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Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Fans come out with "rebuttal evidence" against Changtoria "dating evidence"


Article: Victoria-Changmin's scandal still rages on, after "evidence" comes out, "rebuttal evidence" also released

Source: Sports Seoul via Nate

The "rebuttal evidence" are caps of Changmin saying his ideal women are Han Ga In and Kang Sora...

The part where he "supposedly knows Victoria's sleeping habits" was actually hinted to him by Yoo Jae Suk...

The picture that looked like he was holding hands with Victoria was actually just them passing by each other with a short greeting...

The "couple cell phone chain" is just a coincidence because the chain is a series of birthday chains that has a color for each month. Since they're both born in February, they will obviously have the same color chain.

The "taking the same plane" evidence is also false because the same plane was ridden by all of TVXQ, f(x), and other SM artists.

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1. [+425, -49] These fans sound like they're going to dig up private information about whoever these idols are going to marry.. So scary... Who cares if they're dating or not, what's it matter to us? ㅋㅋㅋ They're acting like they're their ex-girlfriends/ex-boyfriends ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

2. [+385, -140] I know this is random but I think Kyuhyun and Seohyun are dating too, maybe it'll come out soon

3. [+217, -39] If people hadn't forced the evidence in the first place, I'm sure this rebuttal evidence wouldn't have even been needed. Did journalists think fans would just shut up and take it once they started spreading false evidence? Of course they would squeeze out time to put together rebuttal evidence like this. Journalists, aren't you embarrassed of yourselves? I feel like your jobs are way too easy...

4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.

5. [+39, -20] What a bunch of idiots..... Do you guys have that much free time on your hands????

6. [+21, -19] They're both nobodies so the controversy's not even getting that much attention. Whether or not you guys are dating, it's all up to you ㅋ

7. [+20, -11] Don't care for either of them

8. [+18, -9] Look at the stupid fangirls trying to deflect attention by dragging Seohyun and Kyuhyun into this ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

9. [+16, -8] I think Tiffany and Nichkhun are 100% real

10. [+12, -4] Fangirls.... It's really not that important whether Victoria and Changmin are really dating or not... Since just because he isn't dating Victoria... doesn't mean he's going to date you guys, right?

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135 comments:

  1. NB please post netizens reactions of Lee Joon's first appearance in Iris 2.

    thanks
    http://news.nate.com/view/20130227n39008. I can't access your email box

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    1. Same here

      I want to know what knetizen says about my lee joon....

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  2. Funny how they talk about these fangirls being insane for looking evidence, but didn't they do exactly the same? Netizens....

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  3. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some
    weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it...
    Not that she's that pretty either.



    ....so relevant to the topic.

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  4. "The "rebuttal evidence" are caps of Changmin saying his ideal women are Han Ga In and Kang Sora..."


    I never understood why people use this as rebuttal evidence. Sometimes idols name certain people to gather interest, or they know is a safe choice. even if they do have some type of ideal type/crush, that doesn't mean they'll wind up dating that person.

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  5. I'm not a fan of Changmin or Victoria but I don't think they're dating, if they were dating they wouldn't show it where it is sure to be seen by fans and I personally think Changmin would be very careful while dating.

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  6. haha I hope you can't access my email box because that'd be hacking T_T I'll do an Iris 2 TV post after work tonight ^^

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  7. I comment like no other comment before because i'm first. hehe

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  8. from what's been said a good deal of k-fans knew about this but keep quiet. I'm not saying it's 100% true, but that does happen in alot of cases

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  9. Yeah, it reminds me when Yoona complained that she was always picked as "ideal type" because she was a safe choice since EVERYONE picked her lmao (it was a few years ago tho)
    On the other hand, Jonghyun from SHINee once said, in 2009 that his ideal type was Sekyung (along with another actress) and they dated one year later lol.

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  10. people will be tired of this soon

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  11. "4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either."


    She's a dancer, tho.

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  12. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.

    what's the point of this comment?

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  13. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.


    Just no...
    Doesn't have any skills?
    Lose some weight?

    Some knetizens are fucking idiots...

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  14. "Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either." seriously? .____. lose some weight?

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  15. I know I saw the same, makes me wonder who these 'fans' with the rebuttal really are.

