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Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Veteran Kim Kyung Ho asks Crying Nut to show mercy to CNBLUE


Article: Kim Kyung Ho "Crying Nut, show mercy to CNBLUE... CNBLUE, apologize to Crying Nut"

Source: Star News via Nate (TN: to help the comments make more sense, the original title of the article was 'Kim Kyung Ho, 'Crying Nut must show mercy to CNBLUE')

"They're both my juniors... It's definitely the fault of CNBLUE's reps that they used the digital recording without any consent or permission, but I would like Crying Nut to play their role as senior musicians by showing mercy to their dongsengs.

To outsiders, it can look like an indie band trying to cut down CNBLUE for achieving mainstream popularity but I don't see it that way. Putting aside the involvement of the broadcast company, as artists, CNBLUE's reps should've made sure to receive permission before having made hasty decisions like that.

It's an issue that's often overlooked, and it's only now that it's finally exploding. Crying Nut has every right to be angry.

I, too, have experience of my former agency using songs that I had produced as demos in the past in special album releases without my consent, which bothered me greatly.

In the end, we're all friends and musicians. With the amount of publicity this issue has gained, the public has also acknowledged that CNBLUE made a mistake. Everyone already knows that CNBLUE is in the wrong so I feel that Crying Nut should have it in them to show them mercy this once.

I personally wish that they won't sour their relationship as musicians by taking this to the court. I'd like for Crying Nut to just live up to their senior musician title, as hyungs, and consider CNBLUE's mistake as one made by uninformed dongsengs.

What mistake could the children (CNBLUE) actually have committed. It's the fault of their company for not looking into the matter further at the time. They do, however, need to take into account what Crying Nut is asking of them and show a genuine desire to resolve the matter peacefully by visiting them with an apology."

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1. [+605, -16] I'm a supporter of Crying Nut but after reading Kim Kyung Ho's interview, what he's saying is right... It's just that the journalist chose a provocative title to get more clicks so I'm worried it's going to get Kyung Ho hyung more hate

2. [+490, -40] CNBLUE's fans are pretty daebak~ Crying Nut's debuted for 17 years now but they're claiming that they're using their oppas for fame ㅋㅋㅋ

3. [+447, -15] I hope they listen to this amazing senior's advice and resolve the matter...

4. [+368, -16] It's because he's Kim Kyung Ho that he can come out and say things like this... Anyway, I hope CNBLUE and Crying Nut resolve this matter peacefully

5. [+357, -21] Kyung Ho hyung sounds too nice. CNBLUE's company is complete evil, you could tell right from how they handled their plagiarism controversy. Crying Nut needs to slam down on them hard for them to wake up otherwise if they let them go this time, they're going to be rolling the gears in their heads for something else next time

6. [+352, -54] I disagree. Crying Nut needs to make this case a precedent so that it doesn't happen again.

7. [+315, -29] I disagree as well. Crying Nut's point of lawsuit is to make the case a precedent, not to make money off of CNBLUE or because they're jealous of CNBLUE's fame. They've already announced that should they win the lawsuit, the money will be donated to help the cause of indie bands so their intent seems genuine. I remember when CNBLUE was up against Ynot, the court totally demolished Ynot... It's time that an indie band of Crying Nut's stature finally step up and drill this issue down once and for all.

8. [+221, -20] Crying Nut's point is that they don't want something like this to happen again. I hope it all gets resolved.

9. [+200, -7] Don't you guys think Kim Kyung Ho is too nice? ㅋㅋ He's like the Yoo Jae Suk of the rocker world ㅋ

10. [+152, -5] Any idiot who just reads the title and skims the article will think Kim Kyung Ho is taking CNBLUE's side. I hope that nobody just reads the title and leaves a bunch of hateful replies at him.

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93 comments:

  1. CN Blue should apologize to their seniors and end this "drama".

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  2. Didn't they release an official apology ?

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  3. It's not really about it I think... in their statment they said that they recieved CN Blue's apology but they are going further with this case so it won't happen with small ndie bands. It's more like open the public eyes how big companies step on small indie bands I think.

