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Wednesday, January 2, 2013

Rain's military controversy heats up after the release of vacation records


Article: Military to investigate Rain's scandal

Source:
Star News via Nate

1. [+1,927, -101] Treat his case the same as any other soldier's

2. [+1,879, -162] Is he the first celebrity to be put in the guardhouse? (TN: It's like army jail)

3. [+1,724, -183] Send him to the guardhouse

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Article: Military reveals Rain's record of vacation days "44 days of leave"

Source: Mydaily via Nate

1. [+1,039, -41] Does he think this is some camp? Seeing as how there's more other than those 44 days of individual leaves, this is so fu*king wrong. He shouldn't have even enlisted if he was going to serve like that. Get rid of all these dam* perks already

2. [+961, -36] Wow, 44 days of leave... And he's still only a corporal.. That's amazing

3. [+949, -40] What in the world... Active duty soldiers barely get 10 days of leave in their entire 2 years of service, who does he think he is? And the reality is, we don't even end up using all of those 10 days.. Is he even living in the same country as us?

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Article: Rain's record of vacation days revealed... "one vacation day every four days" How can he do this?

Source: Sports World via Nate

1. [+214, -11]

While soldiers were outside in the winter shoveling the snow
Rain was probably watching the snowfall from his warm room
While soldiers were warming their hands with their breaths while standing guard
Rain was probably warming Kim Tae Hee's hands by holding them
While soldiers were stressing over their vacation days being taken away from them
Rain was probably stressing over Kim Tae Hee leaving him
While soldiers were feeling joy in a small cup of ramen after a long day of work
Rain was probably feeling joy in a plate of spaghetti at a restaurant
While soldiers were busy preparing for their winter training
Rain was probably busy preparing for his next vacation
While soldiers received a reward for shoveling dirt
Rain probably received a reward for performing one easy event
While soldiers were enjoying their first vacation after four months of training
Rain was enjoying his first vacation in a week
While soldiers finally discharged after enduring all of that hardship
Rain will probably talk about his hardships as an active duty soldier on TV

2. [+177, -12] Once every four days? Is he at some experimental army camp? If this scandal never came to light, he would be sitting on Strong Heart just like that Boom ba$tard bi*ching and whining about all of the crap he had to suffer through in his service. I used to think highly of him when I read that he would be enlisting in active duty but this guy is nothing but a ba$tard.

3. [+156, -7] My children in the army shoveled snow on Christmas day, corporal Jung Jihoon.

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95 comments:

  1. Damn, he fucked up real bad. Only way to fix this is apologize and go to the army again...making it a total four years.

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  2. just when I though I should congratulate him wholeheartedly.........

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  3. I think the last comment sums up why any military issue is so important to Koreans/netizens... It touches all of them on a personal level because everyone has a son, brother, relative, boyfriend, friend in the army at one point in their lives. My brother told me that training is extremely difficult, stressful, as well as dangerous, and that there are many suicides and deaths that the media is prohibited from reporting in case it scares young men away (two suicides in his batch during his service five years ago). So for these people with loved ones risking their lives in the army to have to see this, I can't imagine how angry they must feel.

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  4. Rain really is screwed. I don't think Dispatch imagined that revealing this scandal would bring such repercussions. I have to wonder if this will mean that Kim Tae Hee's spotless record will be indirectly tarnished as a result of this.


    But about Rain, I also have to wonder why he even switched from active duty to "celebrity soldier" anyways. Wasn't he getting a lot of support and admiration from the public for doing so? Then again, he had frequent off-days as an active duty soldier as well so I guess the end result would still be the same.

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    1. They were the one who published the photo of him in uniform and told he often visited her. So obviously they must have thought about it and it may be the reason they teased about this on their twitter !

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  5. Im just curious.. but...why do they continue to have military duty? I know its has something to do with North Korea and South Korea and war, obviously, but I just wonder since its something no one really wants to do...why don't people try to get rid of it.

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  6. I think the anger is justified. It's like a mockery to all of the normal, non-celebrity men who have to suffer through this for two years.

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  7. South Korea is officially still at war with North Korea and when you constantly have some lunatics up north threatening to wipe your country from the face of the earth, you don't really have an option...

