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Sunday, January 26, 2014

Crayon Pop accused of pushing SNSD's Sunny?


Article: "Crayon Pop pushing SNSD's back?" Ending video of Seoul Music Awards under controversy

Source: TV Daily via Nate [Pann gifs here]

1. [+767, -110] In the video, you can can see that she pushed Sunny and then posed

2. [+746, -118] To all the people claiming that she didn't push her, go watch the video. It's goose bump inducingly accurate.

3. [+167, -29] Please attach videos to these articles so that the idiots claiming otherwise can shut up

4. [+62, -11] If you see the gif, she 100% pushed her... and Yoona looked behind them because she was shoved too. You can see the video on Pann.

5. [+54, -4] Yoona looked behind them when she saw Sunny and Tiffany suddenly pushed forward.

6. [+50, -6] She 100% pushed them. I remember Ellin? saying she proudly got into a fight on Quiz That Changed the World, well you can see what type of girl she is

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315 comments:

  1. I'm sorry did you watch the Melon charts? I check Melon every day or every other day atleast. Do you know how long Growl has been out and where it is on Melon right now? Do you know how it did in its first couple months on Melon? Can you compare it to other popular songs released around its time? All these things I know because I like to keep a constant eye on the charts just for the hell of it because it can be interesting. Please though, if you have something actually constructive to say then I would love to hear.

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  2. I mean if it isn't THE best then it is top 5 or top 3 at the very least. I scan through Melon almost everyday and Growl has done so phenomenally well I cannot understand it.

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  3. cheon songyi should be picked!
    aww.. sawreeh...!

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  4. look at the smug face on that bitch behind tiffany i am going to shove her face into a toilet bowl.

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  5. i;m not a fan of crayon. and i'm in love with snsd for all this years. but when i have repeat this video until many times i'm sure that everything is alright. crayon pop didn't do something disrespectful. to SNSD..


    hope everyone could see it too. ^^

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  6. everyone is a sone.. even crayon flop fans are sones.

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  7. ohk, thanks for making it clear.

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  8. Being as successful as someone else isnt a threat. 2013 was EXO's year but if you look behind that, SHINee did a lot better than they ever have. they stepped up a lot too. Infinite had a similar thing happen. These three groups were all able to improve around the same time without affecting each other. EXO's large sales didnt make the other two sell less


    the whole point of my original comment as that people need to stop using the "infinite is a threat to EXO" argument because that in itself isnt really true. SM wants Infinite yes, but all these speculations need to stop

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  9. Uh, IDK if that's true. If you push Sunny, I'm sure Sunny would have turned and pushed back back or said something. She is one of those seemingly very outspoken SNSD members.

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  10. yeah i heard that rumour

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  11. this gets me every time. i remember watching it on showtime and waiting for the last part to end and it didnt and all i saw was sehun doing that face

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  12. Oh please. SME isn't the only groups that NB users hate on.

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  13. exo were there for 10 minutes in each episode...they were cut really badly

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  14. http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2014/01/crayon-pop-accused-of-pushing-snsds.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+NetizenBuzz+(Netizen+Buzz)&m=1

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  15. XD hehehe oops~ it's really weird tho. Cause woollim entertainment is not the type to accept these type of offers. The CEO even sold his house in order to keep the company running. Can you imagine someone who did something like that merge with another company?

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  16. 1. way was holding ellin's hand http://25.media.tumblr.com/63bca34fa26a172c6391ff464ee6a5d9/tumblr_mzzh5pvsqH1rqjkedo3_500.gif

    2. yoona was looking at tiffany probably bec she were suddenly closer to her. heres's a closeup gif: http://cafe.daum.net/WorldcupLove/Knj/1549302?q=%BC%D2%B3%E0%BD%C3%B4%EB%20%C5%A9%B7%A1%BF%EB



    pls dont blindly accuse crayon pop. nobody pushed nobody. even if it did happen, there were too many ppl and everyone squished each other. at the end of the video, cp bowed to snsd.

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  17. this is such crap

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  18. ^^^ this.
    it hurts to see all the hard work they've suppressed over the years down to this.
    a part of me is hoping for these rumours to just be misconceptions because i don't want to see infinite hurt like this

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  19. idk if you're blind or something but look at the second picture from the article. way (the one being accused of pushing sunny) was holding elllin's hand.

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  20. omg this.
    apparently, this is why k-fans refuse to share anything with i-fans because they're too skeptical and annoying.

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  21. Now, about their break. It's easy for fangirls to blame SM for all their woes and to demonise them in comparison to other companies. Whenever I read comments that do this, I know that the writer knows nothing about K-Pop and should sit back down and read more about its history.

    Besides, every company is the same and seeks profits as a long-term objective. It isn't some artsy college music society: K-Pop is a multi-million dollar industry with the potential for billions in expansion across the continent.

    JYJ breaking their contracts goes against everything I believe in. They made a promise at debut in the form of a contract, keeping their heads down while earning fame under the direction of SM, before deciding they wanted more money. They went to a higher power to try to break that promise. A man must stick to his word, no matter how painful the consequences. Without that, he is without honour.

    Let's break it down. In the end, JYJ chose money over all, yes over all things. They were successful enough to be allowed creative input into their activities, so the artistic issue is right out the window already. And one should be judged by actions, not words, and their actions speak volumes.

    They said Always Keep the Faith.

    We thought they'd be five forever.

    They chose to leave the group. They chose to leave Yunho and Changmin behind. They chose money over their two other members. They chose to break the trust of those who made them who they are today. They succumbed to greed, no matter how fans wish to put it... and that reality is the sad truth.

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  22. Of course, think about it, that company need money to expand themselves, the merge will help them getting money. Take a look, Infinite did have a world tour, (they did a concert in my country I cried because I couldn't even go xD )
    I know that the CE did putted much effort to bbuild that company but growing even bigger is not a bad thing, imo

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  23. LOL I doubt SONEs started this. SONEs have reached the maturity level beyond 2008 to start such Childish rumors.