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  4. "1. [+605, -16] I'm a supporter of Crying Nut but after reading Kim Kyung
    Ho's interview, what he's saying is right... It's just that the
    journalist chose a provocative title to get more clicks so I'm worried
    it's going to get Kyung Ho hyung more hate"

    this.

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  5. Considering this is CNBlue's second plagiarism controversy, there may be a third time and they won't learn if they don't get the consequences for their crimes.

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  6. *yawn* can't help but think that crying nut are loving all the PR they are getting from suing CNblue.
    aybe they're releasing a new album soon?

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  7. '1) CNBLUE requested to use Crying Nut's song for their DVD released in Thailand
    2) Crying Nut said they would allow the use of their song as a live cover, but declined the DVD request
    3) Crying Nut then heard that CNBLUE had already used their song in the DVD released in Japan
    4) Crying Nut got pissed and watched the DVD, and found that CNBLUE handsynced and even lipsynced over their original song
    5) Crying Nut complained to Mnet and got an apology
    6)
    They were going to get an apology from CNBLUE, but they thought ending
    this situation with an apology wouldn't do any good because other indie
    bands could get into the same situation afterwards. So they decided to
    involve the court for stricter knowledge of copyright
    7) They will
    donate all the money they get from CNBLUE if they win them. They
    strongly emphasized that they're not doing this for money'

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  8. really not a cnblue supporter but even if crying nut debuted first, i still think they r using all this scandal, they r taking this toooooo far and actually they start to look desperate

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  9. What are you talking about? This is not even so much about plagiarism as it is about them using Crying Nut's song without permission and passing it as their own (I am not saying they did it on purpose but that's how Crying Nut sees it).


    So I don't see why they should be punished for something their company did wrong. Maybe they should personally apologize to them, because it's the name CNBlue that is being carried in the dirt but to go to court and stuff like that would be too much IMO, unless Crying Nuts are only going to sue the company and not associate them to CNBlue which is impossible.

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  10. But they didn't personally apologize, as far as I know.

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    1. No shut up if you didn't know that they apoligized personally then don't make a comment about it. The bamd cn blue are people too they makes mistakes and aren't perfect so just stop

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  11. Yeah it does make a difference gotta admit but @disqus_a3S2BELAC1:disqus reminded me of why they keep going with the case. Crying Nut is absolutely right.

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  12. Would be interesting to see if the netizens would care as much if the people sued were not idols.
    Reminds me of how much they care when JYP was sued for plagiarism, cared for bout' a week and then they stopped caring.

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  13. Crying nut said cnblue uploaded the apology on their website but didn't apologized in person
    I get why they think cnblue and their management weren't genuine with their apology

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  14. They are coming back with an album this March after 3 year hiatus.

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  15. "Crying Nut needs to make this case a precedent so that it doesn't happen again."

    totally agree with this.

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  16. Off topic, is that a guy or a girl?

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  17. This case is bigger than Crying Nut and CNBlue. It sets a precedent for unauthorised use of material, something that the world of k-pop has been very good at until now. Crying Nut should take it to court, not for their own sake, but for the sake of all other artists who follow and have similar situations.

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  18. Sigh. Don't go throwing around the plagiarism shit like it's a petty matter. Firstly, the issue with Crying Nut is NOT plagiarism. Misuse of AR is not plagiarism and surely no song of theirs is claimed by CNBLUE as their own. Second, the plagiarism issue with I'm a Loner is not against CNBLUE but the composers of the song. Even Ynot clarified that the issue is not between CNBLUE and them but the composers. And the composers won the case. Inform yourself before making hasty defamatory comments.

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  19. The first they plagiarized their debut song from an indie group. This second time they used the song of another indie group without their permission. See a pattern? They are using indie groups' works as their own, stepping over them.
    They are doing all these things and aren't learning if someone doesn't come and slam them of their crimes. And Crying Nuts is the one to set that and needs to create justice for other artists and the Korean copyrights law are pretty shitty so this should implement great protection laws on them.

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  20. True but I don't think that they are taking this case to court because of not recieving a decent apology, and they said that they don't have hard feelings toward CN Blue so i assume that it's more like to make sure it won't happen again in the future is why they can't let it go without making it a bigger issue.

