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Monday, February 25, 2013

[Telzone] Changtoria

I didn't end up finding the original Pann posts... which I wanted to find over Telzone/Bestiz posts like this because I wanted to see what the best replies were. Here it is anyway.

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Telzone: Victoria and Changmin, they definitely aren't just a normal relationship





Same cell phone chains.


Rumors about the two possibly dating date back as far as May 2011. (TN: The text is a bit blurry but the post basically says she heard from a friend in SM that Victoria and Changmin are dating, "isn't it shocking?")


K-Netizens thought it was suspicious how he even knew Victoria's sleeping habits.


Victoria and TVXQ on the same plane. Next to Victoria, you can see Changmin's bag and Yunho's shoes.






Victoria promoting TVXQ.


Victoria at a concert with Changmin and Kyuhyun.


Victoria "suddenly appears" when it's time to hold hands.



"Victoria's caller ring is 'She'. I found it while watching We Got Married!! It only played for about a second but I knew right away ㅋㅋㅋ I'm proud of myself. Victoria unni, I love you!"

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"I'm more scared of the person who found all this. Looks like stars really don't have any private lives."

"Wouldn't it be safe to say they're dating at this point?"

"I'm really jealous she gets to sit next to them on the plane."

"I think they match each other... They're both nice and work hard."

"This is kind of scary... But let's congratulate them!! They're both adults and they're both very respectful celebrities so who cares if they're really dating!"

"They match.. They're both nice and I think they kind of resemble each other look wise too. I hope they can depend on each other in the competitive industry and have a happy love."

"I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."

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136 comments:

  1. Looks like they are holding hands in the second photo. This is so adorable..

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  2. Netizens... are so damn good at their jobs... I'm so impressed.

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  3. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mewzM6vjQZM/USw3xm0UNbI/AAAAAAAAafE/kIIAQnSVcLs/s400/01.jpg what am I supposed to see here ._.

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  4. Wow, this is legit. Now I'm believing this so-called rumor.

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  5. I ship this. Along with HyoSung/Kikwang.

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  6. I don't get the last one..

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  7. I have the same shirt from Madewell. This means Changmin is dating me, not Victoria!!!!! :p

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  8. lol some of these evidence i've seen during wgm days. anyways, some of these things, changtoria fans all over the world (not just knetizens) found....hence the english subs etc but regardless of their relationship status, let's just appreciate their friendship

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  9. "I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."

    i think victoria korean language must be improve now... don't she..?

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  10. but seriously kyutoria also like this. have same stuffs, borrow each others' stuffs etc '-' i'm an elf and f(x) fans ofc i know it.
    changmin/victoria/kyuhyun's relationship is confusing :|

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  11. im wondering too.. i cant see anything...

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  12. Isn't Vic close with Kyu and ChangMin as well? She can't date both at the same time right? Can you post about Kyutoria evidences too?
    Thanks

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  13. the fans who discovered all of these evidences should be hired as CIA..their ability to hunt and find the evidences is seriously daebaaak!!

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  14. "I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."

    NGL I thought the same thing but didn't want to be rude to Vic. Is she even fluent? The last I heard her speak Korean which is WGM, she honestly sounded like a second grader. :/

    I thought Changmin would want someone he can at least have a deep convo with, being kind of thinker that he seems to be

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  15. is there any kyutoria stuff on telzone etc?

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  16. I think they mean because she is not fluent in Korean.

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  17. I thought he was a deep thinker too... but then i watched moonlight prince. oh good lord, the man is as mature as a 15 year old. BOOBS!

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  18. "I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."







    I think this is kinda of ignorant :'(
    I'm pretty sure Victoria's korean is muchhhh better now...


    and for example, my friends parents speak two entirely different languages...
    They only communicate in english, and they're barely understandable to meeee.


    It doesn't mean two people can't be together o:

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  19. I think I'm more scared for her safety than anything at the moment :| (scary fans are scary)

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    1. Especially the cp fans , and the one actually do the stalking....etc

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  20. Do netizens have a life? like seriously, i'm impressed lol
    i will approve them if it's true :D

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  21. bravo knetizens.

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  22. Lol, in the background Vic and Changmin are standing next to each other. XD

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  23. LOL

    Call me crazy but this is exactly the reason why I DON'T think he is dating. He is definitely NOT getting any (if you know what I mean)

    Lord. I should get a new hobby.

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  24. From all the Sm couples that K-netizen are exposing, they still have not noticed the most obvious one: Yoona and Donghae. These two were definitely dating, but it seem like they broke up this year.