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  24. I didn't like any of this either. In fact I hope Infinite can get out of this mess as quickly as possible. It would be better if they didn't merge in the first place, but that would makes me a very selfish person. The main reason Woollim agreed to the merger was to help all artist under them to shine, not only Infinite.
    But the these speculations at least has their basis, not blindly hating on SM for no reason. Fans has realized this for so long since the merger that's why they're come out with these. These all look shady if you ask me tbh.

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  25. Stop it.
    Netizen like you is tainting our fandom with rubbish.

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  26. Stop. Those who still insist that Sunny was pushed and "threatening" CP needs to stop. It's embarrassing. = = Yes, the small gifs can easily make people misunderstand (Even I was shocked at first) but now that it's pretty clear that no pushed anyone, ppl need to stop. A tip for next time, when something like this happens, find out more/dig a little deeper before jumping into conclusions.

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  27. sorry to say this.. but this is my opinion.. i already suspicious about merger since the beginning... you know it's very simple... they merge with the woollim because it's easy for them to control woollim movement... they can know about woollim movement first and make counter attack at the very appropriate time... like you know, you must acknowledge your enemy to know more about them. i know all of you will said i'm a delusion fangirls... but look at jyj right now... it's not possible for SM to crush down Infinite... at Gayo Daejun... how come EXO get a special stage even Infinite win the poll??? i know you will said why SM want to waste their money if they want to crush down infinite.. like all of you said SM is a multimillionaire.. and it's not so much lost for SM to lose a their money to make their artist well known right??? Infinite is have a bright future if the group are well managed and keep the hard working.. with proper management and promotion.. it will not be surprised if Infinite become a leader in the KPOP world... they even beat YG at 2013 in album sale.. with only infinite and Tasty as their aritst... Right know you can see most of their artist already loose their power like TVXQ, SNSD,Super Junior and the only source for them right now are only EXO... they need to push off the artist that will make their artist down right??? but they forgot... the new artist in the industry slowly climbing up take over the industry... Let's wait and see what will happen in the future...

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  28. lol i’m not delusional. i get the popularity shit all but tbvh they're from sm and i know sm has great marketing skills. i mean two versions of each album for each comeback? smart. and i was addicted to growl for a period of time. so i do know shit k.

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  29. Wow....just made an account to bad mouth sone lol
    you got some *determination*.

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  30. ;-; why didn't you go? I had finals and it would have costed me at least $2,000 for the trip lol. That's true too, but I rather merge and keep my house hahaha!

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  31. I cant take your comment seriously if you are going to say garbage like this "Right know you can see most of their artist already loose their power like TVXQ, SNSD,Super Junior and the only source for them right now are only EXO"

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  32. Here is the video not sure what to make of it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsPKC-fXt0

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  33. Kinda sucks, cause groups like tvxq, snsd, and suju would still have power if sm knew how to promote them right and not neglect them while they promote exo like products.

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  34. i don't know. but sometimes what we tought is real.. yeah you know.. korean entertainment is cruel.. i agree with you

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  35. YES AGAIN! right. don't forget F(x)!

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  36. Chrome Entertainment has just released a statement:

    After having conversed with our Crayon Pop member Way we have looked at the situation and agreed that she acted correctly in pushing Sunny of that damn stage. As Crayon Pop we have come to the agreement that it is paramount to push out such galbijip in our process of growing as musicians. By this we confirm that Crayon Pop and Girl's Generation have officially cancelled their Sunbae / Hoobae relationship. We're deeply sorry for making our fans worry over this matter and will strive to show you a better Crayon Pop in the future. Please look over us fondly.

    CEO Hwang

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  37. oh wow she is beautiful holy hell

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  38. people jump into conclusion so easily =.=
    i mean come on if sunny was pushed i'm sure she'd look back to see who pushed her

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  39. I couldn't go because Of One Thing. ...MONEY.... ;o;
    Yeah you're right...it's better to keep your house.xD

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  40. if this is true, if all speculation right. this is so scary..

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  41. F(x) too.. I guess sm didn't achieve what they wanted with f(x) :( slowly going to the dungeon.

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  42. EXO got a special stage?? Not denying that Infinite won or anything, but EXO didn't get a special stage. I dont think it was the one at the SBS drama(or was that entertainment?) awards . Crayon Pop performed too.

    LMAO and btw, the post on tumblr about them getting unfair treatment, having to sew their wardrobe by theirselves, etc, are fake. Made by


    https://twitter.com/namwoohyeons

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  43. Exactly! Especially when they have done shady things in the past... or did many forget that already.

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  44. until now. i just don't get any clue what is SM purpose to debuting F(x).. with all of SM power. (yeah everyone saying like that. 'SM Power') i thought at least make a fandom name isn't that difficult.. poor girls

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  45. what the hell are you even saying? those groups didnt even lose power

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  46. Monnnneeeeyyyyyy. :( my state is so big but nobody ever comes here. Why!?!? It's the biggest!! Is that hyoyeon as your avi? I can't tell xD

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  47. Soshi losing power??? IGAB wasnt everybody's cup of tea but they're far from over. They're still owning charts and album sales.

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  48. bcoz they pushed sunny together

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  49. But even then, if they wanted to sabotage Infinite they wouldn't have bought out their company at all.
    What would be the point? From a business standpoint, money is the main objective and a business makes money by profit. Why would SM's only retaliation be to buy Infinite then toss them aside while losing grand profit? I'm sure they have better sabotage skills than that.
    To invest in Infinite would mean that they would want to regain the money they spent investing in them but sabotaging them would do the exact opposite.
    Why wouldn SM want Infinite to be unsuccessful if Infinite being successful would only bring SM more money?
    Woolim was no where near being a threat to the "big 3" as JYP, YG and SM have way more groups than them that have large fandoms that are strong in album and concert sales. None of them have any reason to be intimidated by Infinite's success through Woolim it seems.

