance and appreciated when it was performed repeatedly on music show stages last Spring......This is an excellent example of being VERY sexy while "covered up"......ok gonna go watch it, again.... ^^

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  158. why I'm personally against these sexy concepts is that I hate when people are publicized as sex objects. I really love groups like Apink, And as for the guys, I'd pick SHINee over any wanna be sexy...(insert group) any day; except maybe when Jonghyun wants to be Jonghyun ><

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  159. What groups are you watching? I don't know the last group that did that...

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  160. wooo GP Basic fan, I'm so happy they're finally coming back. I only know like 2 other people who support them so I'm happy they'll finally get exposure.

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  161. I agree, have nothing against them, but sometimes (or most of the time in my case) I think they could be done more tastefully. I LOVE when Hyori, or Ivy, or Park Jiyoon, or Um Jung Hwa comes back with their sexy concepts. Being sexy is not stripping your clothes off, its an attitude, its a confidence. I thought CL's part was very beautiful on Missing you mv, and she was fully nude. There was a singer that I used to find very pretty, U;nee, and she committed a suicide because she couldnt handle her company's constant pressure that forced her to sexy image. Hope nothing like this will happen again.

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  162. how many groups do you actually see doing that often?
    The raunchiest idols to me are like 2PM, Rain, Jay Park, aaand...That's all I can think of

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  163. As much as I love BtoB, their crotch grab in WOW was a bit questionable lets be real.
    But other than that I haven't seen a super raunchy boy group in a while. Not that I can remember at least.

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  164. I know why this is so true. Most of these groups you mention have a really large young fan base. Kids love music too and no parent really wants their kid jamming to a Rihanna's "Te Amo"........ I see a lot of people here calling it out as sexism but the funny thing is a larger part of fans of girl groups with cute concepts are females themselves so what does this tell us?

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  165. apink concept is not too cute @ childish...their concept is more to ses concept...clean, fresh, innocent and moderate cute. netizen like apink concept as they remind them bout legend,ses

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  166. 97% of concepts now revolve around a /street/ feel with the pyrex clothing; bts, exo, and now got7.

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  167. The thing is that the cute concept is no different. It still selling sex but in a different way. It is not as overtly shown but it still sex.

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  168. That leg dance was just sexy enough. They didn't have to spread their legs or touch themselves to look sexy...

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  169. SES and FinKL never had the short sexy outfits. FinKL's "Now" was their strong sexy concept and they wore suits!

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  170. Plenty of other girl groups have used different types of sexy. Even SISTAR has cute-sexy with Loving U, SNSD was fierce & sexy with Genie. It's like a race to see who can have the most provocative dances and show the most the skin. It's like the companies look at groups that have gained more attention by being sexier and try to amp it up with their own.

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  171. seriously -_- in all the recent sexy comeback there is always THATrandom embarrassing dance move.

    Girls Day: i-want-to-pee-now dance
    Dalshabet: jst-rubbing-my-boob-violently-cuz-itchy move
    Hyorin: frog-legs stance
    Rainbow: high frog kick
    AoA: super random girl lying on the floor in the beginning...

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  172. They're both viewed as gimmicks. And girl groups don't have to default to cute concepts just because sexy is viewed poorly. There are plenty of other concept these girls can take that aren't viewed negatively, such as ones f(x) and 2ne1 use.

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  173. While boy groups don't tend to stay on that concept for too long, they still use it from time to time, you can see it in smaller doses, as an example Leeteuk's constant lack of shirt/open blazer during a lot of S,F&S perfs, or B.A.P's crotch grabbing in No Mercy. Boy groups usually don't go into the concept as a whole, but some tend to keep one or two members constantly into it, such as Lee Joon, Leeteuk/Siwon. The sexy concept is always present on k-pop, right now it is having an influx of gilrs groups doing it.... just like boy groups doing the street/tough/hip-hop influenced one.

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  174. 6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain.

    7. [+186, -12] Groups that are meant to be popular will be popular without gimmicks like this... Soshi, 2NE1, f(x), A Pink..

    8. [+184, -15] Back in th eday, SES and Fin.KL used to wear suits ㅋㅋ They wore at least four times more clothes than current girl groups but they were still way~ more beautiful



    I get times change and the perspectives might change but the greed for money turns these girls into awkward looking dancers and it makes me just cringe at times, I'm not saying i want it to go back the way it was because it can't and it will prob happen sooner or later.