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  16. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.

    Wow, fuck you tbh. I could rant about all the wrongs in this comment but it won't cure the mass stupidity often displayed by netizens, especially towards female idols.

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  17. hmmmm.....seokyu and khunfany... netizens ah, do ur job... lol.. ^^

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  18. Lol sorry I meant your email address or something like that. Wrong term used. Thanks :)

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  19. yeah, in some cases it'll happen when they are truly interested in one another. It reminds me though when the iu/eunhyuk scandal happened and there were these people confused about why she was "allegedly" with eunhyuk when she said taeyang was her ideal type

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  20. i think she has a healthy body, this person sounds jealous tbh
    and idk this phrase sounds wrong to me ; "She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it." like she deserves hate bc she has no skill? urgh am i wrong to think that the only peoples in the world who deserve to be hated are the person who hate uselessly on one another or criminals.....? /offtopic

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  21. Bless this post. I am sick and tired of Changtoria, Kyutoria, Khuntoria and Whatevertoria bickering with one another.

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  22. lol i feel like they are in denial for some reason.
    if it wasnt true, there's no need for this rebuttal evidence.


    and i cant believe number 4 got up votes.
    i think victoria is one of the most pretty idols out there.

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  23. some of they just like to say malicious things,without a solid reason. :|

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  24. I legit squealed in happiness when news of Jonghyun and Sekyung came out. I mean, seriously, how rare is it that a celeb is even linked to his/her ideal type?! Not to mention the fact that Sekyung was a total SHINee fan.

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  25. Then again why take in on Victoria? and insult her, why they get hate when in the 1st place they have to deal up with stupid rumors with dumb evidence a 3 year old could come up with. This has nothing to do with them having abilities or not besides if Victoria is part of f(x) and is the leader I bet there's a reason for it just netizens are plain stupid to see beyond their noses and hate everyone for the sake of hating sad and pointless life they have. No wonder why idols sometimes don't want to make it public when they are dating what for?

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  26. I am sorry for whoever did this, but it doesn't prove anything at all...
    Especially the part where he says who his ideal women are.
    I can go around and say my ideal men are Jung Jun Ha and Jung Hyun Don, does it have to be true?

    Flashnews: people lie to mislead others to protect their privacy in this industry. They really have too much time on their hand...

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  27. Somewhere in Seoul, Changmin is just rolling his eyes and judging everyone so hard at all of this.

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  28. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some
    weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it...
    Not that she's that pretty either.

    Typical crazy fangirl jealousy !!! LOL at you, She have all that you want to have even she can't sing well at least she's loved !!!

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  29. I thought that one was from a jelly fangirl tbh lol

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  30. It's not a random k-netizen, it's a crazy Changmin fan. Some of the crazies want to attack Victoria now because her SPOON ruined their fantasy of having Min as their boyfriend.

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  31. Its funny how these "sherolock's" have so much time.They dig up supposed "evidences" that they are dating and then dig u "evidences" that they are not dating.
    I feel that if somehow you motivate these ppl enough,they can even provide u evidences that santa claus is real. :)

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  32. "4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either."



    lol just the mentioning of losing some weight made this already irrelevant comment even more irrelevant.

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  33. where is the lie though. she's a fucking terrible singer and no one ever complains

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  34. This is going down the ridiculous route now. 3+ posts about the same thing? I didn't realize anyone cared this much about Changmin, especially since he hates attention.

    4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.



    What the heck?!! Wow stop. I don't know her well but she seems like a sweet girl. I really really hoped people wouldn't start bashing her just for being linked to Changmin when it's not even proven. Sigh.

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  35. 2. [+385, -140] I know this is random but I think Kyuhyun and Seohyun are dating too, maybe it'll come out soon.


    HOW ABOUT NO.

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  36. IKR lol Victoria with her 15 years of ballet, ethnic, contemporary, classic jazz dance training and intensive acrobatic skills, who won 1st place in contemporary dance genre and 2nd place in ethnic dance genre on the 2007 Beijing Dance Contest with her dance team, clearly doesn't have any skills... kekeke

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  37. They do realize that naming someone as your ideal doesn't mean you'd never consider dating someone else, right? Lol, if we all held out for only our ideal man or woman, there would be a lot of lonely people in the world.