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  21. Its a guy, just read all the comments the netizens say, they use "HE" not "SHE"

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  22. They are quite petty that they keep on getting these controversies regarding their works being made/used from other sources not their own. What's their company, FNC? are damn shady with these suspicious acts and CNBlue is their representative group so that's why when there's these kind of controversies it smear on their artists' name.

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  23. If you really want to set a precedent and foster a change in the system, go after MNET. But they settled with MNET already, too bad.

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  24. it's a hard situation. it wasnt really c.n. blue's fault. they were just doing what they were told. but when this blew up, they should've went to crying nuts and apologize directly and sincerely and clear up the misunderstandings.

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  25. 8. [+221, -20] Crying Nut's point is that they don't want something like this to happen again. I hope it all gets resolved.
    I hope so too, CNBlue's company needs to issue a formal apology to Crying Nut face to face, and resolve their issues that way instead of through media outlets and fancafe's.

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  26. This translation is inaccurate. EJ corrected himself. It's MNET that requested not CNBLUE. As pointed out countless times and admitted by Crying Nut themselves, the DVD issue is with MNET.

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  27. Pls inform yourself b4 making ignorant comment.Plagiarized issue is between composers and the court had already cleared them. Second, it is copyright issue with which the band itself is not at fault. Yes, I am all for justice here but they are barking at the wrong tree here. And k-netizen are so fast to judge without even looking at the issues in the broad perspective.

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  28. They're taking it too far to prove a point. I think that deep down even they recognize that they're being too harsh, but that's the way it's gotta be if they want to actually get something done. They're aiming for something bigger than just making quick cash and to me it doesn't look desperate at all.

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  29. please set your facts straight i don't think cn blue requested the song for their own dvd release, there are too many articles re this, try reading at least

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  30. there's actually a correction to #1 that probably pt forgot to mention.
    -the DVD released in Taiwan not in Thailand
    -it's mnet that set the request to Crying Nut, not CNBLUE


    by: EJ on http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/02/crying-nut-releases-official-statement.html

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  31. Listen to the man. He's the only one talking sense.

    6. [+352, -54] I disagree. Crying Nut needs to make this case a precedent so that it doesn't happen again.

    This here is pathetic. You're not going to stop companies from doing whatever the hell they want. It's FNC and MNET that owe Crying Nut the apology. CN Blue just do as their company told them to do.

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  32. Works. Talking as if I'm a Loner is the only song they have ever sung abd that Offside performance is the only perfirnance they ever did. People should sometimes gonway past the label "idol band" and actually judge the band based on their merits. But that's the last thing haters will do for sure. Exactly why they gave to bring up irrelevant issues so they have a reason to hate. Anyway, I'm all for Crying Nut fighting for their rights but they are going after the wrong person. Should have gone after the big abd almighty MNET but they settled with them, too bad.

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  33. Why do they keep on getting into these kind of problems regarding their works? There's something really suspicious about their company that they keep on getting embroiled into these kind of controversies. And like I said before, CNBlue is FNC's representative group and these acts will smear their name. That's why Crying Nuts is attacking the group so that it should get to whoever is in charged that they should acting dirty.

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  34. They say they don't have hard feelings towards theur juniors but if you read their last statement it's the total opposite. It was defamatory at some points.

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  35. OK I don't mind if people use my summary, but can you at least also post the corrections I made for #1?

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  36. I wonder if it’s a right thing
    for Crying Nut to go after CNBlue in this case? Unlike Crying Nut which is an
    indie band and has its freedom and own responsibility for its performance, CNBlue
    is an idol band and they just do what they are told to do by the agency and the
    broadcast station, not to mention that in 2010 they were still a rookie. I
    think it would be more reasonable if they go after Mnet (which they already
    did) and FNC.

    It seems like they are making
    CNBlue a pilot case to set a new standard for Korean music industry. But can an
    indie band like Crying Nut change it? Pity for CNBlue!

    Btw, it is irrelevant
    to bring up the issue of plagiarism here. It already ended. Ynot also claimed
    that CNB had nothing to do with the song but the composer did.