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  50. well she IS an actress

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  51. sm destroyed infinite to get exo popular and b1a4 will prolly be next for messing with tvxq. look at all the articles sm put out about b1a4 buying back their albums

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  52. Experimental group that failed. :(

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  53. just because the cuntry itself is small it doens't mean the industry is small as well

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  54. As for me....Paris is the only place where kpop acts come,I live in the south far far away xD
    Yes it's my bias, Hyoyeon *^*

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  55. SM doesn't need to destroy INFINITE to get EXO popular.

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  56. I can tell tvxq is losing powers. Not sure about the other two... But tvxq Japanese songs have downgraded to hallyuwave style, sm doesn't even hire Japanese writers for them anymore. ;-; they just take their Korean songs and recreate them to Japanese. Power is slowly dying. Being neglected soon.

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  57. And youre forgetting SHINee btw

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  58. "they need to push off the artist that will make their artist down"


    i know Infinite is getting big but with artists like SJ, SNSD and TVXQ alone, SME can still manage to get the amount of fans and profit that they want. now why would they have to merge with woollim just so they can "put down" the latter's artists, merging is not some kind of a free agreement, it takes a whole lot of money for it to be executed, would sme actually invest in petty things like that? we dont know what's going on with the 2 label companies but im pretty sure what's going on would benefit woollim, as well as sm, so much that they agree to this kind of contract sm is trying to give them..

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  59. Sm is gonna buy VIXX next

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  60. Well i dont know much about that. what was their latest japanese release?

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  61. here's a larger version of the gif

    http://cafe.daum.net/WorldcupLove/Knj/1549302?q=%BC%D2%B3%E0%BD%C3%B4%EB%20%C5%A9%B7%A1%BF%EB



    ellin pulled way to the front & at the same time, tiffany's hand was on sunny's back. it was tiffany who pulled sunny closer to her. & yoona? she was looking at tiffany probably because tiffany was suddenly closer to her.

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  62. Is it true sm purposely printed limited number of IGAB album and it ran out of stock under 300k because they wanted EXO to win all the daesang? ;-; I hope it's a lie.

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  63. sm ent. could be careless giving a response regarding this stupid thing

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  64. thal 1st comment already +1800 now in nate, #prayforcrayonpop

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  65. TIME - don't listen to it, worse album ever. I recommend TONE and everything previous from that. :D

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  66. Sungjong and sunggyu walking around in Paris~ <33 nice avi! How long does it take u to get to Paris? xD

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  67. Why would they do that lol that's just dumb
    That's doesn't make sense from a business perspective at all. If anything, they were probably doing it for SHINee
    (since it has been discussed here how SM wanted SHINee to bag the daesangs last year)

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  68. I don't think Sunny will push back though lol. But yes there'll be a reaction from her, as with everybody other normal human being.

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  69. I thought it was stated that SM only distribute their musics and Woollim can still promote them in their own agency. Am I wrong?

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  70. But no one here hates on them except trolls?

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  71. Good lord you're speaking as if you're the only one who watches charts. Sure there's no way I can monitor how well every single song did but Growl happened to be one of those songs that fell under my radar. So excuse YOU I'm actually very well-informed on everything I need to know before I said that to you.

    If your "this year" refers to 2013, Growl certainly did not do "the best out of everything on MELON" as you claimed. Don't believe me? I've attached part of the Melon Yearly Top 100 list for you. There are clearly 11 other songs that charted ahead of Growl in 2013.

    And if your "this year" refers to 2014, that's even funnier because Growl is nowhere close to the Melon Top 10 right now, nor to the Daily Top 10, nor to the Weekly Top 10 for past 3 weeks. Growl did well, yes. But it didn't beat everything else on Melon. Not in 2013. Not in 2014 (or at least not yet). I don't know how you got that idea.

    I believe that's constructive enough.

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  72. They'll. Not now but they're getting older and people want cute and fresh girl group. Sm give them garbage song meanwhile another group have a good song. How long SM will keep SNSD, Idol can't last longer especially girl group.

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  73. I think everyone should wait for infinite to comeback and see how their mv looks, how their songs are and how well they sell. Then we can all come back and re-evaluate this issue

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  74. Sounds just like tvxq's situation right now.

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  75. well, sometime business or THREAT doesn't mean all about 'MONEY', it's pride,

    let me quote Sun Tzu's " be close to your friends, keep closer to your enemies" Woolim isn't not a match yet, but it seem like SM want to kill them since before they become more bigger.

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  76. This gift sucks
    Are disconnected frames
    Is this gif to make up a lie?
    The other gif where we can see Way DIDN'T push her is fluent... a whole video cut!! not like this one

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  77. As i read on, almost everyone on NB including Sones think Sunny isn't pushed. So what are we debating here?


    Oh yes, i forgot. K-netizens' over-reation. To everything. As always.

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  78. If a SHINEee fan(s) was part of this way too fucking long rant they need to worry more about their own group which is quickly become the f(x) of SM's boy groups (and I don't mean that in a good way. I mean it in an afterthought, we don't pay much attention to them way)

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  79. I feel like a bad kpop fan, I didn't even once went to a kpop concert ;-; and thank you *-*
    Hum....8/9 hours I think :3

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  80. The people standing beside and behind Crayon Pop would have seen the whole thing if there were any pushing. Way just brought up her hand like everyone else to make the peace sign as a camera was focusing in their direction. SNSD members moved forward to have their faces in that camera's view. O.M.G!

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  81. " [+746, -118] To all the people claiming that she didn't push her, go watch the video. It's goose bump inducingly accurate. "

    Some people are seriously overreacting, it's not like she stabed her. I've seen the gif and it didn't pushed her,at least not intentionally. Sunny did not turn back or seemed annoyed so I think this is just a way to throw mud into another girl group.I hope that this thing will be cleared by Sunny or the other girl,before one of those people who commented above will have a heart attack beacuse of the video.

