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Friday, March 8, 2013

Editor calls netizens out on their bullshit, netizens deny everything


Article: [Jang Woo Chul Column] How we deal with the celebrities we hate

Source: Jang Woo Chul Column via Naver

Editorial by a GQ Korea editor that talks about how the public/netizens don't really care at all about what the celebrity is really about or the truth about whatever scandal they're in because they're so preoccupied with the image/notion they've set for them and how nothing can change that. Once they target them as someone they hate, nothing can change their minds otherwise.

He mentions that popularity (with fangirls) is ultimately a weapon of power for celebrities and uses Yoo Seung Jun as an example, saying that fans who would normally defend other celebrities in other crimes never leave comments like, "Shut up, our oppa has no crime!" on his articles, leaving him basically helpless and in the situation he's in now.

Park Shi Hoo is also mentioned as an example of the public/netizens not really caring at all about the truth of the scandal but just about the opportunity for another hate session. He points out their hypocrisy, noting that they 'ended his career' the minute the scandal broke out only to turn around and 'call him handsome' the day he turned up for investigations and new pictures came out.

"The truth of the article or the intent of the journalist is never the issue. As long as they are unanimous in their hate for a celebrity, the game is already over. This is the world of our public."

At the same time, he acknowledges the power they have over them as celebrities ultimately rely on them for their careers since they are the consumers of their product.

He also talks about the sheep mentality behind the public in that people never become 'haters' of a certain celebrity just because they don't like them, they become haters by seeing other people hate them and following suit.

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1. [+732, -49] People who hate T-ara all have the same reason

2. [+591, -62] This is bullsh*t

3. [+443, -59] Talk about trying to act like a scholar ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Just because you're an editor, you think you're above the public and the celebrities, like you're somehow standing above us all and looking down at us fools? You're the ones scavenging for any gossip about celebrities like dirty hyenas

4. [+430, -52] It's a good thing this is a column editorial because this is absolutely and entirely your own personal opinion

5. [+191, -9] It's really interesting to me how journalists and editors always act as if they're outside the realm of the public/public sentiment. They act like we're all so pathetic because they're above us all when they're the ones that sit, copy, paste, write a few words, and call something an article that is only meant to stir up the public and also represent public opinion at the same time.

6. [+150, -4] The relationship between the public and celebrities is quite ironic. It doesn't matter how much the public hates them because they'll always be richer and live lavish lives... but at the same time, their entire career is over once the public decides it's over.

7. [+108, -11] The journalist is trying too hard to make himself sound smart by sticking in random examples... but the entire point of his article is that he basically hates the public for hating on celebrities.

8. [+73, -7] I think the public is pretty unanimous with T-ara ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

9. [+38, -2] Celebrities exist to sell their images as a product to the public so the public has every right to judge them however they choose. Celebrities who get hated on just sold the wrong product.

10. [+38, -2] Looks like I won't be reading this column anymore.

11. [+36, -2] His point about popularity being the ultimate weapon is right.

12. [+25, -1] If people don't like someone, they should just stop caring about them. I'm not saying put them down but don't invest yourself so emotionally into their affairs. If they get hurt, just leave it at "Oh, they got hurt." Don't start saying crap like, "Wow, I always hated that b*tch, she was always so cocky, this is great, she deserves it!"

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105 comments:

  1. But, judging by neitzenbuzz's description, the editorial seems spot on really

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  2. So the minute a journalist criticizes netizens instead of feeding off of their rumors or baiting them by posting scandalous but unfounded information, netizens get upset. But then when journalism continues to take a nosedive, they want to complain about how shady and unethical journalists are? They're so far gone in that sheep mentality of theirs that they don't even see the blatant hypocrisy behind their statements.

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  3. The netizen reaction is amusing because there were no concrete examples to disagree with the article so, instead, they just discredited the journalist's credentials and considered it an attack and/or a personal opinion.


    Journalist is dead on accurate and they know it.

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  4. "people never become 'haters' of a certain celebrity just because they don't like them, they become haters by seeing other people hate them and following suit."

    what I get often by reading NB's comments section.
    koreaboo.

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  5. I liked that part as well. It's like people are so damn afraid to have their opinion.

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  6. Aw netizens are offended because it's so true ~

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  7. Heh even in the comments of such an article netizens hivemind and prove the writer's point. The truth hurts~

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  8. Truth hurst. I'm not surprised at all seeing comments saying that this article is bullshit and the journalist is bias.