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  38. in her pre-debut career, she was a professional dancer with 2 major awards. Not a singer but dancer. And she has that position in f(x). So she still doesn't have any skills?

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  39. 5. [+39, -20] What a bunch of
    idiots..... Do you guys have that
    much free time on your hands????


    lolssss...one question to him or her.. looks like you have free time to read this news...keke

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  40. I love how they missed out that Changmins ideal type is also Han Ye Seul (victoria looks like her) and someone who can cook.


    Anyways this is getting pathetic esp bashing Vic. Also bringing up khunfany isn't going to help. *le sigh*

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  41. well we figured out that netizens are idiots.

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  42. That has nothing to do with whether or not these two are dating, though. It's just hate. The comment is so irrational and off topic. Victoria is no where near fat and imo very skilled

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  43. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.

    Excuse me what? Okay, you trying being as flexible and copying the moves she does. And beauty is subjective. I think Victoria's GORGEOUS. Not my favorite in F(x), but goddamn that is one hating fangirl/netizen.

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  44. She has a perfect body, these netizens want a skeleton body

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  45. "They're both nobodies so the controversy's not even getting that much attention. Whether or not you guys are dating, it's all up to you"
    OUCH.

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  46. LOL~
    so all those who choose Yoona, Lee Hyori, Kim Tae Hee, Dara as their ideal types are not dating as well because they already have ideal types? Jealous fangirs are freaking funny. I actually think its good for SM to deny it until the end because some delusional Cassies might put a poison in Vic's water hahah.

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  47. lol her pre-debut career, her 'skills' are irrelevant to the group. like someone mentioned here before, she's not a great pop dancer and both krystal and luna execute f(x)'s choreos better than her. she's one of kpop's worst singers and no one says anything. yoona is also the face/actress and one of snsd's main dancers and she still gets a ton of hate for being vocally untalented. eh, the weight comment was ridiculous though, but you're not gonna change my mind about victoria's mediocrity as an idol.

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  48. don't let the TVXQ2 fans catch you, they are convinced their oppars are still the kings of Kpop, lol.

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  49. Yeah, Victoria hardly gets any hate and she's not even that pretty but prettier than Luna.

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  50. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.

    What a douchebag.. If someone told the same to that person's face he/she would go crying in a room for 2 weeks straight.

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  51. "" What a bunch of idiots..... Do you guys have that much free time on your hands????
    and the evidance that said they were dating wasnt a waste of time ?? double standard much?

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  52. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose
    some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for
    it... Not that she's that pretty either.



    LOSE WEIGHT? SRSLY.

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  53. Why you guys ruined netizens delusions... Let them imagining things XD

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  54. Why you guys ruined netizens delusions... Let them imagining things XD

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  55. The rebuttal is week but so is the evidence. Both changmin abd victoria are nice people so there's no need to bash either one of them.

    It will be nice if idols can date openly but it is also nice if they can live their lives in private if that is what they want. I'll be happier to know about things they want to share with fans rather than things they are forced to share.

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  56. who the fuck cares about her 'skills' as a singer or a dancer? is she somehow not suitable for changmin if she doesnt sing well? She's a nice person and she cooks, sounds perfect for Changmin.

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  57. prob some prejudiced sentiment out there because of the fact that she's chinese

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  58. "b-b-b-but oppa sells a lot of albums"

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  59. "They're both nobodies so the controversy's not even getting that much attention. "

    Victoria is a talentless idol and Chagmin deserves someone like Hyorin or Gain.

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  60. AND EATING POPCORN..MINFOOD IS THE REAL COUPLE AFTER ALL XD

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  61. THEY'RE THE LEGENDS OF K-POP..

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  62. this is getting ridiculous... why the hell the fans are taking all the trouble when nobody gives a shit... even if changmin is dating, he's doing nothing wrong, he's a 25 years old guy, let him date plz

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  63. lol so one comment made by a nugu netizen made you convinced they aren't? tsk tsk

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  64. Yea, WTF is up with that. She looks amazing. Having some curves is way better than looking like a trashy skeleton.


    Victoria FIGHTING!

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  65. "4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either."

