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Friday, March 28, 2014

Modeling agency caught for forcing trainees to lend money and provide services


Article: "Can't debut unless they pay + provide sexual services" model agency caught

Source: News 1 via Nate

A modeling/celebrity agency was caught forcing their trainees to take out loans for the company and not only sleep with the CEO but provide sexual services to others for the promise of a debut and plastic surgery work. They took videos to prevent the women from reporting it to the police. Some were even flown out to Singapore to work at a club there and one reported to providing sexual services as well.

1. [+1,011, -39] The agency is obviously trash but the women involved are just as stupid. How could you lend money and your body just because someone promises to make you a model?

2. [+781, -92] Why is it that I'm taking away from this the notion that women think about selling their bodies as nothing if they can get plastic surgery and a model debut out of it? Are women really like this nowadays? So if they really did end up debuting as a model, the sex would have been nothing, right? At the end of the day, the difference between sexual assault and consensual sex is how the woman uses it to her advantage, it seems.

3. [+609, -106] So pathetic... give your money, your body... The agency's full of bastards but what were these women thinking? They were too blinded by the promise of a spotlight. Those videos should be released so that they can't live in this country again. Do they not have respect for themselves as women? Spreading their legs for the promise of money?

4. [+36, -3] It's because stupid women like them that exist that these agencies can continue to do things like this. Red flags should've been raised when they were asked to take out loans.

5. [+32, -0] Model 9 is a pretty popular agency, no? I guess agencies are dirty wherever you go. Remember how Joo Ho Sung found out that Lee Soo Man made Jang Nara sing at a pub bar and he chased after him with an axe..... Joo Ho Sung was not overreacting at all.

6. [+29, -7] Sad part is that it's not only a minority of agencies but the majority

7. [+25, -2] In the end, the decision is up to you. I auditioned for a movie and got in but they expected money and sexual services so I just left. It's been three years and that movie still hasn't been released. The decision's up to you, I don't know why people try to justify their actions when they were greedy and did what they ultimately didn't have to do. Don't act like the victim when you acted on your own free will.

8. [+21, -3] So if they did all that and debuted, this wouldn't even be in the news. They only reported it because they didn't get what they wanted.

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223 comments:

  1. all this slut shaming.....................how nice.

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  2. I don't understand why women do it anyway either. It's not like they were forced to do it at gunpoint.

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  3. "2. [+781, -92] Why is it that I'm taking away from this the notion that women think about selling their bodies as nothing if they can get plastic surgery and a model debut out of it? Are women really like this nowadays?"

    If men, i.e the gender with higher statistics for rape, murder and pedophilia, wanna start generalizing an entire gender based on the actions of a few, they're in for a bad time.

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  4. Wat.


    The women probably didn't know what they were getting into until it was too late.

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  5. wow, these comments disgust me. how the fuck are you just gonna blame the women for trying to archeive their dreams and not fucking talk about the shady ass men behind this

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  6. Lol these fuckheads.

    Btw spill the tea for lee soo man and jang na ra someone

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  7. Yup... knew the comments were going to make me mad.

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  8. "Remember how Joo Ho Sung found out that Lee Soo Man made Jang Nara sing
    at a pub bar and he chased after him with an axe..... Joo Ho Sung was
    not overreacting at all."
    Really ?? joo ho sung is her father right ?

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  9. Jang Nara under SM company?

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  10. They are missing the key word here: FORCING. No one is "spreading their legs" voluntarily.

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  11. 1. [+1,011, -39] The agency is obviously trash but the women involved are just as stupid. How could you lend money and your body just because someone promises to make you a model?

    WTF

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  12. BURN!!!!!!!!!


    I hope they throw the management in the bin for a long time.
    This is just atrocious.
    Slavery is still happening and with every time it gets put out, the world is just that much better.

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  13. Yes, why would someone in a no doubt emotionally abusive and manipulative situation give in to the desires of someone who holds power over them. A true mystery.

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  14. aiya stupid. ever heard of young girls perhaps being naive? or they feel threatened/binded by a contract? such rampant thoughts in a developed country like sk surprises me, or would that be my fault.

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  15. I agree with the comments.
    Trading your dignity for the promise of fame?...no pity on my end.