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  82. Omg...,.. That's far! :( I've only been to wonder girls twice lol, jyp and his advancement to USA. Didn't work out well but I got to meet theeem

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  83. They will. Everybody will. There comes a time when 2nd gen idols will have to move on, no matter how hard it is. And that's true for every company/group, not just SM,

    They are one girl group who has a HUGE fandom. Something other girl groups struggle to have. They actually have a female fandom that will be willing to support them, buying albums, concerts, etc. You just don't underestimate their fandom. Sure there might come another big girl group. But do you honestly see that now?
    2ne1 has a STRONG fandom, but YG has no calendar. SISTAR is good, but no fandom. APink is rising, but they're still far from Soshi level.(obvious since soshi is a senior) As long as Soshi is still alive, it will be hard to take top position from them.

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  84. that's the reason I was having doubts! If someone pushed me I would at least look back at them and look at them weird but that didn't really happen.(not that I noticed in the gif.)

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  85. But didn't IGAB come out like 6 months before EXO's album? They had no way of knowing EXO would be so popular and sell so much.

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  86. Soooooo Lucky .....;-;
    Maybe one day...my dream will come true,maybeeeeeee xD

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  87. It's rumored that her mother thought Eric was too young and inexperienced. Apparently, they wanted to get married!

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  88. Sones dont owe you any explanation because we did not bash cp. Tbh how do yknow those comments are from sones?

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  89. IDK. Companies and their artistes don't usually clear stuff up when there's no basis. Even CP's company might be laughing at it while netizens get worked up over it. Unless this thing becomes huge, i'm guessing both parties are just going to treat this as petty news (if they even know about it), like one of those that they come across every other day in Korea. Just my thoughts though. :)

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  90. Fluent in English? Have you heard her speak? Lol

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  91. YES she can finally get the "bad girl" role
    not bad meaning good but actually bad you know

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  92. Not true about SHINee. SM does seem to be paying more attention to them now. Jonghyun after 3 years has his 1st solo schedule. his is going to host his own radio show as well as he joined the cast of a new kBS show about music/songwriters/composers. Taemin is going back to immortal song 2, Key is getting this subunit with Woohyun. SHINee has started off this year with a festival tour in Hong Kong

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  93. Unacceptable. How can a hoobae push their korea-top-girl-group-sunbae just to get attention?! Rude and totally disrespectful!! They think they can act like queens just bcs their popularity rose with Barx3 and they can shove their sunbae?? Challenging the top girl group ridiculous. SNSD>>>>>>>Crayon pop=Attention whores. Crayon pop blacklisted!!

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  94. If SM is so confident that they were the first one to advance in Japan and now trying to solve this lots of K-idols promoting in Japan by spreading out their content into different countries like Taiwan and Thailand especially China, why would SM think they're the threat when in fact SM is leading all music stores? As what @mae said, It doesn't make much sense at all. Why would SM buy them just to throw them away when most people always think SM is hungry for money? Isn't it a waste of money? How about SM will use INFINITE to earn lots of money since their popularity is starting to rise? Just asking the questions and want to know more of your opinion.

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  95. Here comes the international version of a k-netizen… Hello there...

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  96. This was one of the most stupid things I have read for along time like seriously.

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  97. if Sunny was pushed from behind, she would have turned around. She didn't even do that.


    Dumbass knetz

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  98. I'll ask again even I already asked it to other person, I thought it was stated that SM only distribute their musics and Woollim can still promote their idols in their own. Am I wrong?

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  99. There is only room for so many dance oriented boy groups. If Infinite is doing well, better buy them even if you don't plan to promote them than to have them as competition.
    Common in many businesses, in IT you frequently buy companies than have competing technologies and just shelves them, the goal being to get get rid of competition.

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  100. But, and I say this with all respect to Infinite and their great talent and major hardwork, Infinite is popular but in no way were they as popular as other SM groups like SNSD or TVXQ or even Super Junior and (depending who you ask) SHINee. Let alone all of those groups combined. Tasty, with respect to the both of them as well, isn't all that popular so the main group Woolim had going for them was Infinite. So to say SM is intimidated by Woolim's (very slow/almost nonexistent) growth seems like a naive statement.
    SM throwing away money to save their pride isn't smart business wise (which is what they are, a business) and it doesn't benefit SM at all or anyone for that matter whatsoever. SM is smarter than that ("money hungry SM" wouldn't allow decreased profit just to patch up their ego) and if they truly wanted to manipulate Infinite's success then they would without having to buy their entire company.
    Sure, Sun Tzu says to keep your enemies closer but in no way does Woolim seem like any sort of enemy to SM since I'm sure SM has other companies they would prefer to seem superior to.

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  101. Omg lololololol I won't be surprised if there are people who take you for real.

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  102. thanks for that gif, it's pretty obvious that tiffany pulled sunny with her: if way had pushed her senior, tiffany wouldn't have moved forward at the same time as Sunny did and they would have at least opened up their eyes wide by surprise.Plus when you look at Way's arm, she crossed it accross her chest to reach her groupmate's, but didn't move it forward at all : her arm didn't move in the direction of sunny, but rather on the side : the angle of the picture sucks. i'm sad so many k netz believe this is someone being pushed, what's wrong with their eyes?

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  103. wowow there are always two different story, and if you listen JYJ self composed song "untitled song part one" absolutly for them the one who broke the promise is SM first, and yes they fight for the slave contract since they are not someone who just be quite and endure everything in silent..meh and the money they ask is their own money not anyone money...is that wrong? and why whould the court said if SM do something bad to JYJ regarding their activity they will get punisment and should paid JYJ.
    and how many time jyj said they never leave tvxq they just leave sm and they want to work with yh and cm again but not under sm.but of course this is not gonna happen sinceyh and cm never want to leave sm and why not yh and cm leave sm with jyj?loyalty to company?
    and always keep the faith for JYJ means "Always keep my principles and beliefs" notting to do with "will be five forever" meh that what ot5 think

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  104. bitch? u are bitch for insulting people who only get their opinion grow up cuz u don't deserve to be on internet.