    Sounds like a jealous little Cassie~~~~

    Everybody (well, mostly) knows Victoria did ballet.

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  66. 4. [+42, -24] Victoria should just practice her singing and lose some weight. She doesn't have any skills but never gets the hate for it... Not that she's that pretty either.

    This has got to be the stupidest comment i have ever read from a knetizen. Typical jealous fangirl. <.<

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  67. people just see what they want to see.

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  68. agree with working on her singing skills but big NO for losing weight!!
    and Nichkhun and Tiffany is a stupid shit!

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  69. exactly, LEGENDS as in the past.

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  70. please just because some fans are desperate to prove Oppa is still popular by bulk buying, doesn't prove their relevance. Ask a native Korean about TVXQ and they will talk about DBSK from the past. No hating them, they were big in the past. Their nutso fans make it hard to support them anymore.

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  71. Wow, look at those k-cassie comments. I almost forgot how vicious cassies can be

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  72. Have to agree with you on that one, Victoria is fine the way she is, plus her body is hot, and she's super flexible, she's probably a bomb in bed.

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  73. I just want them to let Kyuhyun in peace !
    Why are they bringing him into this ?
    Kyuhyun & Seohyun doesn't exist.
    Sometimes it really upsets me when couples shippers begin to mix their fanfictions with reality.
    Kyuhyun recently said he never dated since his debut and he repeatedly said he was not interested by celebrities.
    I want him to go out with the girl he will choose but i guess having crazy girls obsessed by a fictional relationship everytimes he talks to a girl must really disgusts him from having a celebrity as a girlfriend.
    Just imagine what will happen to his future girlfriend when these shippers will find out that he is dating someone normal and not their precious Seohyun...
    Kyuhyun i wish you to find your precious one but keep it a secret or else SeoKyu's shippers will kill her !

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  74. Fangirls in denial mode. lol

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  75. Finally someone with some sense !

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  76. Seems like the fangirls need to step it up if they want to present evidence like the netizens do. Although I'll concede that the spoon doesn't necessarily confirm that Changtoria are a couple, that "evidence" is a whole lot better (and logical) than all this rebuttal evidence. Since when does saying someone is your ideal type prove you're not dating someone else?

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  77. lol it's all because of the spoon.

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  78. I can see here are many biased Chinese people
    honestly , that comment is harsh but true. she has no skill.

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  79. she has no skill. just pretty face idol

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  80. Oh come on, compared to a lot of other idols she's hardly talentless....

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  81. "what's the point of this comment?"

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  82. Stop trying to generalize all tvxq fans you idiot.. I'm a tvxq fan and have been one for a long time, and all the Cassies I know, including me, know that they aren't at the top anymore.. idk why non-fans have to always shove that into Cassies faces though, no one will be at the top forever, and I'm just happy they at least had their reign. Idk about you but I like groups/artists not for their relevancy to the Korean public cuz I could care less about that but for their music/other appeals. And they're still doing relatively well considering the split and how long they've been in the industry for, so I'm just happy for them.

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  83. Stop with the bulk-buying shpeel, you people are so predictable..Just cuz they sell more albums than your faves, their fans are suddenly bulk-buying, if that's the case, all kpop fans bulk buy but the groups with the most fans come out on top..
    And why should their fans have anything to do with you supporting them? I like an artist/idol for who they are not b/c of their fans, but I guess not everyone does..

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  84. "Chagmin deserves someone like Hyorin or Gain."

    changmin* btw
    and DESERVE? just, smh.

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  85. i swear im not cassieFebruary 27, 2013 at 5:51 PM

    excuse me but seeing the new kpop group created those last few years, tvxq will forever be better than them and changmin and yunho have never been involved in big scandal about their private lives, they're exemplar.

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  86. Dam whoever caller Vic fat needs to get eyes checked

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  87. Chagmin looks like a mexican or south asian...

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  88. Changmin: Catch me if you wanna.....

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  89. Doesn't depend on us, though. So, which stan are you? Kyuhyun or Seohyun, or some other random shipping for the two?