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  8. Technically, N. and S. Korea are still at war. They never signed a treaty.

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  9. The Korean war still is not over for N. and S. Korea since 1953, even though a cease-fire has kind of called. I'm sure you've heard news about N. Korea acting up, sending "satellites" to space or building rockets and just threatening S. Korea and its allies. Since N. Korea could just attack at any moment (and they sure do look like they have the propensity of doing so), S. Korea has made it mandatory for all men to enlist in the military just in case. Evading military duty lands you in jail for 18 months.

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  10. What I want to know is WHY he gets special treatment? It's not just him either, it's Leeteuk and his little musical thing...


    Do companies pay for celebrities to get special treatment????


    I really hope this is investigated thoroughly. This is definitely going to affect all male celebrities currently enlisted and the ones who have yet to enlist.

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    1. first Leeteuk is not the only one to be cast in this musical but for some reason you only saw his name... there are other celebrities too and normal soldiers.
      second, it's a common thing in Korea to use celebrities to promote the army and in this case the musical is about a war history. there always were musicals before in the army so why does it upset you now ? because you can bash Leeteuk ?

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  11. Wait, but WHY is SK's military service so treacherous? I think the army in any country can be very difficult, but if SK is preventing the press from reporting suicides and stuff then I'm guessing something must be seriously wrong o___O.


    Is there any reforms in sight or is the public okay with all this?

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    1. your worry is nothing, my country also do the same thing, prevent any press release any about military. idk why maybe bcoz safetly reason. us also do the same thing.

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  12. because they still at war with north Korea, it just that they stopped doing any battle but still no conclusion, meaning high chance that the battle will continued in the future, while North Korea have many soldiers, South Korea doesn't have as much as them, that is why their government force civilians to learns how to became soldiers so they will be ready if the worse thing happened

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  13. Because they are still actively fighting against the nutters in North Korea.

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  14. well if you think about it, i don't think he'll get hate when he comes out because look at boom and few other. as long as he doesn't get in trouble with the military, he'll be fine.

    Dynamic Duo‘s Choiza and Gaeko each received 129 and 117 days of vacation,
    Shinhwa‘s Andy received 110 days, Kim Jung Hoon received 94 days,
    while actors Lee Dong Wook and Kim Jae Won each received 91 and 90 days of vacation.

    lets not forget the all important boom with 150 days!

    and women don't have the right to hate on rain cuz their military time served is 0.

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  15. My brothers involved with the church so he acted as some priest-type role in the army along with his service where he was basically called in for the death of any religious soldier. From the stories he's told me, most of the suicides involved the hierarchy system, with the seniors abusing their privilege and status.

    Other deaths were mostly freak accidents or just complete mishandling of training, for example a soldier that was run over by another soldier in the middle of learning how to drive an army tank. My brother was asked to keep it hush hush, as well as others. I assume the family is paid off to stay quiet.

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  16. Wha? But there's no actual war between SK an NK right now. Plus most of the experiences I've heard about were just based on military training, not any active combat.

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  17. Women weren't able to join the military until 2011. I hope you know that.


    A lot of the people who are angry are mothers of people who have served in the military. Imagine not seeing or hearing from your son for two years. You don't know if he's alive or if he's injured until it's completely after the fact because of security purposes. You don't know if he's had to kill another human being. You don't know anything.


    And then you hear that these celebrities get 100+ days of vacation despite being of the same enlistment status as your non-famous son... simply because they can do a little singing or acting?


    Dude. I would be pissed the fuck off too. I'd probably be so angry that I couldn't see straight. It isn't fair. It just fucking isn't. Shame on those celebrities and whoever is responsible for those favors being granted in the first place.


    Even US soldiers who are deployed to the Middle East get to speak to their families every now and then, and they're granted 12 days of leave—not counting travel time. They get to receive letters. And when one of them dies or is injured or MIA, the family is notified within 48 hours.

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  18. why is no one criticizing the military? They obviously knew, and allowed, him to do all of this; to take advantages over all the others just because he's famous. Obviously Rain did wrong, but so did the military. but everyone overlooks this. the military is only 'looking over' this now because it's exploded out in the open.