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  37. As some other people have said. Please investigate a bit more before making false accusations.
    CNBLUE DIDN'T plagiarize their debut song, there was a controversy but it was between "I'm a loner" composer and an indie group, NOT with CNBLUE.

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  38. I agree 100% with you.
    They should go directly to the root of the issue and go after MNET if they are so interested in setting a precedent.

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  39. CNBLUE should've apologized in person, even though they weren't the ones that made the mistake, they should not stay with their arms crossed.

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  40. I applaud them for wanting to set a precedent and change the system. But they should go to the center of the issue, who was the one that caused all this problem? Mnet and FnC for not handling it all correctly. They should go after them, specifically after Mnet if they want to set a precedent.

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  41. I agree with you, but I think Crying Nut is wrong for going after CNBLUE. After all, what power did CNBLUE have over this issue? Almost none. The one they should be wanting to go to court to should be Mnet, isn't that the company that violated their rights/didn't respect their decisions? And also probably FnC, for not handling it correctly and overlooking this issue when it happened.

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  42. just take to the court, n i know cnb will win, coz this case 99% Mnet fault, n Mnet has resolved this case last year

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  43. I think this is a case of who the public will be more concerned/interested over getting sued. You're right, they could have just targeted the people actually responsible if they were simply seeking personal recompense, but their intent is to make an example of the perpetrators and in order to get the attention that cases like these deserve they need to, unfortunately, drag CNBLUE to the center of it. If they'd just sued FNC or Mnet, the case wouldn't be getting as much attention as it is now. What Mnet and FNC did was very wrong, but if solving things is just as easy as getting a paycheck, then nothing is achieved and others will continue to get screwed over. Musicians and their companies need to see that they can't just trample over indie artists simply because they aren't popular. CNBLUE aren't exactly a prime example as they aren't the ones at fault, but people should know this isn't just going to be swept under the rug, no matter how seemingly small the offense may actually be. People will think Crying Nut are overreacting, but this is something that happens to indie artists one too many times and if this is an opportunity to bring light to the issue, then I say it's an opportunity well seized.

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  44. And all these at the expense of young musicians like CNBLUE. That's just wrong. Like what Kim Kyung Ho said in the end "they are all musicians".

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  45. totally agree with u. CNB is an idol band not an indie band like Crying nut ...

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  46. who da fack are you? stfu my cnblue oppars are the best they no need apologize to a bunch of stinkin nugus

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  47. these stinking nugus should be HONORED that my oppars use their irrelevant song and made it relevant

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  48. I think if crying nut goes this case to the court against CN BLUE, they will lose because everybody knows how is the situation in korean music industry, CNBLUE is alsp the victim. But if they goes this case against FNC entertainment maybe they can win, although the fine will not as big as MNET.

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  49. Lol if you're gonna troll, don't use a typical troll name.


    #TROLLINGFAILS

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  50. what do they want to prove? MNET already admitted it was their fault but crying nut still going against Cnblue tell me what point they r trying to prove.. they r going against the wrong person

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  51. An obvious troll. Bow

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  52. I presume they want to showcase the severity of the issue, or at least show how severe it is for the indie artists that have had their works stolen or misused. They can't do that if they just take it with the companies responsible. They want public awareness, they want to make an example, and for them to do that they must have seen it most beneficial to go after CNBLUE. It was the companies that made the decision to use Crying Nut's song in that way, but CNBLUE were the ones who performed it. Of course we know that they had no choice, but Crying Nut probably don't see it that way. They're probably looking at is as CNBLUE not having a conscience and still doing what they're told even though they should know it's wrong.

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  53. This Crying Nut vs. CNblue case won't set any precedent in the court of law since it's been proven that CNBlue had no part in choosing to perform the song nor profited off of it. It's a pointless case.



    If they really want to make an impact to protect an indie group's rights, they should be making a suit again MNET who was behind everything and FNC for the way they handled the matter. They're the ones at fault, CN Blue was just a victim to their stupidity.

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  54. U gotta sue niggas nowadays its the KOREAN WAY!!

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  55. When this is all over and they've made up and all they should do a collab song: by 'CryingNutBlue' :D

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  56. This can be the start of actually making a stand. Good job crying nut.
    Gifting bentleys wont be of no good anymore.

