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Sunday, March 10, 2013

Behind the scenes of music programs: singers wait in a single file line an hour after the show ends... why?


Article: Singers wait in a single file line at music program waiting rooms... why?

Source: Star Today via Nate

A familiar scene spreads out in the waiting rooms of popular music programs like 'M! Countdown', 'Music Bank', 'Music Core', and 'Inkigayo'. All 100 of the singers who participated in that day's show can be seen waiting in a single file line waiting for a special someone.

The person they're waiting for is none other than the program's PD. As the PD comes down to the waiting room, the singers all begin to bow down 90 degrees while select teams shout out their team name as loudly as possible along with their greeting as he passes by. The entire process takes about 30 minutes after the program ends.

Music programs normally begin at 8 a.m. with rehearsals and pre-recordings. Including the time it takes for the PD to receive all of his greetings, it takes up to 6-12 hours to complete one show. Considering that singers are only paid up to $400 USD per episode, it's a big loss when you take time into account.

One singer's manager said, "We understand having to wait until the end for music programs that give out trophies at the end since all of the singers are required to be on the stage, but even for programs without rankings, we all have to stay behind. The schedule doesn't officially end until you've greeted the PD. Unless you have a special excuse, singers mostly stay behind. Activities after the show are scheduled with the time it takes to greet the PDs in mind."

Greeting the PDs before you leave is a longtime tradition, and it's all in an effort to be viewed favorably by the man of most power. A manager said, "Only 15-20 teams are given the opportunity to perform on that week's music show so the competition is tough. We all try to get on the PD's good side as much as possible, which is why we wait to greet them until the end."

Singers don't have much of a problem with this tradition as they're used to it now, having done it like clockwork since their debut. But for singers who are now 10 years into their careers, opposing opinions are raised.

Singer 'A', who recently came back with a new album, said, "I see it as broadcast officials trying to impose their higher positions on us. It's great that there's a moment at the end to congratulate the singer who wins the #1 trophy, but is it necessary to have every single singer on stage with them? And is it really necessary to wait an hour after a show ends just for the PD to pass you by and receive your greeting? It's a waste of time."

Despite what A said, he/she was also spotted waiting in line after the show had ended due to his/her manager pleading with him/her to stay. A's manager said, "I can understand why singers would feel this way but for managers, it's different. We not only manage our current artists, but other artists as well, and there might come a day where we have to bring a rookie singer and ask a PD for a spot on a show. We don't want to get on the PD's bad side."

For singers, the line stops here, but for managers, there's an extra step they have to participate in. It's become tradition for the managers of singers who either won that week or had a comeback to treat the program's staff out to dinner at the group's own expense.

Although all of this may seem unnecessary, they say there's a reason for it all. "After the program ends, we all greet each other and exchange a few discussions about the show. We'll talk about what needs to be fixed or praise what was done well. We're all partners in creating this show so it's good to get used to each other's faces."

There are, however, some PDs that don't wait after the show for greetings or dinner celebrations.

One idol singer manager said, "Reality is that there aren't a lot of ways to promote rookie singers other than broadcast. Idol singers in particular rely entirely on stage performances to show what they're about so it's understandable that we're all desperate for a slot on the show. It's because of such reality that we're willing to sacrifice other schedules to greet the PD and get on his good side."

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"I had no idea that the singers all had to stand in a straight line, not moving at all just to greet the PD... What do they think this is, the army? This is a shock to me, actually..."

"I can't believe the money that singers sweat blood and tears for are being used to treat the PD and staff out to dinner... IU, TVXQ, TEEN TOP... They all have to pay for their dinners just for winning #1. That's ridiculous to me.."

"Seems like this is a must for rookies. I feel bad for them."

"I think this is going a bit too far... It's not like these shows do anything right. They're always screwing up camera angles, slaving the idols for Hallyu concerts, bringing up unnecessary chart competitions.."

"Ridiculous that they have to pay for the dinner of the entire show just because they won #1."

"The PD is basically king."

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148 comments:

  1. Lol maybe that's why B.A.P doesn't go to Mcountdown anymore?
    They have rarely been at the ending trophies thingy either acting phoney in the back....

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    1. secret didnt promote 'talk that' and youngjae&sunhwa didnt promote 'everything is pretty' on mcountdown. i think it's a TS thing.