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  175. I somehow follow f(x). Yes, f(x) gets praised for its "less skin exposure" concepts. But I have to admit that as a person with a penis I would love to see f(x) dong sexy concepts. I saw f(x) sans Amber performing Mr Boogie and LunKrysAmber covering snsd's The Boys. Hell, I am for SEXY f(x)!

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  176. Can't remember my passwordJanuary 20, 2014 at 11:08 PM

    I only hear any mention of what they'll be doing for girl groups. What are they going to do for boy bands that are like this?

    http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj8xs1XUPf1qcr0bc.gif

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  177. I just hope f(x) and apink will not do these kind of sexy concept

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  178. Can't remember my passwordJanuary 20, 2014 at 11:10 PM

    Yeah, but Miley Cyrus has song one song where she's completely naked and another where she's masturbating. I don't think that's really a double standard there.

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  179. um and they are all under big companies so top acting like they mad it to wear they are on their own purely based on talent.


    SM, YG, & JYP had a lot of influence when all those groups debuted.

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  180. Well companies are going to the sexy concept for a reason, more people are buying it. Why don't the people who don't like it just support the type of concept/song they like (I'm sure they're out there) to let them know that's what is truly wanted/popular. It gets a lot more done than criticizing it on the comments section because at the end of the day its always going to be about what makes money and what doesn't

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  181. erm.......I really don't get your point. cute is sex? how?

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  182. if not sexy then cute concept I'm so bored, can't they make another concept please

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  183. 1. [+1,100, -17] It's really harder to find a female singer who doesn't have a sexy concept nowadays...



    Because you don't pay attention to the ones that don't. AOA anyone?

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  184. It's not called the "frog-legs dance" it's actually "crab dance"

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  185. the sexiness between male and female are different

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  186. Uh, for one, many of the cute concepts are suppose to remind viewers of themes such as "innocents" and by extension "virginity". Many people are attracted to this notion. You don't need to sell sex by showing skin. Sex is very much attached to the human being. Besides, whenever an idol is onstage dancing, i.e. shaking their booty, whether it be covered in a pair of jeans or skimpy shorts. Is it not sexually suggestive?

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  187. Even groups like APink wear short skirts/hot pants and have dance moves where they shake their butts. It's subtle but it's still there.

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  188. i think CSJH's the group that could do well with any concepts like acapella, ballad, cute, sexy, ...

    too bad SM didnt focus on them :(

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  189. Well companies are going to the sexy concept for a reason, more people are buying it. Why don't the people who don't like it just support the type of concept/song they like (I'm sure they're out there) to let them know that's what is truly wanted/popular. It gets a lot more done than criticizing it on the comments section because at the end of the day its always going to be about what makes money and what doesn't

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  190. lmao it is not 2pm fault that the cameramen zoom in their butt

    and 2pm were hated so much bcs their sexy concept

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  191. elders love music too, I introduced IU and a-pink's music to my granny when she asked me for some catchy dance songs similar to "gee" and "nobody". there's no way I'll told her to check out AOA or girls day's new release -_-

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  192. Sexy concepts which show skin can be an issue no matter if it is a boy group and a girl group. Performing shirtless for guys has been banned for guys since Rain did it years ago.


    Girls groups get in more trouble for showing skin on music show simply because it is more frequent (and because more viewers are girls, who are quicker at slut shaming girl groups than guys who simply dont give a fuck about boy groups).

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  193. why people always connecting 2pm to shirtless?
    the one i know who shirtless while perform (except their own concert) is taecyeon and it was only heartbeat

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  194. "6. [+208, -16] Girl groups like SNSD, 2nE1, and Wonder Girls never got
    popular through sexy concepts. Look at A Pink, they're doing just fine
    without a sexy concept. Sexy concepts only bring momentary gain."

    Yeah, because wearing micromini shorts and skirts isn't about advertising sex appeal, even in the slightest way. If SNSD weren't trying to sell their appearance as well as their songs, they'd be covered up like nuns. Like, don't tell me that Oh! and its cheerleader concept straight out of schoolgirl porn wasn't about appealing to pervert fanboys. Oppa oppa oppa, I'll be down down down indeed.

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