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Saturday, February 23, 2013

Police under controversy for asking intrusive questions to gang rape victim

Article: Police under controversy for asking a ridiculous question to sexual assault victim

Source:
Korea Ilbo via Naver

A 19 year old woman was raped by three people at a night club, one man a 33 year old level 7 civil servant. Four hours after the rape occurred, she reported the case to a sexual assault support center and underwent police investigation.

During the investigations, a police asked A, "How long did the penises of your assailants measure?" A replied that they were small, and the police asked again, "Please tell us in the exact cm how long they were." A was taken aback at the question and paused for a while before answering, "About the size of a palm."

The recording was used as evidence in court. A's lawyers argued that the police had attacked her with intrusive questions, while the assailant's lawyer argued that "Because the victim was not able to say the exact measurement in girth or length of their penis size, the victim is lying as her story lacks any truth."

Judge ruled that it is impossible to expect the victim to remember the size and charged the three men with gang rape, sentencing them to prison ranging from 8 months to 3 years.

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1. [+395, -12] I want to ask the police... Do they take out a ruler and measure the penis before they proceed with intercourse?

2. [+368, -13] They were charged with gang rape and only received prison sentences from 8 months to 3 years... A swear is coming out of my mouth. The bare minimum should be 30 years... All of the judges have rocks for brains

3. [+356, -13] That civil servant is an idiot. He didn't even think of seducing her out of the night club. How much of a loser is he that he had to just rape her there? Seems like he was drunk off of desperation... Too much of a loser to properly seduce a girl, too much of a loser for any normal girl to even consider him. Now that he'll be fired from his job, he'll be unemployed at age 30 with no sense of respect and a small penis. What a life.

4. [+299, -13] 8 months to 3 years ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 8 month ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ The judges seem to think rape is about as bad as punching someone... but to the victim, it is basically murdering them on an emotional and psychological level.

5. [+261, -13] I can't even imagine how hard it was for the victim to have to recount what had happened as it was... How could they have even expected her to look at their penises and measure it in the midst of what was happening? I heard victims will normally ask to be investigated by a female police because of the embarrassment they feel but how could a fellow woman do this to her?

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63 comments:

  1. what!? the stupidity in "Because the victim was not able to say the exact measurement in girth or length of their penis size, the victim is lying as her story lacks any truth." literally hurts my head

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  2. 8 months??? seriously??? and omg that question about the penis size is sooo stupid seriously i bet not even a wife knows the exact measure of her husband penis omg this is absurd

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  3. What the fuck?? Thank goodness the judge wasn't a fucking idiot too, although the sentence is still too light!

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  4. yes because when one is being raped, their priority is to know how fucking long his dick is. these corrupt police, eff them!

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  5. [+395, -12] I want to ask the police... Do they take out a ruler and measure the penis before they proceed with intercourse?



    i laughed to hard at this comment. this is not funny at all...but rlly. I'm glad the court had some shame and slammed them...thought they really need to increase the sentence charges for these things.

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  6. All these rape news coming out from Korea ... won't be surprise if all rapist from other part of the world goes there just to fk around. I mean 8mths - 3years for a gang rape of a 19yrs old girl? Seriously Korea?

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  7. WHAT THE ACTUAL #%$% is that? (sorry I just cursed) But Korean law in this category has serious PROBLEMS. I can't even.... arghhh. T T.

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  8. i get a spark of hope when reading "Judge ruled that it is impossible to expect the victim to remember the size" then it immediately died down when reading "and charged the three men with gang rape, sentencing them to prison ranging from 8 months to 3 years."


    8 months? only 8 months?

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  9. This is just plain pathetic. We live in a world where equality and justice should exist! But why is it still an ideal? The S.K government need to change their laws immediately, rape is becoming a disturbingly reoccurring situation where the rapists are being let off way too easily. I just wonder why this is STILL happening!