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  105. stop believing your idols are perfect, you sound ridiculous: if they had been pushed, they'd have at least opened up their eyes wild, by surprise, and they wouldn't have moved forward (sunny and tiffany moved at the same time) smoothly and not suddenly, violently!

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  106. maybe ur right. i was watching whole video and it looks like tiffany just pull her close and it looks like push from ellin.

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  107. troll :)))

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  108. seriously? ur so mean. everyone that is accusing crayon pop, and saying the worst things.. stop it. its OBVIOUS with all the evidences that way DID NOT PUSH sunny! jeeez, i think u guys just want to put the blame on her, because it feels good, does it? Horrible humans. im sure SNSD and sunny is ashamed to have fans like you and all the others that are accusing way and say horrible things.

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  109. look at the topcomments and the slow versions of the gif, if u still think she pushed her than ur OBVIOUSLY blind

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  110. and the funny thing.. they have Dana the Grace(if i'm not mistaken) and Trax group.. but i am sure both of this group are completely out of promotion...and i wonder why they debut this group...

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  111. the key? you sure?

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  112. LOL don't these neitzens realize how long a merger takes I mean it doesn't just happen over night! All of this BS is just baseless rumor and accusation! Nothing to pay attention to here move along!

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  113. netizens crazy rumour!! they didnt push snsd!! check it out down here


    http://cafe.daum.net/WorldcupLove/Knj/1549302?q=%BC%D2%B3%E0%BD%C3%B4%EB%20%C5%A9%B7%A1%BF%EB

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  114. Anyone have the link of the gifset on Tumblr or video? I remember seeing it today but I didn't think anything about it. And just looking at the comments below it seriously doesn't sound like a big deal. Leave them alone

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  115. The whole context is written as a fan perspective,
    now let us watch the whole thing as business people.


    At the end they still choose money.
    They should know how the money is it profited between members and the entertainment.
    They *JYJ* is asking more money, not their *own* money. The contract is written with how much they will be profited from the money, so if they ask more money, they are asking the money from the company not their own.Beside if it wasn't SM, will they even standing here right now? SM gave them fame, fans and everything what Idols get, but they still ask for more money?


    For example the contract is written like:
    10% for them and 90% for SM
    and they agreed on, isn't it self blame then?


    You read the contract and agreed on them or am I wrong?

    You should knew about this too then, right?
    About the voice file?

    http://truetvxq.blogspot.de/2011/02/complete-translation-of-625-voice-file.html



    If you know about this file, you should know the real, true and ugly side of JYJ

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  116. yup dana. she's one of the beautiful girl in SM. i remember how stephanie just past out by SM. first they just saying that stephanie has injured her waist but she never came out until their contract expired. ㅋㅋㅋ i just don't get why SM actually wanted.

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  117. Her voice would annoy me.. Have you heard her mc'ing?
    uggggh <.< But I'd also like to see the epic reactions XD

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  118. it sounds cruel but it just a reality. you're right. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

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  119. There are different types of mergers. SM and Woolim may be pooling resources.

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  120. -_____-

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/63bca34fa26a172c6391ff464ee6a5d9/tumblr_mzzh5pvsqH1rqjkedo3_500.gif

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  121. Park Shin Hye said she wanted to do an action movie, and this would stretch her character acting into the bad girl realm like Evil Twin and Gong S.

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  122. saying inspirits are dramatic? lol do you even know how it feels when your favorite group who started with nothing and worked so hard to be able to make it on top and make their fans proud? do you know their hardships they went thru to achieve those awards they won? no? then shut up. Inspirits are not being dramatic. We're scared that all of those hardworks might go to drain if sm keeps butting in with woollim's business.

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  123. i doubt all of it is true but sm is certainly capable of holding woolim and infinite back. it's way too coincidental especially with all this unfair treatment infinite has received lately. if i were an inspirit i'd definitely be on high alert, something's up.

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  124. I support crayon pop forever :) they wouldn't do something that will jeopardize their image. This is all a really unfortunate misunderstanding.

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  125. lol what did we do? i don't think anyone needs to apologize here it's just a misunderstanding, people are just being so hypocritical
    imagine it was not SNSD but your idols in this case, especially oppas...

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  126. wow yeah i knew it homin stans favorit site the so true tvxq lol ok let me put the one form JYJ bias site too https://thejyjfiles.wordpress.com/2011/03/16/110314-court-hearing-the-reason-why-jyj-had-no-choice-but-to-sue/
    There so many story from two side and in the end this war not gonna end even thought the lawsuit already end and no winner here lol


    and just like JYJ said "When he needed us, we were family to him. When we needed him, we were strangers."
    http://sharingyoochun.net/2011/01/22/trans-a-song-without-a-name/

    This is a bussiness no family,nation or even town here.



    good luck infinite guy, maybe there is a reason why they close with jyj member lol

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  127. what's sad about this whole thing is Tiffany was trying to be polite and courteous to Crayon Pop so they could actually get in the camera shot. Tiffany at the last second pulls Sunny closer to her because she sees from the corner of her eye that the Crayon Pop members were posing for the camera too. And right when Tiffany pulled Sunny in so they don't block the heads of the Crayon Pop members, Way's left arm moves forward.


    It was an unfortunate timing. No one pushed anyone. This is fact.

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  128. I thought Infinite were just being a bunch of drama queens (lol) when they cried at their concert, but now I guess they might have had a reason :\ Hmmmm I'm an Inspirit AND a Shawol and idk how I feel about this merger, this subunit, everything.