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  19. "Imagine not seeing or hearing from your son for two years. You don't know if he's alive or if he's injured until it's completely after the fact because of security purposes. You don't know if he's had to kill another human being. You don't know anything."


    Really? Don't family members have some form of communication open with them though, like letters or phone calls?

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  20. " a soldier that was run over by another soldier in the middle of learning how to drive an army tank."
    OMG !!! Goooosbumps ....this is scary

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  21. Please don't talk about deployed soldiers cuz almost none of the korean military are deployed. All of the US soldier that live on bases have one day off a week atleast most have two. there 30 vacation days every year.

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  22. I don't agree with forced military service however that is not the issue at hand...What is the bigger problem is that there appears to be one rule for celebrities and another for everyone else which is totally UNFAIR. If you are going to have conscription, it should be ensured that everyone is treated the same and has to endure the same training. This is too much...I understand their rage tbh.

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  23. I think you need to pay attention to the news.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/31/kim-jong-un-new-years-address_n_2390922.html

    "North Korean leader Kim Jong-un called for an end to confrontation between the two Koreas, technically still at war in the absence of a peace treaty to end their 1950-53 conflict, in a surprise New Year's broadcast on state media."

    "Impoverished North Korea raised tensions in the region by launching a long-range rocket in December it said was aimed at putting a scientific satellite in orbit, drawing international condemnation."

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    This was only a couple of days ago. CNN, New York Times, San Francisco Chronicle, and other major international newspapers have covered this—all of them stating that North and South Korea are still in a state of war.

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  24. My concern would be that this might bring bad publicity to MBLAQ as Rain is/was their CEO.

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  25. He brought this upon himself.

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  26. No, and it doesn't make sense for them to have open communication if they are literally at war at the border that divides the North and South. Do you really think that the soldiers who stand watch in the cold can just whip out their cellphones and call their mummies and daddies because they miss home?

    Backtrack through all the articles that talk about the military scandal and read through some of the comments again.

    http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/01/rains-military-service-controversy.html

    2. [+1,402, -21] Yeah, I don't care whether they're dating or not but as someone who served in the army (as well as my brother currently serving), I'm pissed... Regular soldiers don't even get a chance to use the phone and all end up being dumped by their girlfriends ㅋㅋㅋ And yet he gets that many days of leaves... Regular soldiers don't even get the vacation time they're allotted sometimes and there are thousands out there right now in the freezing cold committing to their service. How can he be called the same soldier as them?



    I really love Rain but this scandal coming to light is really disappointing. I knew to an extent that celebrities are treated a bit more nicely in the military, but I didn't think he would actually accept the favors offered to him because he was so proud about being in active duty.

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  27. The war officially never ended, maybe you should read some Wikipedia for a change, and not just about your Oppa's and Unnies....

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  28. did you read the comments in the previous post? a lot of netizens are criticizing the military system and asking for a reform of the system

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  29. I doubt he even watches local news, or goes even near a newspaper...

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  30. Well, I can see why cell phone would be moot during military service but when they have downtime (do they have downtime), isn't there like a place where they can call their families? As you can see, I'm not familiar with the in's and out's of military service in Korea.

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  31. Funny how you mentioned Wikepedia and not a more reputable resource. I guess that's why you're so educated xP

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  32. ....................this is really too much. Korea's military has very low rate of death due to military conflict, less than 300 this year out of the more than 300,000 that serve. And they are allowed to write letters and make calls, don't make up stories think that USand the allies and Korea are in the same war

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  33. Oh okay, thanks for that. Honestly I was just curious...I'm not good at politics...and other than media/entertainment I really don't know anything about Korea honestly...wonder why I would get thumbs down for trying to educate myself...seriously.

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  34. lets hope fpr the best with MBLAQ as far as i know Mir's brother in law is the CEO now.
    I can't really talk much about the military thing since in my country this thing does not even exist LOL but i kinda get koreans being upset but not really LOL

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  35. I don't think celebs deserve special treatment but I don't think that they should get all the blame. Somebody has to be giving them all these days off. And what about people like Heechul? He just does his paper work and gets by.