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  16. 7. [+25, -2] In the end, the decision is up to you. I auditioned for a movie and got in but they expected money and sexual services so I just left. It's been three years and that movie still hasn't been released. The decision's up to you, I don't know why people try to justify their actions when they were greedy and did what they ultimately didn't have to do. Don't act like the victim when you acted on your own free will.

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  17. These women had a choice to LEAVE.

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  18. You are acting as if they told them that they would have to sleep with the CEO/provide sexual offers just after joining the company

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  19. This is actually "normal" to provide sexual services if ur from a smaller agency to get a chance to debut faster. Makes me sick to the core to read about this. Life as a trainee isn't only about hard work, there's other things behind ur debut that never comes to light. Hope the CEO and everyone elses who did this to the girls rot in jail.

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  20. "[+1,011, -39] The agency is obviously trash but the women involved are just as stupid. How could you lend money and your body just because someone promises to make you a model?" THESE WOMEN ARE THE VICTIMS BUT YEAH WHY NOT VICTIM BLAME THEM EVEN MORE

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  21. But company threatened them with video.

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  22. Some of you need to open your eyes to reality.


    The trainees have no choice in the matter.
    Its perform or else and not get paid and be able to sent money home to help.
    They are not at fault.
    The monsters behind this whole Slavery thing are.
    I hope they meet justice, but good and into the dungeon they go, for life.

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  23. 7. [+25, -2] In the end, the decision is up to you. I auditioned for a movie and got in but they expected money and sexual services so I just left. It's been three years and that movie still hasn't been released. The decision's up to you, I don't know why people try to justify their actions when they were greedy and did what they ultimately didn't have to do. Don't act like the victim when you acted on your own free will.



    Aside from women that are truly force to do things like that. don't act like there aren't women who do trade their bodies for fame and money and sometime they bite off more than they can chew. They get no sympathy for me. Both are trash the men and women.


    However, like I said, for the women who are forced to do things they shouldn't do. I would say create laws to protect them but... whose going to enforce it? there's no one enforcing these laws

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  24. yap in the beginning.. but i'm not really remember if she just training in sm or debut as singer also when she stll in sm..

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  25. From what i read from the article, the agency offered to debut these girls if they give loans and offer services. From that point on who would even say yes to that? i dont know if the agency told them this and the women agreed or the agency forced them. i dont think some people know the difference between slut-shaming or what these netizens are saying. If the girls knew this and still said yes anyways like what the hell? but if they were forced to do this than this is victim blaming. People will do anything to get famous sadly and trashy agencys like this will take advantage of this.

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  26. I absolutely hate how they always blame the women. What about the men who did this? It's the same with rape. It's always the "woman's fault" because they tempt the men. It's disgusting.

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  27. A video they made after they CHOSE to do the sexual favors. Don't get me wrong the company is scum but these women are stupid and naive to go along with that

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  28. I doubt that in the contract they would say 'you'll have to give sexual favours or you won't debut'

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  29. I don't understand this 'emotion' you speak of. It's not as complicated as you'd hope for it to be.

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  30. "1. [+1,011, -39] The agency is obviously trash but the women involved are just as stupid."

    y'all piss me the fuck off

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  31. If they were that hard up on cash than they should have gotten a job that didn't compromise their dignity and self respect.

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  32. people to use slut shaming inappropriate because honestly they don't know what it means. this is victim blaming if the women didn't have control over their situation.

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  33. Some of the comments are blaming the agency ie. the men that run it, too.

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  34. Um, if there wasn't a clientele in the first place, would these women have sold sex? It's hard to deal with a shitty system. Don't shame people for trying to survive it in.

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  35. Desperate times, desperate measures maybe?


    maybe they saw this as a quick way to make a buck

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  36. This reminds me of when tyra banks asked some women how far they would go to become famous and what those women said was honestly shocking. Some women are willing to do this shit

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  37. The women were naive to take out loans and sleep with this disgusting cretan in hopes of becoming successful but the CEO and agency are to blame end off. What kind of soul selling devil worshiping woman abusing scumbag does this?? My anger right now, I can't.

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  38. Wow, I didn't know about the Lee Soo Man and Jang Nara part!

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  39. I don't understand what is wrong with this?

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  40. Where does it say that they CHOSE to provide sexual favors? Does it say anywhere that they signed a contract agreeing to provide sexual favors in exchange of a debut? I think the way the article is phrased might make it seem that way, but I doubt it.