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  25. Not only Victoria promtoed tvxq, so does exo, amber, sj(?)..

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  26. There are something's you don't need to talk for?

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  27. jfc we're not in 2010 anymore, of course she's speaking way better now

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  28. Is that Eunhyuk and BoA on the paino?

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  29. Although tbh he should've just bought her something from JCrew lol, JCrew have men's clothes too so it wouldn't have been as obvious. Madewell only has lady's clothes.

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  30. I thought I saw these like a few years ago in a sasaeng fan blog. Wow, now they just revealed all like that? That's cool.

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  31. Changmin wrote in one of his thanks to, something like 'victoria, who's better at korean than me' so he must think her korean is pretty good, they must'nt have any trouble communicating. Plus his chinese pronunciation is getting pretty good, maybe they help each other out

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  32. I think they're pointing out that Max and Vic are standing next to each other inside the blue circle :P

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  33. It's actually a video, I saw it before. In the video, it's quite obvious that Vic and Changmin (Vic, especially) stood far from their groups.

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  34. only international fans believe in yoonhae. Nobody cares about Yoonhae in Korea cause LeeSeungixYoona and TaecyeonxYoona is greater and more loved in Korea.

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  35. nichkhun and tiffany seem more likely than this

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  36. It's a freaking scripted variety show, no one is their true selves on variety shows, no need to judge his character on 3 episodes of a show

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  37. This is scary shiznit. >__> When fans are dedicated they can make anyone look like they are dating

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  38. lol i think he must have been sarcastic/joking with her.
    as in, "your korean is getting better" or "your korean is cute because it isn't that good" sort of thing

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  39. It could be that Vic isnt putting out.

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  40. couple suitcase? is that really such a thing??

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  41. omg... this is getting interesting! lol
    changtoria and kyutoria rumors are very popular among their fans!!
    can you make another telzone for Kyutoria?
    I see many kyutoria moments too!!
    omg... kyutoria vs chantoria lol xDDD

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  42. lol at sm idols all fucking each other. it must get so awkward after break ups. you still gotta prance around during smtown concerts acting like you're all family

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  43. Wonder how long it will take for this fangirl acceptance to turn into hate. lol

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  44. Knetizens should've become detectives and I assure that the crime rate in Korea would go down drastically. Hahaha

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  45. Lol. Shippers are all the same, if you look at other pairing as well, like kyutoria taeteuk etc. Even some int.fans good at this kind of things too. It's not what so called CIA ability, it's kind of obsession i think. Are they know mostly what idols/actors wear are from sponsors?? I saw junhyung and yuri wore exactly the same sweater couple years ago, is that make them a couple? No, I'm not butthurt, i'm trying to be rational. I've seen other pairings that so called proofs, they're just the same. Well, but people believe what they want to believe. But i find it confusing XD

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  46. yeah... I don't really know about changtoria much until this article appear.
    but I have watched kyutoria fancam etc. which makes me think they are more than just friend... but.. I don't know... xDD

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  47. a way to confirm sm dating rumors -> sm denied it.

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  48. Well good for her, then. I'd cave in a second.

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  49. So............ Let me get this straight....

    Victoria dated Changmin when she did WGM with Nichkhun...
    Nichkhun dated Tiffany when he did WGM with Victoria,...

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  50. dude chill.

    it's not the same thing, though. speaking fluently and speaking deeply/philosophically (the way changmin speaks) are two different things is what i meant.

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  51. "This is kind of scary... But let's congratulate them!! They're both adults and they're both very respectful celebrities so who cares if they're really dating!"

    Lets just be grateful that Changmin has someone to feed him, and Victoria has someone who can keep up with her :3

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  52. well, maybe for a month or two but seriously to go years without having a deep conversation with your bf is a little superficial, isn't it?

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  53. Yoona is now rumored to be in 'getting to know each other better' phase with cnblue jonghyun

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  54. Changmin said in his thanks to: "Victoria, who speaks better Korean than me" so I think she improved a lot

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  55. haha

    i thought Anon meant Vic was a song on KYHD.

    thanks.

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  56. On a side note, I love Madewell. Their clothes are nice, this guy knows how to shop for girls~

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  57. "I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."


    She has lived in Korea for years, she works in an industry which forces her to use Korean everyday, her managers forbid (forbade? not sure if they still do it) her to use Chinese with Amber on a daily basis, the list goes on.