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    1. Heechul has an iron plate in his leg that's why he was denie to do active duty and placed as a service officer and yes the service officers do a lot of paperwork and basically worked at the same hours than usual workers.
      that's the job so how can it be his fault ?
      don't bring him here just because you hate him and get the right informations before bashing !

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  36. i think he changed to the celebrity soldier thingy cause he injured his back dont know LOL

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  37. Thanks a lot...honestly haha was never good at politics...this is really interesting...so man all these men can potentially fight in war...damn it feels like world war 1 all over again...when people over 18 who were able all had to go to war no matter what, quite scary.

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  38. It's most of the time it is accurate, and since you didn't even know basic things like this, while being into K-pop. One would imagine that you know a bit more about the country by now, but I was wrong. You don't. But go on and bitch about my suggested source, and stay dumb.

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  39. Rain you really are screwed.

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  40. they are at a state of war, yet there has been very little direct conflict apart from the recent rocket incident. there will be no direct military conflict between the two koreas ever. both have very powerful backers and allies.

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  41. I disagree with this, but maybe I don't understand what you mean. Unless they made Rain a 4 star general or something, how could this possibly be Rain's fault? Yeah, I realize it looks bad, but any vacation days would have had to have been approved by his superiors, right?
    Also, why should he have to re-enlist for another full term? They should make him go back for 44 days, at most.

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  42. Well, his career was nice while it lasted. :\

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  43. i know this is a kpop article and i highly doubt that many people here are political analysts or have a good grasp of worldwide macro-economics yet i really feel that it is my duty as an 'honorable person' to educate y'all on this north-south issue since the amount of stupidity, ignorance and more stupidity flying around is far too much for me to handle.


    firstly, the north and south are technically in a state of war, with only a flimsy armistice officially barring the way of any direct military confrontation. despite this, there will never be direct conflict, never, why? because both koreas are pawns of china and america. neither will openly attack the other since by doing so, they open up themselves to the wrath of the latter's ally and relinquish the protection afforded by their own ally (who will only defend them if they are attacked, not if they are the aggressor). north korea is often portrayed in america and south korea as a nation ruled by crazy fanatics who wish to destroy the south, yet many dont realise that the Kim's are just a bunch of ruthlessly clever and efficient people who are not stupid enough to risk their own destruction by initiating military conflict i personally dont care whether or not they have nuclear technology, they will never use it (if they do then they will be destroyed), if america, britain, china, france, russia and other nations can possess it then i see no reason why north korea cannot take steps to defend itself. saying otherwise screams of hypocrisy. someone posted a comment about the north korean army having greater numbers thus forcing the south koreans to rely on conscription, well, heavy artillery means almost everything in warfare nowadays, ground soldiers are just not as necessary as they were 100 years ago, firepower is the most important factor.


    the issue with rain is not so much a case of, "oh he doesnt care enough about his country, he is unpatriotic, the nation could have been destroyed if jung ji hoon was not present!". it is more about inequality than anything else. it is more the military's fault than it is his

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  44. if it's not forced,no one's going to volunteer lol.say you're south korean,and any day north will attack but you don't know how to protect your country because you werent train in the army?what you gonna do?

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  45. Why not? It is foolish to underestimate me.

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  46. So you think everyone who likes to troll = stupid?

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  47. Not necessarily. People troll for many reasons... just not positive or constructive ones.

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  48. maybe if you keep quiet people won't judge you so much. thats reality, just in case you don't know.

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  49. Looked at the article on akp, and this guy has a total of 71 vacation days :O

    "Rain began his service as a member of the Defense Media Agency of the Ministry of National Defense in March of 2012. For the 300 days in the Defense Media Agency, he took 17 stand-down days, 10 unofficial overnight stays, and 44 official overnight leaves for a total of 71 vacation days, which averages out to a day off every 4.22 days.

    According to the government, he took 25 days off to record music out of the 44 official overnight leaves. However, he was not accompanied by any of his superiors, and for many days he did not even return when he was supposed to. A government representative said, “There were many cases where he recorded late at night because it is very expensive to use the recording studio during the day. However, these issues were raised last year, and since October we have been forbidding overnight stays in Seoul.”