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    2. TOP Media also had an issue with MCountdown

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    3. Same as for YG. They rarely promote...I think some companies can't tolarate Mcountdown's bullshittery

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  2. Yet, I bet some rookie groups would be glad to give up that $400 to buy the PD and staff dinner....

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  3. Woahh. All this dirty stuffs Im hearing in the music industry... I bet this is nothing compared to far more worse things being done that I seriously dont wanna know. But its seriously ridiculous of having to wait for hours just to greet someone?!? Seriously even I dont greet the principal if Ive passed by them in the school. Lolol!

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  4. The point is that they shouldn't have to

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  5. can anyone summarize it for me? lazy to read this long article. lol

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  6. Some people who couldn't manage to debut or didn't want to, speak about all of this shit.
    How many of the people seem cut and angelic actually have sex all over, smoke, using drugs, ill actions between groups.

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      You sound like the village fool!

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  7. PDs think they're fucking hot bitches who deserve that artist wait an hour in line after broadcast to greet him. They're paid 400$USD per episode yet they have to do this shit for his almighty self.
    When they win #1, you better invite them for lunch.

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  8. Lining up in hallway waiting for PD-nim to come down does sound like a soldier waiting for the general to get out from the car.
    The $400 they earn will be gone to pay staff expenses, and that's not including the meal when they win #1. With a group >5 member I don't think $400 is even enough to cover their expenses. My question is when Music Bank have a show oversea, who paid the tickets? Do they pay the tickets for the member only or they also pay the tickets for staff too?

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  9. Suddenly all the famous groups and bands whose not going to the shows make so much sense...

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  10. Now im kind of glad, that yg artist perform only on inkigayo...

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  11. Does this mean all those times PSY won, they didn't get their dinner paid for?

    I like manners, respect and tradition but this doesn't sound right, like why do they have to thank the PD for doing his job? It reminds me of the politician who was treated by bankers to dinner and such to gain favour off of him. Its basically admitting that the PD/music company staff is taking advantage of their power of choice to gain extra perks from the idol/singers desperation. Its polite to thank the staff but why do they have to make a ceremony out of it, why not thank them by personally going up them during a break in filming?


    The life of 'idols' just gets sadder the more you hear about it.

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  12. oh fck, thanks for the info. but I ended up reading it. lol

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  13. ...and in that 1 hour wait, idols get to meet and date each other ;)

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  14. This is ridiculous. These people have no respect for other people's time. Who the hell does the PD thinks he is? Korean companies need to go back to the drawing board and figure out a way to make their groups hot without relying entirely on these shows.




    You're not even being paid like that and you have to feed him and e'rebody else too........oh hell naw......This is what Diddy calls bitchassness.

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  15. PDs, eat your fckin $400!

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  16. Simple. You don't want to play their game, then don't go on their playground. If the singers think that they're above doing that kind of stuff, well, they always have the option not to appear on these shows. In an industry where there are literally hundreds of idols wanting to appear on these shows and get some exposure, isn't kissing up to these PDs a small price to pay? Just think how many failed idols would have jumped at the chance to even set foot inside the broadcast area of these shows.

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  17. Just because people do it doesn't mean it should happen.

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  18. What a fucking joke lol. Waiting so long after so many hours already just to inflate someone's ego. And paying for dinner.....rme.

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  19. This kind of logic is what will keep the industry shitty....

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  20. The PD is running the show. They don't like it, they always have the option of walking away.

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  21. Yes, it makes sense now why the known group only promote for a month only. They are losing money and sleep because of this weekend music show.

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  22. So they all walk away and then there is no show.

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  23. But not greeting someone is rude, what's the big deal? The PD works hard too and has to stay back for the same time to be greeted as well. Is half an hour really too hard for the singers when the PD manages it too?

    there's a limited number of spots on a show that get filled by the PDs choice, they need to make a good impression. It's not their fault there are way too many rookies competing, it's a competitive job to begin with and sometimes you just have to make nice with the right people for the sake of your career.

    As for the dinner... Probably not the fairest for rookies, but like they said, they discuss what to improve etc and generally if you're winning shows you're making money anyway.

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  24. The entertainment industry has always, ALWAYS been shitty since the ancient Roman times. Why put all the blame on the people running the show? How about putting some of the responsibility to singers and managers to say "We don't like how this is run, we won't be appearing on this show again." But of course they won't do that because they desperately need that appearance.