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  10. Now - "Why did you come to Korea?" "Cause of KPOP!!!!" *fangirl scream*
    Soon - "Why did you come to Korea?" "For gang bang bitch!"

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  11. Seriously how the fuck do they expect her to know the size of their penis?

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  12. "ranging from 8 months to 3 years." WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!

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  13. How the hell should she know the size??? -_- like that matters

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  14. The police asked that question to see if she was lying... Because they figure... if she was really raped, she should know the exact width and length of the penises of the men who raped her.

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    I honestly don't know who's more stupid right now, the judge or the police officers. In any case, all of them need to be thrown in jail too for letting these sick perverts off so easily. Or at least a mental institution to get their fuckin brains evaluated.



    What the actual fuck is wrong with Korea's judicial system that they let off people who commit sexual assault and rape off so damn easily?

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  15. The length of imprisonment is what scares me the most. 8 months to 3 years ONLY? It seems like Korea doesn't take rape seriously...

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  16. What the fuck?! This is horribly disgusting. I can't with the assailant's lawyer... and the sentence is 8 months to 3 years? Really? Ugh. All rapist must be punished harsher than that. Rape victims suffers for the remaining of their lives and yet their assailant only get few years behind bars... :/

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  17. i pray for everyman that made fun or disrespect any rape victim's and seeing the case as a "not that important" case, may Those man's panises get stung ! and then..poof... need an amputation...

    Amien.!

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  18. Only 8 fucking months??? Seriously Korea I mean imagine what the victim must be feeling. Also those police need to be fired I mean why would they ask her questions that men her remember that horrible thing??

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  19. you know what really gets me? the fact that if you watch a U.S. political clip on youtube, you get a bunch of comments saying "oh america sucks" and "look how corrupt your system is." well, next time i'll just post a link to this article and show them that hypocrisy/stupidity is world wide.

    also there's another similar case to this in the US.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jury-refused-convict-nypd-michael-pena-rape-victim-couldn-remember-color-parked-car-article-1.1053186



    basically the judge wouldnt convict a NYPD officer for rape b/c the victim couldnt remember the color of the car.

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  20. what kind of question is that? did the police think that while they're sexually assaulting her she's busy measuring the size of their manhood? wth

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  21. All of sudden.....there are so many sex maniac in south korea...man from the street to celebrity....whats wrong with ur nation?

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  22. In ALL the cases of rape I've read in SK (though admittedly limited), there was never rapist who was convicted of more than 10 years. And the criminals are almost always repeat offenders, raped a minor and/or mentally handicapped, gang raped, multiple victims.... And they get months or <10 years and some can even get away with just probation.

    Messed up......

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  23. Is rapist punishment in SK always this light??

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  24. 8 months to 3 years only...
    wow korea must be a heaven place for all rapist and sexual offenders
    sighs...

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  25. Wtf is this O.o

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  26. The defense attorney's statement has to be THE most stupid thing I've ever read in my entire life.

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  27. In my country, u could b sentenced to death for rape minors.

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  28. ever wondered why k-lawmakers are not scrambling to rectify the law regarding rape/sexual assault esp re:duration of sentences?since sexual assault is rampant.

    maybe they themselves are the lawbreakers as well.

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  29. "Because the victim was not able to say the exact measurement in girth or length of their penis size, the victim is lying as her story lacks any truth." most mind blowing thing i have read today. nice to know that a person would actually claim someone is lying about being assaulted because their vagina doesn't double as a ruler.

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  30. disgusting freaks...level 7 civil servant and the investigating offiers first need to be stripped of their uniform or woudn't mind if they are strip naked......Man sentenced to just 5 years in prison for repeated sexual abuse of mentally handicapped minors and now this case where three men with gang rape, sentenced t to prison ranging from 8 months to 3 years. ..... when cases of this much magnitude and grave the man is is just sentenced to 5 years and 8 months respectively what fairness can we expect.....really shame on the law that is so impotent....this is the reason why women go in hiding rather than showing at a police station after a assault ....hope there can be ammendment to this laws so they they can be severely punished and justice is rightfully served......