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  9. haha and it's understandable somehow, I remember when I used to defend IU when the whole scandal started people would call me "stupid bitch" and crap (I'm glad intl-netizen started defending her later on tho)

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  10. [+25, -1] If people don't like someone, they should just stop caring
    about them. I'm not saying put them down but don't invest yourself so
    emotionally into their affairs. If they get hurt, just leave it at "Oh,
    they got hurt." Don't start saying crap like, "Wow, I always hated that
    b*tch, she was always so cocky, this is great, she deserves it!"

    worded exactly how i have been thinking.

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  11. International netizens are just as bad in the sheep mentality but at least there is slightly more room for opposing opinions.

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  12. Blame journalist & don't want to admit their stupidity. Netizens style. To knetizens -> grape is sour.

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  13. LOL It's 100% ttrue

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  14. I want to read his article fully, it seems like a very honest piece.

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  15. It's like how people thumb you down for not liking a song and saying that "obviously you have bad taste 1!!111!!!" I feel like a lot of it has to do with some of the fans still being young though so I it's not something I can necessarily despise them for.

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  16. Butthurt netizens are butthurt

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  17. I think the fans are the koreaboos. You fawn and fap at any asian related/ kpop thing that comes your way
    i see your ignorant comments all over akp,youtube,forums. when people call you out on your nonsense this is what you do.

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  18. Sometimes I wonder what would happen in NetizenBuzz took the top comments from here and made a similar blog on Nate or something for all the Koreans to see...


    It would be entertaining to say the least, peaceful - mehh don't think so but entertaining.

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  19. That journalist is so right and it hurts them to see someone just tell it like it is. Netizens like to dish it out, but can't take it.

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  20. I'm gonna be honest here. I'm just like any other k-netizen. My opinion of idols change with every other article that comes out. It's not until recently I've decided that being neutral is more fucking easier.

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  21. 4. [+430, -52] It's a good thing this is a column editorial because this is absolutely and entirely your own personal opinion



    o. It's the opinion from about everyone else but you, crappy netizens.

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  22. I would so love to see that.

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  23. LOL But the journalist is right. Even here in international forums. It's the same way.


    I think they're just upset because he/she called them out.

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  24. You can easily tell when the comments are written by fangirls because they will always try to direct their hate to females/girl groups. This article has nothing to do with T-ara so why are they so obsessed with them? Are they still upset that their online message board rants are doing nothing to bring T-ara down? They need to take a look in the mirror because their hypocrisy is overwhelming...

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  25. lol... Pressed netizens are pressed.
    What the editor wrote was mostly true though.
    These netizens were so quick to judge when a scandal broke.

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  26. i fell sorry for neitzen like sesang .They both need psychiatric attention and tons of f$T%ing counselling .

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  27. All the things that the editor said is true. Even if a scandal is just a rumor or have to be weighed in court these netizens already has their judgements and nothing can change that even if the celebrity was found not guilty. lol at netizens take your own doze of medicine!!!

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  28. I like the last comment....
    if you dislike someone you just can stop caring about them, ignore them.... but instead they just love to add on or stated how hated they are and have a bunch of people that agreeing with them... /sigh
    i wonder if there's netizen comment that agreeing on this editorial NB?
    but I guess if there is, probably already got a lot of thumbs down...

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  29. FOUR FOR YOU, JANG WOO CHUL. FOUR FOR YOU.

    And none for netizens, bye.

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  30. It would cause mass chaos and then they would say that if we don't like what they say we should bud out of Korean media. And then they would say that our opinion is irrelevant because we are nothing but ugly, cheap and ignorant Americans.
    TBH.

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  31. The truth hurts. And in their case mostly on the butt.

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  32. Then you would need someone to translate these NB's English comments to Korean again... As you know even if you know both languages, still translating is just a job that takes lot of times then people think.. Very rarely, that happens in comments translating website.. I've seen the post once contains NB's comments that's been translated to Korean in a certain website.. That place usually treats translated foreign comments just like netizenbuzz(for Koreans)... They don't usually post comments reacted by translated comments, but only comments reacted by just plain article.. It was rare post..

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  33. 9. [+38, -2] Celebrities exist to sell their images as a product to the public so the public has every right to judge them however they choose. Celebrities who get hated on just sold the wrong product.



    Good analogy, but every once in a while we need people to call us out on our bullshit to keep us grounded The truth hurts, but it also helps you grow :)

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  34. As much as i agree with the editor, i dont see this can go any better. isnt this is what idol is all about? being recognized and judged by the public (like politics). Idols make a scene, media post gossips, public judge. what more do you expect? and this shit happen everywhere. truth? nobody care about the truth..when the shit blows up, there's only winning and losing. now that is the truth...