    They think their idols are being inconvenienced? Then they should grow a backbone and not bring their idols their again. PDs won't be able to go on their power trips if the idols aren't there. But as long as companies depend so much on these shows to promote their idols, it will just keep on going and going.

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  25. Not necessarily. YG could've paid for dinner to have slots opened for their future rookies someday or to put in a good word for Psy to other PDs. While Gangnam Style is a success, Psy does have a checkered past so not all PDs may want to work with him.


    This article is a bit fair, considering it doesn't even mention seedier rumors like sexual favors.

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  26. And that will be on the PD because of how he ran his show. But it's not the PDs responsibility to promote these hundreds of hundreds of idols.

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  27. That shit is ridiculous. I don't blame the more famous groups for not going to all those shows.

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  28. Dude...use a different Ren username or something.

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  29. Except it kind of is since that's what the show is about, showing off new music and rewarding the popular artist/song at the time.

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  30. i get that if newbie does that, to introduce themselves
    but even older singer have to lick PD's shoes?? singer is no easy job in korea

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  31. Wow yeah I got the point............thanks anyway >.>

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  32. Why put the blame on the people running the show?? Are you serious rn. Yes, why put them blame on the ones who make the rules, instead let's put all the responsibility on those who aren't in power. How many people in any situation could simply walk off when they stand to lose their job if they do? Very few. PDs and others clearly have too much influence over who rises and who falls when it shouldn't be that way.

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  33. There's a problem with disqus that makes usernames look like other usernames... I am not using the name ren. But you don't own it wtf i could use whatever name i wanted

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  34. You don't seem to realize that they don't have the option of walking away. Especially rookie groups don't have that luxury. Life isn't so easy as you seem to think.

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  35. thank god the biggest groups dont to all the shows!!!!!!!

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  36. kbs pd must have missed a ton of dinners when psy kept winning...

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  37. Ah I see what you mean.

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  38. Anisa Fahrina AmaliaMarch 10, 2013 at 3:10 PM

    airplane ticket? sponsor of course. well so far i know, all kpop show/concert overseas are paid from the show tickets and merchandises, and the promoter get some fees from sponsors too. eg: almost all kpop concerts in my country uses my goverment airplane. it's bcs the promoter made a MoU with them, indirectly they promote that airplane.

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  39. Not to mention the past couple years of no YGE artists/groups showing up. LOL.

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  40. Which biggest groups you mean?
    TVXQ, SJ and SNSD go to all these four music shows.

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  41. Korea is the most advanced 3rd world country. All the glitz, but backward ideas, archaic laws, nepotism, favoritism, oppresesion, ineqaulity, materialism, anti-individualism and so on and so on.


    When is enough, enough. This poor kids pay through the nose for "training" if they are lucky they get to debut with a shitty contract, get overworked, kiss ass to all those in power, get loaned out to "sponsors", don't get paid what they should and they are expected to do it all while smiling like mindless puppets.


    The GAME is rigged!

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  42. i think TVXQ dont do all of these !!!! music shows

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  43. You sound ignorant about the music industry. It's not better in other countries

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  44. SM groups are well known to be polite, im sure they greet better than most rookies.

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  45. Whats the point of 4 weekly music shows if its all going to be the same people doing the same thing over and over again, especially the pointless trophies they give out?

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  46. All countries have flaws ingrained in their culture, not just Korea.

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  47. Yeah aside from all their shit, i give them that.
    They are polite and kind to others and take care of rookies and juniors .

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  48. I wonder if IU has to pay. Since she is the MC of the show. Hmm.. Anyone know?

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  49. I saw them attending the four of them if I'm not mistaken when they were promoting, unless they had some other activities.

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  50. Wow if you think this is dirty, were lucky the pd isn't asking for sexual favors instead

    And yeah the principle isn't basically your boss, ofc you don't need to greet them...

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  51. They do, which is stupid imo i don't think they should bother. It's stupid they bother with korean promos at all when they have Japan

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  52. "Ridiculous that they have to pay for the dinner of the entire show just because they won #1."