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  129. stfu, put your oppas there and see who's the one being overreacting

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  130. I don't know why...but the moment when i read cutting running man screen time..i think this claim is kinda ridiculous...When u got a little screen time..it is because u are boring...why need to blame the merger...i cant talk about other claim because I'm not really follow what happen between woolim (infinite) and SM...but cutting running man screen time is kinda ridiculous...

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  131. Well, their investigation has a lots of holes like they used how emotionally the group are (overreacting fans), SM putting them down for what when in fact the money is there, SM as a distributor only if I'm not mistaken, testing the water and how Inspirits overreacting when Shawols are very supportive to the unit (refer to this: http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2014/01/pann-whats-going-on-with-sm-c-and.html#comment-1217215950). I still have many questions in my mind. I'm not siding SM to this but this a totally useless accusations.

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  132. Yeah a lot of I-fans need to realize there's a lot of shit we don't know/understand that korean fans do. I have a korean bestie who isn't really into kpop but she always surprises me with the latest gossip that never even reaches int. fans haha

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  133. http://imgur.com/e3GaAF8.gif

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  134. not going to support both side. but you guys must see this.

    http://cafe.daum.net/WorldcupLove/Knj/1549302?q=%BC%D2%B3%E0%BD%C3%B4%EB+%C5%A9%B7%A1%BF%EB

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  135. OFF topic is it just me who wants a superhero sort of movie with Do Min Joon the alien who resides in earth to protect the woman he loves Choi Song Ye and protect the earth at the same time..and TA-DA new korean avenger wow would be ridiculously awesome...

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  136. Ok. Before this i agree with rumours that woohyun and key will be in a duo group , but now i really disagree with this. Please SM town , let INFINITE go. We dont need you , we just need woollim ent. Please break the merge agreement. You have suju , snsd , ezo , and tvxq. Please dont be too greedy. I'm sure INSPIRITS dont want infinite merge with sm. JEBAL!!

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  137. it's possible that sm was not threatened, rather they saw the huge gain that they can benefit from woollim. it's an investment. they saw the huge potential, they buy it and have their own piece of the pie. if they want to sabotage the growth of infinite, they can do it without merging with the whole company. with the power that they have by blocking infinite as accused, they can do that without the merge and without shelling out a huge amount of money too. the merger happened because infinite was growing in popularity and sm wants a piece of that. they're a business. sm c&c merged with woollim, why would sm sabotage an artist that is technically under them too?


    fans are just pressed because infinite didn't get the amount of attention they want for them last year. lbr exo overshadowed all male groups even shinee,

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  138. there are no proof that show that SM really block JYJ...and its not that they not even appear on tv at all...they still appear on drama...
    People keep assuming and spread it without having any solid evidence and as a fan who think oppa is right and the company is wrong keep on believe...
    As a fan, we need to know oppa is not always right and not perfect and before believe anything, make sure that there solid proof to back up the fact..

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  139. lmao ikr. a person i know asked a staff roaming around the concert halls and the staff knows nothing about the merger. sounds legit. anyone who should be in the know wouldn't be roaming around concert halls answering questions from fans. they're all backstage sitting comfortably or in the office chilling out, not doing fieldwork.

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  140. Lawls why does dat bitch stupidness at twitter has something to do with the merging? Why does my future husband Sunggyu at running man has something to do with the merging? This pann post is ridiculous.

    And oh yeah right, oppa crying means anything bc we know oppa very well.off course we know . Shame on me bc I dont understand my future husband very well like all these girls in this pann post. Oppa saranghae .

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  141. it should have been but it wasn't. actually, it should also be shinee's year but lbr exo overshadowed everyone. shit happens. sm wanted to get exo's name out there but instead they blew up and things got out of control. even with careful planning, no one can anticipate the results because there are a slew of factors contributing to an unexpected outcome. infinite could have released 5 albums or done 3 dramas and nonstop variety appearances but if it doesn't work out, it will not work out.

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  142. no, they got about 10 minutes of screentime. all 12 of them combined. that's not a lot of screentime. they weren't the guest for the episodes, they were just there for a short mission.

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  143. it's not delusion more like ignorance coupled with blind rage. if they're not knowledgeable about business ethics and procedures, it is easy to search the subject up. if they're too lazy to do that, it isn't hard to let simple logic do the work. it doesn't take a genius to understand the situation.

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  144. Business is business. Anything is possible. Perhaps if this post sheds some truth, I wish Infinite to do well and for their fans to grab tightly.

    I know they're doing something harmful for others. But on the positive side, with this overpopulated business environment, if SM clears the ocean it will do good to Hallyu and revive its identity. That's why the responsible authorities and major stakeholders aren't interfering because possible it will give them benefit as well.

    Hope you'll understand it first before reacting. This ia purely an opinion.

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  145. Hmm i dont know whether to belive this rumours ot not. hmm sm please dont do this to our infinite. BREAK THE MERGING !!!!!!!! Inspirits sure dont like it. I love your suju,snd, exo but if u really do this to infinite , hmm goodbye sm family.

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  146. I said I was not sure what to make of it for the record I am not a Sone nor Crayon pop fan. But a fan of all kpop.

    I am seriously fed up with people reading into comments. I have since read AJ which goes into more depth and believe it or not I don't think she was pushed either. Why do you think I said 'I am not sure what to make of it' It is because I could not see anything and was unsure.

    Anyone with sense would not have made an issue of the video I posted and seen it as a way to help others make their mind up.

    You are the one who is blind here!!!!

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  147. I had to rewind 5 times until I understood that he said "Aren't you too old to be here".
    Why was he playing as a oversea korean? His accent lol

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  148. Haters gon' hate

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  149. Haters gon' hate

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/87ca59b39e6a081ca2be0fa08270cf99/tumblr_mqltunL7mz1s64d3fo2_500.gif

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  150. Negative publicity it's still publicity I guess :)) .I don't know much about companies, so my comment was related to the the way I would react to this situation.:)

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  151. knetz believe what they saw but not the truth.