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  35. The only comments that were constructive were

    9. [+38, -2] Celebrities exist to sell their images as a product to the public so the public has every right to judge them however they choose. Celebrities who get hated on just sold the wrong product.

    and

    11. [+36, -2] His point about popularity being the ultimate weapon is right.



    the rest was just whining about everything - proving the author just right.

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  36. Or other netizens would chastise other netizens. Korea is hyperaware of image, and they don't want to be seen as homophobic, racist, xenophobic etc. It's happened before where Korean netizens apologize for the behavior of Korean-Americans because they don't want Koreans to be seen by foreigners in a bad light. There's two possibilities to their reaction, I think it would be interesting to see as well.

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  37. There is actually a website like that. They take comments from international fans and translate them and post them on this one website. I remember seeing that some of the comments from Hallyu8 have been translated and posted on there

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  38. They're accurate about the people who comment here too because everyone agreed with the K-Netizens about Park Shi Hoo being a disgusting asshole when the first article was posted.

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  39. Newsflash, you're also one of the sheep.

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  40. They're the one who always criticizing, but don't want to be criticized.

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  41. They're so butt hurt.

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  42. The reporters has very good points but so do the netizens. I feel like they're both to blame for all this nastiness. It's a shame that it's so much easier for some to be mean & negative & hateful than being nice & giving love

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  43. Yeah, but I'm talking about NB though....

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  44. eh they might already do...or not....

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  45. lol Do I really sound like a person who'd just blindly follow and believe whatever tripe the majority may say or do?

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  46. 9. [+38, -2] Celebrities exist to sell their images as a product to the public so the public has every right to judge them however they choose. Celebrities who get hated on just sold the wrong product.



    THIS

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  47. Way to go mr/mrs Editor:-D,for me u r just spot on:-P.n well those netizen will be just as their usual ndtizen:-/

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  48. idk i always see people sometimes trying to start fights with you for no reason

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  49. Wait what? I feel slightly more self conscious now.

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  50. netizen comments reflect the view of the general public while journalist article reflects one person view, i think i would rather trust the netizens

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  51. So if there was a site that translated the comments of the translated comments, would it be called Netizenception?

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  52. 12. [+25, -1] If people don't like someone, they should just stop caring
    about them. I'm not saying put them down but don't invest yourself so
    emotionally into their affairs. If they get hurt, just leave it at "Oh,
    they got hurt." Don't start saying crap like, "Wow, I always hated that
    b*tch, she was always so cocky, this is great, she deserves it!"

    #12 has got it right...seriously...never understood why people hated on celebs...it's not like your hate will stop them from doing what they do. Ridiculously overused saying but...haters gonna hate.

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  53. i know right , i remember when knetizens thought T-ara was over .....lol now they are back on their feet ...knetizens are mad because they couldn't destroy them ....

    PS: for anybody that doesn't know T-ara, the real reason that T-ara survived the scandal is that their international fandbase is waaaaaaaaaay bigger than theirs korean's 10% or less in korea 90% Internationally .

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  54. i think there's a difference between "not liking someone (i.e. hating)" and "not caring about someone."


    i think not liking someone inherently says you have thoughts about that person; that if you dig into your brain, there is a location about that person with information about said person (whether good, bad, meaningless, etc...).



    whereas not caring about someone might mean that within your brain, you just have the mere knowledge of their presence (assuming you've somehow been acquainted with them: either knowing or knowing of said person), but no other thoughts or considerations.



    and we could probably look at the psychology of why we don't like someone versus why we don't care about someone. as in, what triggers which response in us. i suppose not liking someone would have a deeper meaning (function, perhaps) within ourselves as to why we even have any thoughts about that person.



    for instance, maybe the reason why i dislike richard gere (for the most part at least) is because the first movie i was introduced to him with was one in which i perceived (and was perhaps also told by adults) that he was a dirty loosey goosey sort of man. And i was raised in such a way to keep a distance from such people (as in...don't eff them unless you know what they've done kind of thing..kind of).
    i digress

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  55. ...that would be like taking Yahoo comments and interpreting them as general public opinion when it most definitely does not.

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  56. Of course they would deny it, lol.

    Props to the editor. Maybe if more people started calling their shit out they'll stop being obnoxiously awful people who feel safe because they're anonymous in the internet.