    Then I would prefer my favourite bands not to win #1.. oô

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  53. The only way that would have any impact is if they everyone did it together but the system is such that all companies and groups are competing with each other for a spot and now the system is saturated it decreases the worth of each group. So if a large portion 'defect' from the system a small portion might not and they gain the positions the defectors left open and reap the benefits.
    The defectors are then left in a situation where they get blacklisted as word gets around of their defection PDs and those with 'picking power' no longer invite them on their shows and close of avenues of exposure, promotion and possible revenue for that group and favour those that did not defect. The group's company wants to avoid that at all costs and so push the artists and managers to be amiable to these stipulations to gain favour since the loss is too great. SBS, KBS and MBC are 3 large broadcasting channels and to the music shows are interconnected with them, its not just walking away from a music show its walking away from a big portion of what your job relies on to work- a platform to perform on. If they walk out they'll just be in the same boat as indie artists if not worse.

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  54. kpopwillneverstopMarch 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM

    It's sad that before I read this article, I automatically knew it was gonna be the PD. At first, I thought about an American artist, but as the article was naming all of those music shows and sounded as if it oftenly happens, the PD popped up into my mind.


    That kinda sucks because how do you divide $400 between a group and its staff? You can't unless you'd be fine with pocket change :/

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  55. double edge sword kind of situation... if the groups who win don't treat them out, they'll get back lashed for being stingy etc etc... tsk

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  56. This is such a mess; The shady business behind the scenes is such a joke yet the reality of the situation if the Idols did back down from this is that You would have stingy journalist and a bad name in the music industry. It's sad to see what idols have to go through all to live out their dream. :(

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  57. i feel like mnet is the main instigator bc there are so many groups that have/had problems with them: super junior, bap, teen top, etc

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  58. oh i guess i was wrong.....i dont think they should do all of them!!! not just TVXQ the other top groups too !! is not fair for them !!! look bigbang just di inkigayo and do 1 or 2 special performance on music countdown!

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  59. so? does that mean no one should aim for something better.

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  60. relevance? if everyone is bad, should we all stop trying to be good?

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  61. I would pay 400$'s to meet my favourite idol, and invite them for food that I pay...

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  62. it means you shouldnt call them a third world country and shit on korea like its the worst thing in the world. and ofc they should aim for better but i bet you dont give a shit about hollywood aiming for better, or do you think idols being 'mindless puppets' are worse than all the pedophilia that happens there?

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  63. life of idols isn't smooth, kids.

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  64. so at first it was a respect thing, then their power got so big that it's now about kissing ass. smh.

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  65. but YG dont have good relationship with KBS, it just since Gangnam style booming YG and KBS start to build their relation again

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  66. umm, to be fair...from the article...the PD side isn't even mentioned, it's the managers who feel the need to get on PD's good side, n sucking up to them...

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  67. lol Korea is a developed country. kthx. just because you don't agree with their cultural norms and mores does not make them third world. a lot of the negatives you listed can be applied to any country that has ever existed.

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  68. i don't even know why the PDs are being blamed if you're reading this article...it mostly talk about managers worried of not being on PDs good side with their singers...but it never said the PDs required all singers to wait for them. the managers just feel the need to play safe in case the PDs take offense if there's no greetings...but from reading it...i don't see anything from the PDs side talked about...they're just scared of breaking the tradition n see what happens cuz a lot is at stake.

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  69. Now I totally get why big name artists who sell well don't promote on music shows lately. Leessang doesn't show up at all. Lee Seungi didn't promote recently either. There's really no point in doing the shows if you're already popular and sell well. I've noticed that there's been fewer repackage albums from the big names too. Groups just wrapping up their promotions after 3-4 weeks. 6-12 hour days for four music shows a week in addition to doing variety shows, radio shows, rehearsals and other schedules is just ridiculous.

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  70. you're assuming so much from what little is being said by others.

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  71. wtf? and I bet their scream stuff like: hail the PD(s) too, right?! too much ass kissing... and $400 per episode?? excluding how difficult must be wasting a whole day -when, say you could be attending an event or in a photoshoot- the outfits, make up, hair stylist, transportation, etc. is obviously more than $400... I always supported YG's decision to only perform in inkigayo to give the artists some rest but now with all that ass kissing its even more understandable... poor groups who have to go thru all that.. i wont see music programs the same way anymore.. :(

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  72. If you read carefully this all all started because managers were the ones bribing the PD's not the PD's they are not told to give people who treat them extra treatment or to take staff out managers do it to be on the better side.