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  57. If this is really about precedent they should have gone after MNET..They will definitely have a chance against that..I completely understand now their desire but going after CNBLUE who is not directly liable, they're winning chance is slim or a loosing battle..Overall their intention is broadcast channels continuously using smaller artist song so wouldn't it be reasonable to go after this companies instead of artist who really don't have a say in this matter? Kudos to this senior who is trying to meditate between artist. CNBLUE and Crying nut listen to your hyung. Its such a pity that two bands are going with each other. Crying nut is fighting for broadcast stations continuously using songs without permission while CNBLUE fighting for music shows to allow bands to play live..Wouldn't paddling a boat together to these broadcast station and music show a more easier fight if two were together?

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  58. This is what makes it harder to grasp Crying nut's thoughts..

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  59. " It's definitely the fault of CNBLUE's reps"--Like it how this sunbae emphasize its CNBLUE's reps fault which it really is..FNC is turning to be my least fave company..Handle your artist right..I use to think your a cool company...Argh!!Stop debuting a lot of artist and focus on your recent artist first..

    "What mistake could the children (CNBLUE) actually have committed. It's the fault of their company for not looking into the matter further at the time. They do, however, need to take into account what Crying Nut is asking of them and show a genuine desire to resolve the matter peacefully by visiting them with an apology.""--What a true genuine hyung.....target MNET and not the company..Why attack a weaker opponent?

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  60. Crying Nut should have gone and filed a suit against MNET not cnblue, it doesn't matter if they already got compensation from mnet, they could try different angle

    they're suing the wrong party here

    They won't get anything much from cnblue as cnblue and FNC followed mnet's decision and order during the music show, and the profit from DVDs all goes to MNET, FNC didn't give their permission to the making of the DVDs, MNET made and sold the DVD's without consent and FNC didn't get even a single cents from the sales
    the ruling might not even side crying nut in this situation

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  61. please made some research before you type some nonsense like this
    your facts are not even right

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  62. troll harder please, it's not working at all

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  63. Gaaaah too many dramas, just go with the flows, follow the rules, just let the time give us answer, and go for your world tour, stay cool and lovely, so many boices with their love and respect are waiting for you.

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  64. it should be MNET/FNC vs. Crying Nut

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  65. basically sounds like they are doing it for publicity

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  66. crying nuts still probably would have sued them

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  67. crying nut case is really weak i doubt they are going to win so no precedent will set. they are only in it for the publicity.

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  68. Mercy? I wish CN Blue stood their ground here and maybe even countersued for defamation. Rather unlikely to happen though: Sunbae/Hoobae, idolband/indieband and all that. Maybe the legal system in SK is much different than here, but in my
    country the case would be closed as soon as it reached the court. It seem to be little more than an overly loud smear campaign and indie artist crusade that legally are hollow to the max. Virtually all their claimed legal issues seems to be addressed to the broadcasting company that they prior quietly settled said issues with two years ago or so.

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  69. Them sayign they are doing for the precedent it will set, not for the money will be considered a load of bull to me until they ACT like they are doing it truely for the precedent, and the only way that will truely happen is if they go after FNC or Mnet. You're not doing it for the money but you take a quiet (until now) payoff from mnet, but still hound cnblue, when it's obvious they had no choice in the matter?? right....I feel they have reason to be upset at the situation but to act like children and point fingers at cnblue who was at the mercy of their reps and management is silly and ignorant. I hope they come to their senses and realize soon that pursuing the group themselves and not the people in power will do nothing for their cause.

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  70. Crying Nuts is just flogging the whipping boy. Back in time an assigned boy at the same age was punished when a young prince misbehaved as punishing the prince himself could be all kind of troublesome. It’s a quite ironic situation. As the cover performance itself is rather minor part of the case and not a valid copy right case (it was authorized by CN by own admission, and they did not seem to care noteworthy until recently) What we have here is the small victim in the following unauthorized DVD release fiercely attacking the big victim in their copyright crusade, while not daring to call the copyright offender by name after receiving whatever compensation he saw fit to give them. Yeah, Crying Nuts are taking a bold stand against the bad guys and tries to set presence indeed

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  71. It's only proven on the court of public opinion, not in actual court. We don't know if the figures are actually zero. Do remember that MNet and FNC are part of CJ E&M, so we don't know who profited from what until it is revealed in court. This is a point that Crying Nut has emphasized in their statements.