    Also, before his transfer to the Defense Media Agency, Rain served 150 days in the regular army and it was reported that he took 25 days off during that time frame. With this added number, he took 94 total days off out of the 450 total days he was in the military. So far, he has not used up his 3 official vacation days."



    That's pretty pathetic Rain. Better hope the military doesn't beat you and your magic stick up.

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  50. Just as Idols getting special admission and treatmeants from universities.

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  51. Just wanted to share this an interesting take on conscription in Korea http://beyondhallyu.com/culture/what-conscription-really-means-for-koreans/

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  52. There is 2 kinds of service, the active duty and public service duty..

    Heechul does the public service duty..
    Other celeb like Kim Jongkook also did the public service, because he had a serious back injury, if you watch the early episode of Running Man you'll know it..
    despite the back injury, he's still get hate for it though, netizens thought he was just choose the 'easier' way..

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  53. Sorry, I've been paying more attention to domestic news since my secretary of state had a serious health scare and my country was at risk of spiraling into more economic trouble.


    Forgive me for not reading up on NK-SK new. I guess my prorities were way off :P

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  54. oh pls, women have a stake in this too. U think women don't have to make personal sacrifices when their brothers, boyfriends and sons enlist in the army?

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  55. Way to ruin your image...

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  56. didnt rain injure his back too and change to public service duty?!!

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  57. For MBLAQ Rain is their God. But Mblaq pretty much suffer from the fact that Rain was mentoring them. Rain has the highest number of antis.

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  58. You obviously have a women's issue...if you think the world works in black and white and people don't have the right to 'speak'/ 'portray their opinions' just because they are not involved in something or have never done..you should probably go check it out with your family psychologist.


    Because that argument is old, invalid( you are commenting on a bloody kpop site and I highly suspect you are no idol either) and because you put 'women having no right' chauvinistic as well.

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  59. Yeah, it's pretty scary to think that one day they might behere, and the next they'll be in a war.

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  60. smh Rain go sit in the corner

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  61. Ruthlessly clever and efficient?


    *memories of the rocket crashing into the ocean*

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  62. To be fair to Heechul, he has a metal rod in his leg from when he was in a car accident, so he's not allowed to do public service. He wanted to do 'go into the navy cooly' (lol ohhh Chul) but wasn't rated for it. ^^ The army does need paper pushers and floor moppers too, haha.

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  63. Well, the same thing happened to Psy. Psy served with too many leaves and had to go back for another 2 years. So he was in the army for almost 4 years.

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  64. Did PSY do that because the Army made him go back, or did he re-enlist voluntarily to deal with the bad publicity for his career? This is an important distinction!

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  65. You should watch videos on YouTube of the early days of the US space program. The rockets crashed all the time. Until they didn't.
    North Korea may be run by jerks, but it would be a grave mistake not to take their missile development seriously.

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  66. Back in 2003, PSY qualified for a special exemption, meaning that he could stay out of regular military service. However, in 2005, it was discovered that he hadn't been participating in the program (which was basically a desk job tbh). His exemption was stripped and he had to face enlistment, on normal active duty service. PSY appealed, lost his suit and re-entered the service in 2007. That's what I understand, anyway.

    I think you're trying to question the actions of Rain's superiors?;; Correct me if I'm wrong. But as PSY's case shows, the army won't shelter you if you're found to be in the wrong. It seems like it is up to the individual not to be a jerk and serve properly. But still, it's an interesting point you bring up? Like, are where are these guys getting approval for their leave? Anyone?

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  67. Thanks for the background on PSY.
    "in the wrong" is kind of vague, though. Did Rain actually violate official Army policy or not? It sounds like military authorities are still "investigating". Obviously he should be disciplined if he knowingly broke the rules. However, if Rain applied for vacation time, and his superior officer approved it, I don't see why people are calling for Rain's head.

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  68. It happens in every country which has mandatory conscription. And the news will not report all of these mishaps.