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  31. this news indeed that it shows how ridiculous on how the police asking question to the victim but the punishment on the perpetrators, it is so light... how can their law took Rape so easily. I really hope with the new president, they will review and make changes to these law... 8 months, 3years, 5 years, 6 years for crime like raping and sexual assault/abusive? this is the most ridiculous one.
    in my country, the law for rape is if convicted it may extend to 20 years and shall liable to whipping. used to saw the real vid on the whipping execution in school for education purpose and it's well deserved for the convicted people that did it.
    really hope that SK can review back and make an amendment to it.

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  32. I'd say the assailant's lawyer should join his client in prison for being such a fucking rape apologist. As for the police, just what the fuck do they even learn about handling rape cases as cadets before graduating?

    I swear, my deceased granddad would probably cuss out at today's police officers, seeing how they're so feeble and useless to cases like this. They were definitely nowhere near this incompetent and bumb-headed as the 70s and 80s.

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  33. What the hell? 8 months? For gang rape?! You've got to be kidding me.

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  34. You just wonder with this kind of idiotic police and pathetic sentencing, how many more rape victims refused to come out especially if they are celebrities.


    The ridicule that they and their family will suffer will no doubt be a lot for them to take and to think the rapist will only spend a few years behind bars.

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  35. Omg the fugde?! are you kidding me? honestly re you gunna go aroung measuring peoples dick's? is that how you find the person? and because she wasnt able to measure exactly they only get 8 months in prison? this is crazy.

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  36. "- it is basically murdering them on an emotional and psychological level"

    This. And then there's a law that gives them only 8 months?!

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  37. Rather than asking about the features of rapers, he asked about the size of penis!! While the girl would be busy struggling to let her off from their grip.. Police want her to remember the penis size.. What in the world!!

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  38. Yeah... 8months!! Well if it was our country, those guys would rot in jail for at least 5yrs. But In Korea 8 months. If that were the same case in our country too then every girl in our country loose her virginity to a raper than to her lover

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  39. Oh brother...and 8 months? good Lord.

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  40. I can't even say anything.

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  41. Yes,Korea has been in a very bad place in terms of its people and social for a while now(Rape,Suicides among 30s,Suicides of kids over school grades,How low it is on equality for a 1st world country)


    Doesn't help that they just put up another Christian Conservative into president,things won't change soon.

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  42. I know a rape victim in real life and saw how bad it done for her after that. SK should take this issue more serious!!

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  43. exactly i don't think SK is a safe place to visit anymore i don't want to go there and loose my virginity.i'm really disappointed

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  44. looool 5 years and rot in jail looool in my contry they would be executed, rape is a serious crime in our country , even if he got less like 30 years he would be rejected from society .....WE DO NOT TOLERATE RAPE.

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  45. it's serious .... but i loled at your comment.

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  46. Exactly. People who just looked at the headlines were like, Oh a woman president in SK? Change is coming!! Hum, no.

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  47. ESPECIALLY when the soon-to-be appointed president is the daughter of a late dictator.

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  48. This reminds me of the politician in the US who said that women have a mechanism that shuts their body down to prevent getting pregnant when they are being raped. Their stupidity and ignorance is so stifling, that I can't function.

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  49. Wtf?! 8 months for gang rape? Seriously, Korea? And the gall of the assailant's lawyer to use that as a defense.

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  50. Man f**k that. Expecting to someone to 1) carry around a ruler 2) carry it with the intent to use it when being raped 3) expecting someone to go "wait just a sec before you rape me" and measure. What a-holes, grade A a-holes. I am fuming.

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  51. Yes I am happy about that. Now if only there was harsher sentencing because to acknowledge that having to know the exact size as proof is ridiculous but then give them a slap on the wrist sentence is taking one step forward and two steps back.