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  73. 400 dollars for the entire staff which is ALLOT of people

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  74. I'm not suprised I already knew about the staff paying and sucking up because my cousin has friends who works in M countdown and Inki and she says they told them that being able to get fed after their hard work is the best part of there jobs.
    Since staff get to relax and *gossip*


    It's true groups/companies that don't want to bribe the PD's don't go on the line up.
    As for the paying it just became tradition in the idol world $400 isn't much for all the air time you get for winning.

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  75. I WANT TO BE A PD so I can expose this conspiracy.
    This just sucks. Is there no law about this?

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  76. See that's the point. YG stood their ground and despite the rumblings, YG groups are still at the top of the food chain. If everyone just stands up to the bullies in Korean entertainment, things will be better for everyone. But, no one wants to stick their neck out, call the bluff of the PDs, station mangers, entertainment companies etc. So nothing changes year after year, while everyone is miserable behind the scenes.

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  77. True, there isn't a balanced perspective being presented but
    it doesn't say the PDs and such are telling them not to do it, which is like approval by not disapproving and in its own way encouraging it by not putting a stop to it. If they didn't want the managers to pay for their food they could tell them and tell them their not getting any favours from it but that doesn't seem to be the case.
    The impression is, its spiraled from the tradition of treating your boss/the organizer/elder etc. with respect which is fine but now their treating them when they win because they think/know they'll get a benefit if they do which implies that the PD etc, like the staff doing that and are encouraging it by giving those that pay for them/ wait and thank them advantages that can be interpreted that those that don't do it have been penalized in some way which is why managers and company feel the pressure to keep up the ceremony and what not. If they weren't getting favour out of it then would they waste the precious time and money. I get liking getting appreciation for the job but its starting to sound like its expected from both sides.

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  78. Off topic and tangential. We are talking about A, you are arguing about B. Seriously, debate needs to be reintroduced into the curriculum. Why do you assume I care or do not care about Hollywood? And further more, Pedophilia? That's where you are drawing your comparison from.


    Who says I am not on some Hollywood forum saying Hollywood needs to do better. Since I am here and this issue is another black stain on the Korean entertainment industry, I am simply pointing out the myriad of issues that plague the industry.



    Calling Korea a 3rd World Country is obviously not literal, it is used as figure of speech, an exaggeration really, to highlight my distaste with the current system.

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  79. now we know where the broadcast points come from

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  80. So the staff etc. expect and look forward to this. Even if its the companies that started it its still not being rejected by the staff so that's encouraging it even if the reality is the companies/groups won't gain any favour the PD and staff are still taking the thank yous and the food put out in this ritual way rather than letting the groups management know that they don't have to do it?
    If they know they don't get much from doing this since the groups that don't want to bribe don't go then why do they do it?

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  81. Why should there be anything at stake if the PD's don't mind if they don't get thanked or fed?

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  82. Yep I wouldn't bother if I was YG. Kind of sucks though. I want to see some of their artists on the shows.

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  83. For a group that would hardly cover all of the expenses for the hair stylists and makeup people.

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  84. 'backward ideas, archaic laws, nepotism, favoritism, oppresesion, ineqaulity, materialism'
    Do you follow politics in America at all? Looks like the US is also a 3rd world country, kids....

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  85. That's how it goes. Think of it as investment for the promotion period. TV exposure really makes a difference so they're willing to go with that measly fee. The show goes on every week and if they paid every artist their asked talent fee, the cost would be more than the profit and therefore close down. Then the idols will have to fend for themselves.

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  86. the point is that there's more freedom to oppose these problems, which brings about a greater chance of these issues being corrected. And if you compare inequality, social mobility, legal systems, corruption etc. Korea is still far behind.

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  87. some more so than others, which is why Korea's backwardness still needs to be called out. Same goes to those Middle East nations that built their countries off of oil money and loans; essentially despotism disguised by first world wealth

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  88. every measure of 'backward ideas, archaic laws, nepotism, favoritism, oppresesion, ineqaulity, materialism' happens on a continuum. Every country has them but the extent to which they occur are very different. Stop saying that because it happens everywhere else, its not fair to call Korea out on these issues. Since this is a forum regarding issues in Korean entertainment, these opinions are completely relevant. The idea of 'developed' in the original comment is used to refer to the extent of cultural progress and keeping up with modern notions of morality. No one is debating how economically developed Korea is. TLDR Economic development =/= societal progress.

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  89. Singers really need to unionize.

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  90. There must be so many idols sleeping with PDs behind the scenes.

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  91. ooooooooooooooo. maybe THAT'S the reason....