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  57. This is how I visualize Knetizen's thoughts on scandal's, rumors and things:

    Person A is walking down the street. Just yesterday this person had a talk with a friend on a scandal that was famous. Person A sided with the unpopular opinion. Going with that they belived. The person Person A was talking with told others what A thought. Soon others gathered near A and asked A to repeat what had said the day before. A told his thoughts and what made him beleive that with good backing. But everyone else kicked, yelled and degraded A until A was forced to say what they wanted to hear so A could live in peace.

    That is how Knetizens and most Inetizens get to these 'unanimous' descions. Not even hearing both sides of an arguement. The fans pick a side and destroy every arguing side while making their side more vocal.
    And I am honestly sick of seeing T-ARA dragged into articles that don't involve them. The worst they did was publicly lecture a member of their group. I have seen male idols do worse than that and their scandals some how become almost mute two months later. It's 2013, time to leave this scandal behind us.

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  58. They'd be the ignorant ones because it's not only Americans that use this site.

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  59. kpopwillneverstopMarch 8, 2013 at 4:13 PM

    "[+443, -59] Talk about trying to act like a scholar ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ Just because you're an editor, you think you're above the public and the celebrities, like you're somehow standing above us all and looking down at us fools? You're the ones scavenging for any gossip about celebrities like dirty hyenas"

    They may be scavenging for gossip like dirty hyenas, but at least they're not the ones leaving comments, knowing that celebrities do look up the articles and read the comments, on the sole intent of destroying these celebrities.

    Reading things like this reminds me of what Brave Brother said about his friend reading anti-comments about some celebrity just because they were funny to him.

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  60. Before NetizenBuzz existed, Koreans were translating comments from allkpop & youtube to get a gauge of the International thoughts on Pann Nate. Basically Netizenbuzz is reverse of that.

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  61. There is too much of a herd mentality, you see the same thing in American media. Read the comments on TMZ and even CNN.

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  62. thank you for your thoughtful insights, but idgaf tbh. didnt even read the whole thing.

    these people, knetizens, hate on these celebs on baseless rumors that pop up in the comment sections. there is an idol that still gets hate for a rumor that one knet said/posted on the internet, but low and behold, the truth comes out and the rumor becomes false. but does the hate die down? no. why? cause everyone likes to believe the rumor is true and go on their hate parade. and they do like to base their opinion on what the mass thinks.


    so yes, i think it's fucking stupid to spend time on people that you don't and spread the hate. ignore and forget about them. but then again the majority of the world's population can't think this way anymore.

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  63. "Comments on this blog do not represent the majority opinion of Koreans
    and should not be taken as an example of Korean sentiment on any of the
    topics presented." That's not my words, it's on the sidebar courtesy of NB. ----->

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  64. The editor got it in one. He only made one mistake - overestimating the netizen's power. The netizens only have power because record labels, publishing companies etc stupidly hand it to them by always reacting. They should just ignore and let their usual actions run their course.

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  65. Maybe that's because I don't always say what people agree with and I stand by what I say, even if the majority feels differently (unless I'm proven wrong, that is)?

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  66. "He mentions that popularity (with fangirls) is ultimately a weapon of power for celebrities"



    ROFL!! >D So you believe Park Shin Hoo raped the lying amateur with her inconsistent proof

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  67. It's true what editor says, all those witch hunts are prove of that. Netizens like to act as the prosecutor, judge, and jury.... And sometimes they don't have actual evidence.

    That is why I learn to wait when a scandal breaks out cause truth takes a while to come out.

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  68. ^ yep, all the feminazi bitches were so quick to jump on an innocent man who was a VICTIM of a false rape allegation. Feminazis go fuck yourselfs

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  69. agreed....k netizens really disgusted me along with many akp commenters...and many of persons here also..."OH FK PSH IM ON THIS GIRLS SIDE JAIL THAT BASTARD"....

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  70. Godwin's law.


    You just compared feminists to nazis, yeah your point is invalid you disgusting piece of shit. Do you even know what nazis are you preschooler. You're comparing massmurders to a group of people fighting for their rights.
    #staybitterbasementdweller

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  71. aren't you edgy trying to start random internet fights with people. You're a part of the problem.

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  72. Agreed.Comparing a murderous group, to a group of women who go stand for what they believe in. It is a very odd comparison, and a not so positive one.

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  73. go back to reddit, you asshole. It's a place where so many of you assholes congregate.

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  74. im confused withe the first comment. are they trying to be mean or

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  75. THE ONLY logical comment amongst those was the last one lmao

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  76. But I'm saying NB though. It's a far less biased standpoint than ALLKPOP. Though it has its immature moments, there is generally room for opinions here that would be flagged down immediately at AKP

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  77. This is not the point about whether Park Shi Hoo was innocent or not. People being humans will speculate and bet on either side of the camp anyway.