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  90. Whoa, whoa, whoa. No need to imply that Seohyun is not worthy of Kyuhyun. Not a SeoKyu fan or anything, but don't you think you're generalizing a bit too much? Besides, it's not only Kyuhyun's "girlfriend" that's going to get hate, Seohyun's "boyfriend" will probably get hated too. Sorry if this post seems rude to you, but I still stand by my opinion.

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  91. YES. The spoon said Minnie was there for THE FOOD. (lol lame jk, I know)

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  92. But those "rebuttal evidences" are actually convincing. I don't know anymore. If Changmin's happy, I'm happy for him.

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  93. What about that spoon lol

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  94. I thought Victoria was the main dancer of the group .-.

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  95. Legends don't necessarily mean of the past. It just means their feats are worthy to be praised. Usain Bolt was dubbed a legend after his Olympic wins and he hasn't announced his retirement and still has a couple of Olympics he can do greater things at.

    Same with TVXQ. They were legends as 5 but now as 2, they have gone on to break the 5's records and preparing to do a Dome tour (something they only dreamed about as 5), even as an idol group of 9+ years!!!!! Who knows what else TVXQ will accomplish!


    Stop being such a hater and credit where credit is due.

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  96. Is that Yunho in your pic? As a Yunho fan, how can you even say they HAD their reign? So you are saying they were at the top when they were 5 but not now? Uh...They have BROKEN the 5's records and are preparing a Dome Tour, the first Kpop group to have that honor, something that was just a dream when they were 5. Are you keeping up with fandom news?

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  97. Well Victoria is not called "the Queen of China" for nothing :>

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  98. Ofc her pre-debut skils are relevant to the group because these skills made her a member of f(x) and a celebrity in kpop lol

    And who cares about your mind lmao It doesn't change the fact Victoria is the best OVERALL dancer in f(x) and one of the best overall dance talents in SM. Luna is a better hip hop executer because she is more familiar with it. Still, she is a step behind Vic in terms of overall dance skills. Watch f(x)'s dance practice videos.

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  99. Oh and I just notice that stupid pressed fan logic of you... "My bias always gets hated so why your bias must not be hated too?" Is that it? Ok, so you were pressed jealous fan girl.

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  100. precisely. some bitter/jealous people also claimed their good japanese sales are a result of bulk buying. i have to laugh at that.

    do they even know how much a bloody japanese CD cost? an album cost 5400yen, cheapest edition is at least 2900yen. it's hard to bulk-buy japanese CDs when they arent cheap.

    tohoshinki has enough fans to keep their sales consistent without bulk buying.

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  101. yup, they may not be on top but they are still top 3. they are doing really well as a duo, both in korea and japan. But it`s predictable disparagers would ignore facts like sales figures, concert turnouts, records, awards, etc and use blanket statements to downplay their achievements since 2011.

    They are doing well, very much respected, and anyone, fan or not, who is objective can see that.

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  102. he gorgeous and skinny but she really has no skills at all

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  103. I thought Korean don't take shipping things seriously, but their comments looks otherwise..
    Yonghwa/Shinhye, Kim Soohyun/Suzy, Khun/Tiffany, Changmin/Vic, Taeyeon/Leeteuk, Seohyun/Kyuhyun ._.

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  104. Victoria is not over exposed, over promoted like Yoona. No one calls her "nations goddess" or "nations first love" bla bla bla If she is underpromoted, underexposed why she should get a hate like Yoona who is over promoted and overexposed?

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  105. Like people who think they are dating, can't I just think that they are not? without being a shipper or anything.

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  106. As someone who is Mexican, let me be the one to tell you that he doesn't look Mexican.

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  107. u sound like pressed yoona fan or something xD

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  108. In that one photo up there he looks kind of mexican. don't you see it? or a mix of mexican and korean

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  109. I love how delulu fangirls disliked your comment... Typical reaction from jealous bitches

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  110. Agree with you, I'm from México and my mom and friends say he looks like a Mexican :D

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  111. has no skills? she was scouted because of her dance ability fyi

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  112. It's probably just a pressed changmin fangirl.

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  113. When did i say she was not worthy ? O.O
    I just said SeoKyu shippers will be mad.
    I'm not a Sone but i don't hate her either.
    You're right it's the same for Seohyun but most of SeoKyu shippers are Sones not ELFs.
    But don't worry you were not rude ^^

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  114. Dude did you just said those aint skills or talent? And seems like you are mixing things up.
    Skill, talent a person possess /= the way a company manages it.