    Besides, Crying Nut is mainly suing them for the lipsync/air guitar thing, which is on the DVD. And that the performance is questionable because the performance has a keyboard part, and you can see that there are no keyboardists in CN Blue during that performance.

    Also, Crying Nut can't sue MNet and FNC for negligence in forcing CN Blue to perform the song without the proper paperwork. That part shouldn't even be Crying Nut's business. That people who have that right is actually CN Blue.

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  72. Guy. And he's known for that old-school-rocker hair.

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  73. I honestly don't think FNCE and CNB will want anything to do with Crying Nut honestly.

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  74. Again, both companies have come out stating that FNC & CNblue had no part in creating the dvd. They didn't pick the performances and didn't profit from them--only MNET who had already compensated Crying Nut. If Crying Nut wants to know who profits, they should be going after the companies since they're the ones that distribute the cash, not CNBlue.

    Aside from the fact that CNblue were not the ones that put that performance on the dvd, unless they EXPLICITLY said that they were playing the instruments themselves or that the song was their own, I doubt there is a law against miming a cover. Especially if they didn't profit off the song (i.e. releasing it as their own for $$ not performance fees)

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  75. Crying nut is suing the wrong person, they are taking the ride with Cnblue's ,popularity. Maybe they will release an album soon free publicity for them after all. shame on crying nuts! I used to like them but not anymore.

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  76. What mistake could CNBLUE have committed, it's the fault of their company ,exactly Hyung, but why Crying nut is suing CNBLUE? It's just show that CNBLUE is above them now so they are trying to push them down. Very bad ajussi!

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  77. Well, netizens even ignored wise words from sunbaenim who more senior than Crying Nuts and CNBLUE. What a behave. Everybody said seniority is important there. But look at now... If Crying Nuts ignore this sunbaenim, they will look more arogant actually. And netizens are biased since the thing is CNBLUE is not entirely at fault. :/

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  78. Again, whether or not they got money will come up in court. According to FNC's statement, the DVD was made and sold without their consent. In MNet's statement, they say that they were responsible for the DVD and admitted to using the track. It does not say whether or not FNC or CN Blue got any compensation afterwards, much like how Crying Nut asked MNet for compensation. If they didn't, then I wonder why FNC did not go after MNet despite the clear violation of CN Blue's copyright.

    Also, that "miming" is covered under copyright law. Believe it or not, the copyright holder does have a say in how they want their work represented by people licensing it. That's why in Crying Nut's statement, they state what they had allowed for CN Blue to do with their song. And considering that the lawsuit is underway, Crying Nut did not ok what CN Blue did

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  79. I think Crying Nut is going after CNBlue to make FNC/Mnet squirm. The public doesn't hold too favorable views towards the companies, so the lawsuit would just go under and be forgotten. By attacking the idols, the company's face and primary money maker, the lawsuit can apply more pressure on the companies because it will be seen by the public, and the company and the idols will suffer together. It is wrong that CNBlue has to get into the mix of all this; however, it is not Crying Nuts' problem, so why should they care?

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  80. Thing is that FNC for some time have had their own legal issues going on against Mnet for this very reason and for some time have asked the bands fan base to_ not_ buying said DVD as its unauthorized and unpaid for. It might all be part of some sinister conspiracy, but.......
    In theory you can be sued for playing just about every song published by a commercial record company the last 60 year or so in a public space. In practice the copyright owner have to show beyond reasonable doubt that the offender did it with a malicious agenda and profited significantly by it and himself suffered looses to have a valid case to present the court.

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  81. Yeah stick it to them Crying Nut. People gotta learn some how.

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  82. it was just an excuse to use the pun...

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  83. No!! LOL


    it's CNBlue + Crying Nut = C(rying).N(ut).Blue

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  84. dude, if you dunno anything, please just shut up

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