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  92. Different broadcasting companies wanting ratings.

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  93. That just shows how brutal and harsh the entertainment industry can be.

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  94. well no shit. economic development =/= societal progress which was exactly my point kthx

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  95. I agree with that but I don't understand why people are making the PD's look like the bad guys.
    The whole tradition was started by managers who wanted there idols to get better treatment on screen. That over time just like other perspectives of kpop people kept doing the same that it became tradition but in no way is it must.


    I could see why people would get mad over that but I don't get why they would be mad at the whole $400 dollar thing.
    Majority of the groups/idols who win the music shows are successful musically all they end up losing is what they made on the show, at the end of the day the money is going to the people who helped them have the great performance they did so why get mad?

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  96. No, I'm pretty sure YG's decision to only perform on Inki has nothing to do with just giving his artists rest. It's pretty well known that he has/had a poor relationship with at least KBS/MuBank, and that YG has a good relationship with SBS (look for articles, there are plenty even going so far as to accuse SBS of bias). This is basically the same as what's being said here - you form good relationships with the people higher up, you'll get treated better.


    Not like it's a surprise though, networking is important in almost every field.

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  97. but dont you think maybe his problems with KBS were/are because of things like these?? them abusing the power they have over artists/idols/singers wanting them to kiss asses? a great example of abuse would be what happened with MBC and the idol athletic championships where they spent a day filming without being able to leave and then banning those who left or editing half of the idols later... maybe SBS managed to build a good relationship with YG because theyre a bit more understanding, treat artists a bit better and/or they simply negotiated and found a middle ground while KBS didnt want... and all channels are biased in some form... from music programs to who wins what in awards ceremonies... even media outlets are biased -sadly- so just accusing sbs for that is kinda wrong.

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  98. exactly! if no one dares to stop all that ass kisssing then theyll feel more and more powerful... the sad truth is that everyone is always waiting for someone else to do it...

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  99. Thing is, all the problems that you mentioned in your first comment aren't exclusively Korea's. Singling out Korea and saying shit like 3rd world country does make you sound ignorant *shrugs*

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  100. when you judge every aspect of a foreign culture as their 'norm' then there's no room for criticism or cross-cultural comparison or even any discussion on societal progress/ what progress means in the first place. How convenient; you were simply evading the real issue. There are common modern standards of what is good, what is fair and what is just. Those things are up for debate in philosophy but there are standards nonetheless. Korea simply has a long way to go by those standards and insisting on traditionalism when there isn't a need to can hold them back. There's a need for many countries to relook at their cultures and address the problematic parts and retain the good parts, and that's what korea has to do too.

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  101. no one has insinuated that its ONLY korea's problem. Just that it's Korea's problem and they have to address it, that's all. the fact that S.Korea is just one of many examples out there, doesn't mean its unfair to say that it has those issues to deal with.

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  102. you can never be sure if the PD hasn't asked for sexual favors yet ....

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  103. I think IU has to pay when her song win No 1.

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  104. I agree with you but the whole gist of my first comment was me correcting the OP when he/she called s.korea a third world country because it was just factually incorrect.

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  105. Korea is actually a first world country...

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  106. well, it wasn't meant to be interpreted in a literal way, it's just saying that some aspects of Korean society is still very backwards, nothing much to do with factual definitions.

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  107. this is figurative language for goodness sake...

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  108. It's not. He made a statement (you can look it up) where he said he thought they were being unfairly treated by KBS because the other programs were gonna let BB perform 3 songs for their comeback while KBS was only going to let them do one song = which means that if they agreed to his terms, he would have let them perform on MuBank.

    I don't disagree with you on the point that broadcasting companies have a lot of power and they often abuse it. I just disagree with everybody who thinks that YG is "above it all" or trying to right some wrong - he's not, he's the same as everybody else. He simply has good relationships with some companies (ie SBS, it's pretty common knowledge - just look it up), and not so great ones with others, and that dictates who he chooses to put his artists on.

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  109. now i understand why when i watch super junior star life theater, they did their first recording at musicbank, when they were leeteuk was leaving there was a line of idols greeting goodbye.
    but the question is does popular idols that have already debut for more than 5years like tvxq, super junior and big bang have to do that?? if it's for rookie i understand. they have to show the pd who they are. but for others it's a waste of time. i think big bang prolly wont have a problem since they only promote at inkigayo and their ceo is good friend with sbs.