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  69. He needs to re-enlist again. Like Psy. Psy did his army training twice because apparently his first time wasn't up to it. And did the public forgive Psy? I guessed so, no one mentions about this thing anymore since Psy made such a popular song. Rain can do it. He just needs to re-enlist and act like Hyun Bin and after discharge, stay under the limelight for a couple of years, filming dramas (and hope one will help him reach his peak again) but not go to variety shows and crap about his days as a soldier.

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  70. I'm laughing hard at some Rain fags who were comparing him and Leeteuk like:


    'Ayo GG boy shush, look at leeteuk and look at the ''World Star'' who didn't even make any publicity out of his enlistment'

    Turns out guy treats military service as a part time vacation and goes out occasionally to bang Kim Tae Hee.

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  71. This is not a good begining..

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  72. Makes sense then why they don't put celebrity soldiers in active duty. Kinda hard to keep an idols death secret.

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  73. I guess his career might be over now.. -.-

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  74. Rain did reaaally bad. Taehee should also be blamed for this because she was w/ him in few of those leaves & she should have reprimanded him or so. Props to Leeteuk for doing his job.. for now.

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  75. The US thought that too (empty threats from the Taliban) and look what happened on 9/11. Just because NK makes what seems as empty threats every week doesn't mean they will never act on them. Thats why SK maintains their military. Yes they have powerful allies and backers but it takes time to mobilize an army. They need to be ready to hold off NK until their allies arrive.

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  76. I don't think Remy was saying anything negative to you, this conflict has been going on for years yet you seem clueless which is why he/she said you need to pay more attention. I mean the whole world was discussing and watching NK a few months ago when Kim Jong IL died because it affected every country not just the Koreas. It was big news and lots of explanations were made at that time as to why SK has an active military prepped for war.

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  77. Its bad enough Rain transferred to a easier position secretly after boasting that he would do active duty, but to then have a day off every four days is what angers Koreans. From the comments above it seems soldiers are only supposed to get 10 days leave so Rain's 44 days is so far quadruple what any normal solider gets over two years. It may be approved but it can only be approved if he asks, and he is asking and accepting. Hyun Bin served active duty as a marine for his full term and he cried when he was released because he had such a hard time, but he did it just like any regular citizen with no special perks (that we know of) which is why they say he can never be hated on.

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  78. i dont mean to offend you but that is an extremely naive way of
    thinking. the Taliban are an organization, not a nation with diplomatic
    credentials and power.north korea will NEVER launch a major attack on the south. they (the kim family) have far too much to lose, america is protecting south korea, they will retaliate if the north attacks. the american navy is currently operating with a 60-40 (soon to be 50-50) atlantic-pacific shift, they could easily bomb Pyongyang to hell within 1 hour of north korea crossing the DMZ. it has nothing to do with the south 'holding off' the north, if north korea wanted south korea gone so badly you do realize that they could have nuclear bombed seoul years ago? it is impossible to compare the taliban with north korea. keeping up a state of mobilization is vital for south korea to show that it is aware of potential conflict, it can and intends to defend its citizens and it is receiving constant aid from america.

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  79. Where did you even come from with all that? I'm not asking about why SK has an active military, or whatever else you thought I was asking.
    My initial posts were about why the SK military is so difficult that people weren't even making it through training. NB already helped to clarify this so your comment wasn't necessary.

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  80. it came from your comment that you were busy watching your own domestic news which sounds silly cause the NK SK conflict has been ongoing for over 50 years and every 3 months NK likes to do something to keep attention on it.

    "Forgive me for not reading up more on NK-SK news. I guess my priorities have just been way off :P" also because this seemed like a snarky response when Remy was just trying to enlighten you.



    Lastly i felt like adding on, NB comment doesn't close the discussion for everyone else.

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  81. BTW, that is all my assumptions from what i perceive. Not saying i know exactly what they think and feel (Koreans) but its what i get from the responses/comments. Of course i could be wrong....

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  82. Again, NB gave me the exact response I was looking for so.... bye.

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  83. i seee @@ ........ didn't know about this since our country doesn't have mandatory conscription .... soo ..... it's the first time i feel like thank God to that

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  84. the court made him to do that. as far as i know.

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