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  115. lol no girl, you need to take your stan glasses off. i'm not saying the girl isn't skilled, i'm saying her skills don't really contribute much to the group. she's a dancer, but does she ever get mentioned as one of kpop's best dancers? hardly ever. as a dancer, victoria doesn't get attention because she simply does not stand out in her group, let alone the entire industry. tao does his own kung fu stuff, it's a skill, a very impressive one but irrelevant to the actual group.

    and i mentioned yoona because she was a great example of a person that is actually good at other things but gets a ton of hate for not being a good singer, not because i'm mad she gets hate like what. i'm not saying i want victoria to get hated but i do think it's ridic that she's one of the worst singers in the industry and no one ever calls her out, yet people like sunhwa get called out for being bad singers? ffs.

    + not related to your comment - this has nothing to do with her possible relationship with changim, as long as they like each other and they're happy, i do not care lmao.

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  116. I am not a girl, I am oppar lol It's not me but you who need some common sense. As someone here has said, "Skill, talent a person possess /= the way a company manages it". You are being confused between SM's way of promoting Vic individually and actual dance talent/skill/experience she has. Anybody with common sense will realize that she is superb dancer. SM had multiple choice of promoting her, dance and looks. But they chose the cheapest way - looks. They save money and make more money promoting her looks. It's SM's strategy. But does that mean she has no skills? Clear and obvious "No". If those achievements and great stage experience she had as a pro dancer, are not what we understand as "skill/talent" then what they are? Bull shit? False info? LOL Skill is skill no matter how your manager use it because it always comes with you. If your manager can't use your skills, it's your manager lacks of skills, not you. And what is ironic is that, Victoria was spotted by SM agents right during the dance festival and offered an audition. And I dunno what you see or watch, but when I see f(x) dance practice videos such as Gangsta Boy, Disturbia, La Cha Ta etc, it's clearly obvious her dance movements are on a different level. And when I read you saying Krystal > Victoria in terms of dance, I can't help but amaze by the ignorance or simple lack of fair judgement lol

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  117. As a man Changmin deserves best wife material. Unfortunately, Vic is one of the best waifu materials out there muhahaha And a talented dancer also.

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  118. In other news, congratz f(x) for winning Best Electronic Song award at the Korean Music Awards! Hell yeah!

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  119. That's fine. You're basically neutral, but I get the feeling someone neutral wouldn't really care whether they date or not.

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  120. Sorry about that, but the way you phrased your sentence sounds like you don't think Seohyun is worthy. I'm not very good at internet tones, but based on my surroundings, I assumed you meant to talk about Seohyun in a bad way. Also, most Sones are YongSeo shippers, so they probably won't care.

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  121. [+385, -140] I know this is random but I think Kyuhyun and Seohyun are dating too, maybe it'll come out soon.

    So random, I think it was pretty obvious in Radio Star that they AREN'T dating, it's like.. common sense.

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  122. I care though, not only seokyu, but changtoria or khunfany. Put aside if I'm their fans or shipper or not, it's gossip! it's just fun lol.

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  123. lol~ calm down butthurt fangirl~

    we wouldnt know what actually happen between both of them , look like u know everything here . lol

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  124. they're both nothing, so nobody cares, holy shit, excuse me? nothing Vicky in china really popular

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  125. lol if its I-fans are the one who ship and said like that about both of them , no one should take this things as a serious things BUT the one who said this thing is come from k-net which is the one who live there and can easily stalk and know what things really happen there . XD
    u should not trust 100% about what idol said in variety show . poor u

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  126. Oh my god Number 9 came true

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  127. 10. [+12, -4] Fangirls.... It's really not that important whether Victoria and Changmin are really dating or not... Since just because he isn't dating Victoria... doesn't mean he's going to date you guys, right?

    A warning for all of us fangirls, that they won't live with us forever. Every single fanwar you did, every single thing you do to make your oppars look better than another oppars won't affect your future. They will only be happy if you buy their albums and go to their concerts. Not invading their private life or making some useless wars. All they want are your money and your smile.

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  128. This is about a year later, but #9, you were right.

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