    Korean isn't that difficult you know, I'm sure she can speak Korean fluently by now. Maybe her pronunciation is weird, but considering that Korean isn't -that- different from Chinese the way Greek is different Chinese, I really believe that she's capable of holding deeper conversations than most people give her credit for.

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  58. Vic is just trying to hide the real couple ------>changkyu hahaha

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  59. same here... lol... also, does any of u hv ever heard about the couple necklaces tht dearest (a kyutoria fansite) gave to them??

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  60. not surprised... but just thinking how awkward it must've been for victoria and nickhun to be on wgm when they were both dating someone else. LOL.

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  61. yeah, it's my favorite us store.

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  62. And a way to deny sm dating rumors-> sm confirms it (referring to that fake relationship between Shin Se Kyung and Jonghyun).

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  63. And now for revenge tiffany and changmin should pairup for wgm

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  64. Maybe they both did WGM to throw off suspicion...

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  65. I FULLY SUPPORT THIS COUPLE! now get married and have pretty babies I can spazz over :P

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  66. oh he was obviously exaggerating, but in a nice way to be cute to her. it's probably an inside joke

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  67. IA. And Changmin himself promoted in a Japan for years without
    mastery of the language. Maybe that shared experience helped them to
    bond.

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  68. wouldn't it make it easier? they both knew it wouldn't lead to anything, so they could perform comfortably.

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  69. "I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."



    vic speaks good korean. and it's because of her superb tutoring that changmin did such a great job with "ting hai" in hong kong. his mandarin pronunciation, intonation was spot-on.

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  70. I would date him he's tall and hot and she's hit the man candy jackpot tbh get it gurl <3

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  71. LOL i dont know how they are going to pull it off with straight faces though. tiffany and changmin are good friends off stage; she was one of a handful of snsd girls he thanked in the "catch me" album

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  72. the irony is that he's actually a very intelligent learned man, with a purportedly high IQ. but for the sake of pushing up the laugh factor of the variety show, the script made him seem so "light"

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  73. chang-kyu-toria, what if actually victoria is part of kyuline? :o

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  74. woooooooooooo congrats changmin ;p

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  75. How in the world is that kind of thinking ignorant?? They're just stating what they think is the truth. Hell, I've been living in Korea 4x longer than she has, can speak completely unaccented Korean... and I still have trouble expressing everything I really want to say. Even if she's "muchhh better now", there would most definitely still be communication issues.

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  76. It's the fact of how they think two people can't be together because of communication issues.
    THAT, is ignorant.


    and it isn't a truth. It's their opinion.


    I'm voicing mine.


    I don't agree with you, but I respect that you have something to say.

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  77. "I wonder why Changmin would date someone he would have trouble communicating with."
    Ignorant. I'm sure Vic's korean is good enough to converse with people.
    I'm glad that people don't jumps into the hate bandwagon. Although I'm still worried for Vic's safety.

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  78. One way to win Changmin's heart: food
    One of the things Vic is known for: cooking skills
    Idk for sure if they're dating unless they confirm it themselves but if they are, what a perfect match lol ;)

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  79. I also remember seeing a fancam of smtown were Vic did not know that her shoulder strap was falling and min kept looking at her and finally when she saw him he told her about the strap and she pulled. It up it was a sweet moment

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  80. Changmin is also known for not keeping with his give 'role' and being honest so..... Beside I'm not insulting him, its just hilarious that he manage to mention sex in all of the episodes.

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  81. LOL I think I have her shirt but in black, I think it's the same style but different stock. Maybe it's from another season but it really does look like my shirt! :p

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  82. Wow..everything is about dating rumor here in NB..why not release every dating rumor and that famous dispatch list I'm hearing..tsk tsk..netizens are scary..even a small image in a spoon they can detect....why not apply to be an investigator so they can be of help...

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  83. I think its kinda advantageous for Vic to date Changmin so that she can improve her Korean anw. Unlike khunfany who will most probably just communicate in english hahhaaha.

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  84. I like Changmin but his intelligence is an accepted rumor.He is certainly eloquent, but there is no base for his IQ score. Beside, being learned doesnt exempt him from being lewd.

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  85. Like how there are certain SM idols who used to be so chummy and now they don't even interact at all, even during SM Town endings or anywhere else.