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  41. well, I don't really think THIS can be compared to rape though. Just my opinion. These men are disgusting of course, but the girls are not physically forced to sex. I don't get why the women just don't leave once they find the shade behind the company. I think at some point when you realize that you would have to give sexual services you can leave right? I'm not blaming these women but I still don't understand why they don't leave. Just my humble opinion there.

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  42. Wow... What kind of an agency is that smh

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  43. "Fame" isn't everything and there's a limit of what u should give in order to gain it. Those girls overstepped it but when your a desperate teenager I don't think u see anything else than ur "goal". Those bastards took advantage of that fact.

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  44. 5. [+32, -0] Model 9 is a pretty popular agency, no? I guess agencies are dirty wherever you go. Remember how Joo Ho Sung found out that Lee Soo Man made Jang Nara sing at a pub bar and he chased after him with an axe..... Joo Ho Sung was not overreacting at all.



    what happened?? Who is JHS

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  45. Even in Holywood these agencies exist. And most of these trainees don't get anywhere because once they're popular, scandals are all around them.

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  46. "the women involved are just as stupid." they ain't stupid. they're victims.

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  47. 7. [+25, -2] In the end, the decision is up to you. I auditioned for a movie and got in but they expected money and sexual services so I just left. It's been three years and that movie still hasn't been released. The decision's up to you, I don't know why people try to justify their actions when they were greedy and did what they ultimately didn't have to do. Don't act like the victim when you acted on your own free will.



    WHAT.

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  48. "why didnt the women just leave" "if I were them I wouldnt disrespect myself like this" "the women are just stupid"
    STOP STOP WITH THESE VICTIM BLAMING COMMENTS. for one, these companies manipulate the women into doing these acts and what if theyve stringed these women for years, emotionally and physically exploiting and manipulating. what if these women thought this was their only way for a future? what if they had a family to feed and this was their only way to put some food on the table? finding jobs is already difficult enough and for women, its even more difficult. There are a million other factors that can go into a situation like this. so please acting so damn righteous saying shit like "I respect my body enough not to do this" well when youre starving or have no home, your "self respect" isnt going to magically turn to money. STOP blaming these women, the company is at fault. How the fuck can these people read a story about companies exploiting their employees like this and turn this around to blame the women involved? I'm so disgusted by these knetz comments but most of all the comments about women and their bodies are about slut shaming so why am i even surprised.

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  49. where does it say that they were raped? they forced them to pay as in if you want to debut you have to pay. they did have a choice to leave and yet they wanted to debut so badly that they did anything they could so that they would be able to. it happens in lots of places, its illegal but some people are that desperate. they're wrong but so are the women in a sense they should've walked away.

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  50. OMG. The word FORCED implies rape.

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  51. The word "slutshaming", I don't think most people know what that means.

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  52. Some people like at the too simplified. sometimes there are no victims....

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  53. Which is why i said i dont know if they knew they would be doing services or not.

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  54. I think this is a situation. Company accept them as a trainees or model but they have to pay a large of Money. The trainees say they don't have a money. Company suggest them, get a loan. They get a loan but after a while they didn't have a job and have to pay a loan with high interest, company suggest to them to sell their body. Call them stupid or naive, because you didn't in their situation,you can easily call them like this. I can understand their desparation and humialiation because involve something like this.

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  55. It's shit like this that makes me wonder what's going on it people like Taeyeon's head. Clearly she has seen the worst of what the entertainment world has to offer and it is starting to show on her face.

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  56. everyone mad at the comments they made but its true. they should've not been that dumb to take out a loan for a CEO and perform sexual favors. when you do things because of your own eagerness, then i don't feel sorry for you.

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  57. wtf are you even saying? ignorant there are clearly victims here.

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  58. Which is their OWN fault.
    Yes, the company is shitty and should deal with the consequences of their actions but I will not sit here like these women didn't know what was going on. Like the last comment suggested, the girls are pissed. If they had received the fame they were promised than they probably would have kept quiet.

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  59. Either way, it was not a smart decision.

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  60. exactly, there's no bad and good here! the men get their sex and the women get their way to fame...

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  61. I don't understand something. Ailee sold her body, but then she only took off her clothes and sold her body for some spotlight. Or she didn't , did she?