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  110. A's manager said, "I can understand why singers would feel this way but for managers, it's different. We not only manage our current artists, but other artists as well, and there might come a day where we have to bring a rookie singer and ask a PD for a spot on a show. We don't want to get on the PD's bad side."

    I now know why some hoobaes will thank their seniors by saying, "we thank the seniors a lot for helping to make a good path for us"

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  111. Actually I think KBS has got alot of problems with many different groups. One distinctively group is JYJ. Why? Bcuz KBS has a good relationship with SM.

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  112. Yes, they're polite. Can you imagine they still have to be subjected to the queueing and hailing?

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  113. I have read fanaccounts before not once but few times that SNSD sometimes leave right after their perf

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  114. the promotor with GA? MoU?
    GA has code share with KE. If you choose/buy GA and wants afternoon flight from seoul to jkt, you'll get KE. If you choose/buy KE and wants morning flight, you'll get GA. I dont see it as MoU. Suju and Teentop using KE tho when comes to jkt yesterday.

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  115. Anisa Fahrina AmaliaMarch 11, 2013 at 4:11 AM

    well I think they had an MoU. at least the promoter got some discount from GA or/and GA got some benefits (inderictly promotions, free tickets, etc, idk anymore). from my experiences (SS4), some GA staffs got free tickets but they can't watched it, so their friends and family took their tickets.

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  116. OMG teen top don't win! let SHINee keep winning. i don't want u to have to spend ur money

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  117. no yg is banned from kbs music shows because gd said that sulli is cute on broadcast or something like that its very confusing,

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  118. ha and then they say idols win their money easily

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  119. Well that's not biased whatsoever...

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  120. that is called invitees

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  121. because it's stated that this has been a longtime tradition...it's also stated that some PDs don't even wait to accept the greetings...meaning not all the PDs cared about it....but then again think of it however you ppl want to...i'm just trying to give an unbiased view but on this site...ppl get pisssed over everything when you're not agreeing with majority. lol.

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  122. i'm sorry but...Korea is not a third-world country.

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  123. oh! yes now i know why TVXQ never went to M.countdown when they promoting for Catch me even though they could have won a trophy there but they simply choose not to and all fans find it weird but we couldn't find an explanation for it now i see why

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  124. Yeah life as a celeb isn't fun at all....and yes I mean all celebs it means all around the world.Yet, I'm still having delusion what happy life they have.. :p

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  125. but mubank is broadcasting in 72 countries.

    and this didnt mention about how rookies 'should' waited in line too when their sunbae leaves the studio/building to greetings and giving them 90dgre bow.

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  126. Sounds more like black mailing for a win then being treated to dinner for black mailing them.

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  127. I think I'd actually rather be a korean gamer than an idol

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  128. This is really awful it seems to me this PD has a really big self-esteem WOW I really can stand it. How can rookies resist to this ? I didn't love these shows but now even more hate them. Did he think he is the King ? It's awfull ! Grrr

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  129. Reality is crueler than it seems...

    Especially in this kind of business.

    your oppars/unniers may look happy outside,

    but probably they suffer inside because of this kind of seniority

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  130. I don't even understand why they have to "treat" the PD. A group's win SHOULD be due to the fans' buying their albums + public recognition..This just shows that winning on music shows is a result of bribing the PDs.. ugh this is so wrong

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  131. 72 countries where most people don't watch it

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  132. well PDs are normally the Kings in entertainment not just in Korea

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  133. lol, and you think if they only broadcasting in korea then all of people in republic of korea will watch?


    at least there is kpopers in 72 countries watch mubank.

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  134. BEST EFFING COMMENT EVER. There is only so much people can fall back on cultural relativism before it's clear that there's something inherently wrong with another country's social/cultural practices.

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  135. Hyperboles, apparently, do not come across well on the internet.

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  136. That's just shady as fuck. Giving one man that much power is just asking for trouble.

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  137. actually they were banned because of the 2011 controversy where kbs offered big bang 1 song to sing for their comeback while rookies received 2 songs and other popular artists like tvxq received 3...kbs are just biased and yg was like no fk u ;/ and kbs just ya know...said fk u back and voila here we are

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  138. Hmm or maybe it was because he didn't appear on 2fm in 2009...

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  139. you are obviously a kpoopper so I will not waste time trying to be logical.

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