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  152. that's not how it works in korea. if you're a part of a fandom, you're only a member of that fandom. you're not allowed to be a part of another fandom. if you want to transfer fandoms, you leave your first fandom then transfer. it's not like international fans who likes a lot of groups. fandoms are serious business in korea. it's an organization.

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  153. If their merger really is to get rid of other companies, I would die laughing if YG merged with CJES and took in JYJ. oh man. I would be so happy as well actually.

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  154. there is not even one group who doesnt working hard. your argument is invalid

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  155. Are you fucking kidding with me right now?

    "This is business no family,nation or even town here."


    If you had read the first paragraph, you should know the *voice file* is from JYJ family members.


    It looks like you don't know anything at all.
    Let me summarize for you.
    The family members met with the fanclub and tried to sabotage SM behind the back. That what happened.

    I feel stupid for taking you serious, that you probably understand the whole thing, the whole context of CJS voice file, yet you just cut only the part out, that you need to feel sympathy for JYJ.

    What did I expect?

    It is Kpop, nothing is logical and everyone is stubborn.

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  156. Sorry but the fact that NoNoNo is #3 tells me that this chart is off in some way. I'm not sure what this is but from watching the realtime Melon chart NoNoNo was not even in the top 3 all that much. Atleast not as much as Growl was. And Growl is still always ATLEAST within the top 50 despite being 5 months old. Where is NoNoNo? It is only a month older but not even in the top 100 anymore. What you linked must not be from the realtime charts, which are most important. There is a reason Growl won Song of the Year at the MMA. -_-

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  157. apparently WM already ruin themself. lol

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  158. "Even CP's company might be laughing at it while netizens get worked up over it."
    Nope. Although blown out of proportion, they need to do damage control asap. SNSD's fanbase is no joke, and this could really affect Crayon Pop, unfortunately.

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  159. So 2 interactions with people means that is how everyone else thinks too? lol. Beast is obviously popular and Infinite is up there too but you can't just generalize this much based off of your limited experience. If you look at the Gaon digital chart for 2013 you will see that the top 3 male idol digital songs were songs were from CN Blue, Shinee, and Exo. I was surprised myself Beast wasn't in the top 3 but that is what happened.

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  160. I knew it, whenever something good happens to Infinite it'll be thanks to Woollim, but if there's a problem like this(?) then it'll be SM's fault.

    Didn't Infinite won something at MAMA and people started saying it was because SM brought it for them?

    As I've seen Infinite is doing really well, with their world tour and now a new show, having less screen time on the Gayos is not the end of the world! and actually I don't see a problem with the Woohyun and Key unit.

    Some of these is really exaggeration, like I don't think SM could waste money on something like this.

    And seriously don't involve EXO in this, with or without Infinite in their way they're still really popular, and if SM wanted to put down Infinite to help EXO, then they would have done the same with for example Beast that became really popular even reaching SHINee's sales or other groups..

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  161. oh my lovely dear inspirit, don't drag shawol into your mess please

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  162. knew i couldnt trust those ilbe rats

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  163. SM poor management. DBSK, SUJU (they've great singer but give a trashy song), SNSD, Shinee and f(X). They have a big fandom but SM depend their fan too much. Just throw anything, their fan will but it. Yes for now but how long?

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  164. I knew it, if something good happens to Infinite it'll be thanks to Woollim but if there's something bad like this(?) then It'll be SM's fault.


    As i've seen, Infinite is doing really good with their world tour and now they have a new show, if they had less screen time on the Gayos it doesn't mean theend of the world, and actually I don't see a problem with the Woohyun and Key unit.


    These people are exagerating, I don't think SM could waste money on that and dind't Infinite won something at the MAMA's and people started saying it was because SM brought it for them?


    And seriously, don't involve EXO! they would have become really popular with or without Infinite on their way...and If SM really wanted to put Infinite down for EXO then they would have done the same with other boygroups, like with for example Beast that becme really popular even reaching SHINee's sales.

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  165. that was a funny and entertaining read. tbh, i'm not very knowledgeable about businesses. my only background is my family owning stores in some cities but i never partake in the management of any of those. and yet, even with my average knowledge of how mergers work what you wrote in that article has been what i'm telling anyone who would listen to me when they start complaining about the merger. imo, it's all very logical and simple idk how people keep on misunderstanding things tbh.

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  166. calm down, i know thats 6.25 meating right?
    let me said this again for you "there are always two different story but...up to you do you want to look the other opinion or refuse and believe what you wan to believe"
    this is why i show you JYJ bias site , you can find there are also the story about 6.25 meating (JYJ version who said your homin site cut some part and made like JYJ is the wrong one), my point is... again "there are always two different story unless you also there on that meating" but the question is are you there? everyone who talk about this meating just read and heard from their bias site and this is what they got.. bias opinion. above, you talk about jyj contract from homin/sm bias site and here i show you the one from jyj bias site, i make you stupid or ....?

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  167. All groups work very hard. Not just infinite

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  168. I said this would happen when the merger was announced. Infinite was Exo's main competition and was THE new group to beat before last year. Why else would SM buy out the label? To stop them from truly competing of course. When it comes down to it, why would they give the resources needed for Infinite to be bigger than Exo? Last year, when Exo was blowing up, I'm sure Infinite would have had a comeback with great promotions had they not been under SM's umbrella. When people talk about Exo's competition, no one even mentions Infinite anymore. That's how much they've pushed back their image with this merge. Instead they compare them with a group that has not even had a debut and one that just started this month. I know those comparisons are because of JYP and YG, but if Infinite were still going strong, their names would still be there.


    The concert was great, but it was just a cover for keeping them out of the spotlight. Now that EXO has grown so much while Infinite was being kept away (which I think was the plan), it doesn't matter if they come back now because it'll be hard to compete with them now. I'm not even a fan and I feel bad for them. This is why bad management decisions can really hurt a good group. I also thought the timing of L's scandal was really suspicious. The way it was handled was even more suspicious.