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  62. stupidity is what it is

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  63. This happens a lot and it's a cycle that'll probably never end. If there are young, naive women willing to do anything to be famous then there will be agencies to take advantage of that and trust they'll find some clientele to pay for any services the agencies and girls will provide.
    Some of these women are victims & were coerced into this, but don't be surprised to know that some may be doing this willingly. Many are desperate for fame and will literally do anything to get there even by providing sexual favors.

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  64. But she did have a choice to go inform the police.

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  65. you'd be surprised at how absolutely dirty some of the rumors i've heard about the kpop industry as a kid.. around early 2000s..


    now that it's such a huge market, there's a smaller chance for exploitation, especially with the internet being so prevalent.
    but still, we see stories like these coming out and it's disgusting how they're using these girls (and sometimes boys).

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  66. I'm not talking about this situation but in general

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  67. You don't understand.
    These women allowed themselves to be used as prostitutes with the belief that they'll become rich and famous. Yes, its rape in the sense that they didn't want to do the sexual favors. HOWEVER, they knew what was going to happen and still chose to go along with it.

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  68. Its easier said than done.
    You are saying this from the comfort of your lovely life.


    Trust me when I tell you that there are millions of people out there who have to work so hard just to get their next meal and it just escalates from there.
    What if, they have family members?
    What if, they have siblings?
    What if, they had no where else to turn to because human being can be quite cruel that way.


    There's a patter developing here and you need to realise that the world you live in is not the same as those who are without the basic necessary things of every day life.


    I've done this third world study of people in the fringes and its a shame to be part of the human race realising we allow things like this to happen.


    Just keep an open mind next time mate and dig deeper.

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  69. I think sometimes we forget Korean mentality, obviously not all the Korean think
    Like this but the most even women think like that...

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  70. no this is exactly like rape culture.

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  71. They were teenagers they could have been manipulated

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  72. you sound like one of those dumb idiots. being a model isn't the only way to feed your family if you're in dire need. yes people become prostitutes but don't no one blame their customers because they started tricking. they did this because they wanted to debut THAT bad that they decided to pay the ceo and sleep with him. abuse is far fetched because there wasn't any manipulation when they did it straight up. stop being one of those dumb people and call it what it is, stupid females (coming from a woman)

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  73. LEE SOO MAN is a punk ass bitch. I wonder what he has done to other sm trainee. he remind me of that johnny man in japan.

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  74. if joo ho sung is her father, should not her name be joo nara?

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  75. Exploiting someone's dreams to get sex and money, and then blackmailing them.

    Pretty much.

    Idk how you can't what the problem is, it's staring at you in the face.

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  76. We all know how hard the training system is, physically and especially mentally, even in "good" agencies. Just because they didn't use physical force to make them do it (as far as we know) doesn't mean those women fully consented.

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  77. Where are you getting that from? Link? I'm not getting that from the 3 line paragraph that NB posted. That's just one way it could be interpreted.

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  78. The rapist doesn't ask if you're willing to have sex with him... he doesn't give you a choice to say yes or no! how can you compare this to that? :O

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  79. where does it say they were teenagers?

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  80. I would rather work my ass off than live like this

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  81. Do you think that the CEO asked them?

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  82. "one of those dumb idiots" lmao yes I'm such an idiot bc I choose to see who are the real victims in this and that the company is to blame. I'm such an idiot to actually acknowledge the fact that these women were being forced, bc the company told them they would expose the video if they tried to leave. yes I am the DUMB IDIOT that realizes to see the struggles people go through for this so-called "fame" life. get your sexist ass out of here, are you actually proud to call them 'stupid females' because youre a female??? fucking ridiculous.

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  83. Thanks for the life lesson but do you even understand the situation going on here?
    These women aren't saying they were starving for a meal to eat. They wanted fame, point blank.

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  84. I think this is more about the fact that the k-netizens leaving those comments are ASSUMING that these women had a choice in the matter. We don't know all the details about this incident, but the fact that they're automatically holding the victims just as responsible as the men who exploited them is disgusting.

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  85. how do we know if he did or didn't. aren't we all assuming things here because no one knows all the facts?

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  86. how do you know? the word "FORCED" can have multiple meanings. it could've meant that the only way to debut is by paying and having sex. sooooooo don't go around acting like you know everything smart alack.