    My issue is that your so-called 'feminazis' are arguing about justice for actual rape victims NOT getting the support they deserve under korean law AND generally the fact that they don't come out because masochist assholes think it's okay to slut shame victims who do come out, and the idea that it's okay to take away a girl's pride via rape.


    Your equating 'feminazis' to a single case where it hasn't yet been concluded proves that you also have ahead of time jumped to conclusion that you believe this man is innocent before all this started, hence your almost gleeful 'see told you I was right' tone. Take your betting table away, stop calling out people who are defending social injustice and mistake them for people who have time to interest you in the your 50/50 guessing game.

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  78. I guess it's something they would have to be accountable for. To have a positive image, they have to really start reflecting what they've been posting, as a whole. What I've noticed is inconsistency. They do sound very much more polite when discussing foreign topics, stars (with the exception of politically sensitive stuff), but revert to biased viewpoints when talking about their own.

    I understand that the korean government unleashed this new concept of 'polite commenting', but like most things that involve behavioural change - it requires the individuals to first want to change for the better.


    Koreans aren't lacking wit - as shown in their culturally-hilarious LOL pann posts, and I hope they would eventually channel their energy into these 'smart humour' as opposed to insulting one-liners. I still believe koreans are mostly a good bunch. :)

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  79. Love how netizens are now being the ones told to reflect on themselves -- and they don't want to. Hah! If you can't practice what you preach...

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  80. In the first article, there were still posts about how everyone needs to calm down and wait for real evidence.

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  81. Oh, the trial is over? I thought it hadn't started.

    Making yourself believe that women have a problem with you will NOT solve YOUR problems with them. It's you.

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  82. I'm surprised he didn't mention Tajinyo at all but mentioned more recent examples. Tajinyo is basically the most embarrassing case since keyboard warriors joined in like it was a game.

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  83. feminazis is a term that describes extreme feminist, it's not a comaprison

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  84. Normally it s netizen that analyse situation regarding celebrity...now jounalist attempt to do on them....look how they react... ?

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  85. I want more editors to call out some netizen behavior tbh.

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  86. .~: Pretty Plastic Boom :~.March 9, 2013 at 1:06 PM

    Preach Mr.Editor, preach! K-slutzens NEED to be called out. They must have SEVERAL seats. These sluts are so pathetic they are denying the truth that this man is saying! They are just too butthurt the handle him slaying them keke. K-slutizens are always the first ones talking about "how ugly someone is" or that "they need some cosmetic surgery or skin lightening" when THEIR asses are the MAIN ones in need of a good skin lightening regimen/some good cosmetic surgery from Dr.Kwon. SMH these useless, talentless hoes always takling crap sitting behind their old, stale Samsung monitors pecking their silly ass, flop hatred away...oh wait...they aren't ENTIRELY talentless..they do have one talent.....aka flop hating...keke

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  87. Minus all the curse words you have a point...it seems like the immature netizens have nothing else to do but hate. I am sure the ones who are old enough to leave them be would not comment in that manner.

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  88. I know it is getting really old...

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  89. you tell 'em EDITOR-NIM!! k.netizens spend days,weeks, even months telling X or Y they need to reflect in every single article that celeb is mentioned but when someone actually calls them out and has valid points to tell them to reflect then they say its ALL bullshit and get in DENIAL mode...! hypocrites!!

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  90. Do you remember the site? I would love to see that. What is the response to the comments that have been translated normally?

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  91. The website is: http://gasengi.com

    I don't know how to navigate the website though.

    But here's a thread on hallyu8 that's an example: http://hallyu8.com/topic/35046-looks-like-you-crazy-bitches-got-translated-again/

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  92. "12. [+25, -1] If people don't like someone, they should just stop caring about them. I'm not saying put them down but don't invest yourself so emotionally into their affairs. If they get hurt, just leave it at "Oh, they got hurt." Don't start saying crap like, "Wow, I always hated that b*tch, she was always so cocky, this is great, she deserves it!"


    Hurry! Let's put media play to good use and vote this up! (jk)

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  93. That's what T-ara haters think...

    Once in a while Its good to see such rational & wise commenrs

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  94. "people never become 'haters' of a certain celebrity just because they
    don't like them, they become haters by seeing other people hate them and
    following suit."

    K-netizen mass hysteria!

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  96. Truthfully, the only image that come to mind when I read those horrible netizen comments like the ones above are disgusting people with no lives hiding behind a computer and grinning evilly as they write the most hurtful things ever to strangers who just happened to be vulnerable at the time.

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