    Makes things so interesting. LOL

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  86. i was about to say that i ship kyutoria haha XD

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  87. well, who knows? They can be friends, they can have the same tastes, they can dated ...*shrugs*

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  88. CHANGKYUTORIA are friends. That's all i know. There are sooo many fancams showed Kyutoria closeness are no jokes. Its already mentioned million times that Kyu is the very 1st person who came to Vic when he 1st came to korea, and kyu want a chinese girl to be his gf, their physical interactions are also a lot, and they are always high fived, hold hands in every fancams,etc. But there are also soo many changtoria moments as well. Who dates who, its really only them know. I really wish it kyutoria, but if the truth is Changtoria, then i can only say hope you guys happy to be together, hope till get married although i really wish Kyutoria is the real one, hm..

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  89. hats off to netizens... really they are the best even better than dispatch and sports seoul....i wonder if they take it as a profession they will really excel........taking a bow.........

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  90. https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/441/6841/original.jpg

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  91. vic: hold my hand
    chan looking around and sees a camera
    OH SHIT ><"

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  92. I'm not a god so I won't deny that I'm self-fish ~ and I don't want him dating with Victoria, either ~ that's all ~ you can't judge me because it's my opinion, just like you can like them and I can hate them being together ~ how can some evidences like that become the proof that they're dating? it's stupid, I think! there are many things about couple stuffs in SM if you know well about that company ~ again, it's stupid ~

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  93. now..if netizen can find out how much cosmetics surgeries that they both had and find the "original " face profile, they can predict what will Changtoria's baby look like...



    I think I have a thing for Vic, because I ship her with Khun, Kyu, or Changmin... Any man will look good with her..

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  94. I kinda doubt this rumor but at least victoria is a girl not kyuhyun or food...

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  95. Or you can just look at their baby photos and morph those together. And both Vic and Changmin's baby photos are adorable actually.

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  96. Lol Victoria's like "hold my hand or else >:("
    I think they are a cute couple, if they're really dating I hope their fans will give them their blessings.

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  97. Geezzz they r obviously in love! Congratz for both of them, now they can dating publicaly

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  98. As entertaining as all this is, I'm pretty surprised NO FAN GIRL has yet come up and proposed the alternative of 'Changmin and Kyuhyun' being together


    XDDDD

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  99. aww her ringtone is she? that's cute and I love that song :)

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  100. Do you guys happen to know who Yunho is dating! Just curious. I read his "Thanks To" for the Catch Me album and he wrote, "To my other half for being almost like a tvxq member...." I thought it was for Changmin at first but then he wrote a separate section for changmin at the bottom, so just a little curious.

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  101. wow,before..when i read She lyrics translation- im thinking about vic

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  102. they go well together. both are ugly

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  103. omg...okay seriously are you guys dating.. SM SPEAK !

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  104. I wish them well. I like when my idols are happy and in love.

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  105. yea none of those are real loll. Lee Seungi and Yoona is lol and Taecyeon and Yoona were promoting for Family Outing 2.

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  106. If they did she did a good job in hiding it because she never looks twice at him.

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  107. Lol calm down xD we are fans so we must support our idol and we have to accept any decision of our idols, those who lived on their own so we can not do anything but support them^^~
    I do not care if changtoria or kyu-toria real. they've grown up so let them choose their own life partner~~

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  108. K-netizens are very cool, they're like spies and their analysis almost 99% correct or may be 100% true ~ ~ I support my idol dating anyone although I do not like a couple of my idols but as my fans will accept it gracefully * hopefully XD *

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  109. khuntoria and their own couple now is really confusing.I hope khuntoria dating in real life but after i saw this its make me sad.Khuntoria now is not exist

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  110. FUC*** MEDIA PLAY


    SM GOOD AT IT!!

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  111. staypressedantisMarch 2, 2013 at 5:02 AM

    my user name

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  112. staypressedantisMarch 2, 2013 at 5:06 AM

    If you can find any suspicious pic of Victoria that hints on possible PS or something, I will applause you! Till then Victoria stays one of the best natural beauties of kpop.

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  113. should I added "if any"? :-)

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  114. in your wish ^ ^

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  115. that would be simpler, indeed :-) And yes, they are both still good looking and adorable..

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  116. SNSD FLOP IN USA


    THEY FU***** PLASTIC SURGERY GROUP

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  117. And you flopped behind your computer?

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  118. no how about you?THEY REALLY FLOP

    JIYOUNG WENT TO UNIVERSITY ALONG WITH FX MEMBER BUT NO ONE CARES ABOUT FX LOSER

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  119. I'm sooooooooo glad, cause in the end, it's Changtoria, not Kyutoria

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  120. Kyutoria only exist from international fans

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  121. His Chinese is really good too...

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