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  169. yeah no proof its just K ent music being coward not SM fault and Seoul Central District Court should never ask SM do something like this

    http://www.allkpop.com/article/2011/02/courts-order-sm-entertainment-to-pay-compensation-for-hindering-jyjs-activities#axzz2rVyBHbWq

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  170. sounds like a lot of conspiracy drama to me. Exaggerated coincidences.

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  171. Let me clear your confusion this is crap because L's dating scandal was released september 27, people seem to forget that Sulli and Choiza's was released September 26. This was when the government was trying to cover up the privitization thing.

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  172. Just look at this urself. If u still think she pushed Sunny then ur clearly in denial. http://cafe.daum.net/WorldcupLove/Knj/1549302?q=%BC%D2%B3%E0%BD%C3%B4%EB%20%C5%A9%B7%A1%BF%EB

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  173. Oh please, as much as I dislike EXO, Infinite never stood a chance as their competition. No one did.

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  174. i was more distracted by onew N cnu in the picture but i dont see anything... theyre all posing.its not a big deal but even if sunny herself come.forward and says she wasnt hit thy would.be all "ohh as expected.of Sunny, she was hit but its denying it so people stop blaming that crayon pop member. dont worry, we saw everything" and still blame crayon pop for making Sunny clarify evrything..

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  175. Inspirits don't like key, shawols were excited at first you know the 91 line duo but then inspirits started complaining "Why does Woohyun have to step down to his level" ans " SM stop sticking your untalented kids to us" Honestly I don't blame ShaWols for being pissed

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  176. Do you mind terribly elaborating on what you mean by privatization thing/

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  177. I saw the video, she didn't look she pushed her.


    These things are starting to feel more and more like fans of certain groups intentionally bringing down the image of other groups.


    They look they were all posing for a picture. They were all moving forward and cramped together to get in the shot. Even if she did bump into her (which from the video, it doesn't look like she did), the amount of attention this has gotten is ridiculous.


    Reminds me of Jia getting into a scandal for speeding through the airpart on a cart (sarcasm since it was going so slow even a baby crawling would pass it), yet Sunny riding on a cart at a concert got absolutely no coverage (at least internationally) whatsoever.

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  178. Of course they do actually. I remember at that time there are scandal article about kpop idol/artist and there a issue about korea privasitation. Most comment is about government issue and they try to upvote that comment. Not all Knetz are delulu fangirl/crazy fandom. But I heard also, whenever they're try bring a comment about issue government, got deleted? or manipulated.

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  179. Some of these fans need to really get a life though. They (some not all) seem to have a gang/pack mentality. Always trying to make an example of someone so that no one else messes with their boss (which is their bias). I really think most of these scandals are spread and confirmed by people just trying to bring another groups image down. If you have enough fans, you really can manipulate everything including forum comments since you have the numbers to drive the highest or lowest votes.

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  180. The fuck who cars ppl get pushed on a daily bases sooooooo ugh kpop learning how to fight back

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  181. Their president made a promise but she ended up breaking it and was trying to cover it up. Here this is a recent article

    http://www.koreabang.com/2013/stories/the-real-story-behind-the-railroad-privatization-controversy.html



    Workers and others are still protesting this can also mean a huge hike in train fare, if you go back and read the articles around the time all the scandals "suddenly" broke loose you would see k-netz were also talking about it and them trying to cover it up.

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  182. I've always had suspicions about SM, and I feel like they've probably been playing dirty with this merger, but I guess it's best to wait it out a bit more. As others have said, mergers don't happen over night.

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  183. I've seen the video and a bigger gif, and no that CP member did not push Sunny. It was just horrible timing where Sunny and TIffany moved in closer while that CP member put her hand up into a V. If you carefully watch you can see that CP member's hand was on her other members stomach while she was moving up.

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  184. whore...disband--- take care of your fav first...:)...one member left already, u should pay your time and effort to hope ur idol alive rather than focus con bashing Soshi...i know it sounds mean and rude, but you deserve it honey!!!...

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  185. I don't think that sm it's trying too sabotage infinite I think they are trying to rally people and inspirits behind themeven more. For example, when sjm was formed ELF panicked so much that they bought 1% of sm's stock which raised SM's stock and brought in more revenue. I feel like this whole thing is a tactic, sm has drawn a picture that infinite its the underdog that it's going to be crushed by the big guys even after their hard work. I don't know about anyone here but I am cheering for infinite and that its what SM wants, if infinite releases anything right now inspirites well try to buy as much as they can of that song so that SM will 'realize'how profitable infinite its even thought that it's exactly what SM wants people buying their artists stuff. It's is not neolibirism its is an oligopoly controlling the market

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  186. But your bias is showing though. How can riding a cart in public be the same as riding a cart in your own concert.? lol

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  187. After reading this I'm thinking is SM also behind B1A4's scandal?To destroy them because they become bigger like INFINITE and because the goes up against TVXQ this time. Who knows...

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  188. [+85, -3] I feel like SM is purposely putting INFINITE down... in case they get in the way of EXO's growth.



    I highly doubt that it's for EXO. INFINITE isn't a group to look down on. They are hella popular themselves.
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    okay this whole situation is confusing. If Tasty is still distributing through LOEN that would literally make no sense. Tasty would be distributed through whatever SM artists are distributed through. Sometimes it feels like it's a merger, other times it feels like it isn't

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  189. ^ This. Mergers usually take around six months minimum and typical is around nine months..

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  190. most likely not. It was fangirls who were constantly keep tracking of sales. Also when sajaegi typically happens, fangirls are the ones who bring notice.


    B1A4 aren't at the selling power of TVXQ yet so SM has no reason to worry about them

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  191. that's what it sounds like to me also...

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