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  52. *so much rage*


    Sexist statement: I bet they were all men.

    Its hard for men, from their position to empathize/sympathise with the woman's position when it comes to sex, not excusing but their 'emotions' get the bets of them and i there is a precedent that women are 'lower' or 'possessions' or expected to 'yield' to men as a social custom -not sexually- than I can imagine its hard for the system to appreciate the extent of the damage or ordeal. Really, to even ask such stupid questions as if that could be a 'loop hole' just shows an inability to comprehend the woman's position. Maybe the lawyer (a really bad one) asked the police to ask that question so he could use it in the defense but ....
    Its uncommon even in more gender equal countries that women get the highest positions in historically established firms such as the law unless they are a daughter or something and they've probably been groomed to a method of thought. What is needed is a members of the court in cases specializing in 'rape' - there are specialist lawyers- to be female and can understand and argue from the side of a woman. The sentencing is always often an interpretation of the law and in most cases its a male interpretation without the council of a woman's view. How can you represent the judgement of the people in your country when 1/2 the demographic are not accounted for in decisions. Although in paternal societies there is persistent subtle/subconscious suppression of women that many accept it as normal and women suppress each other to conform to the the norm. Its not just men doing it. This is quite a feminist sounding argument but this time of situation could be better dealt with if this was awareness and appreciation of the female perspective.

    The sentencing is pathetic, even in countries that also culturally suppress women are ACTUALLY sever with rapists. The picture this creates is men sympathizing with men, internally justifying the crime and not valuing the dignity of women enough to realise the extend of the crime. But what do you expect from a country where men of money can ask a waiter to bring a drunk-off-their-face-girl to your table so you can molest and drug her with more alcohol to do what you want with her. When I heard that it makes me wonder how many rapes a night occur in Seoul alone.

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  53. Don't forget the people who talk about 'legitimate' rape. *head-desk*

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  54. Yeah.. Damn it!! Your country system is far morw better than ours. Gotta admit that. 5 yrs is nth for a rape..

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  55. Was your grandpa Korean?

    Is there a precedent of women 'understanding' in Korean court? If they don't even think about it than would they think to educate about it. Or is it because women are getting more 'liberal' that men are taking the stance they are bringing it upon themselves for not adopting conservative behavior and going to night clubs, if there is conservative sexist stigma in the eye of those dictating the schooling you can't hope much from their students.


    You never know some of these judges either can't comprehend the full implications and damages rape causes the victim or they can't see themselves too far above the act itself and might have some sympathy with the accused leading to lighter sentences.If the defenses Lawyer best or resorted to argument was not being able to measure penis size means you weren't raped it doesn't sound like the rapists had much of case to defend.

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  56. I got so depressed when I read what she actually stood for, and the sleazy things members of the government does in general =( like gambling and using taxes to pamper their own bank accounts when the money is best spent else were, like on their hospitals, public facilities, improving traffic laws and road safety and national debt ( you can watch their debt clock rising). Its the same with quite a few governments in 1st world countries but at least most have in their infrastructure more services for their people.

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  57. While looking for Korea's rape history (I was curious about precedents for the convictions) I've read about 3 cases where the guilty people got 12 years and that seems to be the maximum. Those cases were the most horrible thing you can't possibly imagine, they each riled up the country when they happened and I can't get them out of my mind. For all three cases people were sentenced to 12 years.

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  58. I am from developing country, and although the laws and government are kinda messed up until some degree here, I've never found rapist being punished as light as this.
    It's so surprising to me that this kind of law come from developed country.

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  60. Why do the police automatically defend the filthy ajeossi rapists, even when they have no personal connection to them? 8 months in jail for rape? What a sick, repulsive, backwards place. It seems like the police automatically side with the rapist in every case, but why? Is this the same country that is crying about 'comfort women'? Really? Look how you treat YOU OWN women.

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