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  87. Aren't trainees really young? And they receive the formation to be able to debut?

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  88. Right. Because Korea's justice system is flawless and let's no one--especially rich businessmen--slip through the cracks.


    >___>

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  89. Maybe Jang Nara is her stage name.

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  90. Well they agreed to do sex first which enabled the bastards to videotape them, as soon as they ask if you will be willing to sell your body I don't know about others but it's a definite no from me...

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  91. So the men who run shit like this are not at fault for asking women for these services? yes it is the women's choice and free will to walk away but the fact women have to face such things for work says a lot about this world and men in general....

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  92. its not rape in any sense. when its consensual and not including a minor its not rape. wrong by all means but not rape

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  93. The article doesn't talk about rape though, they talk about "sexual services" that's basically how they call prostitution! don't get me wrong I'm not blaming these women though

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  94. I can't believe what I'm reading. If they agreed, then the article wouldn't say they were forced and there would be no controversy. Forced doesn't have multiple meanings.

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  95. 5. [+32, -0] Model 9 is a pretty popular agency, no? I guess agencies are dirty wherever you go. Remember how Joo Ho Sung found out that Lee Soo Man made Jang Nara sing at a pub bar and he chased after him with an axe..... Joo Ho Sung was not overreacting at all.

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  96. Yeah I do understand but here's the crux of it, who is actually saying that?
    The victims?
    The management?
    or The journalist?


    If it were the victims, I need further proof to corroborate that story and point of view directly from the victims.
    This is just an article and you and I do not know who is to be trusted.

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  97. I just can't wrap the idea around my head that given the choice they would have said yes

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  98. And you know that... how?

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  99. Honestly, I don't even see their (those women's) acts as stupid. It's more like, those women are desperate enough to believe that doing those things will get them their dream job...*suffer now, reward payout later concept.* The people behind the operations are just taking advantage of them. Total scumbags.

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  100. They talk about forcing

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  101. lol women sell themselves for fame all the time,

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  102. so it's better to just give up to that and let the cycle go on right? /sarcasm tho/

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  103. Life oh life

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  104. how did they get a video in the first place? because THEY CHOSE TO DO IT. point black period. no i'm not proud to call them stupid females because i am one. i didn't want you to think i was some dude rambling. ridiculous. sounds like you a moron, but carry on

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  105. Ikr! The fact that these women accepted to do that isn't the main problem but the men that are out there asking for sexual services i understand money but sex?

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  106. Some of the comments HERE in this section are just as appalling as the ones being left by these moronic k-netizens.


    EXPLOITING PEOPLE = BAD


    How fucking difficult is it to understand.

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  107. You shouldn't hate on women that apply for these services because we don't know what their motives are. It's never easy for a woman to give up on her own body, imagine how desperate they were.
    Instead of blaming them, people should start doing something to stop these agencies from growing.

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  108. Obviously these women were taken advantage of and exploited. Let's not go victim blaming.

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  109. It's not a smart decision, yes. But, the people involved with the operations manipulated those women because they were desperate enough to believe what they promised.


    There are tons of people in the world who would do ANYTHING to be rich and famous. *suffer now, reap rewards later*

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  110. i think some of you guys are saying, even if the women are to blame, why would you jump to blaming them in and not the men who created these scenarios.


    if that is what you are saying, then i do agree with that and apologize for not calling the men what they are.


    depraved disgusting fucktards. sick that people in this world who use someone weakness for their gain.

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  111. Or they are too young and naive to get out of the mess?


    -> and why generalizing so much?

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  112. Here's a tip : when it comes to rape/sexual assault/ sexual harassment/sexual exploitation, don't blame the victim, don't even try to make it seem like it's even just a tiny little bit her/his fault, especially in a deeply patriarchal society like Korea.

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  113. It is indeed a problem but how can you ignore the problem in so many desperate people who are willing to trade their morals for fame?


    They were willing to do it. WILLING.

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  114. I know everyones sensitive because we wanna get women in a better and equal right. But what netizens are questioning is how naive and desperate for fame do you have to be to get yourself in this? Some of these women PROBABLY have had a choice in wanting to walk away, so it can`t be rape culture, slut-shaming, sexual abuse etc. unless they were forced to do it. This is basic commen sense; thats like getting into smoking or doing some drugs and not expecting to get health problems.

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  115. -> so many? I doubt it

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  116. generalize? i didn't say all women did but some. and no to always pretend like women are always victims is stupid. majority of the time yes, women are victims, but something we choose bad decisions.

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  117. all trainees aren't teenagers especially when it comes to modeling

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  118. I was comparing it with idols, sorry I don't know much about modeling

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  119. Or better yet, just turn around and never look back.

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  120. Did I say that?

    I understand why a person would hesitate, especially in a country like Korea, to come forward and press charges against rich businessmen and say that they were being exploited and used as prostitutes.

    It's a combination of being blackmailed, not having any money or power, being a woman, and the overall shitty attitude towards women that Korea has.

    The reality of it is that going to the police isn't going to do shit because of the way politics works (or, well, doesn't really work) in Korea. Corruption is rampant and they don't even make people who have been charged with sex crimes serve their full sentence. You wanna talk about change, better start with commentary about corrupt politicians since they're the ones that allow laws to be so loose in regards to women's rights and victims of sexual crimes.

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  121. You do know there's such a thing as coercion, right?

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  122. And most men accept and run these horrible stuff

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  123. 5. [+32, -0] Model 9 is a pretty popular agency, no? I guess agencies are dirty wherever you go. Remember how Joo Ho Sung found out that Lee Soo Man made Jang Nara sing at a pub bar and he chased after him with an axe..... Joo Ho Sung was not overreacting at all.


    Hoho. Sooman, you bad boy. You keep adding fuel to the fire

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  124. but did they say that?

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  125. I cannot believe they are blaming the women for this. This is disgusting. What awful people.

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  126. You never said some, you said women


    And making a bad decision means that you are held responsible for this when it was the CEO and all does scumbags who forced you to take that decisition

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  127. This isn't something that happened overnight.
    Meaning that these women kept on going along with it because they were sure that they'd be on stage or in dramas.


    Yes, they are victims. Victims of being lied to.

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  128. thank you. this is what pisses me off. we as women sometimes like to always like to look at ourselves as victims when its actually stupid decisions that we make on our part

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  129. Holy shit, some of the comments here. You guys are missing the fact that these people were FORCED. Had they had a choice, there wouldn't be a controversy at all. It would be immoral, but not illegal. Where are y'all getting that these trainees signed a contract agreeing to provide sexual favors in exchange of money? From the 4 line paragraph above?

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  130. And the guys getting their 'sexual favours' were WILLING to receive them even though they knew the girls just did this to achive their dream of modeling.

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  131. Once they get one video of you doing it it's game over. You can't back down, you have to continue to do it

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  132. Yes, they were willing to perform those acts as they were promised fame and fortune afterwards. But, they never did receive that fame and fortune. The people behind the scenes took advantage of that.


    It was a unilateral transaction. Those women got nothing out of it. It's not considered "rape" but, it's sexual exploitation.

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  133. well you might be right but all I know is that if i ever got in an agency that asked me to sell my body for success, I would rather search to for another career. It's not like modeling is the only career they could try. If these women have been forced, I feel very sorry for them, but if they were given the opportunity to say no but provided sexual favors to become famous then I don't feel sorry for them... once again, my humble opinion.

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  134. Sorry but are netizens BLIND? If it's consensual, why would they take nude photos for threatening purpose? Use brain.

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  135. Holy shit! I don´t think i have ever been so dissapointed with the comments. I am so angry right now, i don´even want to talk about it...

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  136. like i said i need more information. if the women knew what they were doing and continue to do it... ehhh. they have a part in it. is it as big as the man's, hell no. but they aren't blameless. but this is just my opinion.

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  137. People on here are also victim-blaming. It happens a lot.

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  138. it depends on what kind of modeling you want to do. high end fashion usually starts younger but commercial modeling you can start later. a lot of women begin in their early 20s

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  139. 5. [+32, -0] Model 9 is a pretty popular agency, no? I guess agencies
    are dirty wherever you go. Remember how Joo Ho Sung found out that Lee
    Soo Man made Jang Nara sing at a pub bar and he chased after him with an
    axe..... Joo Ho Sung was not overreacting at all




    Can someone please elaborate because I have no idea what this person is talking about and I really really really want to know. :x


    All I know is that Jang Nara used to be an SM trainee but was dropped for some reason.

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  140. I never said that,...you did.


    You've never been in a situation where one thing leads to another but in order to stay financially secure and have a roof over your head you have to do what MUST be done in order to survive.
    So with that said, I can slightly understand where you are coming from. And there is no shame in that.

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  141. They aren't blameless but the blame shouldn't be 50% with the CEO and the people who took part.


    And once they have a photo/video of you doing it they used that as blackmail (that is said in the pharagraph)

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  142. Yeah, people who are blackmailed into doing shit aren't "willing" to do anything. I don't think choosing the lesser of two evils (e.g. having sex with an old dude vs. having your family be homeless and humiliate for life if you don't) is the same as freely choosing to do something.


    Blackmail is illegal in most countries for a reason. Lol

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  143. please the majority of models are teenager only the more famous continue to work in the fashion industry after their 20s

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  144. You seem not to understand what they are implying. Yes they forced them to do the sexual favors but not physically. They were forced with promises. This is an entertainment company. Many people don't have to be physically forced to do sexual favors if they are achieving something in the end.

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  145. Who said it wasn't bad?

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  146. That's one of the reasons why I don't envy fame at all. We never know what people do to become famous, and what they've gone through...

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  147. You seem not to understand my question. Where are you getting that info from? Moreover, does that make it OK?

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  148. They never specified if they were forced physically or mentally

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  149. Are you f-cking kidding me right now.

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  150. "if they are achieving something in the end." But they (at least the ones who didn't debut) didn't get anything out of it in the end.


    It's sexual exploitation and (the videos) blackmail.

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  151. I think that the whole sex service was after they're money was taken away. Even if you walk away, they still have your money.

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  152. then wouldn't you just leave? And you don't live in Korea to know the justice system, since obviously they're getting arrested now. You're treating women like they are babies and have no control over their decisions, and you guys are the same ones who say that women must have control over their decisions. Well in this case, many could have decided to walk away and not do anything incriminating, but greed got in the way.

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  153. I get what sexual exploitation is and I never said this wasn't the case. My point is these women are complaining because they gave the sex but weren't given their reward.


    Like come on here.

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  154. Scroll down and read the longer comment I wrote, jfc.

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  155. I haven't seen a single comment that says what the agency did was good.

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  156. The main issue isn't blackmailing and who said it isn't illegal?


    You're missing my point.

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  157. Doesn't mean it's right to take advantage of them like that. It's still ethically and morally wrong AND against the law to do so.

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  158. Read below, some people say it's 100% the women's fault. Like wtf. The women were naive and desperate, the agency took advantage of that and used them.


    Still not right (ethically and morally) and still illegal.

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  159. No one said it wasn't bad. But they're also saying that letting yourself be exploited (which it is, unless they were blackmailed into doing the services) is a freedom of choice, being desperate isn't an excuse. They know fully well what is being asked and that also is bad.

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  160. Where did I say it was right and wasn't against the law? Please direct me in my comments where I said that.


    I even said that the company was scum and SHOULD deal with the consequences of their actions. I made that very clear.

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  161. But this happens in alot of countries. Were not saying that these women deserved to give sexual services just because they went through with it. Were just asking why would you still say yes when theyre were red flags everywhere? people are desperate for fame. Laws need to change for cases like this invovling sexual abuse and rape for women because most dont get justice. But lets remember that people are dumb (male and female) And someone women dont care if they give their bodies up. Kim Kardashian made a sex tape and got famous for it so some people believe if you have sex with CEO`s and famous people you get famous also

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  162. In the pharagraph up there it says that they were blackmailed

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  163. "But they (at least the ones who didn't debut) didn't get anything out of it in the end."



    LOL which is why they are NOW upset. Don't you get it?

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  164. I never said you did in particular. My point was that the women were taken advantage of and that was wrong of the agency and they should be taken down.

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  165. No, what I read from the comments below is "the men were assholes but the women could have said no and not give in" basically...

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  166. Are you talking about the videos they took?
    Those were done OF the services they chose to provide, not before and used to make them do sexual acts.

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  167. Its an entertainment company.

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  168. Why wouldn't you leave once you are asked to do something incriminating? You haven't answered my question. is that empowering to women? Yes, you sold your body to get a debut and you didn't play it smart and check out guidelines for picking an agency (and yes, there are guidelines), and now it is not your fault in any way? Clearly, it is mostly the agency's fault, but the women were being stupid. Perhaps you don't have the experience or maturity to understand this, but when you're an adult, regardless of gender, you have to take responsibility for your actions.

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  169. There weren't red flags anywhere.


    There are people who don't find anything wrong in having sex for money but some women from this company probably aren't like Kim Kardashian, they were forced into it via blackmail.

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  170. Nah, some people still victim-blame in comments.


    There are tons of people in the world who'd do ANYTHING for fame and fortune. It's pretty sad.

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  171. I doubt that they were asked if they wanted to have sex with the CEO

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  172. THIS. I can't believe some of the comments here. "These trainees were FORCED because they AGREED to it". Don't miss the oxymoron...

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  173. What does that have to do with my comment?

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  174. Of course I get it, it's still illegal and wrong of the company. They still need to be punished and taken down.

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  175. Estrogen level in rising in here.

    "It's because stupid women like them that exist that these agencies can
    continue to do things like this. Red flags should've been raised when
    they were asked to take out loans."


    There's always going to be stupid people, myself include. But this exist because people like their CEO, corrupt and has no sense of morality, chose to exploit others.

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  176. Did I say it was okay?
    Not once did I say it was okay. In fact, I even stated that the company was "scum" and "shitty" and should deal with the consequences.

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  177. Which is essectially what I've said several times

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  178. Where does it say that? We don't know who informed the police, if a trainee who had been 3 years in the company or someone who had just started in the company and was forced to have sex

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  179. THAT IS THE PROBLEM! They do ANYTHING for fame, I don't see how they're victims then.

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  180. they were blackmailed AFTER they performed the acts. Who didn't read the article?

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  181. It's considered forced only because the company stated that was the only way for them to get modeling jobs from. That does NOT equal rape. They handed those girls an OPTION, do sexual favors=land jobs, don't do favors=no jobs. They CHOSE to do it for jobs, then that is exploitation AND letting yourself be exploited. Ultimately, there was no real literal force involved. Company and people involved need to go to hell, but the women should have walked away from this shit.

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  182. it doesnt matter how their mentality is like, this is wrong. and they dont get a pass just cause 'their mentality is like that'.

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  183. Do tell. I'm honestly curious for stories. It's the first time I've heard of Nara and LSM.

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  184. In the article it never says that they were or weren't forced.


    And blackmailing is forcing someone

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  185. Yup. Both parties were willing participants.

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  186. If you are blackmailed you aren't willing to do it.

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  187. Because they get taken advantage of. Basically, these women were prostitutes.


    Imagine if person A only decided to join the agency to get money quickly because they needed it (for whatever reasons - raising a family, surgery, w/e). Agency promises to do so but, they must perform sexual acts. Agency never fulfils promise and reaped the benefits.


    The women never got anything out of it.


    Yeah, we can poke holes and slut-shame them but, the fact still stands that their end of the bargain wasn't fulfilled.


    It's like a business transaction...if one person promises you $10 000 for your car and you give them your car but, you never get your money...you were taken advantage of.

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  188. Yeah and? I was just riding your comment. No need to feel so defensive.

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  189. "...maybe this story here is going public because the girls didn't get what they wanted at the end."


    Pretty much

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  190. You're saying that prostitutes are victims?

    Well, we know nothing about the girls background but I'm sure there are jobs out there that can provide money without having to sell your body, they could have gone for these jobs. At least that's what I would do in their situations.

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  191. We don't know how told the police.


    It could have been someone who didn't get what they wanted OR a trainee who had just joined the company and was almost forced into doing it

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  192. It has everything to do with it. Why waste time on one girl who is going to say no when there several who don't have to be asked twice?

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  193. Oh you again. How many times do I have to make that same exact damn point.
    They were blackmailed AFTER they chose to provide favors. Not before.


    If you read the FIRST LINE of the article, you'd see it says forced: "caught forcing their trainees to take out loans for the company and not only sleep with the CEO but provide sexual services to others for the promise of a debut and plastic surgery work. " = They were FORCED on the PREMISE of debuting. Not actually raped. Huge difference.

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  194. It could be. Nobody here is sure what really happened. We're all assuming at the end. I really hope nobody was "RAPED".

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  195. Forced is another way of saying rape...


    If you here someone saying that a woman